13 minutes ago, TBideon said:

And Justin Bibb RECEIVED a JD/MBA from Case which means that he EARNED them.

 

Thank you for the clarity. Its much clearer than what Bibb can say himself....which again points to competence and ability. If he can't even tell his own story how is he supposed to handle something far more complex like the city?

 

13 minutes ago, TBideon said:

As for whether or not he passed a state bar or practiced law, he doesn't appear licensed in Ohio -- which means he's like hundreds of thousands of other attorneys who utilize their JD's outside of law. 

 

He's not an attorney if he did not pass the bar. He's just a guy who got his JD then didn't sit for or couldn't pass the bar.  (And that itself piques one's curiosity).

As someone who will definitely not be voting for Bibb, I have to agree that these complaints seem like grasping at straws. 

8 hours ago, Enginerd said:

So it’s been the City’s transportation hub for 140 years?

 

We went thru all of this when PS was being redesigned. Running the busses around the square would add time, and more importantly significant costs, to an agency that really can’t afford any.

 

Running the busses around the square is NOT a big deal for what you get in return. Or as  @LifeLongClevelander said in his great post above, use another avenue like Prospect. If you do run around the square the only cost is fuel and any vehicle wear for the extra 200 feet or so. So...nothing. You can't count bus operator time as if they spend an extra 2 minutes going around the square, just take 2 minutes off their break at the end of a run while drivers sit around for 15-30 minutes between runs.

1 minute ago, Ethan said:

As someone who will definitely not be voting for Bibb, I have to agree that these complaints seem like grasping at straws. 

 

To its credit, the article was from the PD which had initially endorsed him. Ethics violations are serious things; they are not grasping at straws. Unless of course you're referring to the metal capacity or judgement issues, then that is even more serious and definitely not grasping at straws.

 

🥱

 

So any new polling or anything out there? I voted on the first day BOE was open and it was very quiet. Basheer made a cameo with his folks and there were also some Reed folks hanging out. 

 

2 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

To its credit, the article was from the PD which had initially endorsed him. Ethics violations are serious things; they are not grasping at straws. Unless of course you're referring to the metal capacity or judgement issues, then that is even more serious and definitely not grasping at straws.

 

 

I agree, but everyone is guilty of ethics violations, and these seem to be off the standard variety, and don't rise to the level of disqualifying one for public office. Bibb is the wrong candidate, but for far more mundane reasons.  

 

We should dispense with the notion that politicians aught to be role models for children. For one, history shows it to be laughable. And two, we have all made mistakes, myself included. I want normal people to run for office, and that won't happen until we start extending more grace to politicians. 

16 minutes ago, Ethan said:

 

 Bibb is the wrong candidate, but for far more mundane reasons.  

 

 

 

What makes Bibb the wrong candidate? Who is the right candidate, and why?

 

I'll leave this right here:

 

Great Leaders Don’t Need Experience

 

https://hbr.org/2012/10/great-leaders-dont-need-experience

 

that article makes the argument that a candidate like bibb is high risk-high reward.

 

so, for a position of mayor, is likely stability more or less valuable than a potentially inspired leader who is just as likely to be very incompetent

2 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

that article makes the argument that a candidate like bibb is high risk-high reward.

 

so, for a position of mayor, is likely stability more or less valuable than a potentially inspired leader who is just as likely to be very incompetent

Posts like this just prove so many people in this town are happy with the status quo. 
 

Keep voting for the same retreads and wonder why freaking Akron is light years ahead of Cleveland in terms of city modernization. 
 

Also hope no one gets mad when they see the WSM closed down and jersey barriers still surrounding Public Square 8 years from now.

Bibb is worth the risk even though I fully expect a bum to ultimately win it. 

I didn't endorse anyone. just stating what the pros and cons described in the article that you left right here

Just voted! WOOOOO

I need to stop coming to this thread... it's bad for my blood pressure lol.

 

Bibb is the clear best choice imo.

 

Cleveland has built some good momentum in the last couple years; I believe this is in spite of Jackson, not because of him. That momentum is going to continue regardless of whether we have a good or bad mayor. I do think that a GOOD mayor can multiply our progress, and Bibb is the only candidate who can do that imo; the rest are just more of the status quo.

25 minutes ago, Whipjacka said:

I didn't endorse anyone. just stating what the pros and cons described in the article that you left right here

 

It's the general "afraid to be great" attitude that permeates thru this region. Until new energy is let in we will continue on this average pattern for what will feel like an eternity.

 

Cleveland's been a follower my entire life, we finally get our chance to change this.

14 minutes ago, dastler said:

I need to stop coming to this thread... it's bad for my blood pressure lol.

 

Bibb is the clear best choice imo.

 

Cleveland has built some good momentum in the last couple years; I believe this is in spite of Jackson, not because of him. That momentum is going to continue regardless of whether we have a good or bad mayor. I do think that a GOOD mayor can multiply our progress, and Bibb is the only candidate who can do that imo; the rest are just more of the status quo.

 

I'm with you 100%

15 minutes ago, dastler said:

I need to stop coming to this thread... it's bad for my blood pressure lol.

 

Bibb is the clear best choice imo.

 

Cleveland has built some good momentum in the last couple years; I believe this is in spite of Jackson, not because of him. That momentum is going to continue regardless of whether we have a good or bad mayor. I do think that a GOOD mayor can multiply our progress, and Bibb is the only candidate who can do that imo; the rest are just more of the status quo.

 

Agreed. A plus side for Bibb is that he seems to be carrying the neighborhoods that have higher turnouts for primaries/special elections. 

1 hour ago, Clefan98 said:

 

What makes Bibb the wrong candidate? Who is the right candidate, and why?

 

I'll leave this right here:

 

Great Leaders Don’t Need Experience

 

https://hbr.org/2012/10/great-leaders-dont-need-experience

 

 

Since you asked, what I'm looking for, and what I think Cleveland needs, is a centrist/moderate technocrat. Bibb is neither of those things. He seems to have a lot more experience with talking than he does with doing, and I don't think he would describe himself as a moderate. 

 

As others have pointed out, the article you choose to link to is an interesting choice, as it perfectly describes one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for Bibb. I believe a bad mayor could have a far greater negative impact on the city than a good mayor can have positive. Therefore rolling the dice isn't a smart play. 

 

I also just don't support his policies as I understand them, because, as I said, I'm looking for a moderate/centrist candidate. I'm pretty sure Bibb's appeal to his fans is that he isn't that. 

 

The candidate who so far has shown themselves to best match my criteria of a moderate technocrat is Kevin Kelley, though if anyone thinks there is a better candidate for that description please let me know. 

 

Above all, city hall just needs to actually function. It is very hard to determine from all the various political speeches, who can achieve that outcome. 

Kevin Kelley isn't awful, he's just more of the same - cut from the same Cuyahoga cloth. He won't shake up city hall due to Jackson's endorsement and support.

 

Kevin's a safe bet for safe thinking people....I want better for our city. 

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by Clefan98

I went to vote at the BOE at lunchtime today. It was pleasantly busy. 
CSU was bustling as well, all the way down Euclid from PHS to the inner belt. 

17 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

It's the general "afraid to be great" attitude that permeates thru this region. Until new energy is let in we will continue on this average pattern for what will feel like an eternity.

 

Cleveland's been a follower my entire life, we finally get our chance to change this.

 

I agree that there is an "afraid to be great" or "satisfied with mediocrity" attitude in the city. Yes, we need strong visionary leadership, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY NOT BIBB.   Let's say all six non-Bibb candidates get 4/10 for vision and Bibb gets 5/10. And for the NON-vision criteria which is weighted a little heavier, the others get 5/10 and Bibb gets 2/10---Bibb still comes in at the very bottom.  Yes, we need to change our strategy to grow and lead, but Bibb doesn't have the ability to be that leader, and though he may be more dynamic than say Kelley or Williams, his incompetence will lead us to a path of loss such that 5-10 years later we'll be in a much worse condition.

9 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Kevin's a safe bet for safe thinking people....I want better for our city. 

 

This.

 

We need to move beyond the woe is Cleveland narrative. Our sister cities are lightyear's ahead of us and there's no reason we can't inch towards their levels of competence and boosterism.

 

Bill Peduto isn't the best or most capable mayor out there but you can't say he didn't help transform Pittsburgh into what it is today. I just want 21st century city leadership, not something stuck in 1988.

14 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Kevin Kelley isn't awful, he's just more of the same - cut from the same Cuyahoga cloth. He won't shake up city hall due to Jackson's endorsement and support.

 

Kevin's a safe bet for safe thinking people....I want better for our city. 

 

So Sandra Williams? She's not a city hall crony and has some good ideas and she is certainly capable and credible.

1 minute ago, Pugu said:

 

So Sandra Williams? She's not a city hall crony and has some good ideas and she is certainly capable and credible.

 

House Bill 6.

24 minutes ago, Ethan said:

As others have pointed out, the article you choose to link to is an interesting choice, as it perfectly describes one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for Bibb. I believe a bad mayor could have a far greater negative impact on the city than a good mayor can have positive. Therefore rolling the dice isn't a smart play. 

 

I fully agree with this!

6 minutes ago, Pugu said:

So Sandra Williams? She's not a city hall crony and has some good ideas and she is certainly capable and credible.

 

4 minutes ago, GISguy said:

House Bill 6.

 

What's the story here? Did she get campaign funds from First Energy? Did she know what was really going on with Larry Householder?  I'm asking earnestly because she is one of my top three choices as I narrow my list and head to the polls.

13 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

 

What's the story here? Did she get campaign funds from First Energy? Did she know what was really going on with Larry Householder?  I'm asking earnestly because she is one of my top three choices as I narrow my list and head to the polls.

I posted yesterday that her top donors are Tony George and First Energy.

 

Shame on her for either knowing how corrupt HB6 was and still supporting it. Also shame on her if she DIDN'T know what was really going on! 

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by Clefan98

20 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

I agree that there is an "afraid to be great" or "satisfied with mediocrity" attitude in the city. Yes, we need strong visionary leadership, BUT IT IS DEFINITELY NOT BIBB.   Let's say all six non-Bibb candidates get 4/10 for vision and Bibb gets 5/10. And for the NON-vision criteria which is weighted a little heavier, the others get 5/10 and Bibb gets 2/10---Bibb still comes in at the very bottom.  Yes, we need to change our strategy to grow and lead, but Bibb doesn't have the ability to be that leader, and though he may be more dynamic than say Kelley or Williams, his incompetence will lead us to a path of loss such that 5-10 years later we'll be in a much worse condition.

What's so incompetent about Bibb? What am I missing? Please be specific. I've spoken to those who have hired, worked and also went to school with him. Funny that no one who actually knows him has described him in the fashion that you and others on this forum have. In fact, they describe him as the exact opposite. 
 

So what do you know that his former colleagues and co workers don't? 

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by Clefan98

2 hours ago, Clefan98 said:

 

What makes Bibb the wrong candidate? Who is the right candidate, and why?

 

I'll leave this right here:

 

Great Leaders Don’t Need Experience

 

https://hbr.org/2012/10/great-leaders-dont-need-experience

 

I saw that article tossed around when... Trump was ascending towards office. Leaders don't need experience, but experience certainly does help - in any position.

Just now, GISguy said:

Instead of going on and on about your opposition to Bibb (I think we get it) can you defend the others? Or try and convince folks away from Bibb by turning them towards another candidate? 

 

I've tried to do that throughout, but here's a summary:

 

Kucinich--he's not building a political career like all the others are--so he doesn't have to compromise on important things and issues. He won't take crap. He will fight for things. Old enough to know what's what and how to get things done.

 

Kelley--Strong understanding of council operations and current CDCs and players in the city. No real negative baggage like most of the other candidates. Seems articulate and honest, if not a little dull, but very pragmatic.

 

Williams--with her work at the state understands better than the others how to work with the state and its large money pot. Seems articulate, capable and has presented ideas on how to deal with issues.

 

Basheer/Zach/DiBello - I'm not a fan of any of them.

Cleveland needs fresh perspective.  For instance, simply look at the city of cleveland website https://www.clevelandohio.gov  No one felt the need to bring this up to speed over nearly 16 years under Jackson.  The city does not need another mayor to be applauded for balancing the budget during challenging times.  That's table stakes, we all do that.   Cleveland is trending up and my view is a younger fresh perspective may be a good thing.  

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by newyorker

17 minutes ago, newyorker said:

a younger fresh perspective may be a good thing

 

It would be a great thing. Who qualifies as young here? Probably Dibello, Bibbs, and Basheer. But can any of these three candidates who offer such also be a good mayor? Unfortunately, no. The job requires more than just a "younger fresh perspective."

 

I agree, the website is dated and horrible.

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by Pugu

25 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

I've tried to do that throughout, but here's a summary:

 

Kucinich--he's not building a political career like all the others are--so he doesn't have to compromise on important things and issues. He won't take crap. He will fight for things. Old enough to know what's what and how to get things done.

 

Kelley--Strong understanding of council operations and current CDCs and players in the city. No real negative baggage like most of the other candidates. Seems articulate and honest, if not a little dull, but very pragmatic.

 

Williams--with her work at the state understands better than the others how to work with the state and its large money pot. Seems articulate, capable and has presented ideas on how to deal with issues.

 

Basheer/Zach/DiBello - I'm not a fan of any of them.

 

Thank you- we may disagree on some things but I do appreciate you taking the time and sharing your perspective.

13 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

It would be a great thing. Who qualifies as young here? Probably Dibello, Bibbs, and Basheer. But can any of these three candidates who offer such also be a good mayor? Unfortunately, no. The job requires more than just a "younger fresh perspective."

 

Ok then go vote for another Frank because that is exactly who Kelley will become. No changes will be made at city hall, website, public square, etc.

 

When 2030 hits and nothing has changed in this town, we will look back on this election and blame the people who were threatened by someone with fresh ideas backed by immense talent.

 

 

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by Clefan98

Cleveland's website runs afoul of Section 508 accessibility standards. They can be sued for making their website so awful to anyone who has an impairment or relies on screen readers or other assistive devices.

It's not about age, from my perspective it is who is equipped to uplift the city, offer an executable vision for growth (schools and business), navigate the old school politics to lead Cleveland to a more stable path forward.   

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by newyorker

I know many of you aren't fans of Scene, but they just published a good read:

 

https://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2021/08/25/seven-enter-two-leave-a-primer-on-the-2021-cleveland-mayoral-primary

9 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

 

Ok then go vote for another Frank because that is exactly who Kelley will become. No changes will be made at city hall, website, public square, etc.

 

When 2030 hits and nothing in this town has changed, we will look back on this election and blame the people who were threatened by someone with fresh ideas backed by immense talent.

 

 

I actually asked Kelley how his administration would be different from the Jackson administration, and was pleasantly surprised by his answer. I can't quote verbatim, but the implication of his answer was that the only people/department he intends to keep on from the current administration is the Financial/budget committee. As, in his mind, they are the only ones doing a good job. Everything else he wants to change. I actually got a slight impression of disdain for the current administration from him, though, given his endorsement and Jackson's popularity, he couldn't say anything of the sort. 

 

Obviously, he's a politician, and like all politicians, his words should be taken with a grain of salt. But if he does what he says, it doesn't seem like his administration will be a continuation of the Jackson administration. 

7 minutes ago, Ethan said:

I actually asked Kelley how his administration would be different from the Jackson administration, and was pleasantly surprised by his answer. I can't quote verbatim, but the implication of his answer was that the only people/department he intends to keep on from the current administration is the Financial/budget committee. As, in his mind, they are the only ones doing a good job. Everything else he wants to change. I actually got a slight impression of disdain for the current administration from him, though, given his endorsement and Jackson's popularity, he couldn't say anything of the sort. 

 

Obviously, he's a politician, and like all politicians, his words should be taken with a grain of salt. But if he does what he says, it doesn't seem like his administration will be a continuation of the Jackson administration. 

 

Thanks for this. This was precisely my concern with Kelley that he is part of the existing 'system' and so we'd see more of the same. So i was happy to read your post--and I hope, if elected, he does indeed clean house as he promised. It is typical of any new mayor or president to appoint an all new cabinet, so my hope is that it is not just new people, but new thinking and new attitude.

Kelley won't clean house, total gullibility if anyone believes that. 
 

He got Frank's endorsement and support, which does not come for free. 
 

Kelley was also city council president and knowingly allowed Ken Johnson to fleece the taxpayers out of hundreds of thousands (probably more) on his watch. 
 

I just don't get what Cleveland has to gain by voting in more of the same? 

Edited August 26, 20213 yr by Clefan98

 

I hope everyone maintains this enthusiasm and interest regardless who wins.  I'm not sure what "cleaning house" looks like in your mind.  But Civil Service protections and collective bargaining agreements makes whole sale terminations impossible.  The Commissioners/Assistant Commissioners and managers (and on down the front-line workers) that actually operate the departments are fairly entrenched.  The Directors and Assistant Directors lack those bureaucratic safeguards, and will likely receive requests for resignation if they do not resign when the new administration takes office.  Generally, the policy makers will go but those that implement policy will stay.  And there's a lot more control when implementing policy than you might expect. 

 

It might help to manage your expectations on whose heads you want to roll.  The same people will go whomever is elected. 

 

Edited August 27, 20213 yr by grayfields

20 hours ago, Enginerd said:

So it’s been the City’s transportation hub for 140 years?

 

We went thru all of this when PS was being redesigned. Running the busses around the square would add time, and more importantly significant costs, to an agency that really can’t afford any.

Running buses via the south roadway on eastbound trips or north roadway on westbound trips adds an insignificant amount of run time to a trip.  Routing buses to use Prospect would greatly facilitate transfers to the rail system.  RTA has GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY to lengthen operating times by making virtually all bus trips LOCAL runs with MORE STOPS (increasing the costs to operate), falling back on "running buses around the square would add time and significant costs"  is making excuses.  They don't have problems adding time and significant costs for other trips, let alone inconveniencing the riders who use those buses.  Decisions like that have plunged the system to its lowest ridership counts in the agency's history even before the pandemic hit.  They also don't have a problem running 60-foot articulated buses with the increased costs of maintaining far more complicated coaches and fuel used to operate them when standard 40-foot buses are more than sufficient to provide service.

 

RTA has also repeatedly shown they have no problem wasting money in other ways.  The Stephan Tubbs-Jones Transit Center cost $9.3 million and it is barely used.  Prior to NextGen being implemented in June, one of its "best uses" was to hold park-and-ride highway coaches between the morning and evening rush hours.  Now, even that role has been reduced as RTA has eliminated 2 of the 3 routes that used those coaches.  One other route was eliminated in 2016.  In 2020 they purchased 12 brand new 45-foot highway coaches to operate with 12 other 45 foot highway coaches.  Those buses cost about $650k apiece or about $8 million total.  The one remaining park-and-ride route doesn't need 12 buses for that service and the other 12 are now stored.  Improvements at the park-and-ride lots (major expansions) will no longer be used, so the money spent on those improvements ends up being wasted as well.

 

If RTA was so concerned about increased costs and waste, their former chairman of the board of trustees wouldn't have been able to get away with not paying his share of insurance costs for over two decades.  They would have gotten a handle on the prescription abuse that has also been documented by being committed by their employees as well.

 

If Mr. Bibb was really concerned about having Cleveland's transit agency operate efficiently, he should be calling for investigations about the abuse, waste and mismanagement of that system that has been going on for decades.  Obviously the "investigation" by former general manager Calabrese has quietly faded away yielding no results.  Bibb shouldn't "cherry pick" one fairly minor thing and ignore everything else.  Running buses around the edge or bypassing Public Square won't kill RTA.  The well-documented problems that have plagued the system long before Public Square was redesigned have been killing it for a very long time.  He needs to look into those issues as if the system does collapse due its historically bad management, it will deprive the citizens of the city he wants to lead with no other transportation options.  If they cannot use RTA, many will not have a way to get to jobs or medical appointments.  Bibb should be very concerned about what harm that would do to Cleveland and its residents, not about minor bus routings. 

 

The mayor of Cleveland is responsible for naming 4 trustees on the 10-member board.  Mayor Jackson has done nothing on calling out the massive failures of RTA,  Bibb is showing no indication of doing anything different. 

Edited August 27, 20213 yr by LifeLongClevelander

^Also, Bibb was a Board member of RTA during some of that. Likely a lot of bad decisions went down while he was overseeing the agency as a board member and did nothing to stop things or was too clueless to know what was what. Its kind of a foreshadowing of how he would be as mayor....

18 minutes ago, Pugu said:

^Also, Bibb was a Board member of RTA during some of that. Likely a lot of bad decisions went down while he was overseeing the agency as a board member and did nothing to stop things or was too clueless to know what was what. Its kind of a foreshadowing of how he would be as mayor....

Frank Jackson appointed several board members for Cleveland to serve as RTA's trustees to represent the city.  One appointee, as she was already being paid for her regular job for the city, should not have been paid for serving on RTA's board of trustees at the same time.  Double-dipping and illegal.  So much for one word from that title:  TRUST.  Bibb is concerned about the cost "savings" obtained by certain bus routings, yet overlooks the tremendous waste incurred by the system in many other aspects of its operation.

 

George Dixon III was the president of RTA's Board of Trustees for 24 years and served for 26 years total as a trustee.  For over 20 years, he received the benefits of health care coverage without paying for his share of health care coverage cost.  He massively abused the cell phone that was provided by RTA through the agency's cell phone plan.  His usage was so much so that RTA had to shell out more money to cover excessive use.  The legal settlement reached called for Dixon to repay RTA for these costs.  His personal finances were a mess.  He has since passed away and RTA will probably never see restitution for what amounts to his theft and abuse.

 

Why was this allowed to go on unchecked for so long?  No worry, running buses through Public Square will fix everything.  

Edited August 27, 20213 yr by LifeLongClevelander

On 8/20/2021 at 4:35 PM, LifeLongClevelander said:

It has been stated that Kucinich's plan to build up the staffing levels of the police department will drain the city's financial reserves.  How will they be able to patrol if the city cannot keep enough cruisers operational?  How will the city be able to purchase equipment to replace worn out police cars, EMS squads, fire engines and service trucks?  Where will the money come from to keep the additional police officers employed?  Will the city be able to pay its obligations or will it default once again?  This time, it won't be due to backroom dealings; this time it would be due to fiscal mismanagement.  

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, GISguy said:

 

 

Cleveland's EMS Headquarters is located on Lakeside Avenue between East 16th and East 18th streets.  The parking area behind the building is used to hold extra EMS backup units.  It is a regular occurrence for all of the extra units to be placed into service, replacing the ones that have broken down.  

A bizarre article: WEWS:  "Cleveland residents show up for mayoral candidate town hall on gun violence; only 1 candidate appears."

 

The one candidate was Bibb. Kudos to Bibb for at least showing up---apparently Reed and Basheer were also expected, acc. to the article. But the article then quotes and talks about people who attended, but doesn't once ever mention anything Bibb said. Did he not say a word? Or just bad/strange reporting? 

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/cleveland-residents-show-up-for-mayoral-candidate-town-hall-on-gun-violence-only-1-candidate-appears

59 minutes ago, Pugu said:

A bizarre article: WEWS:  "Cleveland residents show up for mayoral candidate town hall on gun violence; only 1 candidate appears."

 

The one candidate was Bibb. Kudos to Bibb for at least showing up---apparently Reed and Basheer were also expected, acc. to the article. But the article then quotes and talks about people who attended, but doesn't once ever mention anything Bibb said. Did he not say a word? Or just bad/strange reporting? 

 

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/cleveland-residents-show-up-for-mayoral-candidate-town-hall-on-gun-violence-only-1-candidate-appears

Per the newscast on the night of the 26th, Bibb didn't say anything.  Maybe he doesn't know what to say.  Looks like a lost opportunity on his part, even though he did show up.

At least he showed up. And listened. That's a hell of a lot more than you can say for Dennis, Reed, and the other duds running.

 

1 hour ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Per the newscast on the night of the 26th, Bibb didn't say anything.  Maybe he doesn't know what to say.  Looks like a lost opportunity on his part, even though he did show up.

There’s literally footage of him in the linked newscast speaking to the group 🤷‍♂️ 

 

(Although they did note he didn’t take questions.)

 

I’m a (dis)interested third-party in this election as I’m not registered to vote in Cleveland, I don’t have any vested interests in the the race. I generally have a favorable impression of Bibb, and I’d say the same about Kelly. But some of the attacks on here on Bibb over the last couple of days have REALLY been…amusing. 

Edited August 27, 20213 yr by brtshrcegr

21 minutes ago, brtshrcegr said:

There’s literally footage of him in the linked newscast speaking to the group 🤷‍♂️ 

 

(Although they did note he didn’t take questions.)

 

I’m a (dis)interested third-party in this election as I’m not registered to vote in Cleveland, I don’t have any vested interests in the the race. I generally have a favorable impression of Bibb, and I’d say the same about Kelly. But some of the attacks on here on Bibb over the last couple of days have REALLY been…amusing. 

My mistake, but the answering of questions should have occurred.  Anybody can read a prepared statement.

2 hours ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Per the newscast on the night of the 26th, Bibb didn't say anything.  Maybe he doesn't know what to say.  Looks like a lost opportunity on his part, even though he did show up.

 

Oh my--that's even worse than being a no-show. A no-show could have said she/he had an emergency and couldn't make it. But to actually go and not say a word? And he wants to be mayor? This is yet ANOTHER piece of evidence that he has deep, DEEP judgement issues. If one is clueless about what to do about gun violence (which he apparently is), you don't go to a special gathering of people affected by it and not even have a solution or even some conciliatory words or anything. He is really, really clueless--actually SCARY CLUELESS. This is  why he is on the very bottom of my list. He just doesn't get it. Elect him and he'll be scary with cluelessness and no judgement but with great power. I guarantee you ANY of the other six, if attending, would have said something! Please don't vote for this guy and please share these words.

 

EDIT:  I see later posts that say Bibbs DID indeed speak. But I agree with the statement above, he should have taken questions instead of reading a cold statement to emotionally-impacted people.

Edited August 27, 20213 yr by Pugu