Thanks checking it out!  

23 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

You must not live in Cleveland.  The city doesn't "function."   It reacts.  To everything.   

 

Even the most basic services require constituents begging their council people to get things done.   I am voting for Bibb in the hopes that he cleans house and tries to change the status quo.  

 

That hasn't been my experience, but I live on the west side where, in general, things are better than some East Side areas. I've lived in the city my entire life and watched it decline year after year. Around five years ago, I'd say things looked like we finally hit the bottom. We were finally at a turning point. Yes, even under Jackson. That's why I find Bibb so frightening. If he wins today, that upward momentum that we finally got after 50 or 60 years will disappear and we will return to the downward trend. And then who knows how far it will go. If he wins, I may seriously look at selling my house as soon as possible as the value will begin to decrease. I have two more years before I can retire, after that I may leave Cleveland altogether and head to North Carolina or something as the mess from the city will spill into the suburbs as well.

42 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

All his campaign filings have been for 1717 E. 9th St., your hate for Bibb is something else and really, really tiring.

 

I don't hate Bibb. I think he would be an absolute disaster as mayor and that would really hurt the city. But I have absolutely no hatred for him (or anyone) personally.

9 hours ago, Pugu said:

Bibb lives on the 29th floor of the Lumen? Yeah, he's a man of the people.

 

50 minutes ago, GISguy said:

All his campaign filings have been for 1717 E. 9th St...

 

So? Bibb also filed on a legal ethics disclosure form when RTA wanted to know what money he was getting from where in addition to the money he was getting from RTA and he completed the form to show that he had no other sources of money than what he was getting from RTA as a board member. It was completely untrue. (And if you believe that a former Key Bank employee with a CWRU law degree doesn't quite understand how to fill out a financial disclosure form, which is what Bibb claimed when he got busted, then, well, you likely don't want to see the truth.)

 

So, who knows where re really lives vs what he's telling people. Maybe he tells people the Lumen to impress certain people. Or maybe he actually lives there. Or maybe he did and just moved out. I don't know where Bibb lives. I had just heard it was the Lumen, and never heard that before so thought I would share. Either way, Lumen or 1717 E. 9 (former East Ohio Gas Bldg), both are high-rent places, not quite the poor, struggling Mt. Pleasant story he aligns himself to to voters.

 

10 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

 

So? Bibb also filed on a legal ethics disclosure form when RTA wanted to know what money he was getting from where in addition to the money he was getting from RTA and he completed the form to show that he had no other sources of money than what he was getting from RTA as a board member. It was completely untrue. (And if you believe that a former Key Bank employee with a CWRU law degree doesn't quite understand how to fill out a financial disclosure form, which is what Bibb claimed when he got busted, then, well, you likely don't want to see the truth.)

 

So, who knows where re really lives vs what he's telling people. Maybe he tells people the Lumen to impress certain people. Or maybe he actually lives there. Or maybe he did and just moved out. I don't know where Bibb lives. I had just heard it was the Lumen, and never heard that before so thought I would share. Either way, Lumen or 1717 E. 9 (former East Ohio Gas Bldg), both are high-rent places, not quite the poor, struggling Mt. Pleasant story he aligns himself to to voters.

 

You literally sound like a conspiracy theorist. Enjoy North Carolina.

10 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

I don't know where Bibb lives.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

 

So? Bibb also filed on a legal ethics disclosure form when RTA wanted to know what money he was getting from where in addition to the money he was getting from RTA and he completed the form to show that he had no other sources of money than what he was getting from RTA as a board member. It was completely untrue. (And if you believe that a former Key Bank employee with a CWRU law degree doesn't quite understand how to fill out a financial disclosure form, which is what Bibb claimed when he got busted, then, well, you likely don't want to see the truth.)

 

So, who knows where re really lives vs what he's telling people. Maybe he tells people the Lumen to impress certain people. Or maybe he actually lives there. Or maybe he did and just moved out. I don't know where Bibb lives. I had just heard it was the Lumen, and never heard that before so thought I would share. Either way, Lumen or 1717 E. 9 (former East Ohio Gas Bldg), both are high-rent places, not quite the poor, struggling Mt. Pleasant story he aligns himself to to voters.

 

 

I think the point is that he's from Mt Pleasant and is a (relative) success story. 

 

All of these grievances seem personal, though, more than anything substantive. Just because Mark Cuban made billions doesn't negate the fact that he came from relatively modest means? I'm not sure what your grievance is, but it seems personal. 

42 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said:

You literally sound like a conspiracy theorist. Enjoy North Carolina.

 

Yeah, call someone a conspiracy theorist when you don't like the information presented. It was even on cleveland.com--or are you claiming the PD is fake news?

 

Cleveland mayoral candidate Justin Bibb underreported income sources for 3 years in state ethics disclosure filings

 

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2021/08/cleveland-mayoral-candidate-justin-bibb-underreported-income-sources-for-3-years-in-state-ethics-disclosure-filings.html

 

 

40 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I think the point is that he's from Mt Pleasant and is a (relative) success story. 

 

All of these grievances seem personal, though, more than anything substantive. Just because Mark Cuban made billions doesn't negate the fact that he came from relatively modest means? I'm not sure what your grievance is, but it seems personal. 

 

Its only personal in that the city in which I love and lived in all my life is threatened. The substantive points I've made are generally ignored here, or people can't understand them. They are provided by Bibb himself when he opens his mouth. That last debate was very demonstrative of his cluelessness though Bibbers refuse to see it and instead spin the debate as Kelley condescension.

7 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Yeah, call someone a conspiracy theorist when you don't like the information presented. It was even on cleveland.com--or are you claiming the PD is fake news?

 

Cleveland mayoral candidate Justin Bibb underreported income sources for 3 years in state ethics disclosure filings

 

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2021/08/cleveland-mayoral-candidate-justin-bibb-underreported-income-sources-for-3-years-in-state-ethics-disclosure-filings.html

 

 

I know that story. You are blowing it out proportion like everything Bibb. As for your discussion on where he lives and how the city will crumble due to him becoming mayor, that is some conspiracy level stuff. Yet, here you are sounding like a broken record again and continue to state that anyone voting for Bibb is clueless. I don't think you voting for Kelly is clueless, but your reasoning is over the top and that is why we continue to call you out on it. "Substantive points", yeah in the eye of the beholder only. I have no idea what Bibb did to piss you off this much.

I'm just happy this is over after today.

31 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said:

I'm just happy this is over after today.

 

The direct mailing companies aren't lol. My mail person is going to be bored when this is all said and done.

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

 

Its only personal in that the city in which I love and lived in all my life is threatened. The substantive points I've made are generally ignored here, or people can't understand them. They are provided by Bibb himself when he opens his mouth. That last debate was very demonstrative of his cluelessness though Bibbers refuse to see it and instead spin the debate as Kelley condescension.

I fear that positions that Bibb is taking will be impossible to carry out.  Supporting Issue 24 will negatively impact the size of the police department.  Yes, the bad police officers need to go and potential bad ones never get hired in the first place.  However, it will make the remaining good officers second-guess every action.  If it comes down to it, they may not take action or hesitate out of self-preservation.  If it triggers more attrition, his goal of expanding the police department becomes all the more, if not impossible to meet.  This city has seen the results of a diminished police department in both size and effectiveness.  How long before burnout from overwork and stress takes a bigger toll?  How much harder will it be to attract new potential officers?  Even if people aren't directly impacted as being crime victims, they will pay for it in increased insurance rates.

 

As a side note, it is interesting that the region's largest "news" publication has re-adopted its omission of the homicide count in news stories.  The count has been gone for many weeks.  Even news items reporting on various incidents are frequently appear days afterwards, while other news outlets have reported the events days earlier.  

Just looking at turnout numbers so far, I think this is going to be pretty close.  Kelly getting a big turnout in his bases of West Park and OB.  Vote totals in Bibb's base (Ward 3 and 15) are a few-thousand behind.  The west side in general may end up only ~2k behind the east side in terms of raw vote.  

 

 

Let the celebration begin!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 20213 yr by Boomerang_Brian
Added Kelley concession

Does anyone know which swanky downtown apartment building Justin Bibb lives in? I want to send him some congratulatory cookies. 

Bibb is now Mayor elect of Cleveland!🎊🥳🎊

An end of a long era, a great day, no matter how you voted. May Cleveland’s motto ring true again– to progress and prosperity. 

3 minutes ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Bibb is now Mayor elect of Cleveland!🎊🥳🎊

 

I'm very disappointed, but it was the outcome I expected given the primary results. I hope he proves my fears wrong.

The national reporting I’m seeing is all along the lines of “Progressive Bibb beats moderate Kelley.” I think that’s not a very accurate representation of what’s really been at play in the race and represents the national media’s need to make any story fit in a neat box.

1 minute ago, LlamaLawyer said:

The national reporting I’m seeing is all along the lines of “Progressive Bibb beats moderate Kelley.” I think that’s not a very accurate representation of what’s really been at play in the race and represents the national media’s need to make any story fit in a neat box.

 

Yeah, they're awful.

Bibb: “I’m going to serve you well; lead you with honesty, integrity, and transparency. Because those aren’t buzz words. Those are values.”  Nailed it. (End of acceptance speech.)

Wow, those are BIG margins of victory

 

 

 

 

Now that's what you call a well deserved ass whooping.
 

Cheers to a new era in Cleveland!!

Love this picture:

 

10 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

I'm very disappointed, but it was the outcome I expected given the primary results. I hope he proves my fears wrong.

 

If he hires good people for his cabinet, he will.

10 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

The national reporting I’m seeing is all along the lines of “Progressive Bibb beats moderate Kelley.” I think that’s not a very accurate representation of what’s really been at play in the race and represents the national media’s need to make any story fit in a neat box.

So happy for the city and for Justin. The margin of victory hopefully sends the message that this won't be the old city government we've been stuck with. The national headlines are doing a disservice to Bibb before he can even get his foot in the door. He's a smart, young person that passionately cares about the city. He's not a political talking head, labeling him a progressive is garbage. 

12 minutes ago, Dr_nkBear said:

So happy for the city and for Justin. The margin of victory hopefully sends the message that this won't be the old city government we've been stuck with. The national headlines are doing a disservice to Bibb before he can even get his foot in the door. He's a smart, young person that passionately cares about the city. He's not a political talking head, labeling him a progressive is garbage. 

Add in that City Council is ~1/3 new members and a new Council President. A lot to be optimistic about. 

Why is "progressive" a bad description of Bibb?

6 minutes ago, KJP said:

Why is "progressive" a bad description of Bibb?

It's not that it's bad, it's lazy. He's more than that. Dumbing down our politicians into catch phrases holds them back from being judged for their actual ideas and beliefs. It's just an easy way for media to group everything into their cute little storylines to keep everything the same. And everyone arguing.

Looks like Cleveland and Cincinnati both went for younger leadership in mayor races. We are excited for Aftab in Cincinnati, hopefully Bibb can be energy needed in Cleveland. 

@Dr_nkBearI think it's more basic to media logistics. I called him "progressive" in a tweet this morning due to lack of space in the tweet. And when I worked at a newspaper, we had very tight restrictions on headlines and column inches for our stories, since the ads get put in the paper first. We just filled in the holes between the ads. So when I wrote headlines, I would have only one or two lines with perhaps 40 characters in it and we couldn't leave more than one or two spaces open at the end of any headline. So we had to use a choice of words that fit the space and not just summarized the article. And since the election night newspapers were already laid out, I spent more time editing my articles down in size to fit open spaces than I did in writing them in the first place. So it's not just as simple as the media trying to oversimplify, although that certainly does take place. Mass media is pretty much an assembly line. The more copy you crank out in less time, the better. There is seldom time or space available for more thoughtful analysis.

46 minutes ago, KJP said:

Why is "progressive" a bad description of Bibb?

I don't think it's a "bad" description of Bibb. I just think it gives someone who has no knowledge about the race the wrong impression on what it's really about. I think the race was more about experience and building on the status quo versus energy and vision. In a strict sense, perhaps that's "progressive versus moderate." But the national discourse is such that when somebody from Virginia reading about their election who happens to see a footnote about Cleveland sees "progressive versus moderate" they picture AOC versus Joe Manchin, or perhaps if they know a bit about Cleveland politics Shontel Brown versus Nina Turner. The only issue that Bibb and Kelley disagree on that falls into the national level narratives is issue 24. Other issues like the fate of Burke, or public comment at meetings, or how to balance the interests of east and west side neighborhoods really don't fit into a national "progressive versus moderate" framework.

11 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

I'm very disappointed, but it was the outcome I expected given the primary results. I hope he proves my fears wrong.

I liked what I heard of Kelley's concession speech, and I hope his promise to work with Bibb and the new city council is literal, not figurative. He has a lot of experience and knowledge that he can contribute.

On 9/15/2021 at 8:15 PM, LlamaLawyer said:

^ To use a bit of math to back up the above, if you assume that Bibb and Kelley will continue to get the same relative share of votes in each ward and the turnout at the general will be the same as the primary (i.e. if Bibb gets twice as many votes as Kelley in a ward in the primary you assume Bibb will win two thirds of that ward in the general; if Kelley gets three times as many votes in a ward in the primary, you assume Kelley will win 75% of that ward in the general) you get the following vote totals:

 

Ward 1 B: 2257, K 901

Ward 2 B: 1588, K 501

Ward 3 B: 2481, K 563

Ward 4 B: 1966, K 539

Ward 5 B 755, K 361

Ward 6 B 1457, K 514

Ward 7 B 1240, K 656

Ward 8 B 1583, K 956

Ward 9 B 1369, K 574

Ward 10 B 1181, K 589

Ward 11 B 837, K 869

Ward 12 B 885, K 1260

Ward 13 B 688, K 2191

Ward 14 B 404, K 524

Ward 15 B 2057, K 618

Ward 16 B 837, K 231

Ward 17 B 2101, K 2652

 

Overall, Bibb would win about 60.5% to 39.5%. 

 

So Kelley needs to find a way to beat Bibb in the wards where he lost to Bibb in the primary, and I'm not sure how he can do that without endorsements.

I'm amused that my back-of-napkin thought experiment ended up quite close to the final result. Bibb won 62.9% to 37.1%.

58 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

Looks like Cleveland and Cincinnati both went for younger leadership in mayor races. We are excited for Aftab in Cincinnati, hopefully Bibb can be energy needed in Cleveland. 

Hope Aftab brings the same to Cinci!

 

And hopefully we'll finally be joining you in the Mayor's Alliance!

I hope my vote does not go to waste.

 

I hope young people across the city engage with this Mayor and county electors work with him to improve the heart of Cuyahoga County.  

 

17 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

I'm amused that my back-of-napkin thought experiment ended up quite close to the final result. Bibb won 62.9% to 37.1%.

 

Bibb got a higher percentage of the vote than Lyndon Johnson in 1964, the all-time highest vote share in presidential history. (61.1%)

Well my prediction of a close election was... not good, lol.  Did not see Bibb winning 80/20 on the east side, but probably should have given Kelley's awful performance there in the primary.  I'm hopeful that Bibb will help bring some meaningful improvements to life in Cleveland.

 

8 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

I hope my vote does not go to waste.

 

I hope young people across the city engage with this Mayor and county electors work with him to improve the heart of Cuyahoga County.  

 

Millennial here and I woke up feeling very optimistic today. Not exactly the council results I was hoping for but still, I think old timers (and political families for that matter) that cling to their fiefdoms within the city should take note. 

 

I was impressed with Justin from @mack34's initial invite/event, and hope he can act on his ideas.

 

I look forward to basic changes (website!!) and major changes (city departmental shuffling, new cabinet, etc.) that will come about. I have hope that in four years we'll have moved the city much closer to where it should be. 

58 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

I don't think it's a "bad" description of Bibb. I just think it gives someone who has no knowledge about the race the wrong impression on what it's really about. I think the race was more about experience and building on the status quo versus energy and vision. In a strict sense, perhaps that's "progressive versus moderate." But the national discourse is such that when somebody from Virginia reading about their election who happens to see a footnote about Cleveland sees "progressive versus moderate" they picture AOC versus Joe Manchin, or perhaps if they know a bit about Cleveland politics Shontel Brown versus Nina Turner. The only issue that Bibb and Kelley disagree on that falls into the national level narratives is issue 24. Other issues like the fate of Burke, or public comment at meetings, or how to balance the interests of east and west side neighborhoods really don't fit into a national "progressive versus moderate" framework.

 

 

I see your point. Buffalo's mayoral race was basically another rematch of the 2016 Democratic primary, whereas here Bibb won the leftists and even the endorsement of Our Revolution, but also had a bigger tent coalition than just the leftists... Hence his victory. I think he's got extremely savvy political instincts to be able to thread that needle. The Obama comparisons are again appropriate here.

 

He is clearly progressive but the national media labeling him as Progressive™ could lead to some people drawing inaccurate conclusions. Doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things, but the national media is terrible.

Edited November 3, 20213 yr by mu2010

22 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

I fear that positions that Bibb is taking will be impossible to carry out.  Supporting Issue 24 will negatively impact the size of the police department.  Yes, the bad police officers need to go and potential bad ones never get hired in the first place.  However, it will make the remaining good officers second-guess every action.  If it comes down to it, they may not take action or hesitate out of self-preservation.  If it triggers more attrition, his goal of expanding the police department becomes all the more, if not impossible to meet.  This city has seen the results of a diminished police department in both size and effectiveness.  How long before burnout from overwork and stress takes a bigger toll?  How much harder will it be to attract new potential officers?  Even if people aren't directly impacted as being crime victims, they will pay for it in increased insurance rates.

 

As a side note, it is interesting that the region's largest "news" publication has re-adopted its omission of the homicide count in news stories.  The count has been gone for many weeks.  Even news items reporting on various incidents are frequently appear days afterwards, while other news outlets have reported the events days earlier.  

 

Agree, but also that Issue 24 was authored by the ultra sleezy Subodh Chandra. 

11 minutes ago, mu2010 said:

 

 

I see your point. Buffalo's mayoral race was basically another rematch of the 2016 Democratic primary, whereas here Bibb won the leftists and even the endorsement of Our Revolution, but also had a bigger tent coalition than just the leftists... Hence his victory. I think he's got extremely savvy political instincts to be able to thread that needle. The Obama comparisons are again appropriate here.

 

He is clearly progressive but the national media labeling him as Progressive™ could lead to some people drawing inaccurate conclusions. Doesn't really matter much in the grand scheme of things, but the national media is terrible.

The coalition you mention is a good illustration of my point. I mean, Bibb got the endorsement of freaking Crains Cleveland Business. He also used to work as an executive at the largest bank in the city. Definitely not an anti-business candidate or platform.

13 hours ago, roman totale XVII said:

Does anyone know which swanky downtown apartment building Justin Bibb lives in? I want to send him some congratulatory cookies. 

 

https://www.residencesat1717.com/

On 11/2/2021 at 9:26 AM, GISguy said:

 

All his campaign filings have been for 1717 E. 9th St., your hate for Bibb is something else and really, really tiring.

 

Not a big difference between the two.

23 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

I fear that positions that Bibb is taking will be impossible to carry out.  Supporting Issue 24 will negatively impact the size of the police department.  Yes, the bad police officers need to go and potential bad ones never get hired in the first place.  However, it will make the remaining good officers second-guess every action.  If it comes down to it, they may not take action or hesitate out of self-preservation.  If it triggers more attrition, his goal of expanding the police department becomes all the more, if not impossible to meet.  This city has seen the results of a diminished police department in both size and effectiveness.  How long before burnout from overwork and stress takes a bigger toll?  How much harder will it be to attract new potential officers?  Even if people aren't directly impacted as being crime victims, they will pay for it in increased insurance rates.

 

As a side note, it is interesting that the region's largest "news" publication has re-adopted its omission of the homicide count in news stories.  The count has been gone for many weeks.  Even news items reporting on various incidents are frequently appear days afterwards, while other news outlets have reported the events days earlier.  

It's already been happening all year. We are all burnt out from being mandated all the time. There are 425 officers who can retire today, I think some of them will choose to walk away. There's a handful of younger officers who will leave to open suburban jobs they wouldn't even have considered two years ago.

 

I'm pretty leftist and I'm gonna tell you right now it's not the bad officers who are leaving (those guys cant get hired anywhere else).  It's most of the good officers who don't think they can police anymore and don't want to get hung up on charges for making what they thought was the best decision at the time. 

 

I'm personally going to stick it out, but it's going to be rough because we can't even find enough people to do take the test. I just wish my fellow Democrats would put their money where their mouth is and join. 

 

The irony of it is that issue 24 is going to have a far larger impact on swaths of victims, particularly black victims, than any perceived or real police brutality going on. 

 

Also I don't speak for the city and bla bla bla statement I need to make about my remarks. These are all my own personal opinions. 

 

Also the homicide count is going to push 200 this year. 

Edited November 3, 20213 yr by KFM44107

Agreed with your comments on the bad cops. But all of these “large impacts” you mentioned are the result of a police department that has a pattern of abuse with no checks/balances finally having to finally answer to the people who find their paychecks? Lol. A cleveland cop literally jumped and beat the crap out of another cop and still has a job. I digress.

Edited November 3, 20213 yr by Clefan14

10 minutes ago, KFM44107 said:

It's already been happening all year. We are all burnt out from being mandated all the time. There are 425 officers who can retire today, I think some of them will choose to walk away. There's a handful of younger officers who will leave to open suburban jobs they wouldn't even have considered two years ago.

 

I'm pretty leftist and I'm gonna tell you right now it's not the bad officers who are leaving (those guys cant get hired anywhere else).  It's most of the good officers who don't think they can police anymore and don't want to get hung up on charges for making what they thought was the best decision at the time. 

 

I'm personally going to stick it out, but it's going to be rough because we can't even find enough people to do take the test. I just wish my fellow Democrats would put their money where their mouth is and join. 

 

The irony of it is that issue 24 is going to have a far larger impact on swaths of victims, particularly black victims, than any perceived or real police brutality going on. 

 

Also I don't speak for the city and bla bla bla statement I need to make about my remarks. These are all my own personal opinions. 

 

Also the homicide count is going to push 200 this year. 

Well a certain group of people got what they wanted.  They use tunnel vision to group all police together even though relatively few fall into the bad category.  Wondering how many who were calling for Issue 24's passage will be crying out for more and better police protection/presence that just won't be there.  Imagine that the clearing rate for all types of crime will plummet as well.  It will only allow more criminals who could have been caught now being able to commit more crimes.

 

Concerning the homicide count, it isn't surprising that the number you cite could end up being the count at the end of the year.  I strongly believe that the "agenda" to pass Issue 24 is the reason behind the omission of that terrible total by the supporters of that issue in the media (with one outlet in particular in mind).  What is scary is to think that 200 could be low compared to what may happen in future years.

 

Just hope that due to decreasing staffing, you and your fellow good officers don't suffer the consequences where you end up too burned out to continue or worse because there will be fewer and fewer of you to do the job.

45 minutes ago, Clefan14 said:

Agreed with your comments on the bad cops. But all of these “large impacts” you mentioned are the result of a police department that has a pattern of abuse with no checks/balances finally having to finally answer to the people who find their paychecks? Lol. A cleveland cop literally jumped and beat the crap out of another cop and still has a job. I digress.

 

27 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Well a certain group of people got what they wanted.  They use tunnel vision to group all police together even though relatively few fall into the bad category.  Wondering how many who were calling for Issue 24's passage will be crying out for more and better police protection/presence that just won't be there.  Imagine that the clearing rate for all types of crime will plummet as well.  It will only allow more criminals who could have been caught now being able to commit more crimes.

 

Concerning the homicide count, it isn't surprising that the number you cite could end up being the count at the end of the year.  I strongly believe that the "agenda" to pass Issue 24 is the reason behind the omission of that terrible total by the supporters of that issue in the media (with one outlet in particular in mind).  What is scary is to think that 200 could be low compared to what may happen in future years.

 

Just hope that due to decreasing staffing, you and your fellow good officers don't suffer the consequences where you end up too burned out to continue or worse because there will be fewer and fewer of you to do the job.

I think we will be alright. I'm not even worried about me anyway, that's not the point of me posting. I'm trying to explain how bad response times to things are going to be for situations we can actually effectively respond to and help.

 

The things you talk about like Homicide and Aggravated Robbery and GTMV we generally are a reactive department that gets the bad guys later (though sometimes pretty quickly), but there are stuff where we have good success rates for on the spot. 

 

For example, Domestic Violence is our number one priority call. 95 percent of my arrests are for Domestic Violence, and that's probably true of most officers. 

 

How would you like to be a female waiting thirty minutes for an officer to respond while a male holds you hostage and physically abuses you? It's happened more often due to staffing issues. It's only going to get worse. 

 

By the way I figured it's important to tell you that if I had a vote I would.havw voted for Bibb. Kelly is just more of the same. 

 

Edited November 3, 20213 yr by KFM44107

@KFM44107 appreciate you sharing your perspective and experience.