Jump to content

2022 U.S. Senate Race

Columbo
in Ohio Politics

Featured Replies

 

"They censor us," says U.S. Senate candidate in widely-available political ad.

 

 

 

Last year, Mandel called MLK's daughter Bernice a "race politics profiteer."  Today, he's invoking MLK's image on the Pettus bridge as some sort of reason that he's not a racist, but CRT is.

 

Anyway, banner day for grievance politics ads in Ohio.

Very Stable Genius

  • Replies 822
  • Views 42k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Posted Images

 

Very Stable Genius

  • 2 weeks later...

Looks likely that Mandel will win primary (🤮🤮🤮). Recent polling gives him the edge. Also funny that 45 was/is considering endorsing Vance considering Vance’s previous comments. 


I think a Mandel primary win gives Ryan the best chance of any potential R opponents. 
 

 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

2 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Looks likely that Mandel will win primary (🤮🤮🤮). Recent polling gives him the edge. Also funny that 45 was/is considering endorsing Vance considering Vance’s previous comments. 


I think a Mandel primary win gives Ryan the best chance of any potential R opponents. 
 

 

Mandel's ads literally are SNL sketches.  Like how can he actually be the GOP candidate?  Interesting that now Dolan is number 2 in the polls after being number 5 for so long.

So many people in my personal network are binging up how terrible Mandel's ads are -- both Democrats and Republicans. And there was an LTE in the Dispatch today calling them out as well.

Just now, GCrites80s said:

So many people in my personal network are binging up how terrible Mandel's ads are -- both Democrats and Republicans. And there was an LTE in the Dispatch today calling them out as well.

This sounds like a reaffirmation that Mandel will win the Ohio primary.   

2 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Also funny that 45 was/is considering endorsing Vance considering Vance’s previous comments.

He'll never admit it, but I think he realizes his endorsement is not a guarantee of a win and this is a high profile race.  If Trump picks Vance and he doesn't win the R primary, that's embarrassing. He's going to back the horse that has the highest odds to win the primary and try and save the embarrassment.  He's tried too many times to pick the best bootlicker and hasn't had a good enough winning percentage with that strategy.

8 hours ago, 10albersa said:

He'll never admit it, but I think he realizes his endorsement is not a guarantee of a win and this is a high profile race.  If Trump picks Vance and he doesn't win the R primary, that's embarrassing. He's going to back the horse that has the highest odds to win the primary and try and save the embarrassment.  He's tried too many times to pick the best bootlicker and hasn't had a good enough winning percentage with that strategy.

My understanding is that what you described is exactly what happened between the first tweet (“Vance endorsement coming”) and the reply (“the Vance endorsement didn’t happen because Mandel’s team pointed out that Vance would still lose”). What I was saying is that I’m very surprised 45 would even consider endorsing Vance considering how vocally critical Vance had been in 2015/2016. 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

Agreed.  2016 Trump would have written him off completely.  He clearly has some people tempering his anger and making slightly more strategic decisions for him now.

 

EDIT: And/Or Vance apologizing for his prior missteps and kissing the ring is one of Trump's kinks.

Edited by 10albersa

Wow, we desperately need voting reform. While I think Tim Ryan is better than all of these Republicans, the risk of having someone absurd like Madel win is too great. Mandel would probably have no chance if our primaries used IRV, Approval or STAR voting.

Imagine debasing yourself to the point that you sold yourself as the "pro Trump" candidate and not even getting that endorsement lmao

Very Stable Genius

2 hours ago, Dev said:

Wow, we desperately need voting reform. While I think Tim Ryan is better than all of these Republicans, the risk of having someone absurd like Madel win is too great. Mandel would probably have no chance if our primaries used IRV, Approval or STAR voting.

Agree on both counts. I just also think all the R’s except Dolan are completely disgraceful - the constant claims that the election was stolen are an absolute embarrassment. And I still strongly disagree w Dolan on policy.

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

3 hours ago, Dev said:

Wow, we desperately need voting reform. While I think Tim Ryan is better than all of these Republicans, the risk of having someone absurd like Madel win is too great. Mandel would probably have no chance if our primaries used IRV, Approval or STAR voting.

100% agree with the reform. The chance that Mandel may represent a state where over 60% despise him shows the inherent flaws in our system. 

Edited by cle_guy90

This really is quite surprising to me. I figured it’d be Gibbons to get the endorsement. 

 

 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

^ My interpretation of that tweet is that Trump views Mandel as a candidate that could lose in November, even with a Republican tilted landscape. He's likely right. I think Mandel is the only (R) candidate who could lose this November.  

Trumps endorsement....another reason NOT to vote for Vance lol.

 

Okay here's some free advice for commercials: just play Vance's comments about Ukraine, and slowly superimpose a Soviet hammer and sickle over his dumb face and voiceover "Come on Ohio, we cannot elect a communist Russian sympathizer as a senator." 

6 hours ago, Ethan said:

^ My interpretation of that tweet is that Trump views Mandel as a candidate that could lose in November, even with a Republican tilted landscape. He's likely right. I think Mandel is the only (R) candidate who could lose this November.  

My interpretation is that Trump sees Tim Ryan as a formidable opponent to any Republican candidate in the field and he's banking on the one who, if his guy can out Trump the others in the primary ... and an endorsement goes a long way in that ... has the best shot H2H against Ryan, who already has good name recognition, and due to his stature as a 6-4, 240 pound ex D1 football player from the Mahoning Valley, will have that tough guy look to those who aren't familiar with him. 

 

This is putting myself in whoever is advising Trump's shoes:

 

1. Mandel - As mentioned above, he's hated (for good reason). He can play up his military service, but he's as phony as a three-dollar bill. He's the type that (as evidence when he one his treasurer race) that can ride the coattails, but can't be the face of the party, which he would be this year (see him getting destroyed in 2012 by Sherrod Brown and then dropping out in 2018, where Renacci lost by Trump-like margins to Brown). On top of that, let's call a spade a spade, Mandel is Jewish and from Beachwood. That doesn't necessarily play up to the blue collar and evangelical base in SE and West Central Ohio. I agree, he is by far the weakest candidate in a general against somebody like Ryan who can (and likely will) play off that he is Sherrod Brown, but more physically imposing.

 

2. Jane Timken - She has the charisma of a rock. It's a coin flip between her and Mandel who is Ryan's easiest opponent. 

 

3. Matt Dolan - He hasn't bent the knee for Trump so he was never going to get the Trump endorsement, though he, to his credit, has never campaigned for it. His problem is, IMO, is that he is also Jewish (and from a billionaire family) so again, it's going to be hard for him against Ryan to capture the portion of the Republican base needed to win. And to his credit, he's not a complete scumbag (like Mandel) who will stoop to the lowest denominator to pander, but just don't see him playing well enough to bring the votes out like Trump did in order to beat somebody like Ryan.

 

4. Mike Gibbons - Honestly, I had no clue he was even polling as well as he has been since he has the least name recognition. Maybe he actually would be the most Trumpy candidate (especially when his "Gibbons for US Senate" bus blew by me and dozens of other cars at 70 MPH the other week trying to merge onto I-71 at Snow Road during a downpour when traffic was going about 45 MPH was a total Trump move). I don't see him having the name recognition to being able to beat Ryan (plus, it's moot because I would be stunned if he wins the primary without the Trump endorsement).

 

5. JD Vance - That leaves him as the last-man standing. While he has flip flopped and sunk to Mandel-level lows there, he has a couple of things in his favor. He's not from Cuyahoga County (or Greater Cleveland); he's not Jewish (that's not a knock to me but I'm also not an evangelical, or even a practicing Christian); and he has done a great job being able to deflect being venture capitalist (which plays well with the establishment) instead being known for "Hillbilly Elegy" (which plays well with the blue-collar Trump voters). If the Trump endorsement can push him past the others in the primary field, he would have the best shot at knocking of Ryan.

 

It may sound crazy that I'm saying Tim Ryan would be the favorite over four of the five Republicans in the field, but the Trump endorsement of Vance, I would argue, shows just that and that he is a candidate that they are taking very seriously. Tim Ryan checks off a lot of boxes for blue collar workers (except the D by his name). But as Sherrod Brown has shown, that D by the name isn't automatic defeat.

 

You can come back to this, but I'll make a guarantee. Whoever wins the Republican nomination will refuse to debate Tim Ryan. No way a party that's whole image is based on tough-guy talk and rhetoric is going to get emasculated by Ryan. Instead, they will stick to proxy rhetoric via ads. If Timken somehow were to win, she won't debate him either. Not due to being emasculated, but rather because you would have to check her pulse to see if she is still breathing. ... low energy, lol.

Edited by Rando Sinclair

9 hours ago, Rando Sinclair said:

3. Matt Dolan - He hasn't bent the knee for Trump so he was never going to get the Trump endorsement, though he, to his credit, has never campaigned for it. His problem is, IMO, is that he is also Jewish (and from a billionaire family) so again, it's going to be hard for him against Ryan to capture the portion of the Republican base needed to win. And to his credit, he's not a complete scumbag (like Mandel) who will stoop to the lowest denominator to pander, but just don't see him playing well enough to bring the votes out like Trump did in order to beat somebody like Ryan.

….

It may sound crazy that I'm saying Tim Ryan would be the favorite over four of the five Republicans in the field, but the Trump endorsement of Vance, I would argue, shows just that and that he is a candidate that they are taking very seriously. Tim Ryan checks off a lot of boxes for blue collar workers (except the D by his name). But as Sherrod Brown has shown, that D by the name isn't automatic defeat.

I’m pretty sure Dolan is not Jewish. I’ve never heard him or his family referred to as Jewish; I can’t find anything on the internet referring to them as Jewish; and Dolan is an Irish name.

 

Also, whoever the R nominee is will be the favorite in November (unfortunately). I do agree that Ryan has the best shot against Mandel and a decent shot against any of them, but calling him the favorite against any of them is a big stretch. 
 

Hopefully 45 not being on the ballot helps the D cause this November (by driving down MAGA-voter enthusiasm). 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

^Right, when voting isn't a part of a Harley Rodeo they aren't as likely to turn up.

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

I’m pretty sure Dolan is not Jewish. I’ve never heard him or his family referred to as Jewish; I can’t find anything on the internet referring to them as Jewish; and Dolan is an Irish name.

 

Also, whoever the R nominee is will be the favorite in November (unfortunately). I do agree that Ryan has the best shot against Mandel and a decent shot against any of them, but calling him the favorite against any of them is a big stretch. 
 

Hopefully 45 not being on the ballot helps the D cause this November (by driving down MAGA-voter enthusiasm). 

Yeah Mandel is the Democrats best chance of winning.  He grates on me more than the other crazy Republicans like Gibbons and he does so by a good margin which says a lot.  He reminds me of an arrogant, rich frat boy and I think lots of people including Republicans get that vibe.  He is extremely unlikable for many.  

 

I will also say Tim Ryan is running a great campaign.  Not talking about Republicans or Trump.  Just focusing on the buzzwords for the blue collar middle class which are "jobs" and "China."

3 minutes ago, cle_guy90 said:

Yeah Mandel is the Democrats best chance of winning.  He grates on me more than the other crazy Republicans like Gibbons and he does so by a good margin which says a lot.  He reminds me of an arrogant, rich frat boy and I think lots of people including Republicans get that vibe.  He is extremely unlikable for many.  

 

I will also say Tim Ryan is running a great campaign.  Not talking about Republicans or Trump.  Just focusing on the buzzwords for the blue collar middle class which are "jobs" and "China."

Mandel's main "pillar" of his campaign is his being a former marine with two tours of duty.  Nothing wrong in the least with him being a marine or the tours of duty.  Quite commendable, but what does that have to do with the bigger picture?  Otherwise, his campaign is hollow, aside from a brief run stating of what he did as state treasurer.  He keeps on going back to his military service and attacking those who are questioning his other "qualifications".  And yes, he does come off as being an arrogant, rich, obnoxious frat boy.  I can't stand him either.

He doesn't seem like the kind of service member other service members and veterans like.

9 hours ago, Rando Sinclair said:

My interpretation is that Trump sees Tim Ryan as a formidable opponent to any Republican candidate in the field and he's banking on the one who, if his guy can out Trump the others in the primary ... and an endorsement goes a long way in that ... has the best shot H2H against Ryan, who already has good name recognition, and due to his stature as a 6-4, 240 pound ex D1 football player from the Mahoning Valley, will have that tough guy look to those who aren't familiar with him. 

 

This is putting myself in whoever is advising Trump's shoes:

 

1. Mandel - As mentioned above, he's hated (for good reason). He can play up his military service, but he's as phony as a three-dollar bill. He's the type that (as evidence when he one his treasurer race) that can ride the coattails, but can't be the face of the party, which he would be this year (see him getting destroyed in 2012 by Sherrod Brown and then dropping out in 2018, where Renacci lost by Trump-like margins to Brown). On top of that, let's call a spade a spade, Mandel is Jewish and from Beachwood. That doesn't necessarily play up to the blue collar and evangelical base in SE and West Central Ohio. I agree, he is by far the weakest candidate in a general against somebody like Ryan who can (and likely will) play off that he is Sherrod Brown, but more physically imposing.

 

2. Jane Timken - She has the charisma of a rock. It's a coin flip between her and Mandel who is Ryan's easiest opponent. 

 

3. Matt Dolan - He hasn't bent the knee for Trump so he was never going to get the Trump endorsement, though he, to his credit, has never campaigned for it. His problem is, IMO, is that he is also Jewish (and from a billionaire family) so again, it's going to be hard for him against Ryan to capture the portion of the Republican base needed to win. And to his credit, he's not a complete scumbag (like Mandel) who will stoop to the lowest denominator to pander, but just don't see him playing well enough to bring the votes out like Trump did in order to beat somebody like Ryan.

 

4. Mike Gibbons - Honestly, I had no clue he was even polling as well as he has been since he has the least name recognition. Maybe he actually would be the most Trumpy candidate (especially when his "Gibbons for US Senate" bus blew by me and dozens of other cars at 70 MPH the other week trying to merge onto I-71 at Snow Road during a downpour when traffic was going about 45 MPH was a total Trump move). I don't see him having the name recognition to being able to beat Ryan (plus, it's moot because I would be stunned if he wins the primary without the Trump endorsement).

 

5. JD Vance - That leaves him as the last-man standing. While he has flip flopped and sunk to Mandel-level lows there, he has a couple of things in his favor. He's not from Cuyahoga County (or Greater Cleveland); he's not Jewish (that's not a knock to me but I'm also not an evangelical, or even a practicing Christian); and he has done a great job being able to deflect being venture capitalist (which plays well with the establishment) instead being known for "Hillbilly Elegy" (which plays well with the blue-collar Trump voters). If the Trump endorsement can push him past the others in the primary field, he would have the best shot at knocking of Ryan.

 

It may sound crazy that I'm saying Tim Ryan would be the favorite over four of the five Republicans in the field, but the Trump endorsement of Vance, I would argue, shows just that and that he is a candidate that they are taking very seriously. Tim Ryan checks off a lot of boxes for blue collar workers (except the D by his name). But as Sherrod Brown has shown, that D by the name isn't automatic defeat.

 

You can come back to this, but I'll make a guarantee. Whoever wins the Republican nomination will refuse to debate Tim Ryan. No way a party that's whole image is based on tough-guy talk and rhetoric is going to get emasculated by Ryan. Instead, they will stick to proxy rhetoric via ads. If Timken somehow were to win, she won't debate him either. Not due to being emasculated, but rather because you would have to check her pulse to see if she is still breathing. ... low energy, lol.

Good write up, but as Brian said, you're being overly optimistic. Ohio went +8 to Trump in a Biden +4 national environment. This year is not going to be +4 for the Democrats nationally, so this race is really on the Republicans to lose. Mandel might just be able to do it, as others have pointed out he's very unlikeable, and comes across as unhinged. The rest of the field aren't exactly strong candidates, but can likely skate through by virtue of having an R by their name. 

 

(Also, I REALLY don't think being Jewish matters to 95+% of Republican voters. The preeminent conservative pundit right now is probably Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew. Other than for the crazies, being Jewish is a total non issue).

 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

I’m pretty sure Dolan is not Jewish. I’ve never heard him or his family referred to as Jewish; I can’t find anything on the internet referring to them as Jewish; and Dolan is an Irish name.

 

Also, whoever the R nominee is will be the favorite in November (unfortunately). I do agree that Ryan has the best shot against Mandel and a decent shot against any of them, but calling him the favorite against any of them is a big stretch. 
 

Hopefully 45 not being on the ballot helps the D cause this November (by driving down MAGA-voter enthusiasm). 

Trump also turns away some would be R voters, particularly suburban women. The worst case scenario for Dems is the Virginia scenario, where the Maga vote comes out, but Trump stays out of the spotlight, and doesn't drive away the Suburban vote. Trump sure likes the spotlight though, so I doubt he will.

 

Also, I think Trump went with Vance because he's a pseudo celebrity. Similar to why he's backing Oz in PA. Smart choice or not, Trump is clearly drawn to celebrity. 

23 minutes ago, Ethan said:

Good write up, but as Brian said, you're being overly optimistic. Ohio went +8 to Trump in a Biden +4 national environment. This year is not going to be +4 for the Democrats nationally, so this race is really on the Republicans to lose. Mandel might just be able to do it, as others have pointed out he's very unlikeable, and comes across as unhinged. The rest of the field aren't exactly strong candidates, but can likely skate through by virtue of having an R by their name. 

 

(Also, I REALLY don't think being Jewish matters to 95+% of Republican voters. The preeminent conservative pundit right now is probably Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew. Other than for the crazies, being Jewish is a total non issue).

 

Trump also turns away some would be R voters, particularly suburban women. The worst case scenario for Dems is the Virginia scenario, where the Maga vote comes out, but Trump stays out of the spotlight, and doesn't drive away the Suburban vote. Trump sure likes the spotlight though, so I doubt he will.

 

Also, I think Trump went with Vance because he's a pseudo celebrity. Similar to why he's backing Oz in PA. Smart choice or not, Trump is clearly drawn to celebrity. 

100% agree on your first 3 paragraphs.

 

As to why T endorsed Vance, I have have no idea. It’s not like Vance has been polling particularly well. My guess is that it’s because all the others are unlikeable and/or uncharismatic. But those things are also true of Vance, so who knows. 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

 

14 hours ago, Rando Sinclair said:

 

 

You can come back to this, but I'll make a guarantee. Whoever wins the Republican nomination will refuse to debate Tim Ryan. No way a party that's whole image is based on tough-guy talk and rhetoric is going to get emasculated by Ryan. Instead, they will stick to proxy rhetoric via ads. If Timken somehow were to win, she won't debate him either. Not due to being emasculated, but rather because you would have to check her pulse to see if she is still breathing. ... low energy, lol.

 

Of course not.   Because they are not running against Tim Ryan.    They are running against Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer et al.   They are going to make the point that they, not a hypothetical junior Senator from what they consider the flyover, call the shots for the national Democratic Party.   That is indeed the truth, and it is probably going to work.

Which is why Ryan should have run for governor, where he would have had a good chance.

On 4/15/2022 at 9:15 AM, 10albersa said:

Agreed.  2016 Trump would have written him off completely.  He clearly has some people tempering his anger and making slightly more strategic decisions for him now.

 

EDIT: And/Or Vance apologizing for his prior missteps and kissing the ring is one of Trump's kinks.

 

Most of the stuff 2016 Vance hated about Trump has gone away or become irrelevant.  DJT changed significantly.

 

Also, like most alpha egotists Trump is big on receiving a good deal of deference, but has no respect for the overly obsequious.    It's a fine line with him, and Mandel crossed it by a big margin.

Dolan's far and away the best choice, but I can support Vance without holding my nose too hard.

Edited by E Rocc

40 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Most of the stuff 2016 Vance hated about Trump has gone away or become irrelevant.  DJT changed significantly.

DJT is EXACTLY who he has always been. 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

Let's hope so...

 

 

Do you know of any democrats that are voting republican in the Ohio primary? I know of some people who have done that in the past because they think it’s the best way to keep the craziest republicans from office. I believe this is the only chance Dolan has. Also, in the latest poll DeWine only had 40% with his two opponents having 26% and 20% respectively so it would help ensure that he would win as well.

23 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

I’m pretty sure Dolan is not Jewish. I’ve never heard him or his family referred to as Jewish; I can’t find anything on the internet referring to them as Jewish; and Dolan is an Irish name.

I believe you are correct.  In this article with the Jewish Insider, Dolan says he's Catholic.  

 

Dolan: It definitely had to do with my Catholic faith and listening to my mother and my sister talking about the issue with me, and maybe even more personal: My son’s mother and my wife at the time, we had a miscarriage, and that had a dramatic impact on me as to what life really means.

 

https://jewishinsider.com/2021/09/matt-dolan-walks-an-uncharted-path-in-ohios-republican-senate-primary/

45 minutes ago, Clefan98 said:

Let's hope so...

 

 

 

Boy, that would be nice.  But right now, I fear there is no bottom.

1 hour ago, cle_guy90 said:

Do you know of any democrats that are voting republican in the Ohio primary? I know of some people who have done that in the past because they think it’s the best way to keep the craziest republicans from office. I believe this is the only chance Dolan has. Also, in the latest poll DeWine only had 40% with his two opponents having 26% and 20% respectively so it would help ensure that he would win as well.

That is currently what I plan on doing. I’ll vote D in the general, but I realize Republicans are most likely to win any at large race. And if that ends up the case, I would at least like the most sensible ones in charge. 

It’s really important to me that Nan Whaley beats Cranley in the primary, so I’m definitely pulling the D ballot. 
 

Thanks for the article and quote @Cleburger - I was looking for something that clear and just couldn’t find it. 

When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?

17 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

It’s really important to me that Nan Whaley beats Cranley in the primary, so I’m definitely pulling the D ballot. 
 

Thanks for the article and quote @Cleburger - I was looking for something that clear and just couldn’t find it. 

 

Agreed.

46 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

It’s really important to me that Nan Whaley beats Cranley in the primary, so I’m definitely pulling the D ballot. 
 

Thanks for the article and quote @Cleburger - I was looking for something that clear and just couldn’t find it. 

 

I feel like Cranley insults parts of Ohio that are not Cincinnati or Columbus in his ads.

7 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

It’s really important to me that Nan Whaley beats Cranley in the primary, so I’m definitely pulling the D ballot.


+1

On 4/17/2022 at 10:42 AM, Cleburger said:

I believe you are correct.  In this article with the Jewish Insider, Dolan says he's Catholic.  

 

Dolan: It definitely had to do with my Catholic faith and listening to my mother and my sister talking about the issue with me, and maybe even more personal: My son’s mother and my wife at the time, we had a miscarriage, and that had a dramatic impact on me as to what life really means.

 

https://jewishinsider.com/2021/09/matt-dolan-walks-an-uncharted-path-in-ohios-republican-senate-primary/

I apologize for that gaffe, I don't know why I thought the Dolans were Jewish. While faith is not a factor for me, I understand how it can be for many voters and I did not mean to spread false information. 

 

Granted I'm a Democrat, but I agree with the sentiment that Dolan is far and away the best choice (regardless of faith) out of a cesspool of Republican candidates in this primary. He would be the most Portman (pre-2021) candidate, but I doubt he can survive the primary. Though, if I was part of the still relatively large establishment portion of the Ohio GOP, I would urge Jane Timken to get out of the race and try to consolidate her support into Dolan's. Then, there is a shot since it probably will only take 30% or so to win.

 

As far as flipping over to R to vote Dolan, count me out as well because the D governor race is too important, IMO, and one that I've personally have not decided on who to support.

I somehow think Trump won't withdraw his endorsement, despite this news....   Heil, mein Führer!

 

Haha, can this Vance idiot look any worse? 

24 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Haha, can this Vance idiot look any worse? 

In a sane world (even a sane political world) you can't. But I'm sure it will be spun that:

 

A) that is really how he still feels ... to the anti-Trump Republicans

B) that is how he used to feel ... to the Trump crowd.

 

The people who subscribe to B probably like him even more.

 

To a reasonable person, he is now either fully in the B category or he is in the C category.

 

C) He's gone full Mandel and because he has no spine will do/say whatever it takes to contort himself into whatever fits his political agenda ... So yeah, if the shoe fits. Way to go full Mandel, JD.

7 minutes ago, Rando Sinclair said:

In a sane world (even a sane political world) you can't. But I'm sure it will be spun that:

 

A) that is really how he still feels ... to the anti-Trump Republicans

B) that is how he used to feel ... to the Trump crowd.

 

The people who subscribe to B probably like him even more.

 

To a reasonable person, he is now either fully in the B category or he is in the C category.

 

C) He's gone full Mandel and because he has no spine will do/say whatever it takes to contort himself into whatever fits his political agenda ... So yeah, if the shoe fits. Way to go full Mandel, JD.

Sorry to quote myself, but this should be something that Tim Ryan can jump on. After reading the Vance text message, if he stuck to that stance, it is actually something that would resonate for the majority of Ohioans. Then again, the only thing I would really pick apart is the "maybe" even working class black voters. What's the maybe about that???

 

You reach out to just working class Ohioans in general and you'll do pretty well both philosophically and politically. But then, you are basically subscribing to the Sherrod Brown/Tim Ryan platform (which has proven to be pretty popular in this state).

 

Very Stable Genius

^ More criminally stupid nonsense from the blathering idiot. 

This season has been full of absolutely awful campaign commercials but the latest Josh Mandel ad is really something else. It's just him looking into the camera saying, "Boys and boys and girls are girls. Black Lives Matter? They're the racists." and other culture war taglines. Complete and total clown show.

And they've got him sitting in a way that makes him look way fatter and older than he is.

I did not think Ohio had runnoffs like Louisiana and Georgia?

6 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

Doesn't that result in a run-off, though?

 

No

 

https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_elections_in_Ohio

 

Winners in Ohio primary elections are determined via plurality vote, meaning that the candidate with the highest number of votes wins even if he or she did not win an outright majority of votes cast.

9 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I did not think Ohio had runnoffs like Louisiana and Georgia?

Runoffs usually occur where the White majority is smaller, especially in the South. That way a minority candidate is much less likely to won't win in a 3-way race with multiple white candidates.  

Go to topic listing

Recently Browsing 0

  • No registered users viewing this page.