September 19, 20222 yr 14 minutes ago, mrnyc said: yeah whaley easily beat dewine if she can get him to debate. she is a fantastic speaker and better all around human being and she would run rings around that old man. i guess she gets slightly more attention outside of ohio than dewine. or at least its positive attention when she does get any. the only time dewine gets in the news is when he is cracking down on people’s rights like with handling covid, or when he is taking away women’s rights, or ducking whaley. If Whaley loses by single digits, that will be a big win for her this year and she would likely remain viable for future statewide office consideration.
September 19, 20222 yr Just now, Brutus_buckeye said: If Whaley loses by single digits, that will be a big win for her this year and she would likely remain viable for future statewide office consideration. thats true, with more time in the trenches and recognition. i assume that is exactly what keeps dewine around. now if he would face her and debate her he would be done for after this election.
September 19, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, mrnyc said: thats true, with more time in the trenches and recognition. i assume that is exactly what keeps dewine around. now if he would face her and debate her he would be done for after this election. Dewine is 74 years old. This is his last election. He has been Prosecutor, Lt Governor, US Senator, state Atty General, and now Governor. In 2026 he will be pushing 80, he pretty much says this is his swan song. I would not put anything into a debate. It would not move the needle much for Whaley in this election. They could debate 3 times in the coming month but she really does not have a shot beyond trying to make it a low single digit loss. There are not enough progressives in the big cities to push her over the top and she is not really trying to run to capture the rural voters. Whaley's best play is to build a name for herself to position herself for 2026 when she takes on Husted or someone like Frank Larose. At that point, it could be a much more competitive race. Look at the prior governor's races where Ohio was competitive. Strickland in 2006 had the benefit of being a well known and popular Congressman from SE Ohio. He knew how to connect with that important corner of the state. 2018, Rich Cordray had success and name recognition as the former Treasurer and Attorney General in Ohio until 2010. Whaley may be a rising star, but I would not characterize her as a superstar (she is not overly charismatic from my prior meetings with her a long time ago) so her rise is going to be slower and more deliberate.
September 19, 20222 yr 35 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Dewine is 74 years old. This is his last election. He has been Prosecutor, Lt Governor, US Senator, state Atty General, and now Governor. In 2026 he will be pushing 80, he pretty much says this is his swan song. I would not put anything into a debate. It would not move the needle much for Whaley in this election. They could debate 3 times in the coming month but she really does not have a shot beyond trying to make it a low single digit loss. There are not enough progressives in the big cities to push her over the top and she is not really trying to run to capture the rural voters. Whaley's best play is to build a name for herself to position herself for 2026 when she takes on Husted or someone like Frank Larose. At that point, it could be a much more competitive race. Look at the prior governor's races where Ohio was competitive. Strickland in 2006 had the benefit of being a well known and popular Congressman from SE Ohio. He knew how to connect with that important corner of the state. 2018, Rich Cordray had success and name recognition as the former Treasurer and Attorney General in Ohio until 2010. Whaley may be a rising star, but I would not characterize her as a superstar (she is not overly charismatic from my prior meetings with her a long time ago) so her rise is going to be slower and more deliberate. you could say exactly the same of dewine personality wise. its a style that plays in the middle of the state and road. speaking is different. debates would move whaley up -- and dewine is not called out, or called out enough, for ducking them.
September 19, 20222 yr 10 minutes ago, mrnyc said: you could say exactly the same of dewine personality wise. its a style that plays in the middle of the state and road. speaking is different. debates would move whaley up -- and dewine is not called out, or called out enough, for ducking them. I was not trying to knock Whaley, I was more comparing her star power to say an Obama type who can rise from a State senator to president in a 4 -6 year period. That is obviously a rarity. Even on the local politics level, you could see some of this with someone like PG $ittenfeld before his fall from grace. Aftab Pureval in Cincinnati has some of this but he is still a bit inexperienced and needs more polish (you could see this from his Congressional campaign which was sloppy a few years back). Whaley is more of a grinder and has to work harder for it. She was much more of a party person who worked her way through the local party apperatus to get where she did. I knew her when she was in the treasurers office and certainly she had to grind a bit to get where she has. Whereas, others have the personality to get there quicker, she is much more of a longer build. DeWine is very similar to Whaley in that regard as he was a loyal party servant for a lot of years and paid his dues on the GOP side. Some people have to wait their turns while others can go out and take it when they sense the opportunity.
September 19, 20222 yr Whaley is perceived as a "progressive". They don't win statewide in Ohio. It's a toxic label in the rural areas, and in much of suburbia as well. The Democrats that do carry Ohio are the labor-populist labeled ones. Strickland. Brown. Ryan has a chance, and IMO would have a better chance against Dewine. He would have been freer to run against the national Dems and it would have been tough to burden him with them.
September 19, 20222 yr all that seems true, except in no way does dewine win any personality points over whaley. he is milquetoast, so he gets over greatly in his longtime familiarity, which trumps any of his good or bad points. and the fact that he is an old white man who won't go away, a lazy proxy in itself for long familiar leadership, even trumps his patriarchial conservatism or any of his views. its like none of that matters very much as people are so used to him and dont want to take what they see as a gamble with youth and especially with femininity. you certainly cannot label the excellent mayor of a major city untested or incapable, thats one or many reasons why dewine ducks her and they try to play up this so-called unknown angle.
September 19, 20222 yr I thought when DeWine wouldn't debate Blystone it was because DeWine thought Blystone was a pissant but now it seems he doesn't want to debate anyone.
September 28, 20222 yr Teamsters embarrassing themselves: When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
September 28, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Teamsters embarrassing themselves: Why would it be embarrassing?? He is going to win a second term. Whaley's chances are between slim and none and slim has pretty much left the building. It makes sense to get behind the person who will actually win and be able to direct policy, especially for a lobbying group like a union. Also, Dewine has kept RTW legislation from advancing in Ohio so you figure unions would be supportive of that even if they may not support other policies of the GOP
October 24, 20222 yr Whaley Moves Forward With Gubernatorial Debates, Despite DeWine Absence Democratic Ohio governor candidate Nan Whaley sat down last Wednesday with NBC4 anchor Colleen Marshall. It was a wide-ranging and substantive interview about Whaley’s political stances and plans for office should she win the election. But it was clearly frustrating for them both because of who wasn’t there. Gov. Mike DeWine declined the invitation to appear — not the first time he’s avoided the debate stage in his more then four decades in office. In recent weeks, the governor has even bowed out of previously scheduled interviews. He has reportedly agreed to sit down in the same room with Whaley for the Cleveland.com editorial board. “All candidates for office, regardless of their party,” Marshall said, “have an obligation to answer unscripted questions about their agenda, their beliefs, and their record.” “When one candidate refuses to debate or to answer unscripted questions, we cannot allow that refusal to stop the conversation,” she concluded. DeWine’s campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment about Whaley’s appearance. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/whaley-moves-forward-with-gubernatorial-debates-despite-dewine-absence-ocj1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
November 9, 20222 yr so lorain county went for nan, so they did their part. at the very least it's tight so she seems a lock for next time after they get ohio's legacy own personal jesus out, which is great to see.
November 9, 20222 yr Tp win the governorship, the Democrats need a labor-type populist who is pro-gun, or at least neutral on the issue. If Ryan had agreed to be the latter, I think he beats Dewine.
November 9, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, E Rocc said: Tp win the governorship, the Democrats need a labor-type populist who is pro-gun, or at least neutral on the issue. If Ryan had agreed to be the latter, I think he beats Dewine. I disagree with that. The underlying current is pro Republican fundamentals. DeWine is also very popular after handling covid well and basically single handedly bringing Intel to the state in addition to some other economic developments that his administration can legitimately claim responsibility for. In this kind of environment he was unbeatable.
November 9, 20222 yr Author DeWine was never going to lose this. Didn't really matter who the Dems put up. He is untouchable in Ohio politics, despite being corrupt by forcing through unconstitutionally gerrymandered districts and being paid off by First Energy. The general population doesn't care about that stuff for whatever reason. Guns are not as big of an issue here as Republicans pretend they are. I do agree they need a strong labor populist to ever win back the governorship (or senate seat, but that's another topic).
November 9, 20222 yr 27 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: DeWine was never going to lose this. Didn't really matter who the Dems put up. He is untouchable in Ohio politics, despite being corrupt by forcing through unconstitutionally gerrymandered districts and being paid off by First Energy. The general population doesn't care about that stuff for whatever reason. Guns are not as big of an issue here as Republicans pretend they are. I do agree they need a strong labor populist to ever win back the governorship (or senate seat, but that's another topic). The last Democrat to win the governorship did so with the NRA endorsement. The strongest union plant I ever worked at almost ended up taking the floating holiday on the first day of deer gun season. It's not quite the show stopper it is in West Virginia, but south of the turnpike it comes close.
November 9, 20222 yr Single-issue voters are easy to manipulate and therefore popular with politicians. I remember the motorcycle magazines used to be really political until the 2000s when people started writing in about helmet laws, saying "Listen, I'll just put the helmet on if it means my kid doesn't have to die in Afghanistan." And that was the end of politics in motorcycle magazines.
