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Special Election 2021

OH-11 was formerly represented by Marcia Fudge who has accepted a cabinet position (HUD Secretary)under the Biden administration. Fudge held that position since 2008. She won easily over the years in the solidly Democratic district, that is greatly gerrymandered from Lake Erie to the Akron-Canton Airport.

A special election will be held to elect her replacement.

 

The Primary will be held on August 3, 2021 and the General Election on November 2, 2021.

 

Candidate filing applications are due by May 5, 2021

  • 2 months later...

i have to admit it's been entertaining watching the negative ads so far with Shontel Brown & Nina Turner.  I'm curious why Shontel opted to run against Nina Turner.  Turner is experienced & has name recognition, is getting endorsements.  Why is Shontel in this race, now?  I think if it stays negative, it could do more harm than good to her long term political career

  • 2 weeks later...

The Nina Turner vs. Shontel Brown is a pretty significant race. Both Dems in a solid Dem district. Per the NYT:  
 

"...On Aug. 3, the voters of Ohio’s 11th District will render that judgment and with it, some indication of the direction the Democratic Party is heading: toward the defiant and progressive approach Ms. Turner embodies or the reserved mold of its leaders in Washington [[in Shontel Brown]], shaped more by the establishment than the ferment stirring its grass roots....

That suggests leaders understand that the outcome of the race will be read as a signal about the party’s future."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/us/politics/the-race-for-an-ohio-house-seat-illustrates-divisions-in-the-democratic-party.html

 

[cross-posted in The Democratic Party thread.]

 

Edited by Pugu

And today in Newsweek:

 

Hillary Clinton-endorsed Candidate Shontel Brown Faces Potential Ethics Probe

 

"With a week to go before the special primary election for Ohio's 11th Congressional District, Democratic candidate Shontel Brown may be in hot water. In April, The Intercept reported that Brown, a Cuyahoga County Councilmember, had voted to award millions worth of contracts to companies connected to her romantic partner and campaign donors. Emails reviewed by The Daily Poster show that the Ohio state auditor's office reviewed the allegations in the article and recently referred the matter to the state ethics commission...."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-endorsed-candidate-shontel-brown-faces-potential-ethics-probe-1613460

 

 

^Not really understanding the basis of what they are talking about.  This is mainly crap as far as I’m concerned.  Nina is trying to make this look like typical County government corruption.  There are no all powerful commissioners to move contracts to buddies to get kickbacks anymore. Cuyahoga is a charter county and so an executive must approve contracts. At least 5 other county councilmen must also vote to approve the same contracts for a total of 6 in order to pass.  That is a lot of accountability. 

  Its convoluted even understanding the connection to her “romantic interest”.  The company was in the guy’s uncle ownership but it was sold to someone else unrelated.  How many people know what their absolute best friend’s uncles own?  Even if it wasn’t sold how in the world would a contract for $7 million that goes to a relative of someone she’s friends with be an ethical challenge?  If she knew about it the she could’ve abstained. She likely had no idea which is much more understandable.  That is the worst thing Nina can say then that is a reason not to vote for Nina. 

7 hours ago, audidave said:

 That is the worst thing Nina can say then that is a reason not to vote for Nina. 

 

Amongst the many others. 

 

The main reason I don't want to vote for Nina is I don't want another member of Congress from Ohio becoming a laughingstock for their non-stop publicity stunts and controversial tweets(Jim Jordan, cough cough).  I want to vote for a representative who is going to Washington to put in the hard work of governing.  

10 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

surprised there's not more chatter here.  This race is getting a lot of national attention and endorsements

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-face-off-in-heated-battle-over-ohio-s-11th-district-primary/ar-AAMSIlw

My wife and I walked to vote this morning around 7 am.   Neighborhood seemed to be leaning Nina Turner based on yard signs.   When we entered the polling place, there was one other voter there.   

 

I feel like if everyone shows up then Nina Tuner will win for sure.   I voted for Shontel, because I don't want another absurd and member of Congress from Ohio making national headlines.   Jim Jordan is enough for us.  

24 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

I voted for Shontel, because I don't want another absurd and member of Congress from Ohio making national headlines.   Jim Jordan is enough for us.  

so you're not upset that she voted to give herself a seven THOUSAND dollar pay raise????  

 

;-)

5 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

so you're not upset that she voted to give herself a seven THOUSAND dollar pay raise????  

 

;-)

 

What politician doesn't?    In fact if we were all given the chance to vote on a raise for ourselves, we would do it.   

 

2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

What politician doesn't?    In fact if we were all given the chance to vote on a raise for ourselves, we would do it.   

 

I'm joking.  It was a ridiculous thing to point out.  My money is on Nina Turner

Wow---I thought there were only TWO people running in the Dem primary, Nina and Shontel. There are actually 13 people!  Polls close in 40 minutes (7:30).

  1. Nina Turner——
  2. Shontel Brown——
  3. Martin Alexander——
  4. John Barnes——
  5. James Bell——
  6. Seth Corey——
  7. Jeff Johnson——
  8. Will Knight——
  9. Pamela Pinkney——
  10. Isaac Powell——
  11. Lateek Shabazz——
  12. Tariq Shabazz——
  13. Shirley Smith——

There were about 28,000 early votes cast for the OH-11 race.

Edited by Pugu

With 22,473 votes counted so far--747pm

 

Candidate   Votes   Pct.

Shontel Brown  12,585   56.0%

Nina Turner  8,112   36.1

Jeff Johnson  718  3.2

John Barnes  377  1.7

Seth Corey  217  1.0

Shirley Smith   192  0.9

Pamela Pinkney  85  0.4

Will Knight  41  0.2

Martin Alexander 40  0.2

James Bell  38  0.2

Tariq Shabazz  32  0.1

Isaac Powell  21  0.1

Lateek Shabazz  15  0.1

 

(that's with less than 1% in Cuyahoga and only 6% in Summit county reporting)

 

 

Edited by Pugu

For those interested in the other side--as of 755pm

 

Laverne Gore   1,626   77.9%

Felicia Washington Ross   461   22.1

Total reported   2,087

940pm--Overall, Shontel is ahead at 51% vs. 43% for Nina, but only 32% of cuyahoga is counted. All of Summit is counted. Within Summit County precincts, Nina was the leader with 3211 votes to Shontel's 3157 votes.

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

For those interested in the other side--as of 755pm

 

Laverne Gore   1,626   77.9%

Felicia Washington Ross   461   22.1

Total reported   2,087

 

The GOP primary has been called for Laverne (not that it matters).

1 minute ago, Pugu said:

940pm--Overall, Shontel is ahead at 51% vs. 43% for Nina, but only 32% of cuyahoga is counted. All of Summit is counted. Within Summit County precincts, Nina was the leader with 3211 votes to Shontel's 3157 votes.


Wish we knew which precincts have been counted!

5 minutes ago, downtownjoe said:


Wish we knew which precincts have been counted!

 

All of Summit has reported. For Cuyahoga, you can't see the results by precinct, but you can see which have been counted so far.  Go here: https://www.livevoterturnout.com/cuyoh/LiveResults/en/Index_15.html and then on the top row, click "Precincts Reporting". As of this moment (950pm) on the site:

 

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952p--gap closing:

 

Shontel Brown   25,494   50.4%

Nina Turner   22,167   43.8

Jeff Johnson   1,052   2.1

Total reported   50,561

 

1 minute ago, Pugu said:

 

All of Summit has reported. For Cuyahoga, you can't see the results by precinct, but you can see which have been counted so far.  Go here: https://www.livevoterturnout.com/cuyoh/LiveResults/en/Index_15.html and then on the top row, click "Precincts Reporting". As of this moment (950pm) on the site:

 

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Thank you a bunch! Didn't know this existed.

There's a fight for the future of the Democratic Party happening in Ohio

Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large

Updated 6:30 PM ET, Tue August 3, 2021

 

(CNN)No matter who wins the Democratic nomination in Ohio's 11th District Tuesday night, there's an almost 0% chance of the seat being in any danger to a Republican takeover next fall.

 

But that doesn't make the result unimportant.

 

In fact, the race to replace Housing and Urban Development Secretary Marcia Fudge is actually an early test to see which part of the Democratic Party is in charge: younger, more liberal activists or older, more establishment types.

Representing the former group is Nina Turner, a former state senator and one of the most prominent surrogates for Bernie Sanders' presidential campaigns.  

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/03/politics/ohio-11-democratic-primary-nina-turner-shontel-brown/index.html

^Yes---this election is not seen as a simple primary in Cleveland, but an indicator for the future of the Dem party.

 

In other news, Jeff Johnson is coming in a distant 3rd. With felony convictions he can (and did) run in CLE municipal elections, but I thought he was barred from holding federal office like OH-11.  Or is that he can run, but just not serve? 

31 minutes ago, Pugu said:

952p--gap closing:

 

Shontel Brown   25,494   50.4%

Nina Turner   22,167   43.8

Jeff Johnson   1,052   2.1

Total reported   50,561

 

 

1024pm update. Gap closing further:

 

Shontel Brown  29,847   49.8%

Nina Turner   26,812   44.7

Jeff Johnson   1,152   1.9

Total reported   59,963

10 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

1024pm update. Gap closing further:

 

Shontel Brown  29,847   49.8%

Nina Turner   26,812   44.7

Jeff Johnson   1,152   1.9

Total reported   59,963

 

1037pm  Uh-oh. Gap widened---and with 84% of Cuyahoga precincts reporting:

 

Shontel Brown   33,592   50.5%

Nina Turner   29,430   44.2

Jeff Johnson   1,208   1.8

Its over. Nina concedes.

Look at the voter turnout for this election.  A few immediate observations:

 

If the poorer, inner-city precincts had a better turn out, Nina may have won; the best turn out (yellow and light orange on the map below) was in the wealthy areas--Bratenahl, Pepper Pike, Beachwood, etc. which probably mostly went for Shontel, being the more mainstream candidate.

 

Downtown, with a generally more informed and more educated base of residents compared to many east side precincts in the city had a pathetically low 0-10% turnout. There's really disappointing.

 

 

 

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map is from:   https://www.livevoterturnout.com/cuyoh/LiveResults/en/Index_15.html

 

 

Such a nice person nina is.  The Democratic establishment came out for Shontel but mainly against nina.  nina brought way more money into the race and brought bernie in.  Obviously people did not care enough to vote for her not because of dark money or crap like that. They just didn’t like her and she clearly deserved to lose. 

 

@kirk_bado: #OH11 Nina Turner in concession speech: “I am going to work hard to ensure that something like this doesn’t happen to another progressive candidate again. We didn't lose this race, evil money manipulated and maligned this election.”

49 minutes ago, audidave said:

@kirk_bado: #OH11 Nina Turner in concession speech: “I am going to work hard to ensure that something like this doesn’t happen to another progressive candidate again. We didn't lose this race, evil money manipulated and maligned this election.”

 

If she really said "we didn't lose this race" she sounds like Trump, though at least she conceded and on election night.

There was a reason why Sanders lost to Biden in the primaries in 2020.  Turner was joined to the hip with Sanders.  She needs to "work hard" into looking into that perspective.

 

As a side note, Turner's loss also shows how irrelevant of Cleveland's largest printed "news" publication has sunk.  It has become very stale in many ways.    

1 hour ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

There was a reason why Sanders lost to Biden in the primaries in 2020.  

yeah.  It was rigged by the DNC, manipulated with media & tech, to ensure the desired outcome

I guess not enough people voted early and often.

 

It still amazes me that a major party nominated someone who said that out loud on a robocall to be chief elections officer.   Then I look at the ODP and it’s not even surprising.

Somewhat related, but one of the attacks against Shontel was that her boyfriend got huge contracts...  I looked up the firm, McTech.  They do in fact appear to be a very large construction firm but have zero info on their website about the principals or ownership.  Being in construction myself for 25 yrs, this is very odd.  https://www.mctech360.com/about-mctech   not a single name or face of an individual who is a principal or owner.

 

Edit:  Nevermind, I found out who's behind it all: https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2008/09/your_tax_dollars_flow_to_a_fam.html

Edited by gottaplan

46 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

yeah.  It was rigged by the DNC, manipulated with media & tech, to ensure the desired outcome

Or maybe Sanders was just too far to the left and that baggage was passed on to Turner. 

 

Enough with the rigging and manipulation nonsense.  Some people can never accept the results and always have to put the blame on everyone else.

Just now, LifeLongClevelander said:

Or maybe Sanders was just too far to the left and that baggage was passed on to Turner. 

 

Enough with the rigging and manipulation nonsense.  Some people can never accept the results and always have to put the blame on everyone else.

So you dont think there was deliberate and focused efforts by the DNC to get Biden the win and not Sanders?

Turner won Cleveland and Cleveland Heights, but man she really got crushed in the other suburbs

 

10 hours ago, audidave said:

Such a nice person nina is.  The Democratic establishment came out for Shontel but mainly against nina.  nina brought way more money into the race and brought bernie in.  Obviously people did not care enough to vote for her not because of dark money or crap like that. They just didn’t like her and she clearly deserved to lose. 

 

@kirk_bado: #OH11 Nina Turner in concession speech: “I am going to work hard to ensure that something like this doesn’t happen to another progressive candidate again. We didn't lose this race, evil money manipulated and maligned this election.”

 

Better yet - people just don't want outright socialism and would prefer a more moderate and sensible politician. It's not a shock that AOC-backed candidates have been losing at a pretty rapid rate. The claims that AOC and her "army" was the future of the party were overblown. The radical left are just... on the margins thankfully. Noisy on Twitter, useless in the polls; comparable to the QAnon-embedded radical right, although they have more strength in numbers and votes.

8 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

So you dont think there was deliberate and focused efforts by the DNC to get Biden the win and not Sanders?

Party leadership had a pretty good idea that if Sanders won the nomination, Trump would have well into his second term in office.

 

People do not want Socialism.  It may win out in pockets, but not on a bigger scale.

 

Turner did not help herself with some of the ads that were run.  Even if "she" didn't put them out, she could have stopped them and didn't.

11 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

Party leadership had a pretty good idea that if Sanders won the nomination, Trump would have well into his second term in office.

 

I'll take that as we are in agreement!

7 minutes ago, gottaplan said:

I'll take that as we are in agreement!

But not in the statement it was rigged.  Common sense and realistic views prevailed.  If money mattered, Turner would have won.

9 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

If she really said "we didn't lose this race" she sounds like Trump, though at least she conceded and on election night.

 

She also sounds a lot like Trump in her Twitter feed and her many talking head appearances on news networks, yelling and screaming at people (which was the main reason I voted for Ms Brown)    

8 minutes ago, LifeLongClevelander said:

But not in the statement it was rigged.  Common sense and realistic views prevailed.  If money mattered, Turner would have won.

Turner was outspent though:

 

I'm not aware of any candidate that was promoting socialism, but putting that aside I think making broad generalizations/conclusions about this particular election is rather difficult. I say that mainly because this is a gerrymandered district that splits Cleveland and Cuyahoga County (and Summit County) in a non-sensical way. Beyond gerrymandering undermining representative democracy, the borders of the district itself confused a lot of people; several friends of mine weren't sure if they were in the district and some people at the precinct I was working at didn't find out they were in district 11 until the day of the election.

 

Beyond that, turn out was so low, which is sadly common for off year elections, but that low turnout was only exacerbated by it being a special election (the gerrymandering thing probably didn't help either). And anecdotally, there was a surprising number of people who came into my precinct yesterday who just found out there was an election yesterday and/or weren't even sure what the election was for/thought they were supposed to be voting for something else.

 

If not for the above, the election results might've been different. Maybe some day the congressional borders can be redrawn and Cleveland and the inner ring suburbs can have better representation.

You mean besides cancelling all student debt (that students signed into)? Or free healthcare? Or eliminating bail? Or stopping gentrification? Or continuing the ban on evictions, screwing over landlords?

 

Turner also said: "“I am going to work hard to ensure that something like this doesn’t happen to another progressive candidate again,” she said. “We didn’t lose this race, evil money manipulated and maligned this election.”"

 

She needs to be careful about her choice of words. Much of Brown's financial support came from the Israel lobby.

Edited by seicer

So you want only the socialism that benefits you?

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

@seicerMy bad, when you mentioned "soicialism" I thought you meant the abolition of private property and the state take over of the means of production, not the misinterpretation of policies and use of fearmongering talking points.

Not all Democrats are aligned with the more "progressive" branch of the party, much like not all Republicans are aligned with the more "conservative" branch of that party, either. Not all Democrats are in favor of cancelling all student debt or stopping evictions from proceeding. It may come as a surprise to some, but the majority of the party are not extremists.

 

@andrew0816: My points above came directly from Turner's own website. So take your beef with her.

Edited by seicer

A tweet from Connie. 

 

@ConnieSchultz: Hello, you can stop lecturing me about outside money in the congressional race here. I know a progressive in Ohio who is targeted by outside money every time he runs for the Senate. Every time, he has won. Enjoy your day.

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