Back to the topic at hand, WCPN/Nick Castele just launched a Podcast on the Cle Mayoral Race - After Jackson. They played the first episode on SOI this morning, some really great work! Glad WCPN is cool with their reporters getting out and producing things (Behind the Bricks was also great)...

 

Landing Page:

https://www.ideastream.org/topics/after-jackson

 

For real though, can y'all take this crime discussion somewhere else? Or at least tie it into the mayoral race in some regard...

2 hours ago, GISguy said:

For real though, can y'all take this crime discussion somewhere else? Or at least tie it into the mayoral race in some regard...

Whomever is elected mayor in November will be inheriting a huge crime and violence issue; a problem that the current mayor has done little to curb and the negative numbers have risen substantially over the last eight years.  Under Jackson's tenure, Cleveland has risen to be in the top five of the most dangerous cities. The police department is severely understaffed and shrinking in size while having to be tasked to do more.  Aside from the shock-tactics used by one candidate, there has been little from the candidates on how they will reverse the crime trends and bolster the police department.  The primary is less than 2 months away and it is troubling that we have heard so little on these subjects.

3 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Just received a fundraising email from Justin Bibb reminding that the election is 2 months from today (September 14).  

Will any local media invest in polling?   Has anyone seen one?  

 

 

 

Isn't there a state law that says no "yard" signs should be posted until 30 days before an election?

8 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Whomever is elected mayor in November will be inheriting a huge crime and violence issue; a problem that the current mayor has done little to curb and the negative numbers have risen substantially over the last eight years.  Under Jackson's tenure, Cleveland has risen to be in the top five of the most dangerous cities. The police department is severely understaffed and shrinking in size while having to be tasked to do more.  Aside from the shock-tactics used by one candidate, there has been little from the candidates on how they will reverse the crime trends and bolster the police department.  The primary is less than 2 months away and it is troubling that we have heard so little on these subjects.

 

Even four years ago, the candidate who was the most willing to talk about fighting crime (Zack) is the one who made to the runoff.    The one who talked about reining in the police (documented ISIS sympathizer Eric Brewer) finished last, IIRC.

 

It’s likely the main issue in the eyes of the voters, if not it’s close.

7 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Isn't there a state law that says no "yard" signs should be posted until 30 days before an election?

I don't think such a law could be enforced. it would violate 1st amendment rights. 

27 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Even four years ago, the candidate who was the most willing to talk about fighting crime (Zack) is the one who made to the runoff.    The one who talked about reining in the police (documented ISIS sympathizer Eric Brewer) finished last, IIRC.

 

It’s likely the main issue in the eyes of the voters, if not it’s close.

Yet, the voters quite decisively re-elected Jackson to a fourth term.  Even in 2017, the numbers were going in the wrong direction and it didn't matter.  Part of the problem in 2017 was Reed's history but back then Jackson already had a weak track record on crime and safety that had been getting worse.  It should have caused him to not be the 2017 November election. 

 

In the last few decades, Cleveland has unfortunately had mayoral candidates that were weak, had a poor track record, lots of baggage, were awful campaigners or suffered from a lack of experience.

Edited July 14, 20213 yr by LifeLongClevelander

52 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

a problem that the current mayor has done little to curb and the negative numbers have risen substantially over the last eight years.  Under Jackson's tenure, Cleveland has risen to be in the top five of the most dangerous cities.

 

"Most dangerous cities" according to whom?

 

Could you please specify which 'negative numbers' have risen substantially?! Despite your perceptions and mostly baseless rhetoric, most crime, is down in the past decade, according to the city's police department, even taking into account decreased population in the past 10 years.  View the document at https://f002.backblazeb2.com/file/publique/2020-cleveland-crime.pdf

 

The only stat I'd remotely agree with rising 'substantially' would be homicides and Felonious Assaults.

 

If you want to view it yourself and to confirm it:

If you sign up for city of cleveland's public records request center, https://clevelandoh.govqa.us/ ,  then visit 'find information' search crime, and open that, then open YearEndReport2020Final.pdf you'll find it.

Edited July 14, 20213 yr by skorasaurus
clarity

3 hours ago, skorasaurus said:

 

"Most dangerous cities" according to whom?

 

Could you please specify which 'negative numbers' have risen substantially?! Despite your perceptions and mostly baseless rhetoric, most crime, is down in the past decade, according to the city's police department, even taking into account decreased population in the past 10 years.  View the document at https://f002.backblazeb2.com/file/publique/2020-cleveland-crime.pdf

 

The only stat I'd remotely agree with rising 'substantially' would be homicides and Felonious Assaults.

 

If you want to view it yourself and to confirm it:

If you sign up for city of cleveland's public records request center, https://clevelandoh.govqa.us/ ,  then visit 'find information' search crime, and open that, then open YearEndReport2020Final.pdf you'll find it.

Here are multiple sites that list Cleveland as the 6th or 7th most dangerous city in America for years 2018, 2019 and 2020:  Maybe not top 5 (but other sites have had Cleveland ranked as #3 or #4).

 

CBS News Ranks Cleveland as the 6th most dangerous city in America (2019 FBI Statistics)

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/

 

World Atlas ranks Cleveland as the 7th most dangerous 2018:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-united-states.html

 

247 Wall Street ranks Cleveland as 7th most dangerous 2019:

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/11/16/americas-50-most-dangerous-cities/10/

 

Crime in America ranks Cleveland as the 6th most dangerous in 2018:

https://www.crimeinamerica.net/most-dangerous-cities/

 

Itravelnet.com ranks Cleveland as the 7th most dangerous in 2020:

https://www.itravelnet.com/travel-blog/top-10-us-cities-with-the-most-violent-crime/

 

Though a bit older, Forbes ranks Cleveland as the 9th most dangerous in 2012 (so it has been this way for a while):

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/1-detroit/?sh=66cfa9b369d9

 

Sites like CBS News, World Atlas and Forbes are well known news sources and their numbers are based upon FBI data (which in itself should answer “who”).  Definitely not "baseless".  All of the articles cite per capita numbers for their rates, so population differences aren't a factor.

 

Homicide totals in Cleveland 2014-2020:

2014:     102

2015:     120

2016:     144

2017:     130

2018:     130

2019:     133

2020:     190

 

Cleveland.com article on 2020 Homicide Rate (numbers taken from 12/20/20, before final count was in)

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2021/01/its-like-war-numbers-cleveland-endures-worst-homicide-rate-in-recent-history-in-2020.html

 

1982 Homicide rate:   33.9 per 100,000 residents – 195 homicides (the most recent number with a count higher than 2020)

1972 Homicide rate:   44.3 per 100,000 residents – 333 (all-time high in homicides)

2020 Homicide rate:  48.6 per 100,000 residents – 185 (homicides - at time of data compiled)

2020 Homicide rate:   50.0 per 100,000 residents – 190 (homicides - final tally for year)

These are per capita homicde rates that take into account the homicide total based upon population change.

 

Does this meet the definition of negative numbers?

Edited July 14, 20213 yr by LifeLongClevelander

On 7/14/2021 at 7:42 PM, LifeLongClevelander said:

Here are multiple sites that list Cleveland as the 6th or 7th most dangerous city in America for years 2018, 2019 and 2020:  Maybe not top 5 (but other sites have had Cleveland ranked as #3 or #4).

 

CBS News Ranks Cleveland as the 6th most dangerous city in America (2019 FBI Statistics)

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/the-most-dangerous-cities-in-america/

 

World Atlas ranks Cleveland as the 7th most dangerous 2018:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/most-dangerous-cities-in-the-united-states.html

 

247 Wall Street ranks Cleveland as 7th most dangerous 2019:

https://247wallst.com/special-report/2020/11/16/americas-50-most-dangerous-cities/10/

 

Crime in America ranks Cleveland as the 6th most dangerous in 2018:

https://www.crimeinamerica.net/most-dangerous-cities/

 

Itravelnet.com ranks Cleveland as the 7th most dangerous in 2020:

https://www.itravelnet.com/travel-blog/top-10-us-cities-with-the-most-violent-crime/

 

Though a bit older, Forbes ranks Cleveland as the 9th most dangerous in 2012 (so it has been this way for a while):

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/mlj45jggj/1-detroit/?sh=66cfa9b369d9

 

Sites like CBS News, World Atlas and Forbes are well known news sources and their numbers are based upon FBI data (which in itself should answer “who”).  Definitely not "baseless".  All of the articles cite per capita numbers for their rates, so population differences aren't a factor.

 

Homicide totals in Cleveland 2014-2020:

2014:     102

2015:     120

2016:     144

2017:     130

2018:     130

2019:     133

2020:     190

 

Cleveland.com article on 2020 Homicide Rate (numbers taken from 12/20/20, before final count was in)

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2021/01/its-like-war-numbers-cleveland-endures-worst-homicide-rate-in-recent-history-in-2020.html

 

1982 Homicide rate:   33.9 per 100,000 residents – 195 homicides (the most recent number with a count higher than 2020)

1972 Homicide rate:   44.3 per 100,000 residents – 333 (all-time high in homicides)

2020 Homicide rate:  48.6 per 100,000 residents – 185 (homicides - at time of data compiled)

2020 Homicide rate:   50.0 per 100,000 residents – 190 (homicides - final tally for year)

These are per capita homicde rates that take into account the homicide total based upon population change.

 

Does this meet the definition of negative numbers?

 

I would say that, as we've discussed, these crimes are not as random as they may have been in decades past.   They are skewed towards those involved in drugs and gangs being the victims.  

However, only skewed.   Not limited to.   Plus the numbers make things appear worse than they are, which is a self fulfilling prophecy more often than not.

Jackson and his people have been unwilling to challenge this head on.   Because of the connections to his family?   I suspect yes, perhaps unconsciously on his part.  Perhaps moreso among people working for him.

As a result, we need the next mayor to swing the pendulum in the opposite direction.   I'm not seeing a candidate I am convinced is willing to do so.   Zack says a lot of the right things, but does he have the will to push them through?

Dennis is a big NO for other reasons, mainly his inability to manage.   The others are not addressing the subject, as far as I can tell.

Edited July 16, 20213 yr by E Rocc

1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

 

I would say that, as we've discussed, these crimes are not as random as they may have been in decades past.   They are skewed towards those involved in drugs and gangs being the victims.  

However, only skewed.   Not limited to.   Plus the numbers make things appear worse than they are, which is a self fulfilling prophecy more often than not.

Jackson and his people have been unwilling to challenge this head on.   Because of the connections to his family?   I suspect yes, perhaps unconsciously on his part.  Perhaps moreso among people working for him.

As a result, we need the next mayor to swing the pendulum in the opposite direction.   I'm not seeing a candidate I am convinced is willing to do so.   Zack says a lot of the right things, but does he have the will to push them through?

Dennis is a big NO for other reasons, mainly his inability to manage.   The others are not addressing the subject, as far as I can tell.

Definitely feel that Jackson's policies were significantly influenced by his family.  How many generations of his family that share his name have legal troubles?  I think the dirt bike park may have had some bearing due to family activities as well.   Jackson has surrounded himself with people who are more than willing to be his mouthpiece and have their strings pulled by him.  With the violent crime problem as bad as has been, in most cases it would have cost the chief his job.  It hasn't hurt Williams in the least.  How many top aides and advisors were retirees but found nice paying jobs working for Jackson (and pulling in a pension, too)?  They do his bidding, say everything the mayor wants and they have nice jobs.  Hopefully the next mayor will get rid of the whole lot.

 

I am very concerned about the overall lack of a stand to combat violence in the campaign.  If just by the shock tactics, it puts Kucinich on the radar due to his saying something about battling crime, it could very well put him in the top two in the primary.  That is outright frightening in itself.  

10 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Definitely feel that Jackson's policies were significantly influenced by his family.  How many generations of his family that share his name have legal troubles?  I think the dirt bike park may have had some bearing due to family activities as well.   Jackson has surrounded himself with people who are more than willing to be his mouthpiece and have their strings pulled by him.  With the violent crime problem as bad as has been, in most cases it would have cost the chief his job.  It hasn't hurt Williams in the least.  How many top aides and advisors were retirees but found nice paying jobs working for Jackson (and pulling in a pension, too)?  They do his bidding, say everything the mayor wants and they have nice jobs.  Hopefully the next mayor will get rid of the whole lot.

 

I am very concerned about the overall lack of a stand to combat violence in the campaign.  If just by the shock tactics, it puts Kucinich on the radar due to his saying something about battling crime, it could very well put him in the top two in the primary.  That is outright frightening in itself.  

 

As far as Jackson hires go, only two words need to be said.   Lance Mason.

 

Agreed very much about crime.   It does make me nervous when candidates speak of "gun violence" rather than criminal violence.   Not only are they looking in the wrong direction (I would estimate my relatively peaceful neighborhood has at least a 50% ownership rate), but they are putting themselves in a position to blame the state, which isn't about to change its laws.
 

 

 

 

 

Cleveland's mayoral race transcends city boundaries -- OK, only by a little bit. This is a gas station/convenience store on West 117th at Franklin Blvd -- on the Lakewood side of West 117th. Cleveland is on the east side of West 117th.....

 

^ I seem to remember someone was shot there...a rarity for Lakewood.

On 7/21/2021 at 8:47 PM, KJP said:

 

Cleveland's mayoral race transcends city boundaries -- OK, only by a little bit. This is a gas station/convenience store on West 117th at Franklin Blvd -- on the Lakewood side of West 117th. Cleveland is on the east side of West 117th.....

 

 

It seems like Basheer has approached gas stations (or an ownership group), there's a lot of similar setups around town that I've noticed.

Where's the money coming from for each of the candidates?

 

New Campaign Finance Reports Show Whose Money is Backing Cleveland Mayoral Candidates

 

"Cleveland Councilman Basheer Jones raised nearly $400,000 in the first half of 2021 in his bid to become Mayor of Cleveland, while attorney Ross DiBello brought in only $5,600. City Council President Kevin Kelley spent more, and has more on hand, than any of his six opponents, and Dennis Kucinich, who's considered by many to be the race's frontrunner, has spent less than everyone but DiBello...."

 

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2021/08/02/new-campaign-finance-reports-show-whose-money-is-backing-cleveland-mayoral-candidates

Kucinich gets endorsement from "the Teamsters Ohio DRIVE Committee". Is that the same as the Teamsters? Its not really clear. 

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/elections/cleveland-mayoral-election/cleveland-mayoral-candidate-dennis-kucinich-receives-endorsement-teamsters-ohio-drive/95-27ca7a4e-3bc0-4798-9c3c-bc16d132da0e

%age of political donations that coming from within the city for each candidate--Jan-Jun 2021:

 

 

 

Notable are Kucinich's (best) and Basheer's (scarily low)-and what's notable is that Basheer raised more money than any other candidate Jan-June 2021, meaning tremendous disproportionate influence coming from the suburbs and elsewhere.

 

Also about Basheer, this is interesting:  "Margaret Wong, a politically active immigration attorney, gave to every candidate except Jones." 

 

Data above and quote is from:  https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2021/07/kevin-kelley-ends-latest-campaign-finance-reporting-period-with-most-cash-on-hand-of-cleveland-mayoral-candidates.html

 

Interestingly, my top three favorites---even before making this table---happen to be the top three rows of the table. Bibb and Reed would be at the very bottom.

 

Edited August 6, 20213 yr by Pugu

fwiw, remember that Kucinich hasn't raised much money at all, so the percentages can cause you to draw some false conclusions. I thought at first that it meant he had a ton of support in the city, but in actuality that whole amount came from just 13 people.

 

Bibb had by far the most Cleveland donors with 461 – more than the other five candidates combined – which accounted for 31% of his total money raised. His average donation from Cleveland was also the lowest total at around $163 per donation.

Well that’s a big endorsement. And apparently they put it right on the front page. 
 

I often think about Jake’s reminders that Twitter is not real life. I’m hoping that this endorsement is a sign that Cleveland Twitter is not the only Cleveland excited about Bibb. 
 

And to reiterate - Bibb is the best candidate by a wide margin. The endorsement piece includes many of the reasons why. 
 

And it also includes this classic:

”We are passionate about this endorsement, but we are equally passionate – if not more so -- in what we say next: Whatever you do, don’t vote for Dennis Kucinich. As much as we believe Bibb offers a grand hope for the future, we believe Kucinich is not relevant to our future challenges.”

 

Very happy about the PD endorsement of Bibb. Unfortunately, I ventured into West Park today and saw more than a few ¡Dennis! yard signs.

On 8/4/2021 at 7:52 PM, Pugu said:

Kucinich gets endorsement from "the Teamsters Ohio DRIVE Committee". Is that the same as the Teamsters? Its not really clear. 

 

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/politics/elections/cleveland-mayoral-election/cleveland-mayoral-candidate-dennis-kucinich-receives-endorsement-teamsters-ohio-drive/95-27ca7a4e-3bc0-4798-9c3c-bc16d132da0e

 

DRIVE is their PAC.  To their credit, they keep things more or less separate.

My first campaign was Reagan in '80, DRIVE endorsed us and a lot of their membership was very enthusiastic.   Not a lot of intimidation attempts that time around, sort of like MAD LOL.

Dennis  was at Triv's on air event yesterday afternoon, kissing up.

 

 

On 8/8/2021 at 10:04 AM, Boomerang_Brian said:

Well that’s a big endorsement. And apparently they put it right on the front page. 
 

I often think about Jake’s reminders that Twitter is not real life. I’m hoping that this endorsement is a sign that Cleveland Twitter is not the only Cleveland excited about Bibb. 
 

And to reiterate - Bibb is the best candidate by a wide margin. The endorsement piece includes many of the reasons why. 
 

And it also includes this classic:

”We are passionate about this endorsement, but we are equally passionate – if not more so -- in what we say next: Whatever you do, don’t vote for Dennis Kucinich. As much as we believe Bibb offers a grand hope for the future, we believe Kucinich is not relevant to our future challenges.”

 

 

I'd never vote for Dennis, but Bibb strikes me as a technocrat/administrator, not a leader or a change driver.   Sort of a younger, perhaps more energetic Frank Jackson.

I like Bibb for the job. I agree that he may not be a huge change driver, but if he lives up to his campaign promise of cleaning up the waste in our city departments, then he wins in my book. About 60% of city employees need to be fired immediately. Take care of the city services and let the private sector respond with more development as more people want to start living in a well run city

8 minutes ago, YO to the CLE said:

 About 60% of city employees need to be fired immediately. 

I would up this number to 70%.

Here’s the complete Cleveland mayoral debate. Ideastream has a second debate planned. 
 

https://www.ideastream.org/cleveland-mayoral-debate-voters-first-part-1

I listened to Kevin Kelley on Crain's podcast.  So many words, so little content.

Ugh

 

1 hour ago, KJP said:

Ugh

 

 

Think it's important to note that this poll was released by North Shore AFL-CIO, which endorsed Kucinich.

 

Margin of error was 5.2% and 451 likely voters were polled, more info on results and methodology can be seen below:

 

I can't tell what the margin of error is, but with 500 online respondents, I'm betting it's not great. Also respondents were solicited via social media. The voting block in Cleveland (like most places) skews toward older folks, so social media is probably a terrible way to find a representative sample.

 

Also would note that the leader isn't actually Dennis, it's "unsure." Dennis has the best name recognition, so he also probably has the least to gain from the undecideds. As a sort of (but not very good) comparable, in a mid July poll on the 11th district race, Shontel had 36%, Nina Turner 41%, with 18% undecided. The ultimate result was 50% Shontel, 44% Nina Turner. So if the poll was correct, Shontel soaked up nearly all the undecideds. That can happen here.

 

I think the only thing we can conclude from this poll is that Ross DiBello is going to lose.

Of course positions 2-6 are all well within the margin of error. But this guy noticed a much more important stat revealed by this poll:

Justin Bibb’s net favorability is +15. Dennis is (somehow) +5. All the rest have net negative favorability. 
 

 

28 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

I can't tell what the margin of error is, but with 500 online respondents, I'm betting it's not great. Also respondents were solicited via social media. The voting block in Cleveland (like most places) skews toward older folks, so social media is probably a terrible way to find a representative sample.

 

Also would note that the leader isn't actually Dennis, it's "unsure." Dennis has the best name recognition, so he also probably has the least to gain from the undecideds. As a sort of (but not very good) comparable, in a mid July poll on the 11th district race, Shontel had 36%, Nina Turner 41%, with 18% undecided. The ultimate result was 50% Shontel, 44% Nina Turner. So if the poll was correct, Shontel soaked up nearly all the undecideds. That can happen here.

 

I think the only thing we can conclude from this poll is that Ross DiBello is going to lose.

 

I would think bibb would be over represented in a social media centric poll

Have you been on Facebook lately?  It's like a retirement home in there. 

 

A real racist retirement home.

4 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

 

I would think bibb would be over represented in a social media centric poll

Just by signs around town Bibb is the clear leader. I work in the fourth district and I hang out pretty much everywhere else in the city, and Bibb signs are by far the most common, in black, white, and mixed neighborhoods. At the very least he's got a solid ground game. 

1 hour ago, KFM44107 said:

Just by signs around town Bibb is the clear leader. I work in the fourth district and I hang out pretty much everywhere else in the city, and Bibb signs are by far the most common, in black, white, and mixed neighborhoods. At the very least he's got a solid ground game. 

 

I also saw Nina Turner signs pretty much everywhere and that didn't turn out the way it appeared.   I think Bibb has a chance he just needs to keep up the engagement with voters (he, or a campaign staffer answering in his name, has responded to my emails directly every time I've contacted him).  

 
I also saw Nina Turner signs pretty much everywhere and that didn't turn out the way it appeared.   I think Bibb has a chance he just needs to keep up the engagement with voters (he, or a campaign staffer answering in his name, has responded to my emails directly every time I've contacted him).  

Shontel signs were EVERYWHERE in Shaker and Beachwood, and not surprisingly she did really well there

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Quality Dennis! bashing from the Kelley camp.  
 

https://www.clevelandsworstmayor.com

 

 

I'm in the Bibb camp- hopefully this infighting between Kelley and Dennis! help split votes. I'm on OB and Bibb! signs haven't quite popped up in the neighborhood quite like some other CLE hoods. 

 

There also aren't a ton of Kelley signs either, but signs don't really mean much all things considered.

 

That said, on my bike commute into the office I've seen some Dennis! signs (Scranton Rd. in particular), can't say I've spent much time around West Park during this but it sounds like KK and D! are prob fighting for those votes too, I'd be curious what things look like out there.

Saw Dennis! walking around by himself at the Feast today. Maybe since he's such a West Side guy and doesn't have many connections over there but I was surprised he didn't seem to be doing well at chatting people up. Zack Reed and Justin Bibb also there. In addition to Frank Jackson, Blaine Griffin, and also Chris Ronayne who's running for County Executive next year which I didn't know about and am now excited about. 

On 8/12/2021 at 10:22 AM, GISguy said:

I'm in the Bibb camp- hopefully this infighting between Kelley and Dennis! help split votes. I'm on OB and Bibb! signs haven't quite popped up in the neighborhood quite like some other CLE hoods. 

 

There also aren't a ton of Kelley signs either, but signs don't really mean much all things considered.

 

That said, on my bike commute into the office I've seen some Dennis! signs (Scranton Rd. in particular), can't say I've spent much time around West Park during this but it sounds like KK and D! are prob fighting for those votes too, I'd be curious what things look like out there.

 

 

Lots of Dennis signs in West Park, he will do well in the southwest with the white working class. Kevin Kelley will do well with older liberals, Bibb with younger liberals. Question is what will happen with the Black vote on the east side, which could also end up being split between a few candidates. 

 

This election really would be a perfect case for ranked choice voting - the primary is going to be a cluster ****, Dennis may win out on name recognition.

44 minutes ago, mu2010 said:

 

 

Lots of Dennis signs in West Park, he will do well in the southwest with the white working class. Kevin Kelley will do well with older liberals, Bibb with younger liberals. Question is what will happen with the Black vote on the east side, which could also end up being split between a few candidates. 

 

This election really would be a perfect case for ranked choice voting - the primary is going to be a cluster ****, Dennis may win out on name recognition.

 

It's truly a neighborhood by neighborhood race. 

 

Bibb pretty much own Ohio City/Detroit Shoreway/Tremont, Dennis is doing well in West Park and Old Brooklyn, Kelley has a presence in all of the above... 

 

Basheer Jones is doing very well in Glennville, Collinwood, and Hough, and Zach Reed seems to have a strong presence from E40th to MLK from Kinsman to St. Clair. 

 

 

Next mayoral debate is tomorrow (Tuesday) evening. Ideastream did an EXCELLENT job with the first one last week. Will be on local PBS and NPR, and ideastream will also post it to YouTube after. Check it out!
 

 

 

23 hours ago, mu2010 said:

Saw Dennis! walking around by himself at the Feast today. Maybe since he's such a West Side guy and doesn't have many connections over there but I was surprised he didn't seem to be doing well at chatting people up. Zack Reed and Justin Bibb also there. In addition to Frank Jackson, Blaine Griffin, and also Chris Ronayne who's running for County Executive next year which I didn't know about and am now excited about. 

Girlfriend and I came downstairs from our apartment to grab some food during the feast and next thing I know we were shaking hands with Justin. I was surprised just how many candidates were there.

Here’s the complete second debate:

 

https://www.ideastream.org/cleveland-mayoral-debate-voters-first-part-2

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2021/08/how-big-is-this-former-cleveland-mayor-mike-white-is-endorsing-justin-bibb-this-week-in-the-cle.html

 

Mike White endorsing Justin Bibb.

 

This seems pretty important.

White has about as much credibility as Nate Gray and Jimmy Dimora. He might be remembered fondly since Cleveland was considered the Comeback City during his reign, but he was as much a criminal as those other scumbags.

Edited August 18, 20213 yr by TBideon

On 8/15/2021 at 7:23 PM, YABO713 said:

 

It's truly a neighborhood by neighborhood race. 

 

Bibb pretty much own Ohio City/Detroit Shoreway/Tremont, Dennis is doing well in West Park and Old Brooklyn, Kelley has a presence in all of the above... 

 

Basheer Jones is doing very well in Glennville, Collinwood, and Hough, and Zach Reed seems to have a strong presence from E40th to MLK from Kinsman to St. Clair. 

 

 

 

Anyone know who Polensek is backing?   Or if he's made a choice yet?   They will be the odds on favorite in Collinwood.

(Edit:  I'll check with Cindy Barber, she'd know).

Edited August 18, 20213 yr by E Rocc

35 minutes ago, TBideon said:

White has about as much credibility as Nate Gray and Jimmy Dimora. He might be remembered fondly since Cleveland was considered the Comeback City during his reign, but he was as much a criminal as those other scumbags.

 

Agreed. The city took a step backward under Mike White in the 1990s. And I'll never forgive him for putting the football stadium on the lakefront vs the intermodal yards site. White was a terrific public speaker and a source of great energy. But while Frank Jackson wasn't Mr. Excitement, he was pretty clean compared to White and the people he surrounded himself with. If I was Justin Bibb's campaign manager, I would tell Mike "thanks but no thanks." But I think he accepted it because Kelley got Jackson's endorsement and probably felt he needed to keep up with him and notch a mayoral nod.

7 minutes ago, KJP said:

 But while Frank Jackson wasn't Mr. Excitement, he was pretty clean compared to White and the people he surrounded himself with. 

 

I think we'll see things come out about the Jackson administration as time goes on.   They may not have engaged as much overt graft as Dimora and White, but there is a TON of nepotism and bloat going on in the ranks of city employees and contractors.