If the project across from the jail gets legs and add a second tower on SW block....

 

17 hours ago, Geowizical said:

With @MayDayand @CleveFan's blessings 🤞:

 

 

In some of the SHW renderings, it looked like the angled parapets were NOT filled in. From this angle the one on the left would appear hollow and you might even see rooftop mechanicals. Does anyone know if the final rendering had some type of roof/cover on the parapets so that the building would look better from the air and from angles like this?

 

Also, fantastic work @Geowizical and quality request @CleveFan .  Great photo as always, @MayDay

 

Furthermore, this is yet another angle that confirms moving the tower a block off Public Square was the correct decision from a skyline perspective. The PS building should have been more substantial, but I’m glad the tower itself is a bit further off the Square. 

The upper part appears to be hollow 

 

Of course I've seen the other photos of what the building is going to look like but this one seems very different to me. From the side it looks sort of like a cookie with 3 distinct parts. In all the other renditions the sides looked solid. Is it just me or did it always look like that? Maybe my powers of observation are failing. I knew about the notch near the bottom front and back but this side view looks different.

 

Oh well. For what its worth I like this version even better. 

Will there be a "notch" on the other side also?

2 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

In some of the SHW renderings, it looked like the angled parapets were NOT filled in. From this angle the one on the left would appear hollow and you might even see rooftop mechanicals. Does anyone know if the final rendering had some type of roof/cover on the parapets so that the building would look better from the air and from angles like this?

 

Also, fantastic work @Geowizical and quality request @CleveFan .  Great photo as always, @MayDay

 

Furthermore, this is yet another angle that confirms moving the tower a block off Public Square was the correct decision from a skyline perspective. The PS building should have been more substantial, but I’m glad the tower itself is a bit further off the Square. 

 

Wonder if that open top was ever questioned by design review - seems like it would look much better from the air with a complete rooftop. 

46 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

 

 

I was looking all over for that axiometric view. Thanks!

Some of the largest design issues (e.g., open roof, two story (un)welcome center,  pedestrian walkways ) never seem to be in play.  Its always minor things such as rainbow color plantings that take up the committee's oxygen. 

 

But hey, they are finally putting in a skyscraper. So for that we are happy.

43 minutes ago, DO_Summers said:

Some of the largest design issues (e.g., open roof, two story (un)welcome center,  pedestrian walkways ) never seem to be in play.  Its always minor things such as rainbow color plantings that take up the committee's oxygen. 

 

But hey, they are finally putting in a skyscraper. So for that we are happy.

 

I very much agree with this.  The design review committee is always concerning itself with the lipstick but taking the pig as a given.

2 hours ago, cadmen said:

Of course I've seen the other photos of what the building is going to look like but this one seems very different to me. From the side it looks sort of like a cookie with 3 distinct parts. In all the other renditions the sides looked solid. Is it just me or did it always look like that? Maybe my powers of observation are failing. I knew about the notch near the bottom front and back but this side view looks different.

 

Oh well. For what its worth I like this version even better. 

From the north and south it has always had the full vertical indentation breaking up the massing, making it look like a cookie / sandwich. 

11 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Wonder if that open top was ever questioned by design review - seems like it would look much better from the air with a complete rooftop. 

 

Honestly, you have to be fairly far from the tower, as the Lake rendering shows to actually see the hollowness behind the angled tops. And at a distance like that ot will probably just look like a shadow. 

 

That's not to say things like that shouldn't be addressed on other buildings where that is a concern (there are plenty of 3 or 4 story buildings built with no screenwalls around the RTUs that leaves them visible), but given the height of the building, degree of the slant and the fact the slant is partially covered, I don't think it will be a huge issue with SWHQ.

so did you hear about that guy at google who got in trouble at work for claiming their laMDA AI system is sentient?

 

well i wouldn't worry about it. 

 

err, yet ...

 

i was up half the night a couple days ago playing with this demo AI program called DALL-E mini.

 

you can basically write in what you want, it searches images and then puts them together.

 

however, it does blur faces currently -- because of deep fake concerns.

 

you can set it up here -- have fun:

https://huggingface.co

 

also, you can sign up to be on a waitlist to try out dall-e 2 here, which is much improved and is going to make for deep fake problems:

https://openai.com/dall-e-2/

 

ok, so here is an example of what it can do:

 

 

and these are, well ... you make the call lol -- king kong didn't come out well here:

 

 

 

i think they just used random office building renders for sw hq tower here -- 

 

 

 

and last, but not least -- hey look -- it's jer eating a corned beef sandwich at slyman's lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The amount of things i have created on that website the past few weeks, is borderline concerning and hilarious. It is a rather great tool, but not for renderings. I thought of doing cleveland related things on it but never did it, maybe i'll give it a shot!

15 hours ago, tastybunns said:

The amount of things i have created on that website the past few weeks, is borderline concerning and hilarious. It is a rather great tool, but not for renderings. I thought of doing cleveland related things on it but never did it, maybe i'll give it a shot!

 

 

^ yes please do -- as you can see my initial ideas were pretty basic lol.

 

i can only wonder what DALL-E 2 will be like -- i have seen a few examples of it.  🤔

Hey @Geowizical here’s a nice challenge photo for adding SHW HQ to. 😀

 

 

Hey UO fans, should we start a “go fund me” to cover some of @Geowizical’s hours? 

57 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

Hey UO fans, should we start a “go fund me” to cover some of @Geowizical’s hours? 

 

I'll recuse myself from the proceedings, your honor

In the meantime...

 

Here's what I have so far of my work on the suggestion by @Watertiger1962in the Scranton thread. As you can see this time around I had to work some more on perfecting the art of adding in buildings that already exist into the picture (Lumen, Beacon, Hilton, RMFH extension, minus City Club) on top of the SWHQ, trying to make each building as realistic as possible (if I did my job well, you probably wouldn'tve even noticed haha). Oh and I threw in a little teaser of my attempt at realistically rendering Irishtown Bend so you can see the process 😃 enjoy!

 

Edited June 17, 20222 yr by Geowizical

Just based on @Geowizical’s outstanding rendering, doesn’t it  already seem like the old tan- brown Cleveland color palette  is becoming more modern  -highlighted by the blue shades of SW, The Hilton, Lumen & EY? (And the light-colored buildings like the Courthouse Tower, One Cleveland Center, PNC etc) 

 

SW will make a very big difference towards a bigger, even more vibrant city feel. I’m loving the growth and modernization of our skyline! 
 

 

Edited June 17, 20222 yr by CleveFan

@GeowizicalIf you are able to attend the meetup tomorrow at Masthead (if not, any future meetups), I’m buying you a drink. Thank you for sharing your talent with us 👍

The latest of many outstanding renderings, Geowizical!

We are all in your debt.

 

Happy Fathers Day to you and all UO Forumers- if it applies!

Looks good.  Does the river always look so murky?

17 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

Looks good.  Does the river always look so murky?

Yeah, the river is relatively shallow and kicks up a lot of dirt from the bottom.

12 hours ago, Geowizical said:

In the meantime...

 

Here's what I have so far of my work on the suggestion by @Watertiger1962in the Scranton thread. As you can see this time around I had to work some more on perfecting the art of adding in buildings that already exist into the picture (Lumen, Beacon, Hilton, RMFH extension, minus City Club) on top of the SWHQ, trying to make each building as realistic as possible (if I did my job well, you probably wouldn'tve even noticed haha). Oh and I threw in a little teaser of my attempt at realistically rendering Irishtown Bend so you can see the process 😃 enjoy!

 

OUTSTANDING WORK!!!

Wow. That looks fantastic. The addition of SHW to the skyline from that angle looks even better than I imagine in my head. I need to get a life. And yes, that additional blue glass DOES offset the Cleveland beige and makes the skyline look more modern. Fills in and connects with the other high risers too. Can't wait to see it live.

And maybe another high riser at 4th & Prospect in the near future.

Thanks everyone! @MayDayI can't make the meetup unfortunately :( but I'll take you up on the offer some other time lol 🤟 also for future reference do we have like custom shirts so we can recognize each other in a crowd 😉

Edited June 17, 20222 yr by Geowizical

Irishtown Bend taking shape 😌 a little present for all the fathers out there! This part of the park is the little hexagonal podium/portal that connects the West Bank to Irishtown Bend underneath the Superior Ave. Bridge (ref. NOACA plans)

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 20222 yr by Geowizical

Looks great and all! I wonder if we dredge the river, the water from the Cuyahoga will clear up since sediment isn't too close to where the many barges roll through. Upstream it's very clean, but closer to downtown, the more it looks like Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory.

12 hours ago, tastybunns said:

Looks great and all! I wonder if we dredge the river, the water from the Cuyahoga will clear up since sediment isn't too close to where the many barges roll through. Upstream it's very clean, but closer to downtown, the more it looks like Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory.

They do dredge the river to keep it clear for ships. Then use the dredge material to buildup the land around Burke Airport. Maybe that's why it is so murky down there though?

 

13 hours ago, tastybunns said:

Looks great and all! I wonder if we dredge the river, the water from the Cuyahoga will clear up since sediment isn't too close to where the many barges roll through. Upstream it's very clean, but closer to downtown, the more it looks like Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory.

The river typically looks like that after it rains, and that’s primarily due to sediment runoff. Impervious surfaces as well.

Just wondering 🙂

8 hours ago, Florida Guy said:

Just wondering 🙂

Nice pic! I'll take a stab at it...

Here is my stab at it

 

Great to see the first significant change of that view in decades. Wondering if SW might appear a bit taller from that angle given its position further west. Maybe equal to BP?  

2 hours ago, OldEnough said:

Great to see the first significant change of that view in decades. Wondering if SW might appear a bit taller from that angle given its position further west. Maybe equal to BP?  

About the same height as Huntington, yes

Thank you @Geowizical & @dave2017! Nice work! There have been several buildings built in the last decade downtown but you would not know that from the westside. SW's new headquarters is finally changing the skyline view from the west.

29 minutes ago, Florida Guy said:

Thank you @Geowizical & @dave2017! Nice work! There have been several buildings built in the last decade downtown but you would not know that from the westside. SW's new headquarters is finally changing the skyline view from the west.

Right.  The TV networks like to use the skyline shot from Flats west bank which makes it look like there are only 3 tall buildings downtown.

Here's some shots I took this weekend that would look great with an extra tower in there 😉

 

 

^ With the second pic it almost seems strange that there aren't high rise buildings along the river. The viewpoint makes it seem like downtown just ends very abruptly into a no-mans land. 

Yes, from many angles Cleveland has a very unique skyline. It almost looks like there are no other buildings except the tall ones. I have studied other cities skylines for years and no other place looks like Cleveland. 

2 hours ago, cadmen said:

Yes, from many angles Cleveland has a very unique skyline. It almost looks like there are no other buildings except the tall ones. I have studied other cities skylines for years and no other place looks like Cleveland. 

 

If you had to choose for this stretch, would you want a Chicago River type density or variable low-mid rise mixed use with more park space and trails? Or maybe even something kind of in-between? We've got almost a blank slate here! 

 

I will say I'm not a fan of Gilbert's early renderings for that enormous building that would considerably obstruct Landmark Office Towers. 

4 hours ago, cadmen said:

Yes, from many angles Cleveland has a very unique skyline. It almost looks like there are no other buildings except the tall ones. I have studied other cities skylines for years and no other place looks like Cleveland. 

That's because of the elevation of downtown and of course where the higher buildings are located. The best views of the skyline are from out on the lake and to the east inland from higher elevations. Check it out here:

 

https://en-us.topographic-map.com/maps/kqp/Cleveland/

 

"The land rises quickly from the lake shores elevation of 569 feet. Public Square, less than one mile (1.6 km) inland, sits at an elevation of 650 feet (198 m), and Hopkins Airport, 5 miles (8 km) inland from the lake, is at an elevation of 791 feet (241 m)."

 

 

Well surfohio since you asked I prefer more density, less open (parklike) spaces. One reason I think Cincinnati's skyline works is that its buildings are clumped together. Even though they don't have the height we have I think their skyline looks better. Then again, if we keep up with infill at some point our skyline will grow into itself and eventually look better. I just think especially when viewed from the southwest Flats all you see are the taller buildings and the whole thing looks a little strange. Of course the view from the near west side looking alongside the Detroit - Superior bridge is one of the best and will really look amazing after adding SHW. 

 

But ultimately beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And maybe a tall tower at 4th and Prospect will be added in the next few years.

Sorry it got washed out a bit, but figure this could be an interesting angle (Whistle and Keg patio). I'll wander around today and snag some other shots from angles we haven't seen in here...

 

 

Edited July 1, 20222 yr by GISguy

In honor of the return of the tall ships and our future Cleveland skyline 

 

Edited July 7, 20222 yr by dave2017

If anyone wants to give this angle a crack: