10 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

The "swing voters" in Ohio couldn't even be convinced to vote for Biden over Trump. That tells you everything you need to know. I don't see a Democrat winning regardless of who is nominated. Barring some enormous scandal beyond anything we've seen, it'll be the republican nominee who wins in 2022. But I guess this is a conversation for the Gubernatorial election thread.

 

A healthy Joe Biden and/or a VP candidate those swing voters didn't consider reprehensible would have been competitive.   Biden with Tim Ryan would have won.

I'm on record as saying if Tim ran against DeWine I'd probably vote for him, especially with one or both of the legislative houses staying Republican.   But not for the Senate.    Ohio's not going to vote to keep Schumer as Majority Leader. 

Republicans who proclaim themselves to be moderates will find any excuse to not vote for a Democrat. When presented with the worst candidate imaginable, they fell in line. Twice.

6 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

A healthy Joe Biden and/or a VP candidate those swing voters didn't consider reprehensible would have been competitive.   Biden with Tim Ryan would have won.

Trump won OH by 8 points. The idea that Ryan as VP would have given Biden the win is not supported by evidence. People vote for the top of the ticket, not the VP choice. 

9 hours ago, E Rocc said:

 

A healthy Joe Biden and/or a VP candidate those swing voters didn't consider reprehensible would have been competitive.   Biden with Tim Ryan would have won.

I'm on record as saying if Tim ran against DeWine I'd probably vote for him, especially with one or both of the legislative houses staying Republican.   But not for the Senate.    Ohio's not going to vote to keep Schumer as Majority Leader. 

Ryan would have a much better time winning governor than Senate. I agree with you on this

11 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Trump won OH by 8 points. The idea that Ryan as VP would have given Biden the win is not supported by evidence. People vote for the top of the ticket, not the VP choice. 

 

Biden's issues made the VP choice a lot more relevant than normal last year.   

9 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Ryan would have a much better time winning governor than Senate. I agree with you on this

 

It would also set him up for a possible Presidential run in the future.  Governors tend to make more viable candidates than Senators because they now have executive experience.   Legislator and executive are very different skill sets indeed.

2 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Biden's issues made the VP choice a lot more relevant than normal last year.   

If the difference had been a few thousand votes, or even 10k votes, MAYBE it would have made a difference. But the Ohio vote margin was on the order of 470k out of 5.9M votes. A different VP pick definitively would not have made a difference in the outcome in Ohio, which was your original claim. 

Nan Whaley has picked Cheryl Stephens as her gubernatorial running mate. Feels like a low profile pick to me, but I’m glad to see the Cuyahoga connection. Email from Nan’s campaign:
 

“I couldn’t be more excited to announce that Cheryl Stephens is joining Team Nan as my running mate!

 

“The former Mayor of Cleveland Heights and a Cuyahoga County council member, Cheryl’s work across Ohio has made this state better, and I know she’ll make an incredible Lieutenant Governor. I’m looking forward to working together to help families all over Ohio.”

38 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Nan Whaley has picked Cheryl Stephens as her gubernatorial running mate. Feels like a low profile pick to me, but I’m glad to see the Cuyahoga connection. Email from Nan’s campaign:
 

“I couldn’t be more excited to announce that Cheryl Stephens is joining Team Nan as my running mate!

 

“The former Mayor of Cleveland Heights and a Cuyahoga County council member, Cheryl’s work across Ohio has made this state better, and I know she’ll make an incredible Lieutenant Governor. I’m looking forward to working together to help families all over Ohio.”

 

And John Cranley announced that Toledo-area senator Theresa Fedor would be his running mate.

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/01/ohio-democratic-governor-hopefuls-john-cranley-nan-whaley-unveil-running-mates.html

Martin Sheen endorses Nan:

 

 

Trump conquered Ohio. Now his followers want the governorship.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/25/trump-ohio-governorship-00001603

 

STRONGSVILLE, Ohio — GOP governors across the country are staring down a wave of Trump-inspired primary challengers. Former Rep. Jim Renacci hopes to be a success story for them in Ohio.

 

The former congressman is challenging Gov. Mike DeWine, a mainstay of Ohio Republican politics for decades who is seeking reelection to a second term in November, more than 30 years after his first run for statewide office. Renacci is pouring his own money into the race against the incumbent, trying to push DeWine out in favor of a candidate who claims to more wholly embody the Republican Party shaped by former President Donald Trump ...

 

And Renacci’s camp is working hard to try to create a wedge between Trump and DeWine. “Jim Renacci's the only Trump candidate,” Parscale said. “And it is clear from the data that Mike DeWine is the anti-Trump candidate.”

 

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I call shenanigans, and I also call this: DeWine's old-school big-business Republican politics are a big part of what helped land Intel here.  A Trumpist clown show in the governor's mansion could very easily have driven that site somewhere else.  Intel had options.  And that's just the largest and most recent example.

 

I also called this in the now-locked Trump Presidency thread in the Current Events section: If Trump had done a better job managing the pandemic, he'd have won reelection in 2020.  And by "better job," I meant "as good as DeWine did in Ohio."  He wouldn't have needed to achieve New Zealand-esque levels of containment.

59 minutes ago, Gramarye said:

 

I call shenanigans, and I also call this: DeWine's old-school big-business Republican politics are a big part of what helped land Intel here.  A Trumpist clown show in the governor's mansion could very easily have driven that site somewhere else.  Intel had options.  And that's just the largest and most recent example.

 

I also called this in the now-locked Trump Presidency thread in the Current Events section: If Trump had done a better job managing the pandemic, he'd have won reelection in 2020.  And by "better job," I meant "as good as DeWine did in Ohio."  He wouldn't have needed to achieve New Zealand-esque levels of containment.

 

If Richard Cordray were Governor we'd still have Intel. But I agree that a far right guy like Renacci would have disastrous consequences for business in this state. I also agree Trump would've probably been re-elected if he was competent at managing the pandemic.

1 minute ago, DEPACincy said:

 

If Richard Cordray were Governor we'd still have Intel. But I agree that a far right guy like Renacci would have disastrous consequences for business in this state. I also agree Trump would've probably been re-elected if he was competent at managing the pandemic.

 

Agreed on Cordray.  The 2018 gubernatorial election here was a strong field.

On 8/10/2021 at 9:55 AM, ryanlammi said:

If they are the only two major candidates on the ballot, I'll be interested to see how Dayton and Cincinnati both vote in the primary. I would guess Whaley would get something like 80-90% of the primary votes in Dayton, and maybe 30-40% of the Cincinnati votes. I doubt she would win Cincinnati, but a lot of people down here don't like Cranley, and he isn't going to get the votes from the Republicans he's accustomed to getting in city elections here.

 

 

Do we have polls re: what Nan Whaley's name recognition and/or favorables are in the Cleveland market?  I get the sense that she's still not a household name here.  My impression is that she's a known name among what I'd call the "chattering classes" or the politically active Clevelanders, but her name recognition doesn't extend that far beyond that set.

no polls I'm aware of. Whaley claims to lead in every market over Cranley except Cincinnati.

 

It was an internal poll, and I don't believe every detail was released.

 

https://nanwhaley.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Clarity-Nan-Whaley-OH-Gov-Primary-Jan-2022-Poll-Memo.pdf

Nan gets Sherrod’s endorsement:

 

No surprise that this anti-transit candidate would want to take another step to subsidize private car ownership even more:

 

 

And then he has the gall to say this:
 

 

A year ago I didn't think Dewine would even get renominated, now I don't think he can lose.   He boosted his credentials on the right a lot by signing Constitutional Carry.  Renacci might have had a chance, but these candidates like Blystone (who?) are splitting the conservative vote.

14 hours ago, taestell said:

No surprise that this anti-transit candidate would want to take another step to subsidize private car ownership even more:

 

 

 

He knows that if gas prices and inflation stay high, the Democrats are not only going to get beaten but crushed in November.   

On 4/22/2022 at 11:39 AM, E Rocc said:

 

He knows that if gas prices and inflation stay high, the Democrats are not only going to get beaten but crushed in November.   

 

I sure wish we lived in a world where people took like 5 minutes to understand how inflation and energy prices work.  Or really any global issue of any kind.  What a better world that might be.

On 4/22/2022 at 12:37 PM, E Rocc said:

but these candidates like Blystone (who?) are splitting the conservative vote.

 

This guy lives about 5 minutes from me and was butthurt that the taproom at his farm got shut down during quarantine. First thing I thought of when he released his cowboy campaign theme was, "That's not going to play in Cleveland." Or Toledo for that matter.

7 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I sure wish we lived in a world where people took like 5 minutes to understand how inflation and energy prices work.  Or really any global issue of any kind.  What a better world that might be.

This is why the GQP is so anti-education. 

11 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

 

This guy lives about 5 minutes from me and was butthurt that the taproom at his farm got shut down during quarantine. First thing I thought of when he released his cowboy campaign theme was, "That's not going to play in Cleveland." Or Toledo for that matter.

 

It's not doing horribly in the suburbs, especially the borderlands between Cleveland and Akron.   And I can empathize with that reason.  But he's not running against Dewine, he's running against Renacci and I haven't seen a single reason to support him over the latter.    All he's doing now is helping Dewine.

 

47 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Voting Nan Whaley over John Cranley is also important. 
Turner vs Shontel - it’s a different map, so who knows how that will turn out. 

 

@Boomerang_Brian Reposting here so we don't get off topic. Why do you think Whaley over Cranley is very important? Seems like a less significant difference than Dewine over Renacci (tho Renacci's probably toast).

Cranley's first initiative when he took office was to try to kill their under construction streetcar project. As somebody that hopes to see that type of transit development in all the 3C's, hard pass on Cranley.

Edited May 2, 20223 yr by Mendo

1 hour ago, Mendo said:

Cranley's first initiative when he took office was to try to kill their under construction streetcar project. As somebody that hopes to see that type of transit development in all the 3C's, hard pass on Cranley.

Thanks, that's helpful.

10 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Thanks, that's helpful.

If there is any hope for the Dems to win the governors office in Ohio it would be with Cranley. He is very pro-business and fiscally conservative. Much more than Whaley. I have known both personally and both are more traditional Democrats but Cranley is more moderate/conservative, especially when it comes to business and development. Socially, he is fairly liberal but he is also Pro-Life. 

Whaley, I am not sure where she stands on the matter as much. 

 

I am tempted to vote for Cranley over Dewine because of Cranley's strong pro-business stances. 

2 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

 

 

@Boomerang_Brian Reposting here so we don't get off topic. Why do you think Whaley over Cranley is very important? Seems like a less significant difference than Dewine over Renacci (tho Renacci's probably toast).

@Mendo hit the big one. The Cincy transit advocates on here strongly dislike Cranley. He’s also knee deep in pay-to-play development schemes. On other issues, Nan Whaley is a long time advocate on abortion rights and probably better on gun safety. I think she’s more likely to get women to vote for her, which will be critical to actually winning. And to be clear, I would still vote for Cranley over any R running, but that’s much more a comment on the R party in general. 

 

Also shocking that Brutus is making stuff up about Cranley. 
 

 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Also shocking that Brutus is making stuff up about Cranley. 

 

Cranley did start his political career as an anti-abortion Democrat when he was first running for office like 15-20 years ago. But he has since avoided talking about it for the most part, and typically shares stuff about the Republicans going too far with restrictions. He might actually be pro-choice now, I don't know.

21 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

 

Cranley did start his political career as an anti-abortion Democrat when he was first running for office like 15-20 years ago. But he has since avoided talking about it for the most part, and typically shares stuff about the Republicans going too far with restrictions. He might actually be pro-choice now, I don't know.

Wasn’t following him at that point, but based on more recent comments I assumed he had been anti abortion at some point. (That’s part of the reason I think Whaley is the better choice.) But as the quoted Tweet shows, he is clearly positioning himself as pro-choice now. 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

@Mendo hit the big one. The Cincy transit advocates on here strongly dislike Cranley. He’s also knee deep in pay-to-play development schemes. On other issues, Nan Whaley is a long time advocate on abortion rights and probably better on gun safety. I think she’s more likely to get women to vote for her, which will be critical to actually winning. And to be clear, I would still vote for Cranley over any R running, but that’s much more a comment on the R party in general. 

 

Also shocking that Brutus is making stuff up about Cranley. 
 

 

Cranley is publicly pro choice now, he has not always been. In general he tends to lean pro life side but in today’s dem party you can’t say that out loud. There is nothing wrong with it. He is someone who actually understands both sides. He can be short and has a temper but he is a good guy on the whole

2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Socially, he is fairly liberal but he is also Pro-Life. 

 

2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

 

2 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Cranley is publicly pro choice now, he has not always been. In general he tends to lean pro life side but in today’s dem party you can’t say that out loud. There is nothing wrong with it. He is someone who actually understands both sides. He can be short and has a temper but he is a good guy on the whole

These are two different things. This is basic fact checking. 
 

There is nothing wrong with being personally against abortion. It is the government forcing that view on everyone else that I take issue with. Abortion rights are one of the most important rights. I will continue to vote for pro-choice candidates and against anti-choice candidates. 

40 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

These are two different things. This is basic fact checking. 
 

There is nothing wrong with being personally against abortion. It is the government forcing that view on everyone else that I take issue with. Abortion rights are one of the most important rights. I will continue to vote for pro-choice candidates and against anti-choice candidates. 

Every Dem outside of Manchin and Casey are pro-choice. It is a litmus test to be elected. I was not wrong with what I said, but I could have expressed it more clearly. 

The choice is simple: Nan's amazing and Cranley is not.  Please vote for Nan, thanks.

 

And for the record, I'd vote for DeWine over Cranley anydayoftheweek.

1 hour ago, ryanlammi said:

 

Cranley did start his political career as an anti-abortion Democrat when he was first running for office like 15-20 years ago. But he has since avoided talking about it for the most part, and typically shares stuff about the Republicans going too far with restrictions. He might actually be pro-choice now, I don't know.

 

He has stated that due to fertility issues in his family he has since changed his mind to pro-choice.

 

John Cranley: “We will stand up for individual rights but at the same time support policies to expand contraceptive access, provide child care, and the early educational assistance that help families thrive.

“I am pro-choice, and as governor I will veto any effort to undermine reproductive freedom. Raised in a Catholic household, I started out in a different place on this issue, like Tim Ryan, Joe Biden and many others. About 15 years ago, my wife, Dena, and I wanted to start a family. We went through some very personal fertility decisions. During that process, it became clear to me what Dena was already telling me: Government has no role in reproductive decisions.

 

https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/abortion-where-do-ohios-governor-candidates-stand/2DKV6MKSCVAJZDDPJGFPDMZQY4/

6 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

The choice is simple: Nan's amazing and Cranley is not.  Please vote for Nan, thanks.

 

And for the record, I'd vote for DeWine over Cranley anydayoftheweek.

 

+1 With DeWine you at least know what you're getting vs. Cranley who is always trying to figure out ways to make things worse.

 

Nan all the way.

18 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Every Dem outside of Manchin and Casey are pro-choice. It is a litmus test to be elected. I was not wrong with what I said, but I could have expressed it more clearly. 

I still can't get over the hypocrisy that the small-government "pro-life" party is the one that wants to prohibit personal liberty, and also is opposed to policies that assist families with young children and healthcare for all (lives).

 

What is often missed by Republicans is that there are a lot of Democrats who are opposed to abortion in almost all situations, but don't think that they or the government should make the decision for pregnant women.  It's Republicans who think pregnant women and their doctors can't make good decisions for themselves.

I hate strip joints but I'm not going to tell other people that they can't go to them.

2 hours ago, Foraker said:

I still can't get over the hypocrisy that the small-government "pro-life" party is the one that wants to prohibit personal liberty, and also is opposed to policies that assist families with young children and healthcare for all (lives).

 

What is often missed by Republicans is that there are a lot of Democrats who are opposed to abortion in almost all situations, but don't think that they or the government should make the decision for pregnant women.  It's Republicans who think pregnant women and their doctors can't make good decisions for themselves.

Not necessarily so. As a libertarian minded person, it is not about paternalistic government trying to prevent a woman from exercising domain over her body, but rather it is about a separate human that is bound to the mother for the next 9 or so months that also deserves rights and protections. It is protecting those without a voice. 

Edited May 3, 20223 yr by Brutus_buckeye

43 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

I hate strip joints but I'm not going to tell other people that they can't go to them.

I do too, but strip joints are not extinguishing another’s life. 

This is not the place to debate the legality of abortions. It's fine to discuss the candidates' opinions on it, but this is not the place for the moral/legal/whatever debate. I'll suspend anyone for a month for a future off-topic post. We can't have this argument going on in seven different topics.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gop-joe-blystone-swastika-syringe-photo_n_6270d6d3e4b029505df5ba8e?d_id=3450921&ncid_tag=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=us_politics

 

Quote

Ohio GOP Gov Candidate Stands Next To Sign Emblazoned With Swastika Of Syringes

 

This doesn't even register as abnormal in today's GOP.  No one even cares.

The really weird thing for me is how people act like we were all actively monitored by police during lockdown. I still went to the grocery store, I still took my dog on walks - it sucked, no doubt... but it uhhhh .... it wasn't Birkenau

I requested a Republican ballot at Franklin Circle and the very nice poll worker briefly looked at me like I asked for a million dollars. 

1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gop-joe-blystone-swastika-syringe-photo_n_6270d6d3e4b029505df5ba8e?d_id=3450921&ncid_tag=tweetlnkushpmg00000016&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=us_politics

 

 

This doesn't even register as abnormal in today's GOP.  No one even cares.

 

Well ya know his taproom at his farm had to temporarily close during quarantine so of course Nazi imagery must be used.

John Cranley has dropped out after getting about 1/3 of the vote with Nan Whaley getting the remaining 2/3.

It's a Miami Valley Showdown!

 

Looking over the maps on politico, pretty embarrassing for Cranley that he barely beat out Nan in Hamilton County. He carried Toledo and Cinci metro areas...weird. 

 

https://www.politico.com/2022-election/results/ohio/