7 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

I look forward to meeting you. We need that legendary UO bat signal. Me: middle-aged 6’ white guy with a horrendous covid ponytail. 

 

30something 5 foot something white guy with no COVID ponytail, but definitely longer hair than I had pre-COVID...

34 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

I look forward to meeting you. We need that legendary UO bat signal. Me: middle-aged 6’ white guy with a horrendous covid ponytail. 

 

I'm 31, 6'2" and have a wife substantially better looking than me. 

20 hours ago, mu2010 said:

 

Doesn't change my Bibb support, makes me like Zack Reed more. I was not a Reed fan in 2017 (thought he didn't really have a good argument against Frank unfortunately, his whole campaign was catchphrases like "Safety!" and "Hire more cops!" without actual serious discussion of those issues) but I've warmed up to him this campaign season. Partially just because you see the guy everywhere around town and he has just seemed like a good guy to me this time around. Then he makes the right decision with his endorsement.  👏

 

I have also seen Reed all over town for years... have to give him credit for at least not being asleep in his office.  I thought his Burke proposal was worth listening to as well.  

 

From a purely strategic perspective, I think Reed moves the needle more than Jones.  His center of support (south-east side of Cleveland) has higher turnout than Jones's.

20 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

I look forward to meeting you. We need that legendary UO bat signal. Me: middle-aged 6’ white guy with a horrendous covid ponytail. 

 

Jealous of all of yinz getting together - I'm headed out of town otherwise I'd be there too! Be sure to post some notes up in here. Really seems like it'll be a great event.

1 hour ago, ML11 said:

From a purely strategic perspective, I think Reed moves the needle more than Jones.  His center of support (south-east side of Cleveland) has higher turnout than Jones's.

 

I agree. With Bibb being from that part of town as well, and having Reed's blessing, Bibb should do very well down there. 

Edited September 30, 20213 yr by mu2010

On 9/29/2021 at 10:51 AM, Pugu said:

Just curious, for you Bibbers, does Zach Reed's endorsement make you support Bibb more or less?

 

I mildly supported Reed and am still unwilling to vote for either remaining candidate.   One's a tool of the current system, one is a salesman with zero executive/management experience.   I'd give Kelley the edge because each councilman is often a mini mayor of sorts.   If I didn't feel he was 100% "business as usual".  

Reed, like Polensek, would have endorsed Mason Rudolph over Kelley.  Let's keep that in mind.

This one will be a big deal for whoever gets it.

^I agree. I would be shocked if they endorsed Bibb, but I know he's fooled a lot of people--a good number on this forum to boot. i hope Crain's as a respected paper can see through it and see the real threat that Bibb that represents.

1 hour ago, E Rocc said:

 

I mildly supported Reed and am still unwilling to vote for either remaining candidate.   One's a tool of the current system, one is a salesman with zero executive/management experience.   I'd give Kelley the edge because each councilman is often a mini mayor of sorts.   If I didn't feel he was 100% "business as usual".  

Reed, like Polensek, would have endorsed Mason Rudolph over Kelley.  Let's keep that in mind.

 

I would encourage you to vote and to vote for Kelley. I agree he may be heavily 'business as usual' but that is far better than the mess that Bibb will make while he is thinking he's doing good. He's far too inexperienced--given his resume and evidenced by the words that come out of his mouth when he talks. At best he'd be 10% effective. But that's not the end of it--he will do dangerous things and be coerced by specific interests with no ability to resist or even know he's being swindled. That's how clueless he is and he will surround himself by a clueless cabinet that help put in office. I'm not a big Kelley proponent either, but I am voting for him to help reduce the risk of Bibb being elected. The old saying, "the devil you know is better the devil you don't know" really applies here.

The reporting from both Cleveland.com here and The Land here on how Kelly operates as council president is concerning. Not only is he in lockstep with the Jackson administration but "business as usual" seems to be his MO. What's more concerning, he doesn't seem at all interested in involving any outside parties in the governing process. 

1 hour ago, Luke_S said:

The reporting from both Cleveland.com here and The Land here on how Kelly operates as council president is concerning. Not only is he in lockstep with the Jackson administration but "business as usual" seems to be his MO. What's more concerning, he doesn't seem at all interested in involving any outside parties in the governing process. 

A vote for Kelly is a vote for Frank Jackson Term V.     

Kevin had every opportunity to try to make a difference as president of council and instead sat on his hands and maintained the status quo.    City services are abysmal and he had a large part in creating this culture over the past years.    I am taking my chances with Bibb.  I hope his first decision is to clean house of all the Jackson cronies running city departments and actually get productivity back from city workers.  

I watched the Town Hall on YouTube and Kelly knows the issues, but has not demonstrated the leadership to be able to drive and execute progressive solutions to the issues the city faces.  He is a nice guy, but I find him to be virtually the same old Cleveland politics and feel the city would benefit from a fresh perspective.   I do not see Kelly connecting with black east side residents or pushing the city forward to be more competitive with peer cities.  Conversely, I do see Bibb connecting with west side and younger residents well.   

ideastream: Prominent Cleveland Pastors Endorse Justin Bibb For Mayor.

 

https://www.ideastream.org/news/prominent-cleveland-pastors-endorse-justin-bibb-for-mayor

 

Dozens of well-known Black pastors endorsed Justin Bibb’s candidacy for Cleveland mayor on Thursday.

 

The group included Revs. Otis Moss Jr. and E. T. Caviness, two prominent religious leaders in the city whose support is often sought out by political candidates. In a brief speech full of historical and Biblical allusions, Moss – who is 86 – waved away criticisms of the 34-year-old mayoral candidate’s age.

 

“If anybody should meet you today or tomorrow or any time and want to have a discussion about age, sit down with them in love and history, present and future,” Moss said. “Tell them that Joan of Arc at 19 changed the history of Europe. Caleb at 85 said, ‘Give me this mountain.’ Tell them that Martin Luther King Jr. at 26 became the moral conscience of our nation.”

6 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

The old saying, "the devil you know is better the devil you don't know" really applies here.

Disagree with this sentiment.  How does this way of thinking help in a democratic vote?  Maybe your comments fit right in the spirit of a free wheeling political debate, but to me it seems a bit over the top without any real concrete examples supporting your position.  

Edited October 1, 20213 yr by DO_Summers
punctuation

1 hour ago, DO_Summers said:

Disagree with this sentiment.  How does this way of thinking help in a democratic vote?  Maybe your comments fit right in the spirit of a free wheeling political debate, but to me it seems a bit over the top without any real concrete examples supporting your position.  

 

There are plenty of examples---just listen to him talk and really think about what he says and what "solutions"--if any--he proposes for something. Ask yourself is what he saying feasible and even if so, does he really have the ability to implement it or even direct it.  Does he really know how to tackle the issue? Yes, he can identify surface level problems and does not always get root causes. Any idiot can say people need jobs or that transit is good or healthy food is important---but what is he really saying about any policies or solutions? And do you really think he has any capability to do anything that is actually good? He will certainly try---he is earnest--but because he doesn't really understand things, he will make them worse. People must really LISTEN to what he says and if you do, you'd realize, there's no way in h@ll he'd be a good mayor. A lot of young people like him cause they see a guy like themselves, without realizing what he is, in part because they're taken by someone who appears to be fresh blood and is well-spoken, but also because they themselves are fairly young and inexperienced to understand how things really work. Its not only his age though. One could be great at 34. Unfortunately Bibb is definitely not one of them.

Lol did you just describe kelley? Empty platitudes and inaction sure scream Kelley's tenure on council. 

Edited October 1, 20213 yr by GISguy

5 hours ago, Cleburger said:

A vote for Kelly is a vote for Frank Jackson Term V.     

Kevin had every opportunity to try to make a difference as president of council and instead sat on his hands and maintained the status quo.    City services are abysmal and he had a large part in creating this culture over the past years.    I am taking my chances with Bibb.  I hope his first decision is to clean house of all the Jackson cronies running city departments and actually get productivity back from city workers.  

 

Bibb won't--and can't--do anything. He will be steamrolled. He is clueless about how the city really works.  '

 

I'd take a Jackson Term V of nothingness over the damage that Bibb would do and not even realize it.

1 minute ago, GISguy said:

Lol did you just describe kelley? Empty platitudes and inaction sure scream Kelley's tenure on council. 

 

And yet he is STILL a better choice than Bibb. What does that say about Justin Bibb?

Every time you post about Bibb I like him a little bit better.  Honestly, you're negative persuasive.

 

But seriously, you're just posting the same thing over and over.  You've had your say.  Move on.

^I'm simply responding to others. But its top of mind as I am truly worried that he could win--more worried than I was about Trump winning in 2016 because I didn't really think he had a chance. I guarantee you this:  if Bibb wins, one year into office property values in the city will begin dropping and any hopes for population growth for the 2030 census will evaporate.

OK.

I just don't understand how one poster thinks he is completely right, however, many other posters and members of leadership throughout the city of Cleveland are being fooled. 

6 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said:

I just don't understand how one poster thinks he is completely right, however, many other posters and members of leadership throughout the city of Cleveland are being fooled. 

 

I'm bewildered as well. The only explanation I can think of is, people were starving for an alternative to inaction Jackson and what appeared was a young, black man who was well-spoken, went to good schools (never mind that he didn't pass or sit for the bar), and talked about new ideas. So people--who only heard or read surface-level things--flocked to him and as more and more people jumped on the bandwagon, he became even more popular. If things were moderately decent in Cleveland in 2020/2021, Bibb would be laughed out of the room. But instead things were a downward spiral and there was mass dissatisfaction with the current mayor who was in power too long, so people jump to the first potentially good sounding thing without taking a moment--or really wanting to take a moment--to see the reality of the Bibb candidacy. 

 

I've been so frustrated myself as to why many otherwise smart people think Bibb is a good idea and this is the best explanation that I have so far. Its kind of similar as to why some otherwise smart and reasonable people (generally) flock to and support Trump. He's horrible but he came at a time of mass dissatisfaction amongst Americans that had been building for a while. How else could Trump been so wildly popular? Bibb witnessed all this so he's replicating it and laughing inside. He may not be smart enough to know that he's not capable of the job of mayor but he is smart enough to dupe the population and stage a Trump-like entrance to power based on dissatisfaction.

Really, at this point we understand your argument. And I will say, to some extent, I agree. Bibb is a bit vague when it comes to exactly how he plans to execute his plans. 

 

But here's where your arguments start to breakdown. (1) Bibb wasn't the only other new candidate running, there were 5 other candidates offering alternatives to the status quo for people to latch onto. They gravitated to Bibb for a reason. And not just the ones your posit. (2) The concerns over vague policy proposals and plans is a criticism of politicians in general, not specifically or only Bibb. And (3), where you really lose me, you aren't really engaging with any arguments. When someone suggests something potentially negative about Kelly your response is to say why Bibb is worse, not why the thing about Kelly is wrong or not in fact as bad as it seems. And you aren't really providing solid justifications for why Bibb is bad. Really more of a feeling or intuition...

31 minutes ago, Luke_S said:

Really, at this point we understand your argument. And I will say, to some extent, I agree. Bibb is a bit vague when it comes to exactly how he plans to execute his plans. 

 

But here's where your arguments start to breakdown. (1) Bibb wasn't the only other new candidate running, there were 5 other candidates offering alternatives to the status quo for people to latch onto. They gravitated to Bibb for a reason. And not just the ones your posit. (2) The concerns over vague policy proposals and plans is a criticism of politicians in general, not specifically or only Bibb. And (3), where you really lose me, you aren't really engaging with any arguments. When someone suggests something potentially negative about Kelly your response is to say why Bibb is worse, not why the thing about Kelly is wrong or not in fact as bad as it seems. And you aren't really providing solid justifications for why Bibb is bad. Really more of a feeling or intuition...

Well stated @Luke_S.  And I agree, there is room for well justified skepticism, criticism, and analysis of any politician, Bibb included. 
 

What’s humorous in this particular case is that this takes the form of seemingly insinuating that Bibb is, I dunno, Satan incarnate? Like, the amount of vitriol against him is totally out of proportion to what he has (or to take take the pessimistic view of him, hasn’t!) done in his 34 years. Trump had 70+ years of vile behavior to justify some accusing him of being an existential threat. Bibb has done what, mis-completed one ethics form? Not sitting for the bar? It comes off as unhinged and, like I said, really pretty humorous in the end. 
 

Truth is, a lot of people with their own skin (money) in the game (Cleveland’s future) have aligned behind Bibb, let alone those that have been around Cleveland government and politics for decades and have seen many candidates come and go. I’m sure all are aware of his shortcomings, but on balance still believe he is the best choice. That’s a much stronger endorsement for me than someone on the internet repeatedly railing that everyone else MUST be delusional for thinking so. 

Edited October 1, 20213 yr by brtshrcegr

43 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

I'm bewildered as well. The only explanation I can think of is, people were starving for an alternative to inaction Jackson and what appeared was a young, black man who was well-spoken, went to good schools (never mind that he didn't pass or sit for the bar), and talked about new ideas. So people--who only heard or read surface-level things--flocked to him and as more and more people jumped on the bandwagon, he became even more popular. If things were moderately decent in Cleveland in 2020/2021, Bibb would be laughed out of the room. But instead things were a downward spiral and there was mass dissatisfaction with the current mayor who was in power too long, so people jump to the first potentially good sounding thing without taking a moment--or really wanting to take a moment--to see the reality of the Bibb candidacy. 

 

I've been so frustrated myself as to why many otherwise smart people think Bibb is a good idea and this is the best explanation that I have so far. Its kind of similar as to why some otherwise smart and reasonable people (generally) flock to and support Trump. He's horrible but he came at a time of mass dissatisfaction amongst Americans that had been building for a while. How else could Trump been so wildly popular? Bibb witnessed all this so he's replicating it and laughing inside. He may not be smart enough to know that he's not capable of the job of mayor but he is smart enough to dupe the population and stage a Trump-like entrance to power based on dissatisfaction.

 

OK, you've had your say- over and over again.  If you don't have anything new and useful to add to the thread you shouldn't feel the need to keep chiming in. 

 

Moving along....

9 hours ago, Pugu said:

I'm bewildered as well. The only explanation I can think of is, people were starving for an alternative to inaction Jackson and what appeared was a young, black man who was well-spoken, went to good schools (never mind that he didn't pass or sit for the bar), and talked about new ideas. So people--who only heard or read surface-level things--flocked to him and as more and more people jumped on the bandwagon, he became even more popular.

This sounds like the anti-Obama talking points that were circulating in the Dem primaries of 2008.   And he ended up being a fairly good leader. 

Further to this point, I guess we should fear the reactionary vote AFTER a couple Bibb terms, when a 87 year old Dennis! completely captures the racist "get off my lawn" crowd....

2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

This sounds like the anti-Obama talking points that were circulating in the Dem primaries of 2008.   And he ended up being a fairly good leader. 

Further to this point, I guess we should fear the reactionary vote AFTER a couple Bibb terms, when a 87 year old Dennis! completely captures the racist "get off my lawn" crowd....

 

Ha! There's no comparing Bibb to Obama. Obama was brilliant in many ways. Bibb is the Kucinich of the 70s---young and inexperienced and harmful, but actually much less competent than the 1978 Dennis.

13 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

Ha! There's no comparing Bibb to Obama. Obama was brilliant in many ways. Bibb is the Kucinich of the 70s---young and inexperienced and harmful, but actually much less competent than the 1978 Dennis.

And your assessment of his competencies are based on what exactly? 

 

Hey guys, when I tell someone they need to move it along and stop going in circles, it doesn't help when you come along and engage them about it.

Edited October 2, 20213 yr by X
C'mon man! What does it say in the giant red letters directly above this post?

How was the Bibb fundraiser? 

Edited October 2, 20213 yr by X
Not looking to get the thread shut down, but let's do what the mod just told us not to!

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He's already endorsed some councilppl so this'll be interesting. I've seen photos of Sherrod and Connie with JB previously fwiw. 

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

How was the Bibb fundraiser? 

 

 The fundraiser is Wednesday. Join us!

 

On 9/23/2021 at 6:49 PM, mu2010 said:

Got the info for you guys - Event Link - ActBlue

 

Edited by X- Welcome to UO!  When someone with the "Moderator" title below their avatar tells everyone to move on instead of going in circles, please don't dredge that conversation back up, especially after there has already been an additional warning.  Our job is to try to keep the conversation on track instead of indulging one posters obsessions.

35 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

 The fundraiser is Wednesday. Join us!

 

 

Oh what the heck hahaha I thought it was last night yeesh.

Crain’s endorses Bibb:

https://www.crainscleveland.com/editorials/crains-editorial-justin-bibb-mayor

Bibb is young, at age 34, and he has never held elective office. That's not the traditional background for someone seeking a job of this magnitude. Cleveland for some time, though, has been hidebound by traditions and ways of thinking that, frankly, haven't gotten it very far — or at least as far as it could get. The energy and tenacity Bibb has shown throughout the campaign, combined with his promise of collaboration, a smart approach to addressing the city's big problems and an ability to galvanize the community to work for positive change, have convinced us he's the right man to lead City Hall.

…

Bibb in a relatively short period of time has established credentials in government, business and the nonprofit sector. He has worked for Cuyahoga County as a special assistant for education and economic development, in the private sector as Gallup's head of the Global Cities Practice and as a vice president at KeyBank, and has served on the boards of Destination Cleveland and the Greater Cleveland Regional Transit Authority. He's currently the chief strategy officer at Urbanova, which advises municipal leaders nationwide on data/technology in projects to improve cities — a vital piece of experience in Cleveland, where bridging the digital divide is a key part of fostering broader, more equitable economic growth.
…

Beyond public safety, Bibb outlined central priorities that include creating "a modern and responsive City Hall," in which citizens and business owners have fast, reliable access to "high-quality, basic services"; having a stronger hand in working with the Cleveland Metropolitan School District to bring greater accountability to the district's performances in offering a quality education to all its students; identifying priorities for the city's use of American Rescue Plan Act funds that can be "sustained over time" with the help of an office of economic recovery; and making more consistent investments in legacy challenges that include broadband (to address the digital divide) and lead safety.

 

 

^ Great endorsement and extra points for use of ‘hidebound’. Don’t hear that too often. 

I'm also thinking "frankly, haven't gotten it far" comment was on purpose and I love it.

On 9/30/2021 at 1:53 PM, Pugu said:

 i hope Crain's as a respected paper can see through it and see the real threat that Bibb that represents.

 

The Crain's endorsement is thoughtful, intelligent and on the money for Bibb.  

Was texting a friend earlier, obv we still have an election but the Kelley camp must be absolutely shook by the support Bibb has garnered.

 

Kelley seemingly has a lot going for him, recognition, money, connections and then PD and Crains both go against him. 

 

Again, still need to see the election pan out but wow. 

3 hours ago, GISguy said:

Was texting a friend earlier, obv we still have an election but the Kelley camp must be absolutely shook by the support Bibb has garnered.

 

Kelley seemingly has a lot going for him, recognition, money, connections and then PD and Crains both go against him. 

 

Again, still need to see the election pan out but wow. 

 

Also, there's a congressional election in the 11th district. Presumably that will boost turnout in downtown and on the east side but not the west side. That can't be good for Kelley.

2 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

 

Also, there's a congressional election in the 11th district. Presumably that will boost turnout in downtown and on the east side but not the west side. That can't be good for Kelley.

 

I'm curious how many CLE voters who sat out the primary election plan to show up for the general. 

US Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed Justin Bibb. That's a big one, IMHO.

2 minutes ago, KJP said:

US Senator Sherrod Brown endorsed Justin Bibb. That's a big one, IMHO.

 

This and the Crains endorsement are like a 1-2 gut punch to Kelley. I'm just repeating myself at this point, but it's hard for me to see Kelley's path to winning anymore.

Endorsements are great and all, but I don't know that I would assume that winning the endorsement race is winning the race.

45 minutes ago, X said:

Endorsements are great and all, but I don't know that I would assume that winning the endorsement race is winning the race.

It’s not, but the vote splits from the primary suggest Bibb has a lot of other things going for him too.

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