Are they all waiting for TMUD?  If so, we won't be seeing cranes for a while.

 xx

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

Rocket Mortgage? Did l miss that or just forget? What is that development?

 

Bedrock considers Tower City Riverview TMUD project

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/01/23/bedrock-considers-tower-city-riverview-tmud-project/

 

 

1 hour ago, Chazz Michael Michaels said:

I'm hoping you are hinting at a forthcoming article?

 

 

I've already done an article along those lines....

 

Seven proposed office towers in Cleveland? Yep, seven.

https://neo-trans.blog/2021/03/25/seven-proposed-office-towers-in-cleveland-yep-seven/

 

But I may do another. I started writing a response to the article below, but it really deserves an article of its own.

 

57 minutes ago, skiwest said:

Are they all waiting for TMUD?  If so, we won't be seeing cranes for a while.

 

When a project receives a TMUD from the state, it's going to free up capital from lenders who have been waiting in the wings to fund these projects. So when they get notified by the state, I expect those projects to move forward pretty quickly. The big issue will be if projects win a credit that's smaller than the one they've requested.

4 hours ago, Geowizical said:

Per request of @MayDay: A View Down Superior Ave.

Updated model renderings coming soon...

 

Looks like my lunch breaks just got a lot more interesting 😁 @Geowizicalthank you again! 👍

Redirecting from SWHQ thread since things seem to be getting slightly off-topic IMO, I thought I'd post this here and hopefully we don't have to talk about the "which skyline is better" topic on that thread any more lol...

 

Below is a N,S,E,W view of the 3Cs (yes, I have a Cbus and Cincy model as well, although there isn't much to update on either of those skylines lol). Each of the three views in each image are sized correctly to each other for accurate comparison. I put in a vertical 1000ft line that is the same size across all views for reference. Also please note the Cbus model is missing a few very low-level buildings (nothing substantial though) because I haven't gotten around to it yet. I've definitely invested the most in my CLE model of course but I still often compare the three nonetheless, although I think each of the three skylines has its own unique merits. (I'm biased towards CLE just so everyone is aware 🙃).

 

 

Looking North

 

 

 

Looking South

 

 

Looking East

Looking West

 

 

 

Edited July 28, 20213 yr by Geowizical

Very cool comparison.

This thread bout to explode

 

Just now, YO to the CLE said:

This thread bout to explode

 

 

One can hope that we can discuss this comparison from a mature and scholarly perspective. I'll try to start.....  🧐  Cleveland's skyline appears to be spread out more but with some taller buildings. It doesn't have the concentration of towers that Columbus and Cincinnati have. But, like anything else, it all depends on what your perspective is.

Looking east and west shows how much of an impact SW will have on the skyline and the increased density around Public Square. Looking from the north and south is misleading because the TT is consumed by Key.

 

Well done!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Thank you Geowizical!

The Cleveland model is missing Beacon. Otherwise it's a cool comparison. Each has at least one angle that looks nicer than the others.

Thank you for this Geowizical! It really highlights how Cincinnati's downtown is more compact due to the unique geography of the Ohio River, Mt. Adams, and I-75 constraining the surface area for skyscrapers. Therefore, the grouping of the buildings looks "better" because there are fewer possible gaps.

 

Really excited to see Cleveland's skyline change over the next decade. I think the difference in density will be dramatic.

7 minutes ago, Mendo said:

The Cleveland model is missing Beacon. Otherwise it's a cool comparison. Each has at least one angle that looks nicer than the others.

No.... it's definitely in there 😆

Anyways, I do very much agree - each skyline has that one beauty angle that stands out from the rest.

Yes, Beacon is only big enough to be visible in the west view.

4 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

No.... it's definitely in there 😆

Anyways, I do very much agree - each skyline has that one beauty angle that stands out from the rest.

 

Ah you're right! It's directly in line with the 5/3rd building. If you stand just a bit east, Beacon and TT fill in the gaps a little better.

Geowizical, thanks for doing these, they are great.  I wish I had the tools and skills that you do at my disposal.  What would really make an interesting exercise in comparison would be if the individual buildings were interchangeable between the skylines.  As an illustration, what would it look like if you dropped Key Tower for instance in Columbus?  I’m thinking that would demonstrate how Cleveland has a much bigger base of mid-rise buildings in the CBD that don’t even show up because they are hidden by the 400 plus footers.  Think about the gargantuan street presence of the 925 for example, yet it doesn’t even register in these views.

Edited July 28, 20213 yr by JohnSummit

1 hour ago, Geowizical said:

No.... it's definitely in there 😆

Anyways, I do very much agree - each skyline has that one beauty angle that stands out from the rest.

Right, I think Cleveland looks best looking northwest, as I've said plenty of times. Lol.

Probably most of you have seen it - but for anyone who has not, there’s a great view of downtown looking southeast, on the homepage of
www.Clevelandskyscrapers.com. That particular shot gives a much more modern perspective of the city and will be further enhanced by the SW tower. 
 

The big wild card out there still is whether Nucleus returns, possibly in a single, mixed use tower,  with some of the swag and height of the original proposal  If that ever materialized, Cleveland could rather quickly get that additional 5 or 600 footer we crave and that could  move the needle to Cleveland clearly having the most impressive  skyline among the big 3 Ohio cities.  But, of course, that’s still just my wishful thinking. 
 

@Geowizical, one thing’s for sure-  we forum readers  absolutely love your visualizations - extremely entertaining! Thanks again. 
 

 

I'm very curious what Detroit looks like in comparison... I've heard from multiple different people that Detroit has bigger buildings than Cleveland even though I point out that Cleveland has 3 of the top 4 in terms of height. I think it's moreso that our height drops off very fast but Detroit has more density in the 400-500 ft range. I'll take a bunch of "shorter" buildings that fill in the empty lots over a couple tall buildings any day.

 

Girth not length people!

1 hour ago, dastler said:

I'm very curious what Detroit looks like in comparison... I've heard from multiple different people that Detroit has bigger buildings than Cleveland even though I point out that Cleveland has 3 of the top 4 in terms of height. I think it's moreso that our height drops off very fast but Detroit has more density in the 400-500 ft range. I'll take a bunch of "shorter" buildings that fill in the empty lots over a couple tall buildings any day.

 

Girth not length people!

 

Don't have a Detroit model personally.... but a quick look on Google Earth and you will see that Detroit has a lot of contrast in comparison to all of the 3Cs - lots of ~400ft-500ft skyscrapers right next to seas of empty parking spaces. We complain here in Cleveland about parking spaces, but I'd wager Detroit has twice as many, if not more. 

4 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

 

Don't have a Detroit model personally.... but a quick look on Google Earth and you will see that Detroit has a lot of contrast in comparison to all of the 3Cs - lots of ~400ft-500ft skyscrapers right next to seas of empty parking spaces. We complain here in Cleveland about parking spaces, but I'd wager Detroit has twice as many, if not more. 

And the Renaissance center complex accounts for most of their 500+ Towers, all clustered near the river by themselves.

Detroit also has 36 buildings above 300', Cleveland only has 23. Here's building heights above 300' plotted out two different ways:

 

 

 

I'm pretty amazed at how spread out Cbus is. We talk about Cleveland looking spread out, but wow look at them from east and west.

They included Children's Hospital which is debatable as to whether it should be included in the Columbus skyline since it is quite a ways from the next closest tall buildings and the buildings are really not that tall as you can see on the far right in the "South" pic. If you added the OSU Hospital-East tower and the grain silos it would be even wilder.

Would it be justified to include University Circle in the skyline?

11 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

They included Children's Hospital which is debatable as to whether it should be included in the Columbus skyline since it is quite a ways from the next closest tall buildings and the buildings are really not that tall as you can see on the far right in the "South" pic. If you added the OSU Hospital-East tower and the grain silos it would be even wilder.

Any chance of updating Columbus to include Hilton 2.0 Tower and North Market Tower, and maybe even Harmony Tower?

Edited July 29, 20213 yr by Gnoraa

47 minutes ago, dski44 said:

Would it be justified to include University Circle in the skyline?

 

I think since UC has no buildings over 300 just yet there's no reason to include it in the main skyline, but that could change someday. I'll take a look and see if it's worth it.

1 hour ago, Gnoraa said:

Any chance of updating Columbus to include Hilton 2.0 Tower and North Market Tower, and maybe even Harmony Tower?

 

Strong chance, just not anytime soon haha. I also wouldn't probably post that in the Cleveland thread whenever that does happen.

19 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

 

I think since UC has no buildings over 300 just yet there's no reason to include it in the main skyline, but that could change someday. I'll take a look and see if it's worth it.

 

I agree with this as there is big gap from the innerbelt to the clinic. But what about one that shows only E. 86 to E. 123 or so---so Cleveland Clinic--University Circle--Little Italy?

7 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

I agree with this as there is big gap from the innerbelt to the clinic. But what about one that shows only E. 86 to E. 123 or so---so Cleveland Clinic--University Circle--Little Italy?

Give me a sec to reach into my bag and pull out the UC model...

Not much detail to see here folks, lol

 

Just existing in the void...

Edited July 29, 20213 yr by Geowizical

In all seriousness though, here's the UC model in it's current state - Artisan looking hella nice I might add 😎 Idk if official numbers were posted but this one might actually get close to 300?!

Edited July 29, 20213 yr by Geowizical

8 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

In all seriousness though, here's the UC model in it's current state - Artisan looking hella nice I might add 😎 Idk if official numbers were posted but this one might actually get close to 300?!

 

Cool, thank you! Excellent work, as always! Is that the view from the north, looking south?

On 7/28/2021 at 10:12 AM, Geowizical said:

I'm biased towards CLE just so everyone is aware 🙃

 

How dare you. Columbus is clearly better!

 

Seriously though, I love the comparison. Not to sound too cliche, but I think each city's skyline has excellent and unique features and I think it's a waste of time to try to figure out who's is "best". It's even more pointless to argue that right now as each city seems to be entering into another mini highrise/midrise boom. Cleveland has built a few 300'+ buildings in the past few years, and has a 600' on the way. Columbus has a couple 350'+ buildings currently under construction with another on the way, and is finally starting to fill in some gaps with quite a few 10-15 story midrises. Cincinnati has added quite a few midrises as well which has continued to fill out its already dense skyline. 

 

So I think we should all just appreciate what each skyline has to offer and how much they seem to be improving currently. 

 

14 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

I'm pretty amazed at how spread out Cbus is. We talk about Cleveland looking spread out, but wow look at them from east and west.

 

Most of the tall buildings here in Columbus are located on one of two streets, High (running N-S) or Broad (running E-W). Only one of the ten tallest buildings (456' AEP HQ) is located somewhere other than Broad or High. Of the top 15 buildings, only 3 buildings are located elsewhere - AEP HQ, Capitol Square (350'), and Continental Center (348'). Even most of the taller buildings under construction, approved, and proposed are located along one of those streets. Hilton 2.0, a 361' tower, is currently being built along High Street. Market Tower, planned to be around 350', will be built on the other side of High from Hilton 2.0. Harmony tower, a planned 350-400' tower, would be built along High as well. A 15-story 185' tower was just proposed a block south of Harmony Tower on High. The Franklin County Courthouse is going to build a new building on High soon that will likely be fairly tall. 

 

So yea, when you build all your tall buildings on just two different streets, your skyline really gets stretched out lol. 

2 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Cool, thank you! Excellent work, as always! Is that the view from the north, looking south?

Indeed!

16 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

Not much detail to see here folks, lol

 

Just existing in the void...

 

11 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

In all seriousness though, here's the UC model in it's current state - Artisan looking hella nice I might add 😎 Idk if official numbers were posted but this one might actually get close to 300?!

 

Would you be able to do something similar for OSU and Columbus? It would also be cool to see UC and Cincy, but it might be difficult to view downtown and UC together given the sizeable elevation change between the two.

3 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

I think we should all just appreciate what each skyline has to offer and how much they seem to be improving currently. 

 

Couldn't agree more - I spend about half of the year in Cleveland and half the year in Columbus, so I get to see everything that's happening in both downtowns and all of the development spurring off of streets like Euclid (CLE) and High (CBUS). Very exciting times indeed

2 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

Would you be able to do something similar for OSU and Columbus? It would also be cool to see UC and Cincy, but it might be difficult to view downtown and UC together given the sizeable elevation change between the two.

 

I could try, but apart from Wexner and then Lincoln and Morrill Tower, idk how much there would be to look at... I'll think about it haha

1 hour ago, Geowizical said:

In all seriousness though, here's the UC model in it's current state - Artisan looking hella nice I might add 😎 Idk if official numbers were posted but this one might actually get close to 300?!

 

 

  

2 hours ago, Geowizical said:

Not much detail to see here folks, lol

 

Just existing in the void...

 

Nice,  the only thing missing is that 22 story at East 55th, but I assume that would be part of a "Midtown" detail.

2 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

 

Nice,  the only thing missing is that 22 story at East 55th, but I assume that would be part of a "Midtown" detail.

 

Wait, what??

^The Wilson Tower at E. 55th/Chester, technically in Hough.

 

I always forget that building. Imagine if a couple more were added in that area. Might look impressive and activate the street scene better.

I always think of the cover art for Led Zeppelin IV when I see that building.

35 minutes ago, KJP said:

I always forget that building. Imagine if a couple more were added in that area. Might look impressive and activate the street scene better.

Imagine if or imagine when?

47 minutes ago, X said:

I always think of the cover art for Led Zeppelin IV when I see that building.

 

Haha! Similarly, it makes me think of Divis Flats in Belfast, the epicenter of the Troubles in the 1970s

49 minutes ago, scg80 said:

Imagine if or imagine when?

 

If....sorry, I keep forgetting I have to be careful with my choice of words! 🙂

Has anyone done one of these with all of proposed/cancelled towers in the skyline?

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Has anyone done one of these with all of proposed/cancelled towers in the skyline?

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Yes great call. And where was that Progressive tower supposed to be? What is there now?


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13 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said:

And where was that Progressive tower supposed to be? What is there now?

North of Mall C.  Rail lines and Amshack station are there now.

 

Edited September 14, 20213 yr by LibertyBlvd

2 hours ago, Canes8301 said:

Has anyone done one of these with all of proposed/cancelled towers in the skyline?

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There's one from a couple of years ago but it's a little outdated.... I would gladly throw one together from the sketchup model given all of the new things planned/proposed but I could only do it if given a master list of like EVERY project, which is a pretty big ask IMO unless someone is really dedicated haha

Here's a start.

https://www.clevelandskyscrapers.com/unbuilt-cleveland-skyscrapers

 

Ferrari Tower

 

Courthouse Plaza

Edited September 14, 20213 yr by Firenze98