August 25, 2024Aug 25 We love the visualizations, @Geowizical! So I was staring at @Mayday’s post the other day which showed the photo below and I just thought - I’d love to see this view of downtown with the stadium removed - since that appears to be a real possibility… Any chance to see such a rendering?
August 26, 2024Aug 26 Author On 8/24/2024 at 10:07 PM, CleveFan said: So I was staring at @Mayday’s post the other day which showed the photo below and I just thought - I’d love to see this view of downtown with the stadium removed - since that appears to be a real possibility… Any chance to see such a rendering? Absolutely - when I get closer to final renders I'll make sure to include versions with and without a future lakefront stadium, and come up with some alternative options like housing or parks to fill the stadium location.
October 19, 2024Oct 19 Author Just thought I'd post a quick updated rendering or two with the stadium out* of the picture. The model still looks a little bare but progress is happening slowly! Since last update here's what I've accomplished: Alignment and top deck of the land bridge is complete - underside to be completed next. It took a while to calculate all the funky slopes but I think I got it down close to exact and now I have a good understanding of how this is gonna look in the future. If you have questions about the bridge specifics I think I can provide answers/estimates lol. (PS: to anyone concerned about the size of the bridge from the renderings, the walkable width of this thing is very much over-engineered for the capacity it will be seeing, including if the stadium is now out of the picture. Simple napkin math told be it will be able to hold 8 times as much capacity as the BP pedestrian bridge going over the busy Columbus Dr in Chicago, connecting two very-busy parks. TLDR; it can hold a heck ton of people.) Reconfigured GLSC drop off circle and connection to land bridge Wetlands boardwalks and beach on the water's edge Grassy areas and building foundations temporarily laid out (green and white shapes respectively) near the existing stadium location Boulevard and dedicated bike paths completed Fully custom-made 3D model of City Hall (see second picture bottom left) Skyline view without the stadium, obviously missing a few buildings still! Also working on getting the SWHQ and Hilton clad with glass so they're no longer white, and windows added to the GLSC. The amount of usable space offered up by a demolished stadium is huge, about equal-to-twice as much land as the proposed park surrounding it. A lot of residential buildings here would be a decently-sized neighborhood of its own. The perimeter road around the existing stadium is left in to show this area, but could be reconfigured if the stadium is gone. @MayDay I might use your photo to photoshop in the proposed lakefront once I have some more of the proposed buildings completed! Edited October 19, 2024Oct 19 by Geowizical
October 19, 2024Oct 19 Wow. Seeing how massive the area is with the stadium removed gets your attention. That is one big blank space. I wonder how many years it will take to fill it. It's a little scary.
October 19, 2024Oct 19 4 minutes ago, cadmen said: Wow. Seeing how massive the area is with the stadium removed gets your attention. That is one big blank space. I wonder how many years it will take to fill it. It's a little scary. Would love to see a European style neighborhood built there with narrow alleyways. This would also dissipate some of the cold wind impacts off the lake in the winter. Parking could be put underground in the hole left over by the stadium. Look at some of the former industrial waterfronts that have been redeveloped into neighborhoods in northern European cities like Oslo, Stockholm, Copenhagen, and Hamburg for examples.
October 19, 2024Oct 19 Very nice, @Geowizical. Would you also be able to put a building or two at the West 3rd side of the stadium site that are both approximately the same height as the stadium? Point is, I'm trying to get a sense of what's possible height-wise (feet high and, from that info, stories high), Technically, that could also be done at the east end of the stadium site as well, since the stadium is already there and FAA somehow manages not to have an aneurysm. But they'd have less of a reason to freak out if the stadium-high buildings were farther from Burke. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 2024Oct 19 4 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: Makes me think that the land bridge might not be as urgent now. I think it's even more urgent. Without it, there's less of a instigator to repurpose the stadium. Private capital often follows public capital. And any large-scale year-round uses built could generate more visits than the paltry 600,000 to 650,000 visits the stadium generates each year. Prior to expansion, the Rock Hall generates more than 600,000 visits per year. The Great Lakes Science Center gets 300,000 visits per year. The Mather Steamship Museum gets 30,000 visits per year. A modest expectation is to gain five apartment buildings with 150 units each or 750 total apartments. Downtown Cleveland averages 1.75 persons per household (per DCI). That represents about 1,300 new residents. If each of those persons comes and goes from their home just once a day, that's 474,500 people traveling to and from the lakefront per year (almost as much traffic as what the stadium generates). Add in a 100-200 room hotel, a bunch of lakefront events on the newly repurposed land north of the stadium, a multimodal transportation center and you've more than made up for the stadium but without having to provide tens of thousands of parking spaces to handle a few huge crush crowds a year. I will gladly take this. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 2024Oct 19 I agree. The landbridge is the most important addition right now. It's the lynchpin/foundation for all that folliws and what will make access to the lake possible
October 19, 2024Oct 19 7 minutes ago, B767PILOT said: Wasnt there talk of a new cruise ship terminal building at one point? Yes, and there's another use! We're already getting the cruise ships without the terminal. We might get more with one, or even a regular ferry to Canada. A decade ago when I was with All Aboard Ohio, I lobbied Interlake Steamship and even went to Canada to promote the idea for a high-speed ferry to Port Stanley or to Erieau to meet a high-speed train to Toronto via London. The trip time would be at least 30 minutes faster than driving (and faster if there was a backup at the border or heavy traffic on the QEW into Toronto). In Interlake's opinion, the high-speed ferry would likely require a subsidy but we never sat down and figured out how much. To me, I think it would be worth it. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 19, 2024Oct 19 22 hours ago, B767PILOT said: I agree. The landbridge is the most important addition right now. It's the lynchpin/foundation for all that folliws and what will make access to the lake possible I suppose it depends on how quickly the area is developed. We know new development in Cleveland happens at a snail's pace. There were surface parking lots in the Warehouse District for 30+ years until SHW started building. Any lakefront development will be competing with Bedrock's riverfront development. And there is a glut of vacant office space that needs to be filled. Edited October 20, 2024Oct 20 by LibertyBlvd
October 19, 2024Oct 19 6 hours ago, Geowizical said: Just thought I'd post a quick updated rendering or two with the stadium out* of the picture. The model still looks a little bare but progress is happening slowly! Since last update here's what I've accomplished: Alignment and top deck of the land bridge is complete - underside to be completed next. It took a while to calculate all the funky slopes but I think I got it down close to exact and now I have a good understanding of how this is gonna look in the future. If you have questions about the bridge specifics I think I can provide answers/estimates lol. (PS: to anyone concerned about the size of the bridge from the renderings, the walkable width of this thing is very much over-engineered for the capacity it will be seeing, including if the stadium is now out of the picture. Simple napkin math told be it will be able to hold 8 times as much capacity as the BP pedestrian bridge going over the busy Columbus Dr in Chicago, connecting two very-busy parks. TLDR; it can hold a heck ton of people.) Reconfigured GLSC drop off circle and connection to land bridge Wetlands boardwalks and beach on the water's edge Grassy areas and building foundations temporarily laid out (green and white shapes respectively) near the existing stadium location Boulevard and dedicated bike paths completed Fully custom-made 3D model of City Hall (see second picture bottom left) Skyline view without the stadium, obviously missing a few buildings still! Also working on getting the SWHQ and Hilton clad with glass so they're no longer white, and windows added to the GLSC. The amount of usable space offered up by a demolished stadium is huge, about equal-to-twice as much land as the proposed park surrounding it. A lot of residential buildings here would be a decently-sized neighborhood of its own. The perimeter road around the existing stadium is left in to show this area, but could be reconfigured if the stadium is gone. @MayDay I might use your photo to photoshop in the proposed lakefront once I have some more of the proposed buildings completed! Amazing visual of the potential. btw - isn't the Jame Corner Field Operations Group still working on the overall plan. I can't wait to see what they propose with the news of the apparent Brown departure now even more certain. I saw Cleveland extended their contract earlier this year to offer options if the Browns depart (maybe Bibb knew as early as April it was happening and was only awaiting Jimmy's word on Burke as an option).
October 20, 2024Oct 20 How's this for a"random visualization"? Currently in the process of building an accurate model of Cleveland in Cities Skylines using a map overlay, topographic data, and infinite money. Can't expand city limits any further, so the map stretches from about W 53rd to E 105th, and just past Union to the south. Fitting highway, street, transit and freight infrastructure within the limits of the game is proving cumbersome, but I've come up with some workarounds that should suffice. The goal is to build out a base model that I can use to test out different ideas and play around with the simulated traffic, zoning, and taxes. With some custom assets and graphics this could also be a cool way to visualize future buildings and projects. Honestly just started this when I got bored this summer, but I'll be working on it on and off. I might try and find a way to share the save file if anyone wants to mess around with it themselves.
October 20, 2024Oct 20 Major props for doing that in Cities Skylines, I was trying to do the same to just have fun building out a "dream" Cleveland, but I could never get the scale right. I was also trying in 2, so maybe that was part of the issue?
October 20, 2024Oct 20 1 hour ago, CLEeng said: Major props for doing that in Cities Skylines, I was trying to do the same to just have fun building out a "dream" Cleveland, but I could never get the scale right. I was also trying in 2, so maybe that was part of the issue? Yeah there are more mods out for the first game, it helps a lot. Edited October 20, 2024Oct 20 by sonisharri
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