1 hour ago, brtshrcegr said:

I’m a (dis)interested third-party in this election as I’m not registered to vote in Cleveland, I don’t have any vested interests in the the race. I generally have a favorable impression of Bibb, and I’d say the same about Kelly. But some of the attacks on here on Bibb over the last couple of days have REALLY been…amusing. 

 

Glad you're amused. Not sure if you live in California or a Cleveland suburb. But if you live in a Cleveland suburb, you DO have a vested interest in the outcome of this election. Crime from the city has already spread into the burbs whereafter criminals flee back into the city knowing they won't be chased. New jobs and new companies won't move to anywhere in the CLE metro from outside the region if we're a dysfunctional or shrinking city. And the list goes on. The mayor of Cleveland affects the entire region, not just the city.

Edited August 27, 20213 yr by Pugu

44 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Oh my--that's even worse than being a no-show. A no-show could have said she/he had an emergency and couldn't make it. But to actually go and not say a word? And he wants to be mayor? This is yet ANOTHER piece of evidence that he has deep, DEEP judgement issues. If one is clueless about what to do about gun violence (which he apparently is), you don't go to a special gathering of people affected by it and not even have a solution or even some conciliatory words or anything. He is really, really clueless--actually SCARY CLUELESS. This is  why he is on the very bottom of my list. He just doesn't get it. Elect him and he'll be scary with cluelessness and no judgement but with great power. I guarantee you ANY of the other six, if attending, would have said something! Please don't vote for this guy and please share these words.

 

EDIT:  I see later posts that say Bibbs DID indeed speak. But I agree with the statement above, he should have taken questions instead of reading a cold statement to emotionally-impacted people.

But here’s the thing, where is it reported that it was a “cold statement”? Just as it was first alleged that he didn’t speak at all was incorrect, this also seems to be out of whole cloth. 

By all means sling arrows at the candidate, but can we at least respect the interest and intelligence of our fellow forumers by basing these attacks at least on the truth? That’s what, ya know, elevates this group above WTAM. 

 

I harp on this because it’s endemic of the larger breakdown of political discourse across our country and by all sides — I’ve been nagging on the need to cite those pesky things called facts in the Afghanistan thread as well, I realize.  I’m this case, it’s not necessary because I love Bibb by any means, but if you’re trying to sway others to what is obviously a very passionate dislike for the man, it’s not a convincing argument to just make things up. 

 

 

37 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Glad you're amused. Not sure if you live in California or a Cleveland suburb.

Yea, naw, neither. But I’m certainly aware, agree, and have experience with the challenges you rightly highlight.  
 

Edited August 27, 20213 yr by brtshrcegr

24 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Glad you're amused. Not sure if you live in California or a Cleveland suburb. But if you live in a Cleveland suburb, you DO have a vested interest in the outcome of this election. Crime from the city has already spread into the burbs whereafter criminals flee back into the city knowing they won't be chased. New jobs and new companies won't move to anywhere in the CLE metro from outside the region if we're a dysfunctional or shrinking city. And the list goes on. The mayor of Cleveland affects the entire region, not just the city.

The mayor of Cleveland has a significant impact on the region.  Criminals committing acts in the suburbs within the county or in neighbor know very well that if they can cross over into the Cleveland city limits, they have basically made a safe getaway.  Mismanage the city and turning off businesses will result in those businesses relocating outside the city or not even bothering to have the city as a possible destination.  How much has been already lost by Cleveland considering it was once #3 on the list of Fortune 500 companies headquartered in the city.  Now it has TWO companies on that list.  That's the same as Akron and the total for Mayfield Heights-Mayfield Village.  The departure of those headquarters was in large part due to the perception of the city.  What happens to the region if jobs leave the area and new ones don't get created?  What does it do to the tax base?  The cost of the city's services won't go down, especially with the planned increase of the minimum wage of city workers to $15/hour.  The city cannot even replace vital equipment in a timely manner.  It will only be a matter of time before the city is forced to increase taxes.

 

The city has big issues now and more in the future.  A candidate for mayor needs to be concerned about what those issues will do to the residents, businesses and those coming to the city.

17 minutes ago, brtshrcegr said:

But here’s the thing, where is it reported that it was a “cold statement”? 
 

 

Somebody above said a "prepared statement". Sorry if I used the wrong word, but "prepared" statements are usually that--cold, scripted, and not truly from the heart. They can sound warm and kind, but they are often the creation of draft after draft and proofreaders, and the like and often are not even written by the speaker himself. So if he read a prepared statement, who knows what he REALLY thinks. For an event like that, speak from the heart (if it helps you) and take questions with the hurt attendees or don't attend at all. I read somewhere this phrase "BGNC--Bibb's got no clue!" And now I truly agree with it and get it---incompetent, yes, but its because he has no clue as demonstrated by this event and other things he has said.

2 hours ago, brtshrcegr said:

I’m a (dis)interested third-party in this election as I’m not registered to vote in Cleveland, I don’t have any vested interests in the the race. I generally have a favorable impression of Bibb, and I’d say the same about Kelly. But some of the attacks on here on Bibb over the last couple of days have REALLY been…amusing. 

 

59 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Glad you're amused. Not sure if you live in California or a Cleveland suburb. But if you live in a Cleveland suburb, you DO have a vested interest in the outcome of this election. Crime from the city has already spread into the burbs whereafter criminals flee back into the city knowing they won't be chased. New jobs and new companies won't move to anywhere in the CLE metro from outside the region if we're a dysfunctional or shrinking city. And the list goes on. The mayor of Cleveland affects the entire region, not just the city.

 

24 minutes ago, brtshrcegr said:

Yea, naw, neither. But I’m certainly aware, agree, and have experience with the challenges you rightly highlight.  

 

Actually--i missed a scenario. If you're from outside the region-but not California but like Pittsburgh or Columbus--then you might care as well. You'd want Cleveland to fail so your city will benefit from Cleveland's loss as a competitor city. Hence, you'd want someone like Bibb to win so the city can fall apart.

 

11 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Somebody above said a "prepared statement". Sorry if I used the wrong word, but "prepared" statements are usually that--cold, scripted, and not truly from the heart. They can sound warm and kind, but they are often the creation of draft after draft and proofreaders, and the like and often are not even written by the speaker himself. So if he read a prepared statement, who knows what he REALLY thinks. For an event like that, speak from the heart (if it helps you) and take questions with the hurt attendees or don't attend at all. I read somewhere this phrase "BGNC--Bibb's got no clue!" And now I truly agree with it and get it---incompetent, yes, but its because he has no clue as demonstrated by this event and other things he has said.

I made the comment about a prepared statement.  If all that a candidate does is to address an audience with a statement, either printed or memorized, it doesn't show much.  The statement can come from the candidate, press secretary or some other writer.  As stated, it can come after many "drafts" to "sound right" to a target audience.  All it shows the ability to deliver it.  If a candidate willingly does not engage in a question-and-answer session or discussion, could it be that the individual is ill-prepared to deal with questions that might display a greater lack of knowledge about the subject.  Even fools, if they can read, can sound good, but get them "off script" and they get exposed for what they are.

12 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

 

 

Actually--i missed a scenario. If you're from outside the region-but not California but like Pittsburgh or Columbus--then you might care as well. You'd want Cleveland to fail so your city will benefit from Cleveland's loss as a competitor city. Hence, you'd want someone like Bibb to win so the city can fall apart.

 

 

You've made 24 posts on this thread in the last 48 hours.  None of them have done anything to advance the discussion.  This one is particularly childish.  The one you deleted was completely unacceptable, but at least you had the sense to delete it.

 

I know MANY people very passionate about the future of this city.  The vast majority of them are extremely enthusiastic about Bibb and plan to vote for him (or already have).  It's not a bunch of people from Pittsburgh creating burner accounts just to advocate for some mayoral candidate in a seven way primary. Perhaps next time you could put a bit more thought in before clicking "Submit Reply".

12 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

I made the comment about a prepared statement.  If all that a candidate does is to address an audience with a statement, either printed or memorized, it doesn't show much.  The statement can come from the candidate, press secretary or some other writer.  As stated, it can come after many "drafts" to "sound right" to a target audience.  All it shows the ability to deliver it.  If a candidate willingly does not engage in a question-and-answer session or discussion, could it be that the individual is ill-prepared to deal with questions that might display a greater lack of knowledge about the subject.  Even fools, if they can read, can sound good, but get them "off script" and they get exposed for what they are.

 

Well said.

1 minute ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

You've made 24 posts on this thread in the last 48 hours.  None of them have done anything to advance the discussion.  This one is particularly childish.  The one you deleted was completely unacceptable, but at least you had the sense to delete it.

 

I know MANY people very passionate about the future of this city.  The vast majority of them are extremely enthusiastic about Bibb and plan to vote for him (or already have).  It's not a bunch of people from Pittsburgh creating burner accounts just to advocate for some mayoral candidate in a seven way primary. Perhaps next time you could put a bit more thought in before clicking "Submit Reply".

 

Thanks for counting. I guess I've posted so much because this is THE most important issue for the city between now and Sept 14. Jobs, lead, crime, quality of life, education, etc. everything is now on the table and how EVERY pressing issue facing the city will be solved/worsened/improved by who sits in City Hall come January. Hence I'm following the election carefully. I see that Bibb has gotten traction and the PD's endorsement and so I am extremely concerned because he is by far one of the worst candidates to solve this city's issues yet he has been getting serious consideration by people. Hence the stress of the situation--which leads to lots of posts...

19 hours ago, grayfields said:

 

I hope everyone maintains this enthusiasm and interest regardless who wins.  I'm not sure what "cleaning house" looks like in your mind.  But Civil Service protections and collective bargaining agreements makes whole sale terminations impossible. 

 

Civil service protections exist for a reason, but there are ways to handle problem employees. From formal discipline to making them a highly paid paperclip counter.

Redirected from development thread

11 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

I know this isn’t a political thread and I don’t mean to go off topic - (please direct me to the best thread, if appropriate) 
 

But I’m wondering which current mayoral candidate would be most beneficial  in terms of future development, particularly downtown. 

 

Dan Whalen (Intro developer), @misterjoshr (Sustainable Community Associates - projects all over Tremont), and Brent Zimmerman (Saucy Brew Works, Church & State) are all actively campaigning for Bibb.  So that's my bet.  Plus those are developers that are far more vested in the community than the typical developers that people complain about.

 

Basheer Jones has done much better than his predecessor in supporting development in his ward, but he's also been criticized for being mostly talk and not consistently following up.  (And the bar in his ward was set REALLY low.)

On 8/26/2021 at 1:14 AM, Pugu said:

 

I agree--this is very shady. The logic makes absolutely no sense--especially for someone who supposedly went to law school. So he's either cognitively challenged, simply disrespectful of rules, willingly shady, or he  just lacks common sense and judgement. But whichever of the four, it certainly means he is not fit to be mayor.

 

 

That is suspicious too. Did he finish law school? And if he did, maybe he not pass the bar. His website is worded very awkwardly and strangely about this. It says, "He later returned to Cleveland to undertake his J.D. and M.B.A. from Case Western Reserve University." One EARNS a JD or ATTENDS law school--one does not "undertake" a JD.  So, the English usage here is so bizarre, one cannot tell what he is saying. He--perhaps very carefully--doesn't say he obtained his JD from Case, as, if he didn't but suggested he did--could be easily be found out by CWRU itself protesting a false claim.  And if he DID get his JD at Case, why not just say so? Maybe because he failed the bar and doesn't want to be called out on that?

 

 

Old Facebook trick, people say they "attended" a university on their profiles but don't say they graduated.

7 hours ago, Pugu said:

A bizarre article: WEWS:  "Cleveland residents show up for mayoral candidate town hall on gun violence; only 1 candidate appears."

 

The one candidate was Bibb. Kudos to Bibb for at least showing up---apparently Reed and Basheer were also expected, acc. to the article. But the article then quotes and talks about people who attended, but doesn't once ever mention anything Bibb said. Did he not say a word? Or just bad/strange reporting? 

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/cleveland-residents-show-up-for-mayoral-candidate-town-hall-on-gun-violence-only-1-candidate-appears

 

"Gun violence" is a copout term for those who don't want to directly address criminal violence.  Kudos to the candidates who didn't show.

Zack's the best vis a vis that issue purely on 2017 momentum.   Dennis is clearly grandstanding and possibly dog whistling.

I don't think the candidates avoided in protest of the term "gun violence". They probably just didn't care enough to attend.

 

Also, of all the candidates, Reed is abundantly the biggest liability to the city due to his constant criminal behavior. I've got no patience for scum like him, and I don't see why the city/voters keep giving this fool a pass. He's dangerous, selfish, a legitimate bad person.

 

The candidates all basically have the same leftish platform and the same challenges. And realistically, neighborhoods will not be any safer and businesses will likely not expand or move downtown because Kelly, Williams, or the guy who hates women are mayor. I can't forsee any of them talking to a Google or, hell, sole practitioner. They're mostly career politicians and just want that public check.

 

However, a mayor is also an ambassador to the city. He/she represents optimism, enthusiasm, awareness -- and frankly optics are important. It helps a young, good looking black man with a JD/MBA and financial background wants to be mayor. It's refreshing. It also gives people flashbacks to Obama's rise after Ryan got caught going to the French f-k clubs.  Optics excite and motivate people to vote, to stay, and even to invest. This guy can talk to biotech and crypto firms whereas I seriously doubt the others will have that ability. 

 

And Bibb actually showed up when no one else did. That's 90 percent of the battle right there.

Edited August 28, 20213 yr by TBideon
3 black and tans did not help my spelling

18 hours ago, TBideon said:

I don't think the candidates avoided in protest of the term "gun violence". They probably just didn't care enough to attend.

 

Also, of all the candidates, Reed is abundantly the biggest liability to the city due to his constant criminal behavior. I've got no patience for scum like him, and I don't see why the city/voters keep giving this fool a pass. He's dangerous, selfish, a legitimate bad person.

 

The candidates all basically have the same leftish platform and the same challenges. And realistically, neighborhoods will not be any safer and businesses will likely not expand or move downtown because Kelly, Williams, or the guy who hates women are mayor. I can't forsee any of them talking to a Google or, hell, sole practitioner. They're mostly career politicians and just want that public check.

 

However, a mayor is also an ambassador to the city. He/she represents optimism, enthusiasm, awareness -- and frankly optics are important. It helps a young, good looking black man with a JD/MBA and financial background wants to be mayor. It's refreshing. It also gives people flashbacks to Obama's rise after Ryan got caught going to the French f-k clubs.  Optics excite and motivate people to vote, to stay, and even to invest. This guy can talk to biotech and crypto firms whereas I seriously doubt the others will have that ability. 

 

And Bibb actually showed up when no one else did. That's 90 percent of the battle right there.

 

You mean when the media division of the Chicago Machine got ahold of Ryan's sealed divorce records?   One wonders what might have happened had they not.

Would love to hear how Kucinich and Jones supporters try to defend this: https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/democracy-2020/local-politics/five-cleveland-mayoral-candidates-say-theyre-vaccinated-one-says-not-yet-and-another-wont-say

I see tv ads now pretty regularly now for Kevin Kelly.   Looks professional, well done.  Wondering if we'll see anything from any other candidates in terms of TV ads?  Could easily be deciding factor.

On 9/1/2021 at 10:45 AM, gottaplan said:

I see tv ads now pretty regularly now for Kevin Kelly.   Looks professional, well done.  Wondering if we'll see anything from any other candidates in terms of TV ads?  Could easily be deciding factor.

Bibb has been airing ads as well.  Have heard "Don't vote for Kucinich" spots on the radio.

Catholics make strange bedfellows...

 

 

^I didn't get the mailer or know that Quentin James is referring to. Does anyone have it or can point to it?

Kerry McCormack formally endorses Justin Bibb
 

 

^Just lost my respect for Kerry McCormack.

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

^Just lost my respect for Kerry McCormack.

Someone has a different opinion than me. Now I don’t respect them anymore. 

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

^Just lost my respect for Kerry McCormack.

 

lol comeonnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Surprisingly late in the game for an endorsement like this. I wonder how much it will help Bibb since he’s already gonna do well in Kerry’s ward.

 

^Whats the geographic readership of Scene, anyone know? Is it read and distributed everywhere or just younger/hipster neighborhoods?

11 hours ago, Pugu said:

^Whats the geographic readership of Scene, anyone know? Is it read and distributed everywhere or just younger/hipster neighborhoods?

It has broad print distribution. I suspect a large majority of readers don't ever look at print copies though.

20 hours ago, Pugu said:

^Just lost my respect for Kerry McCormack.

 

I, too, hate well formulated opinions that are different than my own. 

Slightly off topic, but is there any polling out there other than this poll from a month ago? Seems crazy that we're a week away and the race still feels wide open.

 

 

I filled out and mailed my absentee ballot with a vote for Justin Bibb today.  

 

For me it comes down to a gamble, but I'm willing to try it over the council people who seem like a vote for the status quo:  bloated city rank and file employees with hideous track records for service, and a police union that is completely demoralized and purposely dragging down response times.    Or Kucinich,  a vote for the status quo 40 years ago, and a Congressman that cared more about running for President than actually delivering for his district.  

 

Let's give Bibb a chance to bring fresh ideas to city hall.  

 

 

13 hours ago, Cleburger said:

I filled out and mailed my absentee ballot with a vote for Justin Bibb today.  

 

For me it comes down to a gamble, but I'm willing to try it over the council people who seem like a vote for the status quo:  bloated city rank and file employees with hideous track records for service, and a police union that is completely demoralized and purposely dragging down response times.    Or Kucinich,  a vote for the status quo 40 years ago, and a Congressman that cared more about running for President than actually delivering for his district.  

 

Let's give Bibb a chance to bring fresh ideas to city hall.  

 

 

 

Fresh ideas are not always good ideas. Bibb is too clueless to run the city in the right direction. He's the young Kucinich of the 2020's except less of a hot head. I realize its too late for your ballot, and those already cast for him, but I hope he finishes #3 or lower....

 

Also--how's this for "fresh ideas"?

 

Should tax dollars be used to upgrade Progressive Field?

Bibb:  Yes

DiBello: No

(source:  WEWS)

 

Welp, you've never had a lengthy conversation with Bibb. I think he's a breath of fresh air. Meanwhile...

 

 

25 minutes ago, KJP said:

Welp, you've never had a lengthy conversation with Bibb. I think he's a breath of fresh air. 

 

A five year old would sound like a fresh air cause he/she is saying things different than 60-year olds. That doesn't mean the five year old should be mayor.

 

LISTEN to what he is saying that is "fresh air"---does it really make sense? I'll give you a transit example since you're a transit guy:  In one interview asked about getting more money to RTA, he said he would fund RTA not by going to the state to get more money---but instead--"installing new tech in parking meters that will bring in millions".  I doubt parking revenues will increase by millions net of what "tech" upgrades will cost. But ultimately the city of cleveland has its own money issues--if it does get net positive parking revenue, it will be used by the city, not handed over to RTA.  Bibb says this because he is CLUELESS about how things really work---and mind you, he was on the RTA Board--which means he's REALLY REALLY CLUELESS. The stuff he says is nonsensical. If given the job, he will be an utter disaster.

 

 

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

 

A five year old would sound like a fresh air cause he/she is saying things different than 60-year olds. That doesn't mean the five year old should be mayor.

 

LISTEN to what he is saying that is "fresh air"---does it really make sense? I'll give you a transit example since you're a transit guy:  In one interview asked about getting more money to RTA, he said he would fund RTA not by going to the state to get more money---but instead--"installing new tech in parking meters that will bring in millions".  I doubt parking revenues will increase by millions net of what "tech" upgrades will cost. But ultimately the city of cleveland has its own money issues--if it does get net positive parking revenue, it will be used by the city, not handed over to RTA.  Bibb says this because he is CLUELESS about how things really work---and mind you, he was on the RTA Board--which means he's REALLY REALLY CLUELESS. The stuff he says is nonsensical. If given the job, he will be an utter disaster.

 

 

 

I'd love to see the source of this. Not being a jerk, just really want to see the source/video/audio.

Nothing wrong with supporting or opposing a candidate, but your reaction is very visceral, and you don't seem to be criticizing the other candidates with anywhere the same vitriol. Reed is a legitimately awful person. Kucinich is a complete joke and political failure.  Jones openly hates women. Williams and Kelley do have that career politician shadow, but I don't have issues with either ultimately.

 

Have you had personal experiences with the guy? 

Edited September 9, 20213 yr by TBideon

3 minutes ago, TBideon said:

Nothing wrong with supporting or opposing a candidate, but your reaction is very visceral, and you don't seem to be criticizing the other candidates with anywhere the same vitriol. Reed is a legitimately awful person. Kucinich is a complete joke and political failure.  Jones openly hates women. Williams and Kelley do have that career politician shadow, but I don't have issues with either ultimately.

 

Have you had personal experiences with the guy? 

 

Seriously, that's all this thread is.

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

 

A five year old would sound like a fresh air cause he/she is saying things different than 60-year olds. That doesn't mean the five year old should be mayor.

 

LISTEN to what he is saying that is "fresh air"---does it really make sense? I'll give you a transit example since you're a transit guy:  In one interview asked about getting more money to RTA, he said he would fund RTA not by going to the state to get more money---but instead--"installing new tech in parking meters that will bring in millions".  I doubt parking revenues will increase by millions net of what "tech" upgrades will cost. But ultimately the city of cleveland has its own money issues--if it does get net positive parking revenue, it will be used by the city, not handed over to RTA.  Bibb says this because he is CLUELESS about how things really work---and mind you, he was on the RTA Board--which means he's REALLY REALLY CLUELESS. The stuff he says is nonsensical. If given the job, he will be an utter disaster.

 

30 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

I'd love to see the source of this. Not being a jerk, just really want to see the source/video/audio.

 

I get it. It sounds so crazy that asking for the source is fully understandable. To me its mind boggling how everyone just gives Bibb a pass on the sh!t he says that makes no sense.   He said it on Nick Castelle's series "After Jackson":

 

"Mayoral Candidate Interviews With Dennis Kucinich And Justin Bibb On "After Jackson" Podcast" 

 

Its at about timestamp 40:56 at https://www.ideastream.org/programs/sound-of-ideas/mayoral-candidate-interviews-with-dennis-kucinich-and-justin-bibb-on-after-jackson-podcast

 

 

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

 

A five year old would sound like a fresh air cause he/she is saying things different than 60-year olds. That doesn't mean the five year old should be mayor.

 

LISTEN to what he is saying that is "fresh air"---does it really make sense? I'll give you a transit example since you're a transit guy:  In one interview asked about getting more money to RTA, he said he would fund RTA not by going to the state to get more money---but instead--"installing new tech in parking meters that will bring in millions".  I doubt parking revenues will increase by millions net of what "tech" upgrades will cost. But ultimately the city of cleveland has its own money issues--if it does get net positive parking revenue, it will be used by the city, not handed over to RTA.  Bibb says this because he is CLUELESS about how things really work---and mind you, he was on the RTA Board--which means he's REALLY REALLY CLUELESS. The stuff he says is nonsensical. If given the job, he will be an utter disaster.

 

 

 

I gave it a listen and found your description to be riddled with lies and hyperbole.

 

You sound like a complete schill, give it up already.

1 minute ago, Clefan98 said:

 

I gave it a listen and found your description to be riddled with lies and hyperbole.

 

You sound like a complete schill, give it up already.

 

wow....people hear what they want to hear. I recommend you listen again and keep an open mind. He said what he said.

4 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

wow....people hear what they want to hear. I recommend you listen again and keep an open mind. He said what he said.

 

I recommend you do the same.

 

(Funding RTA) "we need more money from the state"  was his exact wording, so there is one lie you told.

 

The other was parking....he mentioned ONE area to raise funding was possibly increasing parking rates downtown. Ummm you do realize other cities are doing this same thing right now!

6 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

I gave it a listen and found your description to be riddled with lies and hyperbole.

 

You sound like a complete schill, give it up already.

This whole discussion focus too much on Bibb.

 

I listened to Bibb's comments based on your characterization of Pugu's comments as 'lies and hyperbole.' There's a difference between disagreeing with how someone chooses to characterize something and calling them a liar. He's not lying (though I would say it's much ado about nothing).

 

The interview is cut up in a weird way which separates out the point about state funding and parking meters. The temperature in this thread needs to be lowered. 

Thanks Ethan!  I did listen again and did now hear the part about state funding. Ethan's right is all cut up in a weird way. I did not hear it before. But the parking meter stuff is there and is baffling. I'm certainly not a liar---if I was a liar I certainly would not add a link and a timestamp!

 

Anyways, hopefully only six more days of this---then its down to the top two!

Edited September 9, 20213 yr by Pugu

2 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

 In one interview asked about getting more money to RTA, he said he would fund RTA not by going to the state to get more money

 

 

 

@EthanHow is this not a lie when Bibb clearly says the state needs to provide more funding?

Edited September 9, 20213 yr by Clefan98

Just now, Clefan98 said:

 

@EthanHow is this not a lie when Bibb clearly statst that the state needs to provide more funding?

Generally you should always assume the most charitable interpretation of anyone's comments. You don't have enough of a smoking gun to credibly suggest intentionality. It's entirely plausible he missed it didn't connect the state funding point. On the internet, proper manners and etiquette become more important not less. :)

3 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Generally you should always assume the most charitable interpretation of anyone's comments. You don't have enough of a smoking gun to credibly suggest intentionality. It's entirely plausible he missed it didn't connect the state funding point. On the internet, proper manners and etiquette become more important not less. :)

 

The smoking gun is his last 300 posts belittling and saying false things about a candidate he knows little to nothing about.

 

Thank you.

 

 

Edited September 9, 20213 yr by Clefan98

5 hours ago, Pugu said:

Should tax dollars be used to upgrade Progressive Field?

Bibb:  Yes

DiBello: No

(source:  WEWS)

 

Bibb is being honest. 

 

The others?  They will tell you (while campaigning) "hell no."  But once in office they realize that they are the landlord and don't want to lose the tenant and along with them, the city pride.   So think what you want, but any one of those candidates would be putting tax dollars into the stadiums.   There is too much at stake.   

DiBello can say whatever he wants, he's also raised like $4,000 and has zero name recognition to most folks. I agree with some of his points but at this point he's far from a contender, honestly I'm surprised he's stuck in this for so long.

The discussion on RTA that each mayoral candidate should be having goes far beyond funding (or running buses through/around Public Square).  It should be accountability and the future of the agency.  The mayor of Cleveland is responsible for naming 4 of the 10 members of RTA's Board of Trustees.  In recent history, two of those four members were far more interested in what being a board member did for them.  Dixon was initially appointed by White and continued to serve on the board under Campbell and then Jackson.  He continued to serve terms on the board totaling 26 years with the last 24 as board president.  He only resigned when his abuse of medical coverage and cell phone usage was exposed.  One of Jackson's appointees was "double-dipping" by getting paid by the city and receiving a salary for being a board member.

 

Four out of ten carries a tremendous amount of weight in votes.  The board continued to reward the general manager with contract extensions, pay raises and bonuses.  They rubber-stamped policies and decisions year after year.  All along, the agency was eroding away its service, reliability, accountability and passengers.  They never had the insight to start asking questions until the problems became so  massive that the public took note.  The system could not even put together a bidding process correctly for the next rail car purchase; something that will have long-ranging impact for decades.

 

I want to know what the next mayor will do about this.  What kind of people does the mayor want to serve on the board, what are their qualifications and will they held accountable?  More importantly, what does the next mayor want to see happen with RTA now and in the future.  More money, regardless of the source (state, parking meters, Federal, sale tax increase, new property tax or wherever), is meaningless if nobody is at the wheel of the bus and the bus is heading quickly towards a cliff.

8 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

A five year old would sound like a fresh air cause he/she is saying things different than 60-year olds. That doesn't mean the five year old should be mayor.

 

LISTEN to what he is saying that is "fresh air"---does it really make sense? I'll give you a transit example since you're a transit guy:  In one interview asked about getting more money to RTA, he said he would fund RTA not by going to the state to get more money---but instead--"installing new tech in parking meters that will bring in millions".  I doubt parking revenues will increase by millions net of what "tech" upgrades will cost. But ultimately the city of cleveland has its own money issues--if it does get net positive parking revenue, it will be used by the city, not handed over to RTA.  Bibb says this because he is CLUELESS about how things really work---and mind you, he was on the RTA Board--which means he's REALLY REALLY CLUELESS. The stuff he says is nonsensical. If given the job, he will be an utter disaster.

 

 

 

Perhaps you should learn more Parking Access and Revenue Control Systems with software in the very parking equipment the city may adopt?

Or about cities that have departments of transportation? or that those departments fund mulitmodal transportaiton, including transit?

Or about the likelihood of getting more urban transit money from a state that is dominated by rural and exurban politicians?

As a former GCRTA board member, he learned about these things first hand.

 

He knows a lot more about them than you do. He has earned his opinion of them. You haven't.