5 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

The top of that AmeriTrust tower was rather unsightly. I'm glad it was never built.  

Beats the boring tops of most buildings......SW for example.

I thought the Progressive tower was planned for closer to the Rock Hall? Maybe Lakeside?


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15 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

I thought the Progressive tower was planned for closer to the Rock Hall? Maybe Lakeside?


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It was planned for northwest of City Hall (shorter structure on lower right) and I believe would have straddled the railroad tracks.

 

52 minutes ago, MayDay said:

@Mov2OhioAre these what you're referring to?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, it was more like this: with building names coming out of either the bottom or the top.

 

Thanks for those though!

 

 

2 minutes ago, MayDay said:

It was planned for northwest of City Hall (shorter structure on lower right) and I believe would have straddled the railroad tracks.

That was also the location for the proposed Hexatron stadium.

3 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

 

 

No, it was more like this: with building names coming out of either the bottom or the top.

 

Thanks for those though!

 

 

 

I have (or had) that and know exactly what you're talking about ... it was also on a calendar at some point. I also seem to remember that some of the scales of the different buildings seemed weirdly off, like they played with the perspective a bit. Let me dig and see if I can find it.
 

This site has some skyline posters.  Maybe it was one of them.

 

https://www.collectors.com/historical-item/cleveland-ohio-skyline-shaping-the-vision-1996-poster-print/-9149506017410470045

12 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

This site has some skyline posters.  Maybe it was one of them.

 

https://www.collectors.com/historical-item/cleveland-ohio-skyline-shaping-the-vision-1996-poster-print/-9149506017410470045

 

Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about! The "shaping the vision" one. I just looked and don't think I have mine any more. 😕

19 minutes ago, Paul in Cleveland said:

 

Yes, that is exactly what I was talking about! The "shaping the vision" one. I just looked and don't think I have mine any more. 😕

I'm 99% sure I have that book - only problem is digging through the other 3,251 Cleveland books I have 😆

Here are four random old projects I did find while looking; some of you may be amused. 

 

The hotel looked nice. The Harbor vision is interesting, although a bit cluttered with all those buildings east of E 9th.   

2 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Does anyone remember this photo called "Cleveland 1996 skyline?" 

 

My grandparents had a large poster board sized image of this I assume they got from some councilman or something in the early 90s. It had a black background and in white was the skyline and all the new proposed buildings (Key, fifth Third, Ameritrust, Progressive, Tower City Phase II) along with existing buildings. 

 

Anyone remember that?

 

I think I got this at an estate sale several years ago.

I knew that rendering was by Fleischman! How do I know? Look at what I found from this book (specifically the illustration):

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the Golden Resources (cringe) rendering, the building to the immediate left of Key Tower is I believe from a proposal for an office tower called convention plaza which was to be adjacent to the convention center.  Does anyone remember that?  Was supposed to be about 40 stories IIRC.

@JohnSummitBut wait - there's more! (Fleischman Book):

 

 

 

 

And from the Gateway: Blueprint for the future book:

 

 

Thanks for bring back so many memories. Never ceases to amaze me how many projects never even get publicized, let alone get built. Lots of work for no return.

 

BTW, which one was supposed to the Golden Resources building?

6 minutes ago, KJP said:

Thanks for bring back so many memories. Never ceases to amaze me how many projects never even get publicized, let alone get built. Lots of work for no return.

 

BTW, which one was supposed to the Golden Resources building?

 

There's some artistic liberty taken but this view (from the west) shows just about where Convention Plaza would be:

 

1 hour ago, JohnSummit said:

 

I think I got this at an estate sale several years ago.

That's it!!! Thanks!!

Since we're a city of many bridges, historic and all... Wasn't there a plan to showcase our bascule and lift bridges with dynamic lighting in years past? I feel if we did they would truly become part of the nighttime skyline. Is there a rendering or can anyone with photoshop mastery that can possibly render something of the sort?

look for some pictures from 1996

3 hours ago, tastybunns said:

Since we're a city of many bridges, historic and all... Wasn't there a plan to showcase our bascule and lift bridges with dynamic lighting in years past? I feel if we did they would truly become part of the nighttime skyline. Is there a rendering or can anyone with photoshop mastery that can possibly render something of the sort?

I sometimes forget that you young whippersnappers weren't around for the Bicentennial and the 2 years or so after while the bridge lighting was still maintained... 

 

I will say that the technology has come a long way since 96.   An investment in LED's would last a LOT longer than those old incandescent fixtures did 25 years ago. 

Here you go.

Thank you, Watertiger1962 for your post.

This view is just as stunning now as it was in 1996 when, as a young art director, I took a client from Ford corporate out to dinner at a very popular restaurant called The Watermark in the location where Collision Bend Brewery sits today. I was bursting with pride as my client went on and on about how much farther along Cleveland was ahead of Detroit it”s redevelopment. 
Thousands of tourists marveled at the beauty of the lighted bridges-and they would again if the city chose again to light the bridges.

Thanks again for the memories:

That's what l've been talking about. Light the damn bridges! It can't be that hard or expensive with today's lighting technology. 

 

C'mon Mayor Bibb. I know you have a lot on your plate and you're just getting started but you can delegate this to someone. It just needs a champion to drive it. You know, someone besides me who actually has some power to make things happen.

50 minutes ago, cadmen said:

That's what l've been talking about. Light the damn bridges! It can't be that hard or expensive with today's lighting technology. 

 

C'mon Mayor Bibb. I know you have a lot on your plate and you're just getting started but you can delegate this to someone. It just needs a champion to drive it. You know, someone besides me who actually has some power to make things happen.

 

 

The neglect of the bridge lighting has been lamented quite a bit over the years on this site.    It's clear that some of Cleveland's best and most unique attributes have fallen by the wayside for the past 16 years.

 

I already get that Bibb would be open and onboard to getting these bridges relit, but he may have bigger fish to fry initially.   A plan really needs to be spearheaded by a group and adopted by one of the non-profits for funding and execution.  I know for a fact that at least a couple of local Foundations would support such an effort.  It just needs a group to champion it. 

 

Edited January 9, 20223 yr by willyboy

What happened to Flats Oxbow group? Does it still exist?

 

Edited January 9, 20223 yr by LibertyBlvd

As a counterpoint to the light the bridges argument, sure it would be pretty, but it would also add a totally unnecessary source of light pollution, along with being a pure waste of energy.

 

I don't think either of these things are huge issues in and of themselves, but how much extra harm should we be willing to do the planet and local animal populace in exchange for something purely aesthetic? Put another way, how much should we be willing to sacrifice for the local and global environment, and is aesthetic lighting one of those things?

 

(Not to even mention sleep quality and potential mental health benefits).

37 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

What happened to Flats Oxbow group? Does it still exist?

 

 

Sadly no.   It was shut down nearly 10 years ago.  In typical Cleveland fashion the folks running Oxbow couldn't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. 

 

Since its shutdown the executive director Tom Newman passed away while waiting to be sentenced for embezzlement.   

On 1/9/2022 at 1:00 PM, Ethan said:

"...along with being a pure waste of energy."

 

"Not to even mention sleep quality and potential mental health benefits."

Hi @Ethan,   I respect your feelings and perspective on this.  Energy balances are always tricky things.   One could argue that collectively the servers and computer devices necessary to run this website are far from negligible in power consumption.  LED lightening is comparatively efficient to running a server farm with all of the built-in redundancies.  Perhaps, the colored lighting would not add as much light pollution or harm to the native animals and insects as incandescent or sodium vapor lighting.   Also, the joy of seeing a beautiful outline of a few bridges may add to the populaces collective mental health.   #silverlingings.  😊 

Edited January 10, 20223 yr by DO_Summers
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22 minutes ago, willyboy said:

 

Sadly no.   It was shut down nearly 10 years ago.  In typical Cleveland fashion the folks running Oxbow couldn't keep their hands out of the cookie jar. 

 

Since its shutdown the executive director Tom Newman passed away while waiting to be sentenced for embezzlement.   

 

However a new organization called Flats Forward Inc. has taken its place and is under the umbrella of the Downtown Cleveland Alliance. Jim Haviland is the executive director. He was previously the director of Midtown Cleveland Inc.

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

However a new organization called Flats Forward Inc. has taken its place and is under the umbrella of the Downtown Cleveland Alliance. Jim Haviland is the executive director. He was previously the director of Midtown Cleveland Inc.

 

Yes indeed.  Also, Landstudio may be good to talk to about this.  I know their mission has evolved over the years and I'm never quite sure what their focus is at any given time.  I will check with my neighbor who as on their board.

I know at one time they would have been all over this and may have even been responsible for the initial project under whatever name they would have had at that time.      

 

The topic of energy waste is complicated. Count me a tree hugging Democrat but life is more complex than simple labels. I'm a proponent of electric vehicles but in order to power the batteries we must mine the earth often in fragile rainforests. So on one hand we're trying to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels but we're destroying part of the ecosystem to do it. That's a complicated situation. 

 

I want to see wind farms in Lake Erie but if built they will kill migrating birds. I love to see the skyline lit up but those lights kill hundreds of thousands of birds every year across the country. Light pollution disrupts animal life worldwide. Noise pollution in the oceans disorient fish. What are the answers to those problems? What ever they are they will be complicated and lead to losses somehow in some way. When it comes to energy powering modern societies there is no free lunch.

 

Active cities, full of life are wasteful and polluting things. Economic activity across the board is wasteful. But lack of economic activity is also harmful.

 

If you follow the problems with the supply chain one thing is glaring. My god does the modern world create stuff that often is very quickly disposed of in landfills or the oceans or ends up polluting the atmosphere. How to limit waste without limiting economic activity is a question l can't answer but one way or another our kids and grandkids will have to. 

 

So yeah, back on topic, l want to see our bridges lit up. Is the environmental cost worth it? I don't know but it is a debate well intentioned people need to have.

REF: Bedrock-HBSE Megaproject

 

Enjoy these finessed renders of the Bedrock-portion of the megaproject! A fix of modern glass stylings mimicking RoMoFiHo combined with nods to intricate brickwork seem appropriate in this location, imo, and on-brand for a modern sports entertainment and residential complex - including some nice LED displays for vibrancy. This was quite the fun one to work on - and thanks again @KJP for the opportunity!

*Please note: Logos and references to real-world organizations are used for conceptual purposes only and are not for monetary gain*

41 minutes ago, Geowizical said:

REF: Bedrock-HBSE Megaproject

 

Enjoy these finessed renders of the Bedrock-portion of the megaproject! A fix of modern glass stylings mimicking RoMoFiHo combined with nods to intricate brickwork seem appropriate in this location, imo, and on-brand for a modern sports entertainment and residential complex - including some nice LED displays for vibrancy. This was quite the fun one to work on - and thanks again @KJP for the opportunity!

*Please note: Logos and references to real-world organizations are used for conceptual purposes only and are not for monetary gain*

Great job as always! Out of curiosity, is the plaza at E 4th and Prospect based on any preliminary rumors or just artistic license?

34 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Great job as always! Out of curiosity, is the plaza at E 4th and Prospect based on any preliminary rumors or just artistic license?

Artistic license 😅

@Geowizicallove it!  When you get a chance could you show the skyline with SHW tower and a 500-600ft Bedrock tower?

27 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

@Geowizicallove it!  When you get a chance could you show the skyline with SHW tower and a 500-600ft Bedrock tower?

 

I would encourage you to show a 500ft office tower and a 300ft residential/hotel tower on the Bedrock site. Maybe bump up the HBSE residential building to about 300ft as well.

3 minutes ago, KJP said:

I would encourage you to show a 500ft office tower and a 300ft residential/hotel tower on the Bedrock site.

Wasn't that pretty close to the original program of that project that's now dead to all of us and shall not be named?  Anyway I would love to see something of that size built.  Like everyone else has said, it's all the more exciting given the players behind this.  This seems like it could really happen.

I do not like this site layout

 

4 minutes ago, ogibbigo said:

I do not like this site layout

 

The site layout, massing, and finishes are entirely speculation, as stated in the illustrations and in the article. We do not know what for any of those will actually be proposed. 

I believe the first  picture was taken in 2011 and the second was a future of current and proposed buildings for the 2020’s.

It would be cool to see a current updated visual to the 2011 picture and an updated 2020’s planned and proposed future picture.

Btw- this view looking north from Lake Erie and the view looking north from the 490 bridge have always been my favorite.

Here's a couple submissions for a SHW massing (or new Bedrock/old NuCLEus site)..

 

 

And more SHW Centric: 

 

^Nice submissions - I’ll see what I can do!

Enjoy! Thanks @GISguyfor the pics!

Threw in a little Bedrock Site treat into the first one just for fun... 😎

^Don't mind the incomplete parking garage facing here, as that may be subject to change^

Edited February 3, 20223 yr by Geowizical

^Cool. Thank you. For the taller Bedrock bldg, how many stories/feet were you assuming?

Maybe someone can add  SW to this one :)

^Is that an accurate image (Scranton Peninsula notwithstanding)? It seems stretched vertically.

19 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^Cool. Thank you. For the taller Bedrock bldg, how many stories/feet were you assuming?

Gosh I can't remember exactly off the top of my head, but I think the office twr in the rendering is about 550ft, 36/37 stories ish.

Check with KJP's reporting tho for more accurate predictions (an oxymoron i reckon lol)

Edited February 3, 20223 yr by Geowizical

@freethinki'll see once more what I can do haha