1 minute ago, David said:

I noticed liberals (the vast majority) use "Cleveland" as a colloquialism. Ask someone down here who is conservative from NE Ohio where they're from and they're like "EAST of Cleveland." 

Hmm and I wonder why that is. Conservatives are veryyy comfortable with quickly making it known that they live in a specific area and not near "others". Classic current GOP moves. When I was at Ohio State it baffled me how everyone from central Ohio and SW Ohio said they were from Columbus and Cincinnati respectively. While everyone from Cleveland always said their suburb or specific neighborhood first. This obviously has deep roots back to redlining and how deeply segregated our city is by race, income, resources, etc.

Yes, Columbus and Cincinnati weren't deeply segregated, and didn't have redlining.  Just Cleveland! 🙄

2 hours ago, X said:

Yes, Columbus and Cincinnati weren't deeply segregated, and didn't have redlining.  Just Cleveland! 🙄

Sorry not my point at all. But in my opinion (which could be very off) I think Cleveland was/is worse in this respect.

On 12/13/2020 at 12:34 PM, Pugu said:

^I agree that all of Summit and Portage may not consider themselves "Greater Cleveland", but certainly northern Summit and Portage are Cleveland suburbs.  But the gist of the article is we should not be calling "greater Cleveland" (whatever that area contains) NEO--it should be called "greater Cleveland" and I wholeheartedly agree. We sound like idiots to outsiders when we say NEO instead of Cleveland--either that or that we are utterly ashamed of the city that we cannot even say the word Cleveland. Either way, its helping to kill Cleveland as a brand and place.

This is exactly spot on most people don't know that, even the census doesn't count the northern portions of summit and portage counties into Greater Cleveland's population but northern summit/portage  counties are Cleveland's southeastern suburbs

On 2/16/2021 at 4:26 PM, ytown2ctown said:

Sorry not my point at all. But in my opinion (which could be very off) I think Cleveland was/is worse in this respect.

 

 

you are right on point, at least over the past several decades, but its not about segregation, its more so just about the historical bad rap cle had as an industrial rust belt city. i have seen locals are quicker to call out their suburb home to outsiders as they are to say cleveland. which is just silly, because who knows what or where your xburb is, it makes you sound like a rube or idiot. i mean maybe, maybe someone may have heard of shaker heights or something, but dubious, and thats about it.

 

meanwhile, if you live within a hundred miles of columbus or cinci people will more often tend to just say that or say near there.

 

i think all of this avoidant attitude is all starting to fade away fast though as the rustbelt memories dissipate and step by step the cle improves its rep. i mean the kids do like livin for the city and walkable neighborhoods and all that these days, so no doubt every little bit of redevelopment news helps.

Edited March 17, 20214 yr by mrnyc