December 19, 200717 yr The 2007 3Q State of Downtown Report has been released, here is the executive summary: Office [glow=yellow,2,300]The third quarter Central Business District (CBD) office vacancy rate decreased nearly three percent, down to 16.7 percent from 19.4 percent in second quarter.[/glow] The decrease was due to the sale of 299 E. Sixth St., which took 126,685 sf of sublease space off the market, in addition to multiple large square footage transactions at 303 Broadway, the Chiquita Center, the Kroger building and 600 Vine. Retail [glow=yellow,2,300]During third quarter 2007, six new establishments opened downtown. These new establishments include: Mythos, Below Zero, Sanders Guild Gallery, Family Deli II, Subway and Sung Korean Bistro.[/glow] Batsakes Hat Shop celebrated 100 years in downtown Cincinnati and was honored by Mayor Mallory with a key to the city. Residential Third quarter 2007 recorded 24 condominium closings with an average sale price of $281,556, according to the Cincinnati Multiple Listing Service (MLS) of the Cincinnati Area Board of Realtors. Conventions & Hotels Downtown hotels saw a small decrease in average occupancy, marking a -1.1% decrease from year-to-date (YTD) 2006. Access & Parking DCI surveys all downtown parking garage and lot operators on a quarterly basis. As of the end of third quarter 2007, there were 35,091 parking spaces in the CBD, with 5,299 monthly spaces available. The average price for an available monthly space in the CBD remained steady at $69 per month. Arts, Culture & Entertainment [glow=yellow,2,300]The Cincinnati Opera broke all attendance records during their 2007 Summer Festival season.[/glow] The Cincinnati Winter Sports Festival will be held at the Duke Energy Center December 14-16. “Bodies…The Exhibition” will open at the Cincinnati Museum Center in January. Safe & Clean The Cincinnati Police Department reported the following YTD statistics (January 1-October 31, 2007) compared to the same time period in 2006: [glow=yellow,2,300]Part 1 crimes in the CBD/Riverfront are down 8.7 percent and Part 2 crimes are down 11.5 percent.[/glow] Part 1 crimes are described as more serious crimes, but include crimes such as shoplifting and purse-snatching; part 2 crimes are “quality of life” crimes such as aggressive panhandling and vandalism. To view the full report to to www.gototown.com and go to the publications section. Here is the specific link for the PDF document for the 3Q report: 2007: 3Q State of Downtown Report]http://gototown.com/files/uploaded/Quarterly_Report_September_2007.pdf]2007: 3Q State of Downtown Report
December 20, 200717 yr " Five establishments closed during this time period: Lange Jewelers, Balance, Mejana, Icon and Passage." I knew mejana moved to the food court at tri county mall, but where were balance, icon and passage? Also the streetcar was listed on one of these reports for the first time "CBD dev Cincinnati Streetcar (City of Cincinnati) ty is considering building a 4.2 mile streetcar route, initially linking The Banks with Over-the-Rhine up to Findlay Market. Future lines will connect riverfront with Uptown area and other points east/west. DCI CBD/OTR $110.0 2007-2Q proposed 2010-4Q "
December 20, 200717 yr The Passage Cafe was a Monday through Friday lunch only place on Court St near Avril's. I think Icon was near Universal Grille and Carteaux and Leslie on Vine. Balance was a stress-reduction place on Main Street between 6th and 7th.
January 3, 200817 yr It will be interesting to watch and monitor the state of downtown as the holiday's are now over. On a side note, I heard that the ice rink at FS may stay open longer into the new year due to better then expected sales.
January 3, 200817 yr On a side note, I heard that the ice rink at FS may stay open longer into the new year due to better then expected sales. I think the ice skating rink was open until the beginning of March last year. They had the broomball leagues in January and February, which seemed very successful.
March 4, 200817 yr The 2007 4Q report is out...here are some of the highlights: Office Market The downtown office market saw increased activity during the fourth quarter. Class A vacancy rates remained consistent while Class B and Class C vacancy rates were lower in the CBD compared to other markets in Cincinnati USA. Safe & Clean During fourth quarter, Part 1 crime (more serious offenses) in the Central Business District was down double digits, while Part 2 crime (quality of life crimes such as shoplifting and aggressive panhandling) also decreased. Residential Market The downtown residential market continues to grow at a steady pace with fourth quarter home sales ranging in average sale price from mid $140’s to the low $280’s. New/redeveloped residential options coming on-line include for sale properties with city and river views. Convention & Hotels Duke Energy Center hosted several large conventions during fourth quarter with an economic impact of over $2 million. Although downtown hotel occupancy rates were down slightly compared to fourth quarter 2006, the revenue per available room was higher than the national average. Access & Parking The number of available monthly parking spaces increased, while the average price for a monthly parking contract decreased during the fourth quarter. Hamilton County Commissioners voted to increase parking in some Hamilton County lots and the Cincinnati City Council voted to increase Metro fares. Retail Market The Downtown Gift Card was launched in fourth quarter, which could be used at over 100 participated merchants. Many of the new establishments that came online during this quarter, included restaurants, entertainment, and new and expanded retailers. Arts, Culture & Entertainment Fourth quarter saw thousands of visitors take part in holiday activities including ice skating on Fountain Square, the Duke Energy trains, Macy’s Downtown Dazzle, the Nutcracker, and other events. You can access the full report (pdf) here: http://downtowncincinnati.com/files/uploaded/Quarterly_Report__December_2007.pdf If you would like to be added to the email list send a message to this email: [email protected]
March 6, 200817 yr "The downtown residential market continues to grow at a steady pace with fourth quarter home sales ranging in average sale price from mid $140's to the low $280's." ??? So what was the average sales price? How about one number? That would be helpful for providing some useful information.
March 10, 200817 yr Can more parking be bad? Foot-friendly areas spur growth, experts say Just as downtown is enjoying a wave of new places to live and eat, some experts fear the future of that activity could be threatened by too much parking. Too many parking spots might jeopardize efforts to create a "walkable" downtown with a steady stream of pedestrians who patronize shops and create a sense of activity in the city center, the experts say. That activity and the sense of safety it brings are linchpins in any effort to bring a retail resurgence downtown. The issue of walkability has come up several times recently, including during a meeting last month of the Cincinnati Urban Design Review Board. After showing off plans for what is supposed to be the city's tallest office tower, the 40-story Queen City Tower, architect Gyo Obata was asked several times by the panel whether he could make the propsed building more pedestrian-friendly. "I think we do want to see a level of activity on the street," city architect Michael R. Moore said after the meeting. Read full article here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080310/BIZ01/803100321/1076/BIZ
March 10, 200817 yr Dan and Gretchen Mahan, both professionals in their early 30s, bought their 960-square-foot, one-bedroom condo in the Park Place at Lytle building on Fifth Street in 2004. Now they're looking for a bigger place downtown, a neighborhood they say they don't want to leave, even as they lament sparse retail within strolling distance of home. "If we need milk, I can't walk to it. I have to get in the car and drive to it," Gretchen Mahan said. "Barnes & Noble across the river is open until 10, but downtown, you can't get anything accomplished." ??? I can think of ten places downtown where you can walk and buy milk. Honestly, I can find almost everything somewhere downtown. I suspect that some people just don't know the area enough or explore.
March 10, 200817 yr ^ I thought the same thing Melanie. Have they not heard of CVS or Walgreens? And it bugs me to no end - I can walk to more places downtown to buy groceries than I could when I lived in a crap subdivision in Monroe, Ohio.
March 14, 200817 yr Gradison to move to Kenwood Gradison, one of Cincinnati's most venerable investment firms, is leaving downtown after 80 years. UBS Financial Services Inc., the Swiss firm that acquired Gradison last year, is moving the company's operations to the new mixed-use Kenwood Towne Place development in spring 2009, said Troy DeBord, UBS' local market manager. Gradison is the Sycamore Township project's first confirmed office tenant. UBS also will move most of the employees at Gradison's smaller office at the Towers of Kenwood to the new location. And the company said it would remove the Gradison name in 2009. Gradison employs about 60 downtown in the 580 Building on Sixth Street. The new 32,000-square-foot office will be on the top floor of the eight-story Kenwood Towne Place building. It initially will house about 90 employees but could hold 100. Gradison's move continues an exodus from the 580 Building that began in December when American Financial Group Inc. announced it would anchor Western & Southern Financial Group's to-be-built Queen City Square office tower. AFG's Great American Life Insurance Co., which currently occupies space in six downtown sites including the 580 Building, will consolidate its employees into Queen City Square when that building is completed in 2011. Read full article here: http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/03/17/story2.html
March 14, 200817 yr These are the bits of news that makes me yearn for city-county consolidation. Kenwood would attract these folks anyway, but it wouldn't cost the city earnings taxes. Indian Hill is just so close to Kenwood.
March 14, 200817 yr ^Perhaps moving closer to clients or partner's suburban homes will help their business, or maybe their new lease just couldn't be beat. I suspect that the move will actually slightly hurt their business, or have no effect. Downtown is on the rise.
March 20, 200817 yr Study: Port Authority helps economy The Port of Cincinnati Development Authority released a report today that pegged its impact on the region’s economy at $1.4 billion, 6 percent higher than at the time of its last report in 2005. Port-financed projects are responsible for about 2,033 jobs per year and $74.5 million in annual household income to the region, according to the report, which was prepared by a team of University of Cincinnati economists. “We are all very proud of what we have been able to accomplish since 2001,” said Kim Satzger president of the Port Authority. “We collaborate with the city, county, developers and financial institutions to grow our local economy. “Through our collaborative and inclusive efforts, we will return $29.7 million directly to local government in new taxes collected, a return of nearly 7 to 1.” According to the report by the UC Economics Center for Education and Research, that return is a 60 percent increase over 2005 tax revenue of $18.6 million. The 6 percent increase is based on so-called multipliers that assume many of the dollars spent on port-related developments stay in the area and change hands repeatedly. Read full article here: http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080320/BIZ01/303200026/
May 9, 200817 yr What recession? :wink: DCI reports on downtown Cincinnati progress Downtown Cincinnati Inc. had good news for attendees at its annual meeting Thursday - more tenants, more restaurants and more activity in the central business district. Kathryn Merchant, president and CEO of the Greater Cincinnati Foundation, was the keynote speaker for the event. Some of the highlights from DCI's "State of Downtown" report: Completed construction and renovations downtown totaled more than $110 million, with $243 million in ongoing projects. Twenty-six retail/restaurant/entertainment venues moved into downtown during the year, sending available retail space to a five-year low. More than 100 new and renovated housing units came on line, bringing the resident population of downtown and its surrounding areas to more than 8,000. Occupancy rates for apartments topped 94 percent. Economic impact of total room rates booked by the Cincinnati USA Convention & Visitors Bureau rose by 8 percent over the year. According to the 2007 Downtown Survey conducted by DCI, 74 percent of respondents said they felt safe downtown, while 80 percent rated downtown as clean. The average price for monthly parking remained under $70. Read full article here: http://cincinnati.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/05/05/daily37.html
May 9, 200817 yr full document here http://www.downtowncincinnati.com/files/uploaded/AnnualReport_2007.pdf and here http://www.downtowncincinnati.com/files/uploaded/StateofDowntown_2007.pdf the second one is probably what people on this forum are looking for
May 9, 200817 yr highlights Additionally, this report takes a look at the safety and cleanliness of downtown as well as downtown development projects. Specific information on each market is included in the respective sections of this report (and more detailed information is available by contacting DCI). Below are section highlights as of December 31, 2007: • Development Projects. In 2007 completed construction and renovation projects totaled well over $110 million, along with an approximate $243 million in continued progress on longerterm projects. • Office & Employment. Class A and Class B vacancy rates decreased in 2007 as compared to 2006. Class C spaces, which have been historically underused, continued to be converted into mixed use sites. There was more than 700,000 square feet* of office transactions during 2007 which included many expansions. • Retail & Restaurants. The percent of available retail space in downtown was at a five year low in 2007, with 26 retail/restaurant/ entertainment establishments opening in the CBD. Also in 2007 the first professionally conducted pedestrian count study† was completed in order to better assist downtown retail recruitment efforts. • Residential. During 2007 more than 100 new and renovated/ converted units came on line in the CBD. Downtown population growth has been consistent with projections, with a current population of over 8,000 in Greater Downtown‡. Accordingly, occupancy rates in the apartment market were above 94%. • Convention & Hotel Market. The Cincinnati USA Convention & Visitors Bureau (CVB) reported an 8% increase in the economic impact of total room rates booked by the CVB. Although the percent of average occupancy for downtown hotels was down, the average room rate per night and the revenue per available room night were up from 2006 and well above the national average. • Arts, Culture & Entertainment. Thousands of people visited downtown to experience the variety of arts, culture and entertainment events and venues. The overall attendance increased in 2007; several new performance venues had record-breaking attendance. • Safe & Clean. The 2007 Perception Survey indicated that 70% of participants felt safe downtown, while 80% of participants rated downtown as clean overall. Crime in the CBD continues to go down with double digit decreases in more serious crimes for the second year in a row. • Parking & Access. In the 2007 National Monthly and Daily Parking Rate Survey§, downtown Cincinnati remained competitively priced as compared to larger cities and those of similar size and capacity. The average price for available monthly parking spaces remained under $70 per month
May 9, 200817 yr This is great news. I moved to Cincy 4 months ago and can really feel the energy in downtown. I also feel safe essentially everywhere I go in CBD. I listened to Bill C today talking to a reporter who had done a piece on downtown safety. I do't think they were referring to the same city I have been working in...I really don't The perceptions some people have is just mind boggling. I certainly realize the riots were an ugly chapter in this city's history but I am surprised just off-target perceptions still exist. Bill C. talked about how bad downtown was for a few minutes and at the end he amitted he hasn't been downtown in months. Go figure.
May 9, 200817 yr I may be reading the chart wrong, but it appears that the CBD has a lower vacancy rate than anywhere else in the metro
May 9, 200817 yr ^^ I have said many times I am not regular listener of Cunningham, but it seems if you randomly check on his show he spends a lot of time bashing downtown. It makes you really wonder what his ultimate goal is - I mean he is obviously a ratings whore, and when he isn't off on some overzealous right-wing rant the city bears the brunt of his idiocy. You would think at some point, even as a resident of Indian Hill, he would have some pride in or desire for the city to be successful. Yet he never says anything positive about Downtown, or most of the city for that matter. He has been a scourge on the collective psyche of many in the region as they continue to buy into his words as though they were gospel. And while a lot of people read through his tired schtick, it angers me because people who believe everything he says do have an impact on the city.
May 9, 200817 yr ^^ I have said many times I am not regular listener of Cunningham, but it seems if you randomly check on his show he spends a lot of time bashing downtown. It makes you really wonder what his ultimate goal is - I mean he is obviously a ratings whore, and when he isn't off on some overzealous right-wing rant the city bears the brunt of his idiocy. You would think at some point, even as a resident of Indian Hill, he would have some pride in or desire for the city to be successful. Yet he never says anything positive about Downtown, or most of the city for that matter. He has been a scourge on the collective psyche of many in the region as they continue to buy into his words as though they were gospel. And while a lot of people read through his tired schtick, it angers me because people who believe everything he says do have an impact on the city. I was wondring the same thing. Isn' t it in all our best interests to have a stronger downtown and urban core? won't a stronger city attract companies and families to move here? Won't it casue more people to visit, which will help local businesses? I don't get it.
May 10, 200817 yr And the thing is that his rants are not constructive in one sense of the word. Sure there are things that Cincy (or any city for that matter) could improve upon. But how are you helping those issues by just simply spewing nonsense over the airwaves on the region's most listened to station. Someone mentioned that this has had a negative affect on the City's psyche, and it has...it's had a MAJOR impact. I directly trace the negative mindsets of people in this region to 700 WLW. It's just pure nonsense for the most part as well. It would be wonderful if 700 WLW used their influence for something productive rather than perpetuating false ideologies, stereotypes, etc. This is Cincy's biggest issue when it comes to their image problem.
May 10, 200817 yr And the thing is that his rants are not constructive in one sense of the word. Sure there are things that Cincy (or any city for that matter) could improve upon. But how are you helping those issues by just simply spewing nonsense over the airwaves on the region's most listened to station. Someone mentioned that this has had a negative affect on the City's psyche, and it has...it's had a MAJOR impact. I directly trace the negative mindsets of people in this region to 700 WLW. It's just pure nonsense for the most part as well. It would be wonderful if 700 WLW used their influence for something productive rather than perpetuating false ideologies, stereotypes, etc. This is Cincy's biggest issue when it comes to their image problem. Agree Rando; I think guys like Cunningham have an absolute negative impact on the city's psyche. I mean everyone on this board obviously has a unique interest in urban issues and progress, especially Cincinnati's, but for the average resident, they get a great deal of their information from guys like Cunningham. Therefore his outrageous opinions are very counter-productive to what the city is trying accomplish. Cincy is about to start an advertising campaign promoting downtown. I guarantee you Cunningham will mock it. Why he will do this, I have no idea. I just don't understand how a guy as smart as Cunningham doesn't see the necessity to strengthening our urban core.
May 10, 200817 yr you have 85k people who work downtown, 8k who live there and on average 21k attending an event every day [7.6 million visitors per year], which puts the average number of people downtown (including weekends) at 89k. this doesn't include people who just go downtown to a bar or restaurant and it doesn't include attendence at the taft, and it doesn't include people in hotels and it doesn't include people at conventions. [unless those people did something like go to a show or a game or a museum]
May 10, 200817 yr I was in Cincinnati a couple of weeks ago for the first time in about a year. I am always amazed by downtown Cincy. Even when one would have said it was in bad shape, I always loved the narrow streets and more or less intact streetscapes. The riverfront engagement to downtown is a thousand times better than when I used to go to Riverfront Stadium as a kid. The problems in Cincy aren't downtown - but get even a short distance away and the blight is obvious. I spent some time listening to that Cunningham fellow. Wow, he is over the top to say the least. In fact, he featured prominently in a blog post I wrote up about the trip and city, if any of you are interested in reading it. http://theurbanophile.blogspot.com/2008/05/cincinnati-midwest-conundrum.html Obviously I'm not a particular cheerleader of Cincinnati as many of you know, but hopefully you'll give me credit for all the positive things I say at least, since there's a lot of it. Every time I visit Cincy and tour around its neighborhoods I am absolutely blown away.
May 10, 200817 yr >you have 85k people who work downtown, 8k who live there and on average 21k attending an event every day [7.6 million visitors per year], which puts the average number of people downtown (including weekends) at 89k. this doesn't include people who just go downtown to a bar or restaurant and it doesn't include attendence at the taft, and it doesn't include people in hotels and it doesn't include people at conventions. [unless those people did something like go to a show or a game or a museum] Brad I remember the state of upwards of 150,000 per workday for workers, redidents, and visitors. Now obviously some people are only downtown for an hour and residents are there most of the time so that number isn't meaningful until it's broken down. However for the streetcar to get 2,000 daily riders that means 1 in 75 people has to ride it per day which I think is realistic.
May 19, 200817 yr You better sit down for this one!!! On Your Side: What's Good In Cincinnati? What's right with Cincinnati? It's a pretty general question. You can probably come up with a list of what you think is wrong, but what is right with our hometown? We aren't naive. We know that nothing's perfect here (or anywhere,) but between the crime reports and the traffic accidents, there is good news about greater Cincinnati, and it's high time we all admit it, starting with Fountain Square, which boasts redeveloped eateries. "This is the happening spot," said Cincinnati Mayor Mark Mallory. "It really is." Mayor Mallory continued continued on, mentioning other gems of the city. "[We're] one of the few cites that has a world class opera. A world class ballet. We have art museums, we have everything. For the variety of arts and cultural venues that we have to offer, it's hard to beat Cincinnati." Read full article here: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=4b096d52-93a8-4b31-a8ec-973d2c16aa52
May 20, 200817 yr I don't want to curse anything, but the last time there was this kind of positive energy in Cincinnati was in the fall of 2000 through spring of 2001. It is really hard to overestimate how much those riots set the city back. The big difference was even with the positive energy around then, the foundations of the riots with the various radical groups causing trouble were present.
May 20, 200817 yr ^You're right, but let's not also forget that the simultaneous economic downturn had a bit to do with it, as well as the general shock the nation received that September. Those groups took advantage of weakness, but they didn't have much of a constructive plan to address the things they were supposedly agitating for. I'd also say that the lack of projected revenue (or at least the numbers that were sold to the people as the projected revenue) from the stadium deals was a big problem for the City post 2001 (even though it was under the purview of Hamilton County), in that it strikes me as having been a major cause for the delay in getting on with the Banks project.
May 20, 200817 yr ^ Agreed. What a great article. It would have been nice if they had spelled "Bellevue" correctly, but that's a pretty minor quibble.
June 4, 200817 yr DCI changes leadership, looks ahead http://www.pulsedt.com/blogs/default.asp?Display=2193
June 21, 200816 yr $1M in ads exalt downtown Aimed at those within 20-minute drive BY KEITH T. REED | [email protected] http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080621/BIZ01/806210341/1076/BIZ
July 15, 200816 yr Some of limelight falls on host city Cincinnati works for positive image http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080715/NEWS01/807150331/
July 15, 200816 yr Downtown has something like 90,000 people down there on the average day and an average of 0.4 violent crimes a day (this includes all robberies whether or not there was actually violence applied), meaning your chances of being a victim of a violent crime are 1 in 225,000. To put it another way, if you went downtown every day for 616 years, you would be a victim of violent crime, on average, 1 time. This also assumes that everyone is equally likely to be a victim, which probably isn't the case. Perception isn't reality, that is why they are two different words. There are tons of things Downtown, shoping and resturaunt wise, and especially arts and entertaiment wise that you can get only downtown. If you don't feel safe walking down the street downtown, it is your problem, not the city's.
July 15, 200816 yr -Downtown is nothing compared to what it was in the 80's. I get this sometimes too and to each is their own I guess, but these comments baffle me! Now I was born in '80, yet my parents took me downtown quite often. I personally believe the entire basin (CBD, OTR, and NKY) are all better off today than they were in the 70,80, or 90's. I am viewing this from an Economic Development and crime standpoint. Plus the population was declining in all three decades. (4 counting the 60's). Dunno!! My honest opinion is things are better now than at any point in the last 40 years. The potential for the area to TAKE OFF has been building for years (I say 2001) but we are only 2 -3 short years before the MASSES recognize this.
July 15, 200816 yr Unfortunately, your aunt and uncle are right as to the comparison with the 80s. Downtown really collapsed from the mid-90s through the mid-00s (which to some degree marks the irrelevancy of the convention center in the national market). It is better, but in the 80s, dt still had a number of major department stores and saw quite a number of major bldg. projects. The Reds and Bengals didn't suck either (esp. the late 80s). We are seven years out from the riots. They are what they are. It is also key that riots were part of a broader radicalization that started around '99 and lasted through '02 or '03 that really exacerbated the latent tensions between parts of the black community and the suburban middle class. It was the perceived inability of city politicians to stand up to folks like Kabaka Oba and similar nuts that made the 'riots' so damaging. Toss in the craziness of the anti-globalization protesters and viola. OTR is just a convenient excuse, esp. if they came down in the 80s and 90s when the public housing on Ezzard Charles was mostly extant and a major center of crime.
July 15, 200816 yr If you don't feel safe walking down the street downtown, it is your problem, not the city's. You can quote as many numbers as you want, but it still doesn't do jack shit to help placate the nerves of people who are scared of coming downtown. I go downtown often, and go to school, and therefore live, in downtown Washington DC, and thus am no stranger to being in an urban environment. That said, downtown Cincy DOES feel unsafe in certain areas after dark. Most of the problem is parts of downtown just have no people around at night, so when you get approached by a pan handler or see a homeless person coming towards you, whether they are violent or not, you get scared. Cincinnati has made improvements to downtown, and I think it will continue to improve, but to say that people feeling unsafe in downtown Cincinnati is not the city's fault is not correct. I think sometimes people on this board are so staunch in defending Cincinnati that they can't objectively look at an issue and actually criticise the city. I understand the need to defend the city in light of so many bashers on other sites, but it comes across as either denial or severe naivety, and a provincial outlook.
July 15, 200816 yr Downtown has something like 90,000 people down there on the average day and an average of 0.4 violent crimes a day (this includes all robberies whether or not there was actually violence applied), meaning your chances of being a victim of a violent crime are 1 in 225,000. To put it another way, if you went downtown every day for 616 years, you would be a victim of violent crime, on average, 1 time. This also assumes that everyone is equally likely to be a victim, which probably isn't the case. Perception isn't reality, that is why they are two different words. There are tons of things Downtown, shoping and resturaunt wise, and especially arts and entertaiment wise that you can get only downtown. If you don't feel safe walking down the street downtown, it is your problem, not the city's. That's an amazing post. :clap:
July 15, 200816 yr Perception isn't reality, that is why they are two different words. I beg to differ. I worked for a family owned regional grocery store that had to sell out precisely because our prices were perceived to be higher. In field work done the company constantly was illustrating that our prices on certain items were competitive with competing grocers. However, once the idea was planted in the consumer's mind...it was too late. You can throw out all the stats you want but the general population isn't going to care about them. Its not that they aren't smart enough...they don't feel as if they have the time (nor do they feel they should have to take the time) to analyze statistics. As long as they hear the words murder, rape, and robbery associated with the City of Cincinnati geographical area they won't care what the details are. As I said, the City needs to look at what Chicago has done with Cabrini Green and what NY did with the 'Broken Windows' policy. Does anyone remember what Times Square use to be like? Note: See the movie Forrest Gump for a refresher. You can have a perception of what reality is, but reality is reality...and perception is what someone perceives. They are two different words with two different meanings. Perception is not reality, but some people seem to think so. That in and of itself is unfortunate.
July 15, 200816 yr ^For all intents and purposes with regards to people not coming downtown because of perecieved danger, it is the same. Or I guess you could say perception of crime does equal not coming downtown, even if the stats don't necessarilly agree with that perception.
July 15, 200816 yr Lets put it into perspective: -if you go downtown every day, your odds of being injured (or threatened injury) in a violent crime are 1 in 225,000; you can expect to be injured 1 time every 616 years -if you drive, your odds of being injured in a car accident are 1 in 37,500 [300 million in USA, 2.9 million accidents with injuries a year] you can expect to be injured in a car accident 1 time every 102 years. -your odds of being murdered downtown 1 in 33 million; or 1 time every 91,324 years. -your odds of dying while driving 1 in 2.6 million [same population 42,500 automobile deaths per year]; or 1 time every 7,124 years.
July 15, 200816 yr Lets all remember automobiles are the leading cause of violent death in the united states
July 16, 200816 yr ^If you think walking around downtown Cincinnati is dangerous, you're stupid. I'd be a lot more worried about getting hurt hitting a deer on the drive back to Clermont County.
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