June 29, 20213 yr On 6/21/2021 at 10:39 AM, KJP said: In addition to the above, there's some really weird, clueless stuff coming out of the general assembly this session (including this: https://www.wksu.org/government-politics/2021-06-15/ohioans-with-vehicles-worth-more-than-4-650-wont-be-eligible-for-snap).... Do you know if the conference committee version still includes this language about taxing affordable housing?
June 29, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, Foraker said: Anyone know what this means? https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/06/final-ohio-budget-deal-would-fund-broadband-boost-school-funding-in-major-overhaul.html Thank you Cleveland Plain Dealer editors. Every bracket gets a 3% cut, which would make the highest bracket 4.281% - but it is set to get an additional cut down to 3.99% - effectively a 10% cut.
June 29, 20213 yr 4 hours ago, Ram23 said: Every bracket gets a 3% cut, which would make the highest bracket 4.281% - but it is set to get an additional cut down to 3.99% - effectively a 10% cut. It's more than that for those making >$221,300/year. They are going from TY2020 4.797% down to TY2021 3.99%. A total cut of 16.8%.
November 2, 20213 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 4, 20213 yr "Ohioans keep voting against their own interest. Read the entire thread. " I'm going to put on my (Richard) Morris/Bruno Gianelli/Christopher Mulready hat for a minute. Each and every individual voter determines what their own interest and priorities are. Saying something like "voting against your own interest" is a lot like saying you are doing something contrary to someone's wishes "for their own good". It comes off as condescending and patronizing, it convinces absolutely no one, and indeed degrades the quality of discussion. Which happens too often in too many different ways already. Edited November 4, 20213 yr by E Rocc
November 4, 20213 yr I'd argue that a lot of us do. A lot of things we say do make sense to them. The problem is the "reset button" that the manipulative think tanks use on them the next time they are given the opportunity.
December 16, 20213 yr Author Nothing gets me looking at real estate listings in other states more quickly than the actions of the Ohio General Assembly and/or Governor. Next time, ask him why you can't carry a concealed weapon into the Ohio State House... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 16, 20213 yr Author No wonder they don't want guns in the State House. But on the streets, especially the streets filled with POC, no problem..... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 16, 20213 yr Ohio would be the 22nd state to adopt Constitutional Carry policy. That's about where one would expect a politically moderate state like Ohio to get on the bandwagon.
December 16, 20213 yr 24 minutes ago, Ram23 said: Ohio would be the 22nd state to adopt Constitutional Carry policy. That's about where one would expect a politically moderate state like Ohio to get on the bandwagon. As the last Democrat to be elected governor did so with the endorsement of the NRA, I would have expected it sooner. I disagree with not being required to tell a police officer you are carrying if pulled over. But otherwise, the procrastinator in me is glad to see the class is no longer required.
December 16, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: No wonder they don't want guns in the State House. But on the streets, especially the streets filled with POC, no problem..... My POC neighbors mostly have guns. Some have carry permits as well.
December 16, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Ohio Republicans vote to increase aggregate violent crime rates 13-15% within 10 years!
December 21, 20213 yr Author Why does urban sprawl and blight happen in low-growth Ohio? Because young, undeveloped towns have lower taxes while older, fully developed municipalities have higher taxes. And since they can't easily add more taxpayers to cover inevitably rising costs of running an older city, they have to raise taxes. Except they can't when state laws won't let them because that's where the Democrats live. And so cities die and the blight is pulled to the next ring of suburbs farther out, pulled by those who are allowed, if not encouraged by state incentives to keep chasing low taxes and cheap land... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 7, 20223 yr Second attempt at Ohio legislative redistricting maps rejected by OH Supreme Court. (NOT Congressional, although I suppose we will again get a similar ruling there) When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
February 8, 20223 yr OH LAWDY THEY DID IT AGAIN! Absolutely scathing opinion. And it ends by discussing the looming and passed deadlines that the Republicans argue mean a new map has to wait until 2024. The Court basically says “The legislature controls the election deadlines and if the commission is gonna keep playing games you better move the primary because we’re not playing games.” Love it.
February 8, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Dev said: This certainly appears to be their strategy DeRolph has always been vacatable by a statewide referendum, which would almost certainly pass.
February 17, 20223 yr Author Gerrymandering gets us extremist legislation like this... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
February 17, 20223 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 5, 20223 yr Ohio Republicans introduce House Bill 616, their version of Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' law Quote The Ohio bill introduced Monday afternoon states that no public school, community school or private school that accepts vouchers shall "teach, use, or provide any curriculum or instructional materials on sexual orientation or gender identity" in kindergarten through third grade...... The legislation would also ban other divisive concepts like the 1619 Project, critical race theory, intersectional theory, inherited racial guilt, diversity, equity, and inclusion learning outcomes and "any other concept that the state board of education defines as divisive or inherently racist." https://www.beaconjournal.com/story/news/2022/04/05/ohio-republicans-introduce-version-floridas-dont-say-gay-bill/9467432002/
April 5, 20223 yr On 2/8/2022 at 11:20 AM, Dev said: This certainly appears to be their strategy i posed that question a few months ago when this original order came down. There was nothing that the Court could do in order to force compliance under the standard that would satisfy the majority. They are complying with the Court order by redrawing the maps each time but there is nothing to force it in such a way that would at least satisfy O'Connor, let alone the other 3 Dem justices. So we are left with stalemate. In the long run, does it damage the GOP brand in Ohio. Probably doubtful.
April 5, 20223 yr If we've learned anything about the Republican party over the last few years it is that they could shoot someone on Fifth Ave, in Trump's famous words, and it wouldn't damage their brand. Who cares if they're sabotaging upcoming elections by trying to force through election maps that don't pass constitutional muster?
April 5, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, X said: If we've learned anything about the Republican party over the last few years it is that they could shoot someone on Fifth Ave, in Trump's famous words, and it wouldn't damage their brand. Who cares if they're sabotaging upcoming elections by trying to force through election maps that don't pass constitutional muster? This has more to do with the current state of the Ohio Democratic Party, which many Ohioans simply don't consider a viable alternative.
April 5, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said: i posed that question a few months ago when this original order came down. There was nothing that the Court could do in order to force compliance under the standard that would satisfy the majority. They are complying with the Court order by redrawing the maps each time but there is nothing to force it in such a way that would at least satisfy O'Connor, let alone the other 3 Dem justices. So we are left with stalemate. In the long run, does it damage the GOP brand in Ohio. Probably doubtful. Reformers and Dems seem to think that contempt of court charges will force them to comply but that remains to be seen. I definitely agree that it doesn't hurt them any way, which is kind of the point of gerrymandering, regardless of the faction that does it. Am I remembering correctly that the Ohio Supreme Court is specifically prohibited from drawing the maps themselves?
April 5, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, E Rocc said: This has more to do with the current state of the Ohio Democratic Party, which many Ohioans simply don't consider a viable alternative. ...because gerrymandering has made Democrats irrelevant 75% of the state... but sure
April 5, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, E Rocc said: This has more to do with the current state of the Ohio Democratic Party, which many Ohioans simply don't consider a viable alternative. Why bother when the Republicans draw maps that Democrats get 40% of the votes and 20% of the seats? Then there is the issue of brain drain...all the smart youngsters are heading for states not run by the MAGA crowd.
April 5, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dev said: Reformers and Dems seem to think that contempt of court charges will force them to comply but that remains to be seen. I definitely agree that it doesn't hurt them any way, which is kind of the point of gerrymandering, regardless of the faction that does it. Am I remembering correctly that the Ohio Supreme Court is specifically prohibited from drawing the maps themselves? I dont think they can be forced. Similar to the school funding order, where it said the school funding scheme was unconstitutional, now the legislature must figure it out. Well, each year the legislature tries to "figure it out" to some capacity. At this point, there is no one to hold accountable because almost everyone is office at that time is either retired or dead save for Bill Seitz (all kidding aside). With the gerrymandering, all the court can order is that the committee and legislature rework the lines and hopefully find agreement in a bi-partisan manner or continue reworking them over and over and over again. As long as the committee can justify a good faith effort to redraw the lines and not completely ignore the court order, it will be hard to hold them in contempt for not coming up with a map that all parties can either agree on, or one that matches what O'Connor is seeking. She cant force them to draw her preferred map. So this means we keep going back and forth until someone puts a stop to the madness and it means months and months more of Gibbons for Senate commercials. Edited April 5, 20223 yr by Brutus_buckeye
April 5, 20223 yr 39 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: As long as the committee can justify a good faith effort to redraw the lines and not completely ignore the court order, it will be hard to hold them in contempt for not coming up with a map that all parties can either agree on, or one that matches what O'Connor is seeking. She cant force them to draw her preferred map. Well that's the thing, there is an argument that the committee did not make a good faith effort with the latest maps, so what now? If she agrees that their actions last week were in bad faith, then they can be held in contempt of court...which becomes what?
May 16, 20223 yr Author Home Rule -- death by a thousand cuts "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 20223 yr Quote Fowler Arthur said she has no problems with her experience working with Geneva-on-the-Lake on her Airbnb, which received a license from the village, and said she’s gotten legal advice that says she doesn’t have a conflict of interest, since the legislation won’t directly benefit her. How the hell does it not benefit her directly? She has an AirBNB rental that would be affected by this legislation. If it hurts cities, this legislature is all for it.
May 17, 20223 yr Author 3 hours ago, Mendo said: How the hell does it not benefit her directly? She has an AirBNB rental that would be affected by this legislation. If it hurts cities, this legislature is all for it. Some of them don't even consider the cities to be "real Ohio" and they're represented by those nasty Democrats who are trying to make it easier for all Ohioans to vote in competitive elections. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 20223 yr 27 minutes ago, KJP said: Some of them don't even consider the cities to be "real Ohio" and they're represented by those nasty Democrats who are trying to make it easier for all Ohioans to vote in competitive elections. If it weren't for the 3 C's the whole state could be a strip mall, @KJP - so it's hard to blame them for feeling that way!
May 17, 20223 yr 3 hours ago, Mendo said: How the hell does it not benefit her directly? She has an AirBNB rental that would be affected by this legislation. If it hurts cities, this legislature is all for it. My guess is that the advice she got is that her AirBnB would only be affected in the sense of being protected from future effects, but not current effects because Geneva-on-the-Lake has not passed any regulations of AirBnB hosts or properties that she understands to be threatened by this proposed legislation. I read the legislation just now (it's only 6 pages, and most of those pages are just defining terms, mercifully short and simple for legislative work): https://www.legislature.ohio.gov/legislation/legislation-committee-documents?id=GA134-HB-563 As the article says: "It says local governments can still regulate the rental homes under fire codes, health codes, noise ordinances and other similar reasons, as long as the rules are the same that also apply to traditional long-term rentals." Many of the parade-of-horribles scenarios in the article would still be within local control: Quote Bain said during the recent NBA All Star weekend, someone rented a home in Pepper Pike and hosted parties with 300 people each night for several nights, leading to resident complaints. And in Seven Hills, more than 250 people crowded a house on New Years Eve in 2018 after a man rented a room there. Police said the man advertised the party online, charging $5 to enter after paying $40 for the room. One could regulate events like that under safety, maintenance, sanitation, traffic control, or noise regulations--quite possibly all of those, and the proposed statute phrases that in the disjunctive, so even one would be sufficient. I think this proposal has a lot of merit. The only concerns raised in the article that would be legitimately impacted by the article are the "number, duration, and frequency" regulations that are motivated by apparent concerns that AirBnBs would take over entire neighborhoods in seasonally-attractive areas and then be left empty and potential nuisances during the off-season. Even in the most touristy or transient spots in Ohio, is that really even a plausible threat?
May 17, 20223 yr ^ The key players who are pushing cities to limit AirBNB is the hotel industry because it cuts into their market share and some local housing advocates who somehow fear that an airbnb unit takes away an affordable housing unit from a poor person. The Hotel industry argument has some merit, but at the same time, hotels still enjoy inherent advantages that AirBNB rentals do not so it really is an apples and oranges comparison. A hotel license allows the proprietor certain advantages an AirBNB does not enjoy so it is worth it for large AirBNB providers to register as hotels. t Also to the points addressed above, the other scare tactic issues cited to limit these types of rentals are often already accounted for under the law so such restrictions on AIrBNB citing this legislation is rather redundant. One other interesting development that is likely going to be coming in the pipeline is the restrictions on "pay to stay" in the eviction process. The larger cities like Cleveland Columbus, Dayton and Cincinnati have "Pay to Stay" laws that prevent a property owner from evicting a resident if they can come up with the full payment by the eviction date. In most areas of Ohio, a property owner can refuse the payment to force the person out. There is a conflict in law where the judges in Hamilton County are refusing to enforce this law because they believe that it is in contradiction to state landlord tenant law and the city does not have the authority to do this. Judges in Dayton and Cleveland have allowed these laws so there is a conflict that will 1) either be addressed directly by the legislature in specifically banning cities from these types of laws or 2) the the Supreme Court in resolving the conflict
May 17, 20223 yr Regardless of your opinion of who is pushing for short-term rental regulations, why is the state preventing municipalities from deciding how and where AirBnB's are appropriate?
May 17, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Mendo said: Regardless of your opinion of who is pushing for short-term rental regulations, why is the state preventing municipalities from deciding how and where AirBnB's are appropriate? Because state landlord tenant law dictates this and home rule is not able to override state law. also home rule pretty much concerns health, safety and zoning matters. Short term rentals are governed under the landlord tenant law. Therefore it is an overreach of municipalities to try and regulate
May 17, 20223 yr What do landlord tenant laws have to do with short term rentals? Are you saying landlord tenant laws should also apply to hotels, because that's what these essentially are. Talk about overreach...
May 17, 20223 yr 36 minutes ago, Mendo said: Regardless of your opinion of who is pushing for short-term rental regulations, why is the state preventing municipalities from deciding how and where AirBnB's are appropriate? Why should municipalities be deciding how and where AirBnBs are appropriate? Why should that decision not rest with individual property owners? And if municipalities refuse to respect those property rights, why should the state not step in to protect property owners from that interference?
May 17, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Gramarye said: Why should municipalities be deciding how and where AirBnBs are appropriate? Why should that decision not rest with individual property owners? And if municipalities refuse to respect those property rights, why should the state not step in to protect property owners from that interference? Oh so you are for eliminating all zoning rules? Edited May 17, 20223 yr by Mendo
May 17, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Mendo said: Oh cool, so you are for eliminating all zoning rules? The overwhelming majority of them, absolutely. Most do far more harm than good, and I wish the Republicans in the Statehouse would apply their deregulatory principles less selectively on that subject. Unfortunately, too many of them like their exclusionary lot sizes and setbacks and single-uses and parking minimums and square footage minimums and all the rest of the sprawltastic nonsense that usually gets baked into zoning codes. I look forward to the day when large mixed-use projects no longer need to go through layers of opaque bureaucratic review and expensive and time-consuming requests for variances, while zoning-consistent sprawling subdivisions sprout like dandelions, only uglier.
May 17, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Gramarye said: Why should municipalities be deciding how and where AirBnBs are appropriate? Why should that decision not rest with individual property owners? And if municipalities refuse to respect those property rights, why should the state not step in to protect property owners from that interference? Why shouldn't airbnb be subject to zoning? How is air bnb NOT a business.? I dont want a hotel building next door to me, and I dont want my neighbor operating one out of their "home" either. Is is a residential home/dwelling or a business operating as a hotel? can/should it be both? One should be subject to taxation differently than another? How about insurance and/or use restrictions placed upon any mortgage that may exist?
May 17, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, TheCOV said: Why shouldn't airbnb be subject to zoning? How is air bnb NOT a business.? I dont want a hotel building next door to me, and I dont want my neighbor operating one out of their "home" either. Is is a residential home/dwelling or a business operating as a hotel? can/should it be both? One should be subject to taxation differently than another? How about insurance and/or use restrictions placed upon any mortgage that may exist? I don't know, I generally opt for AirBnB over hotels for personal travel precisely because they usually don't feel like hotels. And if the home owner actually lives there they never do. The difference between charging someone to stay in my spare bedroom for a couple of days and running a hotel seems large to me. It seems like a good idea to incentive people renting out unused space in their homes. If you want to reduce sprawl renting out currently wasted space seems like a good thing. Perhaps it is reasonable to make a distinction between purely rental properties (which basically are run like businesses), and active homes. I think people should have little to no restrictions on what they can do with their homes. If no one lives regularly lives there though it's a different story.
May 17, 20223 yr 45 minutes ago, TheCOV said: Why shouldn't airbnb be subject to zoning? How is air bnb NOT a business.? I dont want a hotel building next door to me, and I dont want my neighbor operating one out of their "home" either. Is is a residential home/dwelling or a business operating as a hotel? can/should it be both? One should be subject to taxation differently than another? How about insurance and/or use restrictions placed upon any mortgage that may exist? Who argued that AirBnB is not a business, or even that individual hosts are not businesses? Not me. The real issue is that you shouldn't be allowed a vote on whether your neighbor rents out space in their home on a short- or long-term basis, if it is not violating generally applicable laws regarding noise, traffic, cleanliness, and the like. That's classic NIMBYism. I know you don't want to give the Republicans in the General Assembly credit for proposing any anti-NIMBY legislation and I know that most people aren't NIMBYs in their own mind, but your post is exactly what a NIMBY argument sounds like. As for whether short-term rentals like AirBnB should be taxed the same as hotels, differently than hotels, or not taxed at all, show me where in the proposed Ohio law it says anything about taxing powers. The only prohibited conduct, even before you get to the exceptions, is: Quote (B) No county, township, or municipal corporation shall adopt or enforce any regulation, restriction, or other resolution or ordinance that does either of the following: (1) Prohibits short-term rental properties; (2) Regulates the number, duration, or frequency of rental periods for short-term rental properties. The exceptions then get into the subjects that I listed above (safety, sanitation, traffic, noise, etc.), among other things. I'm sure there will be plenty of NIMBY-controlled jurisdictions that try to shoehorn in anti-AirBnB ordinances as noise and traffic ordinances, but at least they'll be restricted to passing laws that they're under at least some obligation to enforce uniformly and not single out AirBnB hosts directly.
May 30, 20223 yr Author "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 2, 20223 yr Author I. HATE. OHIO. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 2, 20223 yr So, I guess they’re gonna rush through arming doctors and nurses now? My hovercraft is full of eels
June 3, 20223 yr The Republicans in the Redistricting Commission have refused to meet, violating the Ohio Supreme Court's order. Also have suggested they need to wait until after the November election to see the voter split there. It seems pretty obvious they're hoping to wait until 2023 when Maureen O'Connor will be out. This kind of cheating is more disturbing than anything I've ever witnessed. Not making predictions either way because anything can happen, but I am gravely concerned about whether the United States will be tenable in 2030.
