Vance's comments regarding tax treatment of businesses are part of a larger fraying of the relationship between large businesses and the Republican Party that has been going on for many years now, and his comment did not arise in a vacuum.

 

Republicans are in a messy divorce with big business. Democrats could benefit

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/14/republicans-big-business-democrats-us-politics

 

Americans Need to Break the Chains of Corporate Slavery

If the domains of power in America are culture, capital, and government, we must admit that we have basically lost all three.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/14/americans-need-to-break-the-chains-of-corporate-slavery/

 

(The Guardian is a longtime stalwart of the British progressive media; American Greatness is an unapologetic mouthpiece for the Trump wing of the GOP, established in some measure to try to create an intellectual foundation for enduring Trumpism even post-Trump, as Trump himself will inevitably fade or simply die of old age.)

 

Note that the AG article there quotes the Tweet of another conservative (David French) responding skeptically to JD Vance's original proposal.

 

Use of the Tax Code to favor some over others and/or to incentivize or disincentivize certain behaviors goes back at least to the Sixteenth Amendment, and honestly further.  David French may be largely right that nakedly ideological discrimination in the Tax Code would be subject to First Amendment challenge, but he is not actually 100% right on that, given the treatment of Bob Jones University.  We are obviously a long way from having wokeism be viewed with similar animadversion as opposition to interracial marriage, but one can only hope.  More importantly, almost anything short of naked ideological discrimination has been always passed muster--as if there were nothing ideological in tax subsidies for electric vehicles or wind farms, or mortgage interest, or charitable contributions (and the definitions of what is and isn't a proper charitable contribution), or even fundamental structural features of the Internal Revenue Code like whether section 501(c)(3) exists at all, whether the income tax is flat or progressive, whether the estate tax exists at all, whether capital gains should be taxed at ordinary income rates, and so on.

Piss off Seniors, piss off Big Business, Harley Guys in bad health. Barely anyone left!

 

16 hours ago, Gramarye said:

We are obviously a long way from having wokeism be viewed with similar animadversion as opposition to interracial marriage, but one can only hope.

 

LMAO

 

Yes, these are similar things.

 

To your other points, I will provide a quote from noted left wing shill (.../s) Jonah Goldberg:

 

Edited April 16, 20214 yr by DarkandStormy

46 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

 

Wow - that's substantial

I wish the republicans would have a falling out with the pharmaceuticals industry. 

8 hours ago, surfohio said:

I wish the republicans America would have a falling out with the pharmaceuticals industry. 

**

Cross-posted from the Ohio Congressional Delegation thread:

 

And cross Rep. Steve Stivers from the republican list of candidates for Portman's Senate seat:

 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Ohio Rep. Steve Stivers to leave Congress next month
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/ohio-rep-steve-stivers-leave-congress-next-month-n1264483
 

WASHINGTON — Rep. Steve Stivers, R-Ohio, announced Monday that he is stepping down next month to lead his state's Chamber of Commerce, opening up another vacancy in the narrowly divided House.

 

Stivers, who’s serving his sixth term in Congress, said he will step down May 16 to take the job as president and CEO of the chamber.
 

 

U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan announces run for U.S. Senate

 

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/04/us-rep-tim-ryan-announces-run-for-us-senate.html

 

5 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

U.S. Rep. Tim Ryan announces run for U.S. Senate

 

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/04/us-rep-tim-ryan-announces-run-for-us-senate.html

 

He was the only one that could. Unless Michael Coleman announces a surprise run.

 

The GOP's rebrand of the "Working Class Party" is going well.

^"Just stick the kids with the turncoat Seniors who put Biden in office. Serves them right for kicking Trump out."

2 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

The GOP's rebrand of the "Working Class Party" is going well.

 

Does JD think offering daycare means conscription for toddlers? 

4 hours ago, YABO713 said:

 

Does JD think offering daycare means conscription for toddlers? 

 

I have a really hard time figuring out what he means when he talks. 

13 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

I have a really hard time figuring out what he means when he talks. 

I honestly can’t understand what his point is most of the time. 

I think the argument he is trying to make is that free daycare incentivizes people to work instead of staying home which saturates the labor market and drives down labor values thereby hurting the labor class and benefiting the upper classes. He also seems to think that two-parent households in the labor class have a preference for one parent staying at home while upper class two-parent households do not. Now does any of that make sense? Unclear. But I think that's what he's trying to argue.

23 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

I think the argument he is trying to make is that free daycare incentivizes people to work instead of staying home which saturates the labor market and drives down labor values thereby hurting the labor class and benefiting the upper classes. He also seems to think that two-parent households in the labor class have a preference for one parent staying at home while upper class two-parent households do not. Now does any of that make sense? Unclear. But I think that's what he's trying to argue.

 

This is a good summary. I share a lot of this view. It is very difficult for most families to get by on a single income, which is a shame.

 

The greatest trick the man ever pulled on American families was convincing us, under the guise of equality, that both parents need to work instead of either mom or dad can work. The '80s and '90s saw the biggest increases in dual income households, and coincidentally wages have been pretty stagnant since then.

 

Ideally we'd have some sort of sizable stay-at-home parent childcare tax credit for married couples filing together. There are lots of options to explore here.

That was a total scam intended to depress the value of human labor. It liberated far fewer than it conscripted. Cruelly, it was done only a few years before automation and computers would further depress the need for nearly doubling the labor force.

 

On 5/1/2021 at 1:18 PM, Ram23 said:

Ideally we'd have some sort of sizable stay-at-home parent childcare tax credit for married couples filing together. There are lots of options to explore here.

 

I don't think that a tax credit will be very effective -- that second working-class wage-earner will bring in a much higher percentage of income to the family than any tax credit could.  I would follow the Scandinavian approach and pay for one parent to stay home with their kids in the first year of the kid's life (mother or father, or split the time).  Then I would provide subsidized childcare for all kids through age 12 or so so that parents could work 9-5 without forking over more than 50% of their pay on childcare.  And it would seem to be cheaper to subsidize a daycare worker to oversee a dozen kids than to pay one parent enough to stay home and watch one to five kids (and I'm betting that there are mostly 1-2 child households these days). 

 

But yeah, that kind of "socialism" would certainly destroy families, just as gay marriage has done.

The reason childcare gets so expensive is that it has to turn a profit. Also it has to rent space from the private sector.

 

So much for Vance running as a "personal freedom" conservative.  Definitely branding himself as an "own the libs" Republican.

 

If you actually were for liberty, personal freedom, etc. you wouldn't give a **** about a group of people wearing masks.  It doesn't impact you at all.

They'd better be ready to throw fits over that for a while. Some people are going to wear masks for years.

Whatever Republican is competing against Vance for the moronic voters is going to have to say “a real patriot would’ve swam out and confronted them, not complain on Twitter like a whiny Dem.” 

Val Demings v. Marco Rubio is a strong race. Although Florida has seemed to shift red Val is no joke and will raise plenty money. This will be competitive for sure if she is the dem candidate.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/18/politics/val-demings-senate-florida-marco-rubio/index.html

 

 

 

Bold take here from Vance as a GOP primary candidate to come out in favor of removing Confederate statues and renaming military bases.

15 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

 

Bold take here from Vance as a GOP primary candidate to come out in favor of removing Confederate statues and renaming military bases.

 

I'm not seeing the alleged contradiction. J.D. Vance's anecdote of being in a diverse boot camp doesn't negate the fact that historical American military causalities are disproportionately white.

 

They have been disproportionately male as well, but that's probably a "gender gap" we aren't allowed to talk about. Like workplace deaths, and career fields like mining and timber.

 

Probably not worth wasting the time/energy on this clown since he's not polling above 5% in the primary but come on lol.

On 6/25/2021 at 12:52 PM, DarkandStormy said:

Probably not worth wasting the time/energy on this clown since he's not polling above 5% in the primary but come on lol.

 

I was referencing Preena's comment about his book.

 

Your example also isn't a contradiction, though, it's irony, and you're reaction to it is exactly what he's getting at.  He's angry about something, he's white - so it must be "white rage?" He's just pointing out the blatant racism inherent in the term. Try subbing out "white" for any other skin color and see if you can get away with it.

On 6/25/2021 at 11:22 AM, Ram23 said:

 

I'm not seeing the alleged contradiction. J.D. Vance's anecdote of being in a diverse boot camp doesn't negate the fact that historical American military causalities are disproportionately white.

 

They have been disproportionately male as well, but that's probably a "gender gap" we aren't allowed to talk about. Like workplace deaths, and career fields like mining and timber.

 

"Historically" African Americans and women weren't allowed to serve, especially in combat duties.  So it's a pretty stupid comparison to make.

 

^ What a man of integrity lol. Actually it's kind of sad watching someone who was by all accounts respected turn himself into a clown. What's his endgame here? He's not getting elected, but he's still a clown.  

On 6/28/2021 at 8:41 AM, X said:

 

"Historically" African Americans and women weren't allowed to serve, especially in combat duties.  So it's a pretty stupid comparison to make.

 

That goes without saying. The source I referenced started with the Vietnam War, which actually had causality demographics in line with the actual population - which makes sense given the draft. Since then, the demographics have shifted again and the gap has widened. So even in the post-equality era, the point holds true. Vance's point is accurate no matter how you dice it up, which (like in many such cases) is the real reason people are upset about it.

1 hour ago, Ram23 said:

 

That goes without saying. The source I referenced started with the Vietnam War, which actually had causality demographics in line with the actual population - which makes sense given the draft. Since then, the demographics have shifted again and the gap has widened. So even in the post-equality era, the point holds true. Vance's point is accurate no matter how you dice it up, which (like in many such cases) is the real reason people are upset about it.

 

What source?  You've referenced no source that I can see.

2 hours ago, Ram23 said:

The source I referenced started with the Vietnam War, which actually had causality demographics in line with the actual population - which makes sense given the draft. Since then, the demographics have shifted again and the gap has widened. So even in the post-equality era, the point holds true. 

White rural Americans are more likely to be raised in a "gung-ho" subculture of pickup trucks, AR15s  and Rambo.  They enter the service and volunteer for hazardous duty assignments thinking they are invincible.   

4 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

White rural Americans are more likely to be raised in a "gung-ho" subculture of pickup trucks, AR15s  and Rambo.  They enter the service and volunteer for hazardous duty assignments thinking they are invincible.   

I would say that applies to almost all 17-24 year old males regardless of ethnicity.

11 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I would say that applies to almost all 17-24 year old males regardless of ethnicity.

Take a look around social media at ex military, including elite vets (Seals, Rangers etc) selling their services for advanced training.    99.9% white guys marketing themselves to their communities in rural America.   I know 3-4 of them personally.   But this is a topic for another thread, possibly the Police Use of Force or Gun Rights forums.  

3 hours ago, X said:

 

What source?  You've referenced no source that I can see.

 

Whoops - I could have sworn I posted this. This was the report I had read:

 

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

I checked - yes, the Mandel Tweet is real. Sent out around 3pm today and still posted as of 7pm.  And then I noticed his follow on Tweet - screen shot below.

 

 

The very next Tweet:

 

 

^ Waiting for the usual suspects to twist themselves into a knot to convince us how (1) "he's kinda right" (2) "he didn't mean it that way" or (3) "it's no big deal".

The J.D. Vance for Senate campaign is off to a roaring start...

 

4 minutes ago, Mendo said:

^ Waiting for the usual suspects to twist themselves into a knot to convince us how (1) "he's kinda right" (2) "he didn't mean it that way" or (3) "it's no big deal".

 

Josh Mandel knows he's wrong and knows he'll get ratioed into the ground on Twitter. That's the entire point. 

 

It doesn't matter what he says as long as it will "trigger libs".

 

God, if you told me in 2016 that I'd be praying for Tim Ryan to be our next senator I would've gut laughed in your face. 

Meanwhile, there's lots of ... um ... stuff happening inside the Josh Mandel for Senate campaign...

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2021/06/29/josh-mandel-campaign-toxic-work-environment-sources-say/5323272001/

• Three fundraisers quit Mandel's U.S. Senate campaign in recent months because of a toxic work environment created by Rachel Wilson, the campaign finance director.
• In 2017, Rachael Wilson previously worked on Mandel’s U.S. Senate race against Sherrod Brown.  Mandel later dropped out of the race in January 2018, citing his then-wife’s undisclosed health issues.  Mandel and his wife divorced in April 2020. 
• Campaign manager Scott Guthrie said in an email reply to this article, that Mandel and Wilson have been dating one another since August 2020.
• And the Cincinnati Enquirer has filed to unseal the Mandel divorce records, which are currently sealed in Ashland County where the couple filed.

 

Truly a race to the bottom in the GOP primary.  Trumpism is plenty well alive.

The hits just keep on coming. Surely @JoshMandelOhio is a parody Twitter account, right?! Way to really engage conservative South Asian or Middle Eastern voters in Ohio. 

 

Edited August 21, 20213 yr by brtshrcegr

Mandel is vile. It also appears that he is currently in the lead in the R primary (although not by THAT much). As much as I hate the idea of Mandel being our Senator, I don’t think him winning the primary is the worst outcome. That would absolutely give Ryan (or surprise dark horse D candidate) the best shot at winning. And the R field has clearly been a race to the bottom. Any of the current R candidates would be an embarrassment to our state with their recent behavior.   It’s not like there’s a Voinovich or La Tourette in that group.

 

(Dolan is less awful, but there’s no way he’d win the primary if he decides to run.)

 

We need to eliminate party primaries so badly. It has such a terrible impact not just on which candidates run, but also how those candidates behave. Let’s get open primaries or ranked-choice voting on the ballot.

Is this the Mandel bump?

 

On 7/7/2021 at 4:09 PM, DarkandStormy said:

 

Truly a race to the bottom in the GOP primary.  Trumpism is plenty well alive.

It's also a bastardization of the verse and shows a lack of understanding of Islam.  https://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=5

 

The Quran generally says that other monotheistic faiths that preceded Islam, particularly Jews and Christians, are "brothers" who should be treated well as long as they are not attacking Muslims.  The Quran distinguishes such monotheists from "pagans" (polytheists, idol worshipers) -- but even then only if they do not repent and take up a practice of regular prayer.  

Josh Mandel, "you know what to do":