Posted April 25, 201015 yr Westminster-Thurber puts 2nd high-rise on wish list Business First of Columbus - by Carrie Ghose Tuesday, April 13, 2010 With nearly $4 million in expansion and renovation scheduled this year at Westminster-Thurber Community, its parent is studying whether to add a second high-rise to meet demand for its independent senior apartments. A $43 million, 14-story tower for the campus north of downtown is among $212 million in potential projects that Ohio Presbyterian Retirement Services listed in public hearings required before issuing tax-exempt bonds. The Columbus nonprofit organization does not intend to issue all the bonds at once, said Kenneth Kemper, executive vice president for project development. The community also includes the 10-story Thurber Tower apartments and a nursing home. Ohio Presbyterian is researching the feasibility for a second tower to determine if demand – about 40 people are on the wait list for the 150 apartments in Thurber Tower – is sustainable along with the housing market, interest rates and other economic drivers for such projects, Kemper said. “Right now, we don’t know if we’re going to do it or not,” he said. If the project is put off more than three years, it would be subject to public hearings again. Preliminary plans call for situating a tower roughly along Goodale Street next to the first, creating more downtown views, and including a parking garage on lower floors, Westminster-Thurber Marketing Director Joel Wrobbel said. Meeting today’s market demand has lowered Thurber Tower’s supply of apartments. The 1964 structure once had about 200 units, but no one wants to rent 525-square-foot studios anymore. Ohio Presbyterian over the past eight years has combined studio and one-bedroom units into two- and three-bedroom flats. Full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/stories/2010/04/12/story3.html
February 22, 201213 yr Author Westminster-Thurber to add 7-story apartment tower dubbed Goodale Landing Business First by Carrie Ghose, Staff reporter Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 9:57am EST Westminster-Thurber Community plans to add a second apartment tower at the retirement complex near downtown, with opening targeted for fall 2015. Trustees of parent Ohio Presbyterian Retirement Services approved construction of the seven-story, 67-unit building Thursday. If enough apartments are booked in an early marketing effort, construction could begin this summer, Kenneth Kemper, executive vice president for project development, said in an email. The building, to be named Goodale Landing, will include luxury apartments ranging from 1,140 to 2,000 square feet and provide two levels of underground parking. MORE: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2012/02/10/westminster-thurber-to-add-29m.html Rendering of how the planned Goodale Landing apartment building would fit into the Westminster-Thurber campus. The Goodale Landing 7-story tower is shown at the far right in the image. Rendering of the planned Goodale Landing apartment building. More: Press Release about the project from Westminster Thurber Community located at http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/goodale-landing.
February 23, 201213 yr Westminster-Thurber to add 7-story apartment tower dubbed Goodale Landing Business First by Carrie Ghose, Staff reporter Date: Friday, February 10, 2012, 9:57am EST Westminster-Thurber Community plans to add a second apartment tower at the retirement complex near downtown, with opening targeted for fall 2015. Trustees of parent Ohio Presbyterian Retirement Services approved construction of the seven-story, 67-unit building Thursday. If enough apartments are booked in an early marketing effort, construction could begin this summer, Kenneth Kemper, executive vice president for project development, said in an email. The building, to be named Goodale Landing, will include luxury apartments ranging from 1,140 to 2,000 square feet and provide two levels of underground parking. MORE: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2012/02/10/westminster-thurber-to-add-29m.html Rendering of how the planned Goodale Landing apartment building would fit into the Westminster-Thurber campus. The Goodale Landing 7-story tower is shown at the far right in the image. Rendering of the planned Goodale Landing apartment building. More: Press Release about the project from Westminster Thurber Community located at http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/goodale-landing. A moat and drawbridge wouldn't look out of place around this building.
November 20, 201212 yr Business First published an update on the Westminster-Thurber 7 story addition that's been quiet for a while. Good news is that it's still moving forward despite some tougher economic times for the community's owner, possible groundbreaking in the spring as long as 10 more Seniors put deposits down... still wish that the original 14 story version was moving ahead for the sake of our skyline but 7 is better than a parking lot! http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2012/11/20/westminster-thurber-on-track-for.html?ana=e_du_pub&s=article_du&ed=2012-11-20
September 13, 201311 yr Author Goodale Landing apartments at Westminster-Thurber move closer to construction By Carrie Ghose, Staff reporter Business First - July 29, 2013, 4:37pm EDT Ohio Presbyterian Retirement Services plans to go to market with a $50 million to $75 million tax-exempt bond issue this fall for construction projects statewide, including a seven-story luxury senior apartment complex at its Westminster-Thurber Community in Columbus. (. . .) Board members authorized construction of Goodale Landing, a proposed midrise building at Westminster-Thurber, after deposits were placed on 58 of its planned 67 apartments. The $17 million project has been in the works for three years but scaled back from the earliest discussions. A construction start hasn't been set, but the organization hopes to open the building by late 2015. MORE: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/blog/2013/07/goodale-landing-apartments-at.html
December 9, 201311 yr Author Previously announced here in November 2012 and updated here in September 2013 within this thread -- the 7-story Goodale Landing apartment building has broken ground at the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community located just north of downtown: DISPATCH: Third Westminster-Thurber tower to offer 68 apartments for seniors
March 1, 201411 yr Author Previously announced here in November 2012 and updated here in September 2013 within this thread -- the 7-story Goodale Landing apartment building has broken ground at the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community located just north of downtown: DISPATCH: Third Westminster-Thurber tower to offer 68 apartments for seniors A new rendering of the under construction 7-story Goodale Landing apartment building at the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community was posted at http://www.columbusunderground.com/forums/topic/goodale-landing. The new rendering is a view from I-670 (see the location map in the previous post quoted above). The neighboring 11-story building is already existing on the Westminster-Thurber campus.
December 1, 201410 yr Author Construction photos of the 7-story Goodale Landing apartment building going up at the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community located just north of downtown. Information on this project was previously posted HERE in this thread. Photo from http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-october-2014-part-3 Photo from http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-november-2014-part-1
July 13, 20159 yr Author Photo slideshow of the 8-story Goodale Landing under construction in the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community just north of downtown and west of Victorian Village: http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2015/06/26/goodale-landing-luxury-senior-apartments.html
March 30, 20169 yr Author Late February 2016 photo of the 8-story Goodale Landing residential tower under construction in the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community just north of downtown and west of Victorian Village from http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-short-north.
May 13, 20169 yr Author On 3/30/2016 at 2:41 PM, Columbo said: Late February 2016 photo of the 8-story Goodale Landing residential tower under construction in the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community just north of downtown and west of Victorian Village from http://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-short-north. Above is the previous posted photo of the 8-story Goodale Landing residential tower under construction in the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community that was taken in late February. Now, according to Business First - http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/05/10/construction-delays-at-goodale-landing-luxury.html - senior residents began moving into Goodale Landing in January and only 1 of the 68 luxury condos in the building remain available.
May 13, 20169 yr Author No updated exterior photos of Goodale Landing were included with the Business First update at http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2016/05/10/construction-delays-at-goodale-landing-luxury.html. And I don't have anything more current than the late February CU photo. But, to give some context to the building's location, here are two recent streetviews and an aerial photo from the construction company: This aerial photo is from the Ruscilli company looking southeast. In this aerial, the still-unfinished Goodale Landing and it's surroundings are in the lower right portion of the Westminster-Thurber Retirement Community. Goodale Landing overlooks Goodale Street, I-670 and the outer fringe of downtown. Neil Avenue - the demarcation street between Westminster-Thurber and Victorian Village - is visible at the middle left. Neil intersects with Goodale and runs under I-670 into downtown The edge of Goodale Park is visible at the top left: This is a November 2015 streetview from Goodale Street just west of Neil Avenue. The 11-story residential building at the Neil & Goodale corner is visible to the right. The new 8-story Goodale Landing building is further west along Goodale Street: This is another November 2015 streetview further west along Goodale Street with a clearer view of the Goodale Landing building:
November 22, 20195 yr As Giant Eagle's lease expires, state's discount liquor shop may be on the move "Giant Eagle, which operates Last Call in its former grocery space at 777 Neil Ave. in Victorian Village, plans to leave that site when its lease expires in January. The last day of operation is expected to be in mid-January." https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/11/21/as-giant-eagles-lease-expires-states-discount.html Hopefully we hear of a redevelopment soon after!
November 23, 20195 yr On 11/22/2019 at 9:36 AM, aderwent said: As Giant Eagle's lease expires, state's discount liquor shop may be on the move "Giant Eagle, which operates Last Call in its former grocery space at 777 Neil Ave. in Victorian Village, plans to leave that site when its lease expires in January. The last day of operation is expected to be in mid-January." https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/11/21/as-giant-eagles-lease-expires-states-discount.html Hopefully we hear of a redevelopment soon after! This brings me so much joy. I've hated that they closed this store and held it hostage so another grocer couldn't move in. I've always felt bad for all the retirees from the home who could no longer walk there. Not to mention forcing the people of Victorian Village to go to the Grandview market district. And with the retirement home building a new tower, this entire outdated plaza needs to be completely overhauled and it needs to include a proper grocery store of some sort. And CVS needs to remain an anchor tenant as well. And it ideally should be mixed use and drive up the density further. Get rid of that parking lot. Edited November 23, 20195 yr by Zyrokai
November 23, 20195 yr ^The liquor store by itself probably made more money than the whole Giant Eagle, especially at such a small square footage.
February 11, 20205 yr Hmmm, very interesting. From the Harrison West Society facebook page: Quote Neil Ave Giant Eagle Plaza Development: A much anticipated preview of the potential redevelopment of the Giant Eagle plaza on Neil Avenue is finally here! CASTO Realty Group will be attending the next Harrison West Society meeting on Wednesday, 2/19, at 7 pm in the Harrison Park Clubhouse to provide details on the project and gather input from the neighbors. We encourage all neighbors to attend, learn more about this potentially major development in Harrison West, and provide feedback.
February 11, 20205 yr Yes. Please. So much potential. And frankly, with the retirement homes, I'm not sure we shouldn't see a tower component toward the southwest part of this property. One certainly cannot argue a tower would be inappropriate with 3 12(ish) story buildings within a stone's throw.
February 11, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, Pablo said: ^I don't think the NIMBY's would allow a tower. What about the sun?!? Don't make me pull out the sun diagrams! ?
February 11, 20205 yr Yeah, there's no way a tower goes in there, even if one is proposed. I would expect something more along the lines of a 3-5 story, largely-residential project with maybe corner spot for retail.
February 11, 20205 yr Don't get me wrong, I'm not *expecting* a tower. And allow me to clarify with it being a mid-rise tower not to exceed the Westminster-Thurber towers. I'm sure CASTO will come up with something very formulaic and copy paste. It's Just that there should be one included. The area of the CVS seems the most reasonable location given the proximity to the others and the lack of adjacent single family homes. Edited February 11, 20205 yr by DTCL11
February 11, 20205 yr I've been waiting for years for this. I lived across the street from this plaza for about 4 years and wanted it redeveloped. I hope they don't disappoint. This is such a great opportunity for more density. I really hope they have something a little higher than 3 to 5 stories planned. It's right on a frequent bus route, too. C'mooon!
February 11, 20205 yr Good news, and a long time coming! I wish there were some way to repair the street grid behind this, which is cut off all the way to 1st. At least Buttles should go through.
February 11, 20205 yr 3 hours ago, DTCL11 said: Don't get me wrong, I'm not *expecting* a tower. And allow me to clarify with it being a mid-rise tower not to exceed the Westminster-Thurber towers. I'm sure CASTO will come up with something very formulaic and copy paste. It's Just that there should be one included. The area of the CVS seems the most reasonable location given the proximity to the others and the lack of adjacent single family homes. For sure, there is definitely room for one there. It's a large site that could allow a tower to sit back from Neil and the single-family homes. I just don't think it'll happen. If anything, I'm surprised that WT didn't try to buy this site for potential expansion.
February 15, 20205 yr Another public meeting announcement for the Giant Eagle site, this time on the Short North Civic Association FB page: Quote The Short North Civic Association invites you to a special neighborhood meeting hosted by CASTO on Wednesday, February 26th, 7:00-8:00 pm in the former Giant Eagle Store at 765 Neil Ave. CASTO will use this time to present the historical background associated with the Giant Eagle site, constraints the developer must work within in order to redevelop the center, and to solicit neighborhood feedback.
February 19, 20205 yr I don't know why Business First keeps calling this Victorian Village. This is in Harrison West. First Look: More details emerge on $41M, 11-story tower planned in Victorian Village "Ohio Living has a design and financing plan for a third luxury high-rise on its Westminster-Thurber Community on Neil Avenue in Victorian Village. The 56-unit Heritage Pointe will cost $41 million, and is expected to bring in about $15 million in entrance fees, CFO Robert Stillman said in a recorded call with bond investors. There is a 120-person waiting list for Goodale Landing, which opened in 2016. Of those on the list, Stillman said, 90 already are financially pre-qualified to buy in to the project." https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/02/19/first-look-more-details-emerge-on-41m-11-story.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline
February 19, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, aderwent said: I don't know why Business First keeps calling this Victorian Village. This is in Harrison West. First Look: More details emerge on $41M, 11-story tower planned in Victorian Village "Ohio Living has a design and financing plan for a third luxury high-rise on its Westminster-Thurber Community on Neil Avenue in Victorian Village. The 56-unit Heritage Pointe will cost $41 million, and is expected to bring in about $15 million in entrance fees, CFO Robert Stillman said in a recorded call with bond investors. There is a 120-person waiting list for Goodale Landing, which opened in 2016. Of those on the list, Stillman said, 90 already are financially pre-qualified to buy in to the project." https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/02/19/first-look-more-details-emerge-on-41m-11-story.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline One would think that with a waiting list that long, they would try to do more than 56 units.
February 19, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, jonoh81 said: One would think that with a waiting list that long, they would try to do more than 56 units. Also, 56 units is all they could fit in 11-stories? How massive are these units? Eh, maybe a waitlist means another tower. Overall, still really don't like the aesthetic of this project or the 2016 tower (I hate the green aluminum roof), but I didn't expect much. It'll continue to add density to the area which can help increase amenities and transit in the neighborhood, i'll take it.
February 19, 20205 yr 11 minutes ago, DevolsDance said: Also, 56 units is all they could fit in 11-stories? How massive are these units? If it is modeled after Goodale Landing, anywhere from over 1100sf to nearly 1900sf They are marketing to old people that want flats the size of single family homes.
February 19, 20205 yr Given the current level of demand, I wonder if they are planning to build another tower, potentially along Thurber Dr where the two covered parking structures currently are.
February 19, 20205 yr 26 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: If it is modeled after Goodale Landing, anywhere from over 1100sf to nearly 1900sf They are marketing to old people that want flats the size of single family homes. I want a 1100sf flat and I'm not even 40 yet! I like how it looks like it is going to be built right up next to the sidewalk, and overall I like the style. Maybe in 40 years I'll be in this place ?
February 19, 20205 yr Doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the article but based on the zoning variance/request with the city, this project will cap out at 135' tall.
February 19, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, jonoh81 said: One would think that with a waiting list that long, they would try to do more than 56 units. I thought this exact same thing. This location probably has the best view of their entire lot, why not go higher, maximize what you charge for views, and shorten the waitlist? Overall, I don't mind the design and like that it's built out to sidewalk. Hopefully this encourages some density when they redevelop the old giant eagle lot up the block.
February 19, 20205 yr Looks like a tower component of 10+ stories may already be being discussed in the redevelopment of the Giant Eagle Site. Again, this also makes sense since the NIMBYs have not been able to do anything about the Westminister Thurber tower that will directly abut Neil. A couple things that stood out from the CU article to me: Quote Tonight’s meeting is with the Harrison West Society (HWS), which would eventually weigh in on any proposal for the site. Because the property sits just outside the boundaries of the Victorian Village Commission, it would not have to go before that board (so, instead of needing the approval of a historic architectural review commission to move forward, a proposal for the site would only have to be brought before the HWS for a non-binding, advisory vote). So there isn't much of an opportunity for NIMBYs to formally block it like other areas? Quote Tim Price, HWS President, said that representatives of CASTO have met with the group’s executive committee and given a rough outline of the developer’s thinking for the project. It will likely include retail along Neil Avenue, with apartments either behind or above the storefronts – a residential tower could rise to a height of ten or more stories, but no decisions have yet been made about the exact scale of the project. The redevelopment could also include single family homes or other types of smaller-scale residential units. One important piece of the puzzle moving forward, he added, is the CVS, which still has 11 years left on its current lease and has indicated a preference for prime frontage in any new development (which likely means a spot right at the corner of Neil and Buttles). In addition to the CVS, CASTO has indicated that some type of grocery store could also be a part of the project. https://www.columbusunderground.com/apartment-tower-could-be-part-of-giant-eagle-redevelopment-bw1
February 19, 20205 yr 59 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: Looks like a tower component of 10+ stories may already be being discussed in the redevelopment of the Giant Eagle Site. Again, this also makes sense since the NIMBYs have not been able to do anything about the Westminister Thurber tower that will directly abut Neil. This will be very interesting to watch. Hopefully they do go at least 10-stories high. If they do, I wonder if we could see a domino effect in the surrounding area. There are numerous 1970-1980 era suburban style apartments that would be ripe for redevelopment. I have to think a developer would be chomping at the bit to purchase The New Yorker Townhomes or the Thurber Gate Apartments, demolish them, and then put up an 8-12 story mixed-use building.
February 19, 20205 yr 24 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: This will be very interesting to watch. Hopefully they do go at least 10-stories high. If they do, I wonder if we could see a domino effect in the surrounding area. There are numerous 1970-1980 era suburban style apartments that would be ripe for redevelopment. I have to think a developer would be chomping at the bit to purchase The New Yorker Townhomes or the Thurber Gate Apartments, demolish them, and then put up an 8-12 story mixed-use building. I believe that will be a natural development and that it makes sense for the cluster of mid-late century low rise apartments to be swapped for mid-rise development. The infrastructure/set up for dumping traffic onto goodale and neil is there as well for that and should alleviate *some* traffic concerns. There are a couple hurdles to that. The owners will hold on to that land for everything. I'm sure some of those properties have long been paid off and the income they make will need to be heavily offset by a high purchasing price, perhaps beyond what we've seen in other big deals. (Wouldn't you?). There is also the flip side in 'natural affordability.' It is something Chicago is struggling with right now as parts of the city experience widespread demolition of post war - mid century buildings for newer structures that are significantly more expensive. Unfortunately, as we've seen across the US, significantly greater supply doesn't necessarily mean prices will drop. I had a friend that lived in Thurber Gate and I LOVED his apartment. He held on until he had to leave the area for work. While still not cheap, they were more affordable at the time. Not sure what rent is now but I imagine they aren't demanding premium dollar. Not everyone is looking for granite, hardwoods, etc etc that leads to the 'natural affordability' of dated, well kept, apartments. I'm neither here nor there on it. I certainly wouldn't chain myself to one of them if they get torn down but I can see where there is some value even if more units can be obtained through demolition and rebuilding. I will say that should that be the eventual fate, I really hope the city would put an affordability quota and actually stick to it if we are talking about hundreds of new units in a handful of mid-rise. Just my thoughts. Edited February 19, 20205 yr by DTCL11
February 20, 20205 yr 20 hours ago, 17thState said: Hopefully this encourages some density when they redevelop the old giant eagle lot up the block. Great point. I didn't even think about the implications this could have on future development in that lot. 11 stories is a great way to set the precedent.
February 20, 20205 yr On 2/11/2020 at 10:26 AM, Pablo said: Hmmm, very interesting. From the Harrison West Society facebook page: Was anyone able to attend? I’m antsy for some details! edit- quote didn’t work out, I’m referring to the 2/19 HW meeting about the GE site. Edited February 20, 20205 yr by FudgeRounds
February 20, 20205 yr 18 hours ago, DTCL11 said: I believe that will be a natural development and that it makes sense for the cluster of mid-late century low rise apartments to be swapped for mid-rise development. The infrastructure/set up for dumping traffic onto goodale and neil is there as well for that and should alleviate *some* traffic concerns. There are a couple hurdles to that. The owners will hold on to that land for everything. I'm sure some of those properties have long been paid off and the income they make will need to be heavily offset by a high purchasing price, perhaps beyond what we've seen in other big deals. (Wouldn't you?). There is also the flip side in 'natural affordability.' It is something Chicago is struggling with right now as parts of the city experience widespread demolition of post war - mid century buildings for newer structures that are significantly more expensive. Unfortunately, as we've seen across the US, significantly greater supply doesn't necessarily mean prices will drop. I had a friend that lived in Thurber Gate and I LOVED his apartment. He held on until he had to leave the area for work. While still not cheap, they were more affordable at the time. Not sure what rent is now but I imagine they aren't demanding premium dollar. Not everyone is looking for granite, hardwoods, etc etc that leads to the 'natural affordability' of dated, well kept, apartments. I'm neither here nor there on it. I certainly wouldn't chain myself to one of them if they get torn down but I can see where there is some value even if more units can be obtained through demolition and rebuilding. I will say that should that be the eventual fate, I really hope the city would put an affordability quota and actually stick to it if we are talking about hundreds of new units in a handful of mid-rise. Just my thoughts. That whole area was just an extension of Harrison West/VV in terms of being a historic, largely single-family neighborhood. Everything west of Neil and Harrison and south of 1st Avenue was demo'd in 1960 as part of "slum clearance". We're talking hundreds of buildings. At one point, everything west of Neil north to OSU was proposed to be demolished, but luckily it didn't happen (though OSU and Battelle have whittled things down over the years). Most of the current development in this area is mid-century crap. It would be a perfect area to completely rebuild over time, including restoring at least some of the original street grid. While the loss of more affordable housing (for the area) would be a negative, there is nothing stopping any new development from including affordable units, especially if it was mandated. As it stands, this entire area is a lot of wasted space in a prime location. It was built according to 1960 suburban standards. Edited February 20, 20205 yr by jonoh81
February 20, 20205 yr 22 minutes ago, FudgeRounds said: Was anyone able to attend? I’m antsy for some details! edit- quote didn’t work out, I’m referring to the 2/19 HW meeting about the GE site. Yep, I was able to swing by for a few while it was being discussed. - Neighbors generally open to taller development in this location - Casto said they are considering anything from 8-15 stories along Collins and Neil, shorter 3-5 stories along Buttles - Hidden or underground parking structure to handle increased density but restoring character to area - CVS has 11 years left in their lease, will be given a prime location in new development - CVS has must stay open during development, project may be phased - Casto interested in luring a Trader Joes/Aldi/Whole Foods market with a 12,000 - 15,000 sq/ft retail along Neil or Buttles - Biggest concerns were wanting Casto to favor/re-incorporate existing plaza business into development
February 20, 20205 yr 3 minutes ago, DevolsDance said: Yep, I was able to swing by for a few while it was being discussed. - Neighbors generally open to taller development in this location - Casto said they are considering anything from 8-15 stories along Collins and Neil, shorter 3-5 stories along Buttles - Hidden or underground parking structure to handle increased density but restoring character to area - CVS has 11 years left in their lease, will be given a prime location in new development - CVS has must stay open during development, project may be phased - Casto interested in luring a Trader Joes/Aldi/Whole Foods market with a 12,000 - 15,000 sq/ft retail along Neil or Buttles - Biggest concerns were wanting Casto to favor/re-incorporate existing plaza business into development Can this get any better? And bless you for your attendane. Edited February 20, 20205 yr by Zyrokai
February 21, 20205 yr From the Harrison West Society FB page: Quote Thank you to all those that came out last night to learn about the Neil Ave Giant Eagle plaza redevelopment. The meeting was very well attended and productive. We loved seeing so many new faces, this is what community looks like! Full meeting minutes can be found at the link listed in the bottom of this post. Below is a high level summary. Recap of Casto's **tentative** concept: (1) Retail on the east/northeast of the property towards Neil Avenue, including retaining CVS and (hopefully, but they've expressed confidence) a grocer; (2) Residential, about 4 stories, on the northwest (towards Buttles and Thurber); (3) Residential, about 10-15 stories, on the southwest (towards Thurber and Collins). Here are the full minutes: http://harrisonwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/HWS_Minutes_02.19.2020.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1hgx7NkvyDhZ0boUpBqGAkg6sEXX-_JHF6dFkRRy-rX1pxW0oQZ3tb-bk
February 21, 20205 yr On 2/19/2020 at 5:10 PM, DTCL11 said: I believe that will be a natural development and that it makes sense for the cluster of mid-late century low rise apartments to be swapped for mid-rise development. The infrastructure/set up for dumping traffic onto goodale and neil is there as well for that and should alleviate *some* traffic concerns. There are a couple hurdles to that. The owners will hold on to that land for everything. I'm sure some of those properties have long been paid off and the income they make will need to be heavily offset by a high purchasing price, perhaps beyond what we've seen in other big deals. (Wouldn't you?). There is also the flip side in 'natural affordability.' It is something Chicago is struggling with right now as parts of the city experience widespread demolition of post war - mid century buildings for newer structures that are significantly more expensive. Unfortunately, as we've seen across the US, significantly greater supply doesn't necessarily mean prices will drop. I had a friend that lived in Thurber Gate and I LOVED his apartment. He held on until he had to leave the area for work. While still not cheap, they were more affordable at the time. Not sure what rent is now but I imagine they aren't demanding premium dollar. Not everyone is looking for granite, hardwoods, etc etc that leads to the 'natural affordability' of dated, well kept, apartments. I'm neither here nor there on it. I certainly wouldn't chain myself to one of them if they get torn down but I can see where there is some value even if more units can be obtained through demolition and rebuilding. I will say that should that be the eventual fate, I really hope the city would put an affordability quota and actually stick to it if we are talking about hundreds of new units in a handful of mid-rise. Just my thoughts. This is happening a lot in Northern Kentucky and is a real problem. Especially when '70s apartments come down and get replaced with expensive new developments right next to an empty lot!
February 21, 20205 yr Casto eyes mixed-use redevelopment of Neil Avenue shopping center previously home to Giant Eagle Although the plans presented were preliminary, Casto representatives heard one thing loud and clear from neighbors: They want a grocery store. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/02/20/casto-eyes-mixed-use-redevelopment-of-neil-avenue.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 21, 20205 yr From the article: Quote Right now, Leibowitz said, the pharmacy does appear open to striking a deal. It would require a corner lot and conventional surface parking for its new space, but it does seem like the company is "willing to evaluate a new position and relocation within the project," Leibowitz said. That's disappointing. Manageable but disappointing. I had hoped CVS might take the opportunity to transition this store to a more urban model seen in Chicago but that doesn't seem likely with an archaic contingent like this. *hopefully* it can be minimized or at least mitigated with direct access to parking structure. They plan to return in April with a more concrete design. The architecture firm Edge is their design partner. Their portfolio doesn't particularly excite me. This seems like it will be a joint first time venture into mid-rise for Casto and Edge. Everyone has to have their first so we will see what they bring.
February 21, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, DTCL11 said: The architecture firm Edge is their design partner. Their portfolio doesn't particularly excite me. This seems like it will be a joint first time venture into mid-rise for Casto and Edge. Everyone has to have their first so we will see what they bring. I think Edge is probably only providing land use planning services, which would make sense considering this project is still in the very early planning stages. Based on Edge's website they don't seem to do building architecture.
February 21, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, DTCL11 said: I had hoped CVS might take the opportunity to transition this store to a more urban model seen in Chicago Ironically, downtown Chicago has a Walgreen's with a surface parking lot at the corner of Clark and Ontario.
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