1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Not a typo. Notice the setback at the 12th floor - this is the “top” of the apartment space. The hotel floorplates above are smaller. The restaurant is at the bottom of the smaller floor plate section. I’m assuming this means it will be able to use the terrace created by the setback, which should provide great views of the lake, Edgewater, and the northern parts of downtown. I think it’s a cool design decision.

 

It is a typo unless they're changing the design again from the permit application that was submitted to the city (below). The building was reduced from 16 to 15 floors and the restaurant is on the 11th floor.

20 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said:

It looks like the restaurant will have an outdoor area to it, correct?

Wonder if there are any plans for the rooftop or if that will all be mechanical.

 

Here's the plan for the restaurant from one of their presentations:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/qb2qt9fzpvadqpyetw2sc/h?dl=0&preview=220908+Bridgeworks+OCDR+Submission.pdf&rlkey=loxg6tptycpbxe2rp1u2k1hh9

17 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

To be fair their building in columbus that houses townhall 2.0 is pretty solid townhall is on the first floor then a moxie hotel and coworking above it with a restaurant/lounge on the rooftop.
 

Also to be fair the real rebol 2.0 is in a mixed use building with floors of apartments above it. I’d actually say (aside from the fact that they themselves park behind rebol 1.0) all their location are pretty progressive and offer no specific/direct parking and pretty much rely on walking traffic 

I’ve stayed at that Moxie, very nice. That stretch of High Street is outstanding.

 

I‘m glad you brought it up because I’ve been thinking that Bridgeworks has a shot, with the housing component, to be as good if not better than that building.

6 hours ago, ragarcia said:

I’ve stayed at that Moxie, very nice. That stretch of High Street is outstanding.

 

I‘m glad you brought it up because I’ve been thinking that Bridgeworks has a shot, with the housing component, to be as good if not better than that building.

I have as well. It’s a fantastic building, and I dream to have something like High Street here someday. It could be West 25th, should those parking lots ever get pried away from the Clinic. 

Idk how I missed it, but I didn't realize this project was the same team that put together Church & State. That's such a quality product I'm really glad they're able to start on another project in the area. Excellent news all around! Hopefully they can put another one together after Bridgeworks is completed :)

On 4/14/2023 at 9:58 AM, KJP said:

 

It is a typo unless they're changing the design again from the permit application that was submitted to the city (below). The building was reduced from 16 to 15 floors and the restaurant is on the 11th floor.

 

 

I just saw the recording of the Landmarks Commission meeting and they got approval to add a floor so I think that is where the confusion came from. Now they are back to 16 stories (170ft vs 162ft).

 

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/live/jEu9aSTO1Yw?feature=share&t=3103

 

 

 

Just watched the whole presentation and wanted to summarize the conversation. mainly everyone that spoke was positive and for it except two people. The vote also passed 5-2

 

Mary Oakar was vehemently against it for 4 reasons:

1. It does not blend with the rest of the area

2. The church nextdoor doesn't want it there

3. Tall buildings create flooding? (this one made no sense i'm not sure what she meant)

4. It is getting tax abatement

 

Michele Anderson didn't support it either saying it's too big and also said the church across the street should have a say.

 

 

A lot of comments about the ivy on the garage and the lighting with the garage:

 

Edited April 28, 20232 yr by dwolfi01

51 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

 

I just saw the recording of the Landmarks Commission meeting and they got approval to add a floor so I think that is where the confusion came from. Now they are back to 16 stories (170ft vs 162ft).

 

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/live/jEu9aSTO1Yw?feature=share&t=3103

 

 

 

 

That's great news!!

26 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

Just watched the whole presentation and wanted to summarize the conversation. mainly everyone that spoke was positive and for it except two people. The vote also passed 5-2

 

Mary Oakar was vehemently against it for 4 reasons:

1. It does not blend with the rest of the area

2. The church nextdoor doesn't want it there

3. Tall buildings create flooding? (this one made no sense i'm not sure what she meant)

4. It is getting tax abatement

 

Michele Anderson didn't support it either saying it's too big and also said the church across the street should have a say.

 

 

A lot of comments about the ivy on the garage and the lighting with the garage:

 

Where are they coming up with these awful designs? The actual apartment building somehow looks even worse! And the vines on the garage? That's an obvious copout. 

32 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said:

Just watched the whole presentation and wanted to summarize the conversation. mainly everyone that spoke was positive and for it except two people. The vote also passed 5-2

 

Mary Oakar was vehemently against it for 4 reasons:

1. It does not blend with the rest of the area

2. The church nextdoor doesn't want it there

3. Tall buildings create flooding? (this one made no sense i'm not sure what she meant)

4. It is getting tax abatement

 

Michele Anderson didn't support it either saying it's too big and also said the church across the street should have a say.

 

 

A lot of comments about the ivy on the garage and the lighting with the garage:

 

 

Why does what the church wants matter at all? They should've bought the property if they want to control it. 

Mary Oakar? Wasn’t she some local politician 30+ years ago? 

2 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Mary Oakar? Wasn’t she some local politician 30+ years ago? 

No offense. Is that a real question or are you just trying to be funny?

2 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

No offense. Is that a real question or are you just trying to be funny?

I’m serious. I remember that name from my childhood.

Just watched the whole presentation and wanted to summarize the conversation. mainly everyone that spoke was positive and for it except two people. The vote also passed 5-2
 
Mary Oakar was vehemently against it for 4 reasons:
1. It does not blend with the rest of the area
2. The church nextdoor doesn't want it there
3. Tall buildings create flooding? (this one made no sense i'm not sure what she meant)
4. It is getting tax abatement
 
Michele Anderson didn't support it either saying it's too big and also said the church across the street should have a say.
 
 
A lot of comments about the ivy on the garage and the lighting with the garage:
 

Do these people forget they already stepped back and redesigned the entire project just so the church can still be seen from Detroit, how much more do they need to do to appease the church.

Also was really hoping they’d learn with church and state that a permanent year round solution is needed to for the parking garage the murals at C&S are still down on over half the sides because of high winds, now they’re think about plants??? Can they just do something that’s won’t get affected by weathering

6 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

No offense. Is that a real question or are you just trying to be funny?

Knew it!

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_Oakar

So many young people here.  🙂 Yes, and Mary Rose Oakar also proposed restoring a roadway between the businesses along the east side of West 25th and the hillside to reduce traffic on West 25th. 

 

It's a city, Mary Rose. There's supposed to be traffic. It also slows down cars so pedestrians (aka humans who walk) don't get run over.

Just now, marty15 said:

I’m serious. I remember that name from my childhood.

OK. You are correct. But she wasn’t just some politician. She was actually very influential during most of her political career including when she was in Congress. Lots of money came to Cleveland during her terms, as a result of her efforts. That said, why is she so late to the game when it comes to bridge works. They’re practically digging the foundation. They’ve been before landmarks at least three or four times and she was a no-show then.

2 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

OK. You are correct. But she wasn’t just some politician. She was actually very influential during most of her political career including when she was in Congress. Lots of money came to Cleveland during her terms, as a result of her efforts. That said, why is she so late to the game when it comes to bridge works. They’re practically digging the foundation. They’ve been before landmarks at least three or four times and she was a no-show then.

I was a child when she was doing those things. Do you think it’s her? I was thinking daughter.

3 minutes ago, marty15 said:

I was a child when she was doing those things. Do you think it’s her? I was thinking daughter.

I saw a bit of the meeting when she was speaking. It was her. She has to be in her mid-80s now.

1 minute ago, Htsguy said:

I saw a bit of the meeting when she was speaking. It was her. She has to be in her mid-80s now.

Let the kids play, Mary Rose!

Just now, marty15 said:

I was a child when she was doing those things. Do you think it’s her? I was thinking daughter.

 

She doesn't have a daughter. Trust me.

 

Anyhoo... She's a hangover from Albert Porter's Democratic Party which hates cities or doesn't understand their dense, organic nature.

It’s great, reminds me of a west coast mid-rise.  I love the different architectural styles Cleveland has been seeing over the last several years.  I’d probably like the garage to look a little more like an occupied building but the vines are a nice touch.  Kind of funky which I think works well on W 25th.

It's still bugs me landmark's forced the Bridgework building away from the corner to preserve the view of St. Malachi. It weakened the overall project for no benefit. For 6 months out of the year it's blocked by trees anyway. Bridgeworks existing does not diminish the work they've done for the community.

 

 

I wanna say Mary Rose Oakar lives or lived in a giant beautiful house in Ohio City, so maybe that's where her point of view comes from. However she is stuck in the past on this issue.

That parking garage is ugly as sin.

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Mary Rose Oakar had her time and place in Cleveland politics, and she was a pitbull at times that lead to great benefit here, especially in women’s rights (although famously anti-choice). The west side politicians still treat her with the respect she’s earned, although fortunately not deference.  Glad that she was in the extreme minority on Bridgeworks. And hopefully she’ll appreciate the progress once complete.  
 

https://history.house.gov/People/Detail/19070

Edited April 29, 20232 yr by brtshrcegr

It’s impressive to see someone make an argument against a development both on the basis of condemning tax abatements and expressing a preference to see a neighboring church, who, by definition, doesn’t pay taxes, have a say.


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Edited April 29, 20232 yr by ASP1984

7 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

It’s impressive to see someone make an argument against a development on the basis of tax abatements and a preference to see a neighboring church, who, by definition, doesn’t pay taxes, have a say.


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Also, I don't think tax abatements are really part of the purview of Landmarks Commission.

19 hours ago, KJP said:

 

She doesn't have a daughter. Trust me.

 

Anyhoo... She's a hangover from Albert Porter's Democratic Party which hates cities or doesn't understand their dense, organic nature.

Nope no daughter.......   And at least she used to live in Ohio City but haven't heard a peep about or from her in quite some time.  

Mary Rose comes from a time when Cleveland politics was dominated by Eastern European ethnic blue collar union people. She was a working class fighter. But that Cleveland doesn't really exist anymore. I can remember her fondly for being a certain type from a bygone era but her views are not relevant to the city Cleveland is trying to become today. 

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

Mary Rose comes from a time when Cleveland politics was dominated by Eastern European ethnic blue collar union people. She was a working class fighter. But that Cleveland doesn't really exist anymore. I can remember her fondly for being a certain type from a bygone era but her views are not relevant to the city Cleveland is trying to become today. 

She’s Lebanese! The first Arab American woman to serve in congress 

Shall we get back to Bridgeworks, folks?

I’m ready to see the shovels in the ground. 

Any recent updates on Bridgeworks? 🙂

7 hours ago, DHubb said:

Any recent updates on Bridgeworks? 🙂

 

I believe demo was said to be starting in June a while ago. But I drive by it every day so the minute I see any machinery make an appearance I will 100% grab a pic to share lol. I'm excited for this one to get going!

after you take the pic, I will go by and confirm...

A month later.... any movement/news?

@KJP

No new building permits have been submitted. No response from the developer either.

Here we go again with my hopes 

Not saying TMUD would've gotten this off the ground but seems like if the state gave this project money vs Erieview, we'd be seeing something.

Didn't they just get a 2 million dollar loan from the county to complete the capital stack?

5 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Didn't they just get a 2 million dollar loan from the county to complete the capital stack?

 

That and more. My understanding is that they have what they need to move forward. I've not heard of any setbacks.

Everything is on track from a financing standpoint. It does take time for loans to close and get funded. In commercial finance, these complex capital stacks can take a while to finalize. 

Does anybody know if the developer, since all city approvals have been given, can start pulling permits, even though the financing paperwork has not been finalized? Obviously, they would not act on the permits until all the financing “I’s” are dotted and “t’s” crossed, but it would be nice if they could actually start demo as soon as the paperwork is done and not have to wait for permits which, as I understand it, takes a while once the application is submitted to the city

 

Once the permit drawings are submitted to the city for review, by law, the city has 30 days to respond with an approval or an adjudication order with required changes to meet the building code. From what I understand, if the city doesn’t respond in 30 days the developer, by law, can start building.

Edited July 6, 20231 yr by w28th

So have they requested any permits?

2 hours ago, w28th said:

Once the permit drawings are submitted to the city for review, by law, the city has 30 days to respond with an approval or an adjudication order with required changes to meet the building code. From what I understand, if the city doesn’t respond in 30 days the developer, by law, can start building.

Damn does that apply to residential because I really wish my contractor had known that law 

2 hours ago, simplythis said:

So have they requested any permits?

 

No. I haven't seen anything lately. But I'll check again in the morning. I've sent a couple of emails to the developer to find out when they will start demolition but have received no reply. Usually they respond when they have news to share and don't when they don't. 

Still waiting for movement on this project 🤔🤔🤔

I still haven't heard from the developer yet. But I've heard from others that they are over budget. Who knows, maybe they still need a TMUD after all...