It's an incredibly difficult needle to thread.  He has to maintain the blue advantage from 2020 in the cities, while increasing the margins in exurbs and rural Ohio.  It can work if he's Beto style storming every county and spreading his anti-Pelosi message where it will be well received.  If he can't make noise in the Obama-Trump counties, I'm convinced Sherrod is toast in 2024 as well and Ohio isn't going to be competitive for 25+ years.

On 5/5/2022 at 10:30 AM, Dev said:

Lol what a ringing endoresement

 

The thing people don't realize about DJT is while he loves to be complimented, being too obsequious loses his respect, and that's what Mandel did.

On 7/12/2022 at 11:54 AM, X said:

Good luck to Ryan, but I wish he'd stop running against the Democrats.  I know he needs to distance himself from certain aspects of the national party, but it doesn't help if he is doing the GOP's job in tarnishing the brand.  He's going to want D house reps from Ohio to work with and eventually another D Senator and a D president.  And let's not forget state level reps and governors.  He needs to be broad minded enough to see this and not poison the well on his way to his own victory.

 

That's exactly what he needs to do.   If he does not do this, Vance isn't running against him.  He is running against 9.1%+ inflation, $4.50+ a gallon gasoline, a Congressional leadership seen as grossly leftist, and an Administration seen as ineffectual on a carterian scale.  That doesn't even take into account a possible recession by November.

2 hours ago, Gramarye said:

TIM RYAN IS THROWING OUT THE DEMOCRATIC PLAYBOOK IN OHIO

In his campaign against J.D. Vance, the Ohio rep. has distanced himself from national party leaders, applauded Donald Trump’s trade policies, and is now boasting of the praise he’s received on…Fox News. Could this unusual strategy help flip a Senate seat?

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/07/tim-ryan-democratic-playbook-ohio

 

While running as a Blue Dog–style Democrat who gets along with Fox News hosts may seem like an antiquated strategy in 2022, Ryan, a onetime presidential candidate, has taken painstaking steps to portray himself as a political maverick disconnected from the economic crises currently plaguing the ruling party. He has frequently condemned trade deals signed by Democratic presidents, which he blames for allowing China to steal manufacturing jobs from the Rust Belt, and has voiced support for Trump’s “America First” economic policies in two ads. “When Obama’s trade deal threatened jobs here, I voted against it. And I voted with Trump on trade,” Ryan says in one of the ads. “I don’t answer to any political party.” In other campaign ads, the 10-term Democratic lawmaker stressed the need to pass “a real tax cut for workers” and expressed his steadfast support for police.

On 7/12/2022 at 11:54 AM, X said:

Good luck to Ryan, but I wish he'd stop running against the Democrats.  I know he needs to distance himself from certain aspects of the national party, but it doesn't help if he is doing the GOP's job in tarnishing the brand.  He's going to want D house reps from Ohio to work with and eventually another D Senator and a D president.  And let's not forget state level reps and governors.  He needs to be broad minded enough to see this and not poison the well on his way to his own victory.

 

There are a lot of former Democrats who agree wholeheartedly with Ryan on trade, feel betrayed by President Clinton on that score, and want a return to trade policies that favor the American worker over the international corporations.  President Clinton moved the party to the right and the center-right DNC and "New Democrats" currently leading the party are leading the party over a cliff.  Ryan is running the right campaign to bring blue collar workers back to the party.  (Although I really hope he doesn't join the Blue Dogs and their constant obstruction.)

There is a part of me that worries Ryan might be Manchin III.

41 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

There is a part of me that worries Ryan might be Manchin III.

 

I've personally known Tim for 30 years and I can assure you he's nothing like Manchin.

 

Manchin cares about power and building wealth, Tim Ryan cares about Ohio.

Edited July 14, 20222 yr by Clefan98

3 hours ago, Foraker said:

 

There are a lot of former Democrats who agree wholeheartedly with Ryan on trade, feel betrayed by President Clinton on that score, and want a return to trade policies that favor the American worker over the international corporations.  President Clinton moved the party to the right and the center-right DNC and "New Democrats" currently leading the party are leading the party over a cliff.  Ryan is running the right campaign to bring blue collar workers back to the party.  (Although I really hope he doesn't join the Blue Dogs and their constant obstruction.)

 

100%, which is part of the reason why Hillary lost Ohio in 2016.

 

Statistically, NAFTA cost Cleveland 50,000 manufacturing jobs which were never recovered.  Campaigning on trade which would bring good paying jobs back would work in Ryan's favor.

3 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

That's exactly what he needs to do.   If he does not do this, Vance isn't running against him.  He is running against 9.1%+ inflation, $4.50+ a gallon gasoline, a Congressional leadership seen as grossly leftist, and an Administration seen as ineffectual on a carterian scale.  That doesn't even take into account a possible recession by November.

 

Inflation will not be 9% and gas will not be $4.50+ in November.

2 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

There is a part of me that worries Ryan might be Manchin III.

 

Nah, more like Sherrod II

2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Inflation will not be 9% and gas will not be $4.50+ in November.

 

I just got gas for $3.99 in Ashville. 

 

Stick a fork in JD.

Isn't Peter Thiel behind Vance?  (Though of course that could be a double-edged sword politically, but I'm only talking financially.)

17 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Inflation will not be 9% and gas will not be $4.50+ in November.

I'm worried that people are really bitter about it so even if this all recedes before October, too many voters will show up wanting to take their frustrations out on somebody.

7 minutes ago, Dev said:

I'm worried that people are really bitter about it so even if this all recedes before October, too many voters will show up wanting to take their frustrations out on somebody.

 

It's possible. But one thing you can count on in politics is that people have really short memories. 

30 minutes ago, Gramarye said:

Isn't Peter Thiel behind Vance?  (Though of course that could be a double-edged sword politically, but I'm only talking financially.)

 

He was, but do you think he became a billionaire by making bad bets?

12 minutes ago, Dev said:

I'm worried that people are really bitter about it so even if this all recedes before October, too many voters will show up wanting to take their frustrations out on somebody.

 

4 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

It's possible. But one thing you can count on in politics is that people have really short memories. 

 

To have a chance the Democrats needed something to change the conversation away from gas prices and inflation, two things (at least in my opinion) they have little control over but would almost certainly get the blame for in November. Fortunately the Supreme Court really came through for them, and Republicans across the country are doing everything they can to make sure we stay focused between now and November.

1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

 

It's possible. But one thing you can count on in politics is that people have really short memories. 

Yeah there's always some new thing to be mad about for everyone.

2 hours ago, Dev said:

I'm worried that people are really bitter about it so even if this all recedes before October, too many voters will show up wanting to take their frustrations out on somebody.

 

2 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

It's possible. But one thing you can count on in politics is that people have really short memories. 

Perhaps more than this: for more than a generation now, the economic nationalist message would have been inherently inflationary. Over the long term, it still might be. The economic logic is that building expensive factories here and hiring higher wage American workers would of course increase the price of goods. However, at least in the short term, that logic has never been more vulnerable because of the manufacturing issues in Asia and the shipping issues in the Pacific. That old logic relied on cheap overseas manufacturing plus cheap shipping costs. Not to mention reliable delivery of the goods in that supply chain.  Maybe that day will come again and the current moment will, in hindsight, be just a flash in the pan. But if there is anything just as reliable as voters having short memories, it’s usually that they also have short future time horizons, too.  It says something that neither Ryan nor Vance are pounding the free trade drums.

On 7/14/2022 at 3:59 PM, DEPACincy said:

 

Inflation will not be 9% and gas will not be $4.50+ in November.

 

What do you expect it to be, then?  Without causing a recession, which would make things even easier for Republicans.

 

At what point does the Carville Rule (ITES) no longer take center stage?

On 7/16/2022 at 10:03 AM, E Rocc said:

 

What do you expect it to be, then?  Without causing a recession, which would make things even easier for Republicans.

 

At what point does the Carville Rule (ITES) no longer take center stage?

 

Without any further intervention it's going to start going down because it's going to be compared to a year ago when inflation was already high. These year-over-year numbers are very unlikely to stay that high.

 

But there will be continued intervention, so it'll come down even more. I expect by October it'll be under 6%. There is a chance the fed gets overzealous and pushes us into recession, but we might not even know we're in one yet by November. 

Moreno lacked awareness to stay in the race. And JD Vance retweeted this...

 

 

Great news

 

20 hours ago, KJP said:

Moreno lacked awareness to stay in the race. And JD Vance retweeted this...

 

 

Yikes ... His tone and childishness in replying to people who are correctly pointing out he's wrong are something else. Totally unqualified to run for anything IMO

"Storey" County, but otherwise this man is correct and Vance is wrong. 

 

 

God I hope this jack wagon loses in November. 
 

Ohio Senate candidate J.D. Vance opposes bill to protect gay, interracial marriage rights
 

“U.S. Senate candidate J.D. Vance said Tuesday that he doesn't support federal legislation to codify protections for same-sex and interracial marriage, calling it a "bizarre distraction" from other issues.

 

Speaking to reporters at the Ohio State Fair, Vance characterized the bill as a solution in search of a problem.

 

"You have a sky-high inflation crisis, you have a huge recessionary problem, and we're arguing about rights that have already been granted by the Supreme Court," he said. "It seems like a bizarre distraction for a country that actually has much, much deeper and more serious crises."

 

Vance also argued that the proposal raises religious liberty concerns and doesn't balance marriage equality with the rights of churches or nonprofits to operate according to their values.“

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/08/02/ohio-senate-race-jd-vance-opposes-respect-marriage-act/10216223002/

I mean, split them up now then?

 

Don’t worry, the Supreme Court already granted those rights. They would never strip away any body’s rights!

 

On that front, Ryan is still making headway. Retiring Sen. Rob Portman’s former chief of staff John Bridgeland, a former director of George W. Bush’s Domestic Policy Council, is expected to author an endorsement on Ryan’s behalf in a coming Sunday edition of the Cincinnati Enquirer, as well as tap into his state-based Republican rolodex, POLITICO has learned.

“Tim is spending time in every county in Ohio, including heavily Republican counties in Southwest Ohio,” Bridgeland told POLITICO. “He’s really listening to people, wants to know what their concerns are. And J.D. Vance is tearing people apart. And the last thing this country needs right now are more people igniting the worst dimensions of human nature.”

US Senate Candidate Tim Ryan Uses Ohio State Fair Visit to Criticize Opponent

 

Democratic U.S. Senate nominee Tim Ryan bashed his Republican opponent J.D. Vance as “clueless,” and disengaged with policies that matter to Ohioans. Ryan spoke at the Ohio state fair a few days after Vance made a visit of his own.

 

Burn pits and electric vehicles

 

Shortly after judging a ribs and pulled pork competition last Tuesday, Vance declined to weigh in on so-called burn pits legislation or the political maneuvering that put the measure on life support before eventually passing.

 

“I honestly haven’t paid much attention to it, but I think that obviously veterans who are exposed to toxic injuries, we should be taking care of them,” Vance said. “The specific legislation, I’d be lying if I said I knew anything about it, other than it took care of veterans, which is a good idea to me.”

 

That wasn’t good enough for Ryan.

 

“This burn pits legislation has been on the agenda for two years. It’s named after Heath Robinson who died as a veteran from Ohio,” Ryan railed. “And every veteran — especially one who served like him — every veteran, Iraq and Afghanistan, knows about burn pits, and he’s asked about it and he doesn’t know? That just shows you he has no interest in representing the people of this state.”

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/us-senate-candidate-tim-ryan-ocj1/

 

19 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

US Senate Candidate Tim Ryan Uses Ohio State Fair Visit to Criticize Opponent

 

Democratic U.S. Senate nominee Tim Ryan bashed his Republican opponent J.D. Vance as “clueless,” and disengaged with policies that matter to Ohioans. Ryan spoke at the Ohio state fair a few days after Vance made a visit of his own.

 

Burn pits and electric vehicles

 

Shortly after judging a ribs and pulled pork competition last Tuesday, Vance declined to weigh in on so-called burn pits legislation or the political maneuvering that put the measure on life support before eventually passing.

 

“I honestly haven’t paid much attention to it, but I think that obviously veterans who are exposed to toxic injuries, we should be taking care of them,” Vance said. “The specific legislation, I’d be lying if I said I knew anything about it, other than it took care of veterans, which is a good idea to me.”

 

That wasn’t good enough for Ryan.

 

“This burn pits legislation has been on the agenda for two years. It’s named after Heath Robinson who died as a veteran from Ohio,” Ryan railed. “And every veteran — especially one who served like him — every veteran, Iraq and Afghanistan, knows about burn pits, and he’s asked about it and he doesn’t know? That just shows you he has no interest in representing the people of this state.”

 

More below:

https://columbusunderground.com/us-senate-candidate-tim-ryan-ocj1/

 

 

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“I think Democrats have a terrible brand, and I think Republicans have a terrible brand,” Ryan insisted. “I think it’s about the exhausted majority of people coming together regardless of party around being Americans and isolating the extremists.”

 

This is a really lazy take from Ryan, or at least it's a bit clunky.  Why is he talking about "brands?"  It seems like he's trying to say, "both sides are bad and are held hostage by extremists."

 

Just consider the past month, the differences...

 

-Republicans initially killed a bill to to expand health care benefits for veterans who developed illnesses due to their exposure to burn pits during military service (it eventually passed)

-Republicans killed a measure of the IRA (Inflation Reduction Act) to cap insulin costs at $35...despite railing against the rising cost for the past 4+ years

-Republicans largely want to outlaw abortion entirely around the country; Democrats have a wide range of views but very few (if any) are on the "outlaw entirely" side

-Democrats (but for Joe Manchin, it seems) want to pass universal pre-K coverage, an enhanced child tax credit, expansion of Medicare benefits, and establish a federally funded paid family & sick leave program.  Republicans oppose every measure.

-Democrats want to allow Medicare to be able to negotiate lower prescription drug prices.  Republicans do not.

 

You can keep going on down the line.

 

"Both parties are bad" is a lazy take - if that's what Ryan is trying to say.  But he's doing this weird thing talking about brands where it's not quite clear if he's also saying they're both terrible legislatively.

Anyway, here's Fox Business reporting on a new poll:

 

Modern polling is pretty bad, but here is the latest batch:

3 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

 

This is a really lazy take from Ryan, or at least it's a bit clunky.  Why is he talking about "brands?"  It seems like he's trying to say, "both sides are bad and are held hostage by extremists."

 

Just consider the past month, the differences...

 

-Republicans initially killed a bill to to expand health care benefits for veterans who developed illnesses due to their exposure to burn pits during military service (it eventually passed)

-Republicans killed a measure of the IRA (Inflation Reduction Act) to cap insulin costs at $35...despite railing against the rising cost for the past 4+ years

-Republicans largely want to outlaw abortion entirely around the country; Democrats have a wide range of views but very few (if any) are on the "outlaw entirely" side

-Democrats (but for Joe Manchin, it seems) want to pass universal pre-K coverage, an enhanced child tax credit, expansion of Medicare benefits, and establish a federally funded paid family & sick leave program.  Republicans oppose every measure.

-Democrats want to allow Medicare to be able to negotiate lower prescription drug prices.  Republicans do not.

 

You can keep going on down the line.

 

"Both parties are bad" is a lazy take - if that's what Ryan is trying to say.  But he's doing this weird thing talking about brands where it's not quite clear if he's also saying they're both terrible legislatively.

 

I have friends saying the same thing as you... 

 

Ryan is masterfully gathering voters in Ohio. I say this with all sincerity, but I think he's run the best statewide campaign I've ever seen from either party. He could be a purist, sure, and maybe he'd be right to do so. But this is where Democrats get in their own way. Is the purpose of Ryan's campaign to win Ohio, or is it to stick up to false equivalencies.

 

Again, to paraphrase Lincoln - "a compass will direct you true north, but it has no advice on navigating the swamps and chasms you'll encounter along the way. If you trudge ahead towards your true north, heedless of obstacles, only to die in a swamp - then what's the use of knowing true north?"

 

I'm telling you this as a conservative who's going to vote for him. He's absolutely killing it. 

Just now, YABO713 said:

I have friends saying the same thing as you... 

 

Ryan is masterfully gathering voters in Ohio. I say this with all sincerity, but I think he's run the best statewide campaign I've ever seen from either party. He could be a purist, sure, and maybe he'd be right to do so. But this is where Democrats get in their own way. Is the purpose of Ryan's campaign to win Ohio, or is it to stick up to false equivalencies.

 

Again, to paraphrase Lincoln - "a compass will direct you true north, but it has no advice on navigating the swamps and chasms you'll encounter along the way. If you trudge ahead towards your true north, heedless of obstacles, only to die in a swamp - then what's the use of knowing true north?"

 

I'm telling you this as a conservative who's going to vote for him. He's absolutely killing it. 

 

Based on the Kansas vote last week, I'm not sure he even needs to run a wishy-washy, vague, centrist type campaign at this point.

 

Obama won by 4.59% in 2008 and and 2.98% in 2012.

Sherrod Brown won by 12.4% in 2006, 6% in 2012, and 6.8% in 2018.

Ted Strickland won by 24% in 2006.

 

The only Democrats to win state-wide in Ohio this century, if I'm not mistaken, at least on the big tickets.  Dems won Secretary of State, Attorney General, and Treasurer in 2006, and Cordray won a special election for AG in 2008.  State Supreme Court seats are supposed to be non-partisan or whatever, but Democrats have won a handful there in the last 22 years.

36 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Based on the Kansas vote last week, I'm not sure he even needs to run a wishy-washy, vague, centrist type campaign at this point.

 

Obama won by 4.59% in 2008 and and 2.98% in 2012.

Sherrod Brown won by 12.4% in 2006, 6% in 2012, and 6.8% in 2018.

Ted Strickland won by 24% in 2006.

 

The only Democrats to win state-wide in Ohio this century, if I'm not mistaken, at least on the big tickets.  Dems won Secretary of State, Attorney General, and Treasurer in 2006, and Cordray won a special election for AG in 2008.  State Supreme Court seats are supposed to be non-partisan or whatever, but Democrats have won a handful there in the last 22 years.

 

Kansas is a fine comparison - but a referendum isn't the same as electing a candidate. 

 

Unfortunately, for the worse, our politics have changed drastically since 2016 - I don't think any of the comparisons are fair, save Sherrod in 2018. 

 

And to your point, Sherrod is pretty left leaning - but he also is calculated in how he communicates and identifies with blue collar voters, particularly white blue collar voters. Tim Ryan and him are both popular in Mahoning and SEO as Democrats - and that's incredibly hard to do in 2022. 

38 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Based on the Kansas vote last week, I'm not sure he even needs to run a wishy-washy, vague, centrist type campaign at this point.

 

Obama won by 4.59% in 2008 and and 2.98% in 2012.

Sherrod Brown won by 12.4% in 2006, 6% in 2012, and 6.8% in 2018.

Ted Strickland won by 24% in 2006.

 

The only Democrats to win state-wide in Ohio this century, if I'm not mistaken, at least on the big tickets.  Dems won Secretary of State, Attorney General, and Treasurer in 2006, and Cordray won a special election for AG in 2008.  State Supreme Court seats are supposed to be non-partisan or whatever, but Democrats have won a handful there in the last 22 years.

Nearly all of your voting examples are from 2006 and 2008, when the disastrous Bush administration had finally taken a popularity nose dive. THAT is what got the Democrats elected. Yes, I’d like to see Ryan closer to Brown’s style in campaigning. But far more important to me is the fact that I have confidence in Ryan as a Senator, supporting the causes I care about. And he has to win first. Yabo’s Lincoln quote is dead-on for this. 

I do appreciate the fact that Ryan needs to distance himself somewhat from the rest of the Democratic Party, but I think he should be careful about "tarnishing the brand" even further, as I think he is sometimes doing.  The Democratic Party would like other Democrats to be able to win elections in Ohio, as well, so that things can actually be done.  Presumably Ryan does, too.  He needs to stop salting the earth behind him, then.

9 minutes ago, X said:

I do appreciate the fact that Ryan needs to distance himself somewhat from the rest of the Democratic Party, but I think he should be careful about "tarnishing the brand" even further, as I think he is sometimes doing.  The Democratic Party would like other Democrats to be able to win elections in Ohio, as well, so that things can actually be done.  Presumably Ryan does, too.  He needs to stop salting the earth behind him, then.

 

If he does not, Vance only has to run against the current Democratic leadership, not against Ryan.

1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

Kansas is a fine comparison - but a referendum isn't the same as electing a candidate. 

 

Unfortunately, for the worse, our politics have changed drastically since 2016 - I don't think any of the comparisons are fair, save Sherrod in 2018. 

 

And to your point, Sherrod is pretty left leaning - but he also is calculated in how he communicates and identifies with blue collar voters, particularly white blue collar voters. Tim Ryan and him are both popular in Mahoning and SEO as Democrats - and that's incredibly hard to do in 2022. 

 

And to that point, Ted Strickland was a similar type of Dem. Popular in SEO, used folksy language, avoided liberal social stances on the campaign trail.

A highly recommend read from my friend and Ohio Native, Bush and Portman staffer, John Bridgeland: Republicans should be wary of JD Vance for US Senate in Ohio 

 

https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/2022/08/14/column-republicans-should-be-wary-of-jd-vance-for-us-senate-in-ohio/10246155002/

This seems to be a common theme. My father hasn’t voted for a Democrat since Jack Kennedy (McCain, Romney, Trump x2) etc… but is solidly in Ryan’s court. He even raised the same sentiment, of not liking Ryan’s policy as much, but thinks he’s a stronger and more honest man. I’m curious to see how this race plays out, it will certainly be close. 
As a side note, has anyone heard of Tim campaigning in any of the major cities? Youngstown and Steubenville will only carry you so far if you don’t run up the numbers in Cleveland and Cincinnati. 

12 hours ago, ELaunder said:

This seems to be a common theme. My father hasn’t voted for a Democrat since Jack Kennedy (McCain, Romney, Trump x2) etc… but is solidly in Ryan’s court. He even raised the same sentiment, of not liking Ryan’s policy as much, but thinks he’s a stronger and more honest man. I’m curious to see how this race plays out, it will certainly be close. 
As a side note, has anyone heard of Tim campaigning in any of the major cities? Youngstown and Steubenville will only carry you so far if you don’t run up the numbers in Cleveland and Cincinnati. 

 

Safe to say he has the votes in the big cities, not just because of who he's running against, but because of the other issues at stake like a plethora of rights under attack by the GOP.

I’ve noticed Tim Ryan dunking on Vance in the same vein as Fetterman vs Oz in PA lately.  It seems to be working well for Fetterman, so hopefully Ryan can gain some support by casting Vance as an outsider that doesn’t know Ohio.

 

 

Edited August 15, 20222 yr by acd
Embed tweet

“Journalists hoping to cover a Republican rally featuring Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Senate candidate J.D. Vance in Ohio will have to agree to give organizers access to any footage they take, and could face questions about what it will be used for.

That is among the controversial restrictions placed on journalists as a condition of receiving a press pass to cover Friday’s event, which is being organized by Turning Point Action, a conservative nonprofit led by activist Charlie Kirk.

The press policy also restricts journalists to specific events and parts of the venue, and bars them from recording speakers who do not wish to be filmed. Turning Point Action has warned that violators could be kicked out of the event.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/08/16/vance-desantis-rally-media-restrictions-ohio/

 

The first release from a major pollster, Emerson College, for the general election shows Vance +3. The result falls within their margin of error, but is likely a much clearer look into the electorate than those recent Ryan +10/11 polls from Center Street. 
 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/senate/ohio/

3 minutes ago, ELaunder said:

The first release from a major pollster, Emerson College, for the general election shows Vance +3. The result falls within their margin of error, but is likely a much clearer look into the electorate than those recent Ryan +10/11 polls from Center Street. 
 

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/senate/ohio/

Ryan should put up a good fight but I think it is Vances to lose still. 

1 hour ago, Pablo said:

“Journalists hoping to cover a Republican rally featuring Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Senate candidate J.D. Vance in Ohio will have to agree to give organizers access to any footage they take, and could face questions about what it will be used for.

That is among the controversial restrictions placed on journalists as a condition of receiving a press pass to cover Friday’s event, which is being organized by Turning Point Action, a conservative nonprofit led by activist Charlie Kirk.

The press policy also restricts journalists to specific events and parts of the venue, and bars them from recording speakers who do not wish to be filmed. Turning Point Action has warned that violators could be kicked out of the event.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2022/08/16/vance-desantis-rally-media-restrictions-ohio/

 

 

So much for freedom of the press, huh Republicans? Censorship? controlling content? The GOP is really trying to destroy this country.

16 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Ryan should put up a good fight but I think it is Vances to lose still. 

 

I sort of agree, but if I can use a poker analogy:

 

Suppose Vance has three tens and Ryan has K-Q-J-10 suited after the flop.  It might be Vance's to lose, but there a lot of ways he could lose.  If you're on Team Vance watching this hand play out on WSOP, you're sweating.

On 8/14/2022 at 11:42 AM, ELaunder said:

This seems to be a common theme. My father hasn’t voted for a Democrat since Jack Kennedy (McCain, Romney, Trump x2) etc… but is solidly in Ryan’s court. He even raised the same sentiment, of not liking Ryan’s policy as much, but thinks he’s a stronger and more honest man. I’m curious to see how this race plays out, it will certainly be close. 
As a side note, has anyone heard of Tim campaigning in any of the major cities? Youngstown and Steubenville will only carry you so far if you don’t run up the numbers in Cleveland and Cincinnati. 

 

He's done a ton of events in the Cincinnati, Cbus, and Cleveland cities and burbs. He's also done events in Portsmouth, Chillicothe, Athens, and Gallipolis--that I know of. 

1 hour ago, Gramarye said:

 

I sort of agree, but if I can use a poker analogy:

 

Suppose Vance has three tens and Ryan has K-Q-J-10 suited after the flop.  It might be Vance's to lose, but there a lot of ways he could lose.  If you're on Team Vance watching this hand play out on WSOP, you're sweating.

I agree with you. Ideally, Vance should have used his front runner position to bury the airwaves in May/June/July to define himself and his opponent. Of course that costs money, and it is not my money so who am I to tell him how to spend his money. 

3 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I agree with you. Ideally, Vance should have used his front runner position to bury the airwaves in May/June/July to define himself and his opponent. Of course that costs money, and it is not my money so who am I to tell him how to spend his money. 

 

National Republican group plans massive ad buy boosting J.D. Vance, signaling deepening GOP focus on Ohio’s Senate race

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/08/national-republican-group-plans-massive-ad-buy-boosting-jd-vance-signaling-deepening-gop-focus-on-ohios-senate-race.html

 

I would say that there is some worry about this race from the national party.