With all the conversions of class B/C office going on lately downtown and Western Southern making moves on the Eastern Side of downtown, you would think another office tower would be in the works soon, especially by W&S. Their HQ is a dump and as they raise their corporate profile more, it would make sense that they would want a bit more of a downtown showpiece. to attract talent, etc.

 

Also, you would think something is going ot happen at Fountain Sq West soon.

 

Just speculation of course

46 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

With all the conversions of class B/C office going on lately downtown and Western Southern making moves on the Eastern Side of downtown, you would think another office tower would be in the works soon, especially by W&S. Their HQ is a dump and as they raise their corporate profile more, it would make sense that they would want a bit more of a downtown showpiece. to attract talent, etc.

 

Also, you would think something is going ot happen at Fountain Sq West soon.

 

Just speculation of course

Not really speculation John Barrett has been on the record of wanting to develop that area. I believe they want to own /have access rights for the park.  Making it their own p&g park.  

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2015/09/john-barrett-lays-out-plans-for-the-future-of-one.html

 

Well, it certainly seems like W&S has been playing the long game getting all of the pieces in place for a new tower. Their long battle to evict the Anna Louise Inn and turn that building into a hotel, turning Lytle Park into their own little quad, demolishing those historic home on Arch Street...

 

Someone recently suggested to me that W&S will likely wait until the next economic downturn and then pounce on the opportunity to build their new tower while materials and labor costs are lower.

 

If I could choose one or the other, though, I'd definitely prefer a new office tower at Fountain Square West that puts more jobs right into the heart of the urban core.

^ but you figure they would have some specs out on it by now. They released their plans for Queen City Square back in 2001 a full 8 years before they put a shovel in the ground. .

Oh, I have no doubt that they have the new tower fully designed and are just waiting for the right moment to pounce.

^ As far as FSW and Lytle Park area. I believe you could support towers on both spots. W&S could fill a tower on their own. 5/3 would probably fill another or Kroger or a number of other companies looking for downtown space.

8 minutes ago, taestell said:

Oh, I have no doubt that they have the new tower fully designed and are just waiting for the right moment to pounce.

 

they have stated in the past, first the hotel gets finished, then the park, then they build a new garage and then they build the new tower. 

That hotel / park have been moving at a blistering pace. We should see the new headquarters just after the end of the first nuclear winter.

I think they've been working on that hotel since I moved here in 2013, no joke, that was one of the first things I remember in the news was the Anna Louise Inn getting moved.

and then there is the replacement for the Brent Spence Bridge. How many years and counting.

What's the connection? The new BSB is a ODOT/KTC project. The City, Hamilton County, 3CDC, Western & Southern, etc. have nothing to do with it.

 

Also, the BSB isn't being replaced. A second bridge is being built alongside it.

proposals vs. product

Is Western Southern still talking about a new HQ tower? With the tight office market downtown you figure there could be room for another building besides the building at the Banks? If not Western Southern, you would think Kroger may take on a large expansion of their downtown HQ

2 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Is Western Southern still talking about a new HQ tower? With the tight office market downtown you figure there could be room for another building besides the building at the Banks? If not Western Southern, you would think Kroger may take on a large expansion of their downtown HQ

They are moving into the old Chiquita space in Columbia Tower. I don't assume they are going to develop another tower unless they run out of space there next. Seems like the banks office building will be next to build.

Queen City Tower was built during the last recession, wait for W&S to build their new building during the next recession. Much cheaper that way. 

12 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

Queen City Tower was built during the last recession, wait for W&S to build their new building during the next recession. Much cheaper that way. 

 

But that announced they were building it back in the latter half of 2007. They had to close the parking garage and demolish it before they could start building. THe plans were in place  and the project was committed to before the recession actually hit.

On 9/4/2019 at 11:01 PM, savadams13 said:

They are moving into the old Chiquita space in Columbia Tower. I don't assume they are going to develop another tower unless they run out of space there next. Seems like the banks office building will be next to build.

 

No real W&S HQ thread so I'll tag on here. My 2cents is that they should move everyone into the Columbia Square/Chiquita for a bit, Build a new tower over the OG HQ like the Hearst Tower and leave the rest of the neighborhood alone. I realize this wont happen due to egos and the need that they seem to have to build a 'campus' ala P&G but i fella can dream.That area along/around Lytle park has always had such a cool but quiet vibe going for it i just am dreading the demos that will soon come.

 

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

 

But that announced they were building it back in the latter half of 2007. They had to close the parking garage and demolish it before they could start building. THe plans were in place  and the project was committed to before the recession actually hit.

 

I went to the groundbreaking.  It was sunny out, I recall, so it had to have been in the late spring or summer of 2008.  Probably after Bear Stearns collapsed but before Lehman collapsed and the ensuing wider chaos.  

Yes, but the ground breaking is months after the announcement. I know my wife started her job in 2007 and parked in the garage for a month and they told her they would no longer renewing monthly passes and the garage would be closing soon. This was the Fall of 2007, so if not officially announced then, it was pretty imminent.

2 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Yes, but the ground breaking is months after the announcement. I know my wife started her job in 2007 and parked in the garage for a month and they told her they would no longer renewing monthly passes and the garage would be closing soon. This was the Fall of 2007, so if not officially announced then, it was pretty imminent.

 

I was told QCS was a go around the same time. I think the lower cost of construction was an added bonus however they paid on the back-end as the building took longer to lease up during the recovery. 

Construction of Queen City Tower wasn't started until the recession hit and costs came down, even though it had been planned for years.  W&S understands "buy low, sell high".

On ‎9‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 11:01 PM, savadams13 said:

They are moving into the old Chiquita space in Columbia Tower. I don't assume they are going to develop another tower unless they run out of space there next. Seems like the banks office building will be next to build.

 

I heard from an employee very recently that the employees moving to the Chiquita building will be there for 5-7 years. It's assumed that they plan to demolish the annex attached to the main HQ building by a breezeway. I'm not 100% positive, but I assume it's these buildings here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1010416,-84.5053525,3a,75y,32.05h,112.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEbQvmPjHEXUuxfGOAPPTwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

The new building would then be built there.

7 hours ago, Dresden11 said:

 

I heard from an employee very recently that the employees moving to the Chiquita building will be there for 5-7 years. It's assumed that they plan to demolish the annex attached to the main HQ building by a breezeway. I'm not 100% positive, but I assume it's these buildings here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1010416,-84.5053525,3a,75y,32.05h,112.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEbQvmPjHEXUuxfGOAPPTwA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

The new building would then be built there.

Isnt there a height restriction on the Lytle Park part of downtown?

 

I heard they wanted to do something with the annex area but not necessarily a tower given the fact it was in the historic district?

20 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Isnt there a height restriction on the Lytle Park part of downtown?

 

I heard they wanted to do something with the annex area but not necessarily a tower given the fact it was in the historic district?

Western Southern/Eagle Realty had the historic district lines relocated a couple years ago. Not sure if they removed the border on this block.

On 9/5/2019 at 4:05 PM, SleepyLeroy said:

 

No real W&S HQ thread so I'll tag on here. My 2cents is that they should move everyone into the Columbia Square/Chiquita for a bit, Build a new tower over the OG HQ like the Hearst Tower and leave the rest of the neighborhood alone. I realize this wont happen due to egos and the need that they seem to have to build a 'campus' ala P&G but i fella can dream.That area along/around Lytle park has always had such a cool but quiet vibe going for it i just am dreading the demos that will soon come.

 

 

 

This design is my dream, but also that W&S just realize how huge a plus their present set up surrounding the park is. The "campus" is there - and so is the opportunity to make it much better than P&Gs

8 hours ago, savadams13 said:

Western Southern/Eagle Realty had the historic district lines relocated a couple years ago. Not sure if they removed the border on this block.

The city eliminated the historic district boundaries in this area around 2014/2015.

 

Rumors is that W&S want to level the block cited above and build new. They even have a model of it displayed somewhere.

 

No historic retrofit. No facadectomy. 

I want to preserve these buildings but I'm also very supportive of a fortune 500 company investing in the urban core and building a tower that would have a major impact on the skyline. 

The annex is an ugly building, I would not miss it. that area of 5th street is a bit dead and could use some life too. No restaurants in that area to walk too for lunch and stuff. Could use a bit more life in that area.

The Western and Southern facade, especially at 4th street should really be saved if possible, but the rest of that block is definitely going away. Hopefully no demo crosses 4th to the Guilford or neighboring buildings.

 

Part of the reason there is no life in that area is because P&G and W&S both feed their employees in cafeterias. Despite all the jobs on the east side of downtown there are almost no retail businesses because both large employers exist in a kind of vacuum. The hotel should help somewhat around Lytle Park but it wall always feel kind of lifeless on that side of town.

On 1/1/2021 at 2:34 PM, Cygnus said:

Residents at 550 East 4th were given a years notice to vacate so that Western Southern could renovate the building.

 

This is just the tip of the iceberg for development in Lytle Park.  I was hoping that someone noticed this article from last week regarding HB 39 that is oddly vague but specific:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/12/30/dewine-signs-commercial-real-estate-legislation.html 

27 minutes ago, nicker66 said:

This is just the tip of the iceberg for development in Lytle Park.  I was hoping that someone noticed this article from last week regarding HB 39 that is oddly vague but specific:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/12/30/dewine-signs-commercial-real-estate-legislation.html 

 

I'm still concerned that remote working will remain a permanent fixture for a majority of companies and their office workers. 

 

It's almost been a year now of remote working for alot of companies and many have found that it's been rather successful for their business and their employees. 

 

Not to mentioned that when you don't have to pay the electricity bill, water bill, cafe staff, janitorial contracts, receptionists, security guards, police detail, parking lot maintenance etc that you end up saving quite a bit of money in the long run. 

22 minutes ago, troeros said:

I'm still concerned that remote working will remain a permanent fixture for a majority of companies and their office workers. 

 

It's certainly possible.  However, another way to look at it is that it can have little to no short-term impact, but it doesn't necessarily follow that such will be true in the long term.  For instance, Forbes recently published an article about large companies slashing their digital advertising and seeing no impact on sales (link to Slashdot article since there's some good discussion and Forbes is an awful website).  Much of the discussion revolves around the fact that big companies/brands like Coca-Cola, McDonald's, Tide, etc. are in it for the long-game of brand recognition, not necessarily specific product marketing.  That campaign is years if not generations long.  Suspending it for a year or two isn't going to impact much.  Stretch that out too long though and the momentum won't be able to carry it on, and building that brand back up can be very difficult.

 

In the same vein, businesses working remotely and without offices may be just fine for now, especially because it's for a (generally) mutually agreed upon reason.  Even if there wasn't an expectation of returning to some resemblance of normalcy in the next several months, the lack of true face-time, conferences, trade shows, open houses, happy hours, lunches, basically any networking involving clients, vendors, consultants, colleagues, and even competitors, is going to start taking its toll.  Some companies may do just fine with everyone being a hermit crab, but I think others will find that they're falling out of the loop, and clients aren't going to tolerate Zoom meetings forever.

I think working at home can be useful for knocking out several hours of data entry and watching training videos or some types of meetings but the fact is you're never going to have full engagement with the company if you're never there.   You don't have the casual conversations with higher-ups where you can put the idea in their mind to assign you to do something that you know you'd be good at.  

 

Also, I went to a law office to sign some stuff during the lockdown and the lawyer was literally the only person there.  No secretary, no other lawyers.  Still, there is a perception of value when you go to a downtown law office.  I could have signed the stuff in a Panera Bread parking lot in a t-shirt and it would have been legit but there is a need for formality for expensive services to retain some of their mystique and value.    

 

We already live in a ridiculously informal age as compared to what I remember from visiting my dad and grandfather's offices in the 1980s.  Now we've got people holding meetings with exotic animals slinking around their zoom workspace.   

Edited January 5, 20214 yr by jmecklenborg

51 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

I'm still concerned that remote working will remain a permanent fixture for a majority of companies and their office workers. 

 

It's almost been a year now of remote working for alot of companies and many have found that it's been rather successful for their business and their employees. 

 

Not to mentioned that when you don't have to pay the electricity bill, water bill, cafe staff, janitorial contracts, receptionists, security guards, police detail, parking lot maintenance etc that you end up saving quite a bit of money in the long run. 

 

Jobs with highly conservative corporate culture like insurance and other financial jobs will almost 100% be back in the office. While I don't think the TMUD tax credits were developed for any Lytle Park projects directly, a potential new HQ building would most likely exceed the $50 million needed to qualify.

Back office workers will almost certainly be in the office. There may be some ability for flextime and more work from home opportunities develop, but there still needs to be a place for team collaboration (sorry Zoom does not cut it) and a hub for sensitive materials and such. More importantly, as companies move to cross functional teams, it will be important to be able to look across the table to your co-worker and teammate to loop them in (again slack does not do a great job at this) or be able to get that immediate feedback/body language of the co-worker sitting next to you. 

 

Front office positions can be more and more remote as they are essentially that way now. 

Also, you have to figure that companies will still need to improve their HQ office space necessitating more building. W&S is a Fortune 500. .Their HQ looks like a dump. For talent retention and attraction, it would behoove them to build a new one. Look at what Sherwin is doing in Cleveland or PNC did recently in Pittsburgh. There will still be a demand for those types of upgrades.

I think many people are frankly getting sick of working from home at this point. Yes, many employees enjoy working from home, or the flexibility to do so from time to time, but others don't have a home office and are sick of working from the kitchen table. Especially couples living together where both people are unexpectedly working from home and sharing a single office or table.

1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

I'm still concerned that remote working will remain a permanent fixture for a majority of companies and their office workers. 

 

It's almost been a year now of remote working for alot of companies and many have found that it's been rather successful for their business and their employees. 

 

Not to mentioned that when you don't have to pay the electricity bill, water bill, cafe staff, janitorial contracts, receptionists, security guards, police detail, parking lot maintenance etc that you end up saving quite a bit of money in the long run. 

This isn’t entirely true. The productivity drop off was significant immediately and has grown over the last year across most office environments despite what the Recode cognoscenti say. The toll on mental health is similarly underreported, though for different reasons. That’s not to say the pandemic hasn’t/won’t change the way work is done, but it’s more likely to be a catalyst of smaller changes than a paradigm-shifting event. 

Personally, I hated when I worked at home for a couple years. It was too monotonous for me. I often ended up spending too much money at Panera just to get a change of scenery many days. 

 

 

22 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Their HQ looks like a dump. 

 

If you look in from the street on 4th St., you can see that they still have rows of paper records on the second floor of their greek revival original building.  When I temped at Nationwide 15+ years ago everything was already scanned and I assume that all of their paper records had been shredded years earlier.  

25 minutes ago, taestell said:

I think many people are frankly getting sick of working from home at this point. Yes, many employees enjoy working from home, or the flexibility to do so from time to time, but others don't have a home office and are sick of working from the kitchen table. Especially couples living together where both people are unexpectedly working from home and sharing a single office or table.

 

I don't miss my commute whatsoever. I don't miss the mind numbing boredom of morning and afternoon rush hour traffic.

 

I don't miss running late to work because of a traffic accident and feeling anxiety and pressure walking into work late.

 

I don't miss freezing my ass off during the cold winter months waiting for my car to warm up before and after work. 

 

I don't miss losing an extra hour of sleep just so I can take a shower, brush my teeth, and put my button down and silky suit pants on, just so I can look presentable for the higher ups who most likely don't even know my name, not even care about me whatsoever. 

 

I don't miss feeling anxiety when I walk past my bosses desk, or see the higher up senior management walk by in the cafeteria. 

 

I don't miss feeling pressure by my boss and his micromanagement (his desk was only a few rows behind my cubicle and would constantly, "check up" on us to see what we were doing. 

 

I don't miss spending 10-15 dollars per day on lunch/snacks/drinks during my work day. 

 

I don't miss spending the extra money on gas for the commute. 

 

I don't really miss the small talk with my co-workers who are small talking for the sake of small talking. 

 

The only thing I miss are some of the events we had at work, and some of my genuine co-worker friends that I had in my department.

 

Working from home isn't perfect for everyone (especially if you have little kids and can't block the noise out, or have trouble focusing on your job duties)..

 

 

With that said, I would find it difficult to transition back to the mundane grey office cubicle. 

 

I'm always on time since their are no traffic accidents. 

 

I'm always saving money since I can just cook/microwave something quick from the fridge. Don't have to spend money on Starbucks or coffee shops either since I buy a 12 dollar bill folgers from Costco and it lasts me 3 months. Don't have to spend extra money on gas or new suits. 

 

Never feel anxious about seeing my supervisors. I never feel micromanaged anymore. 

 

Plus, if I am having a rough day I can open a case of beer and not feel judged. 

 

The pro's just severely out weight the cons for me at this point. 

 

I personally hated working from home the first few months. It was really lonely and isolating. But when you realize how much time you save in the morning/afternoon, and how much money you ultimately save in the process than it definitely shines a whole new light to the experience and outcome. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 20214 yr by troeros

22 minutes ago, taestell said:

I think many people are frankly getting sick of working from home at this point. Yes, many employees enjoy working from home, or the flexibility to do so from time to time, but others don't have a home office and are sick of working from the kitchen table. Especially couples living together where both people are unexpectedly working from home and sharing a single office or table.

 

The odd thing is that people have become so used to zoom meetings that people at cubicles will now have to participate in zoom calls with those working remotely.  Right now I move into a meeting room to do this but when everybody comes back that won't be possible regularly.  So you're going to have to have people unmute themselves every time they want to talk. 

 

Also, the delay on zoom and Microsoft Teams is super-super annoying.  I assume that they'll be able to fix this at some point but you still have to unplug an internet router every once in awhile like it's still 2001.  

 

^^ Then it sounds like you are a good candidate for working from home partially or maybe even full time. However...

 

1 hour ago, troeros said:

I don't miss feeling anxiety when I walk past my bosses desk, or see the higher up senior management walk by in the cafeteria. 

 

I don't miss feeling pressure by my boss and his micromanagement (his desk was only a few rows behind my cubicle and would constantly, "check up" on us to see what we were doing. 

 

Middle managers loooooove to walk around the office and see their "team" hard at work in their respective cubicles. They love to see "spontaneous conversations at the water cooler that lead to workplace synergy" blah blah blah. For that reason alone, corporate offices aren't fully going away.

 

I spent about 7 years as a consultant and over that time, the clients I worked for spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on airfare and hotels and meals so I could come physically work in their offices in other cities around the country. 95% of that work could have been done remotely, and in COVID times, 100% of that work is being done remotely. But they are willing to spend all that money because managers want to see butts in seats.

Collaborative professions like planning, architecture, and design benefit from in-person interactions so I would see those also returning to mostly office. But @taestell is correct. There will be more flexibility, it will depend on the industry and at what level someone is in that industry.

18 minutes ago, taestell said:

But they are willing to spend all that money because managers want to see butts in seats

Real estate is expensive. you gotta justify that expense somehow.

36 minutes ago, taestell said:

^^ Then it sounds like you are a good candidate for working from home partially or maybe even full time. However...

 

 

Middle managers loooooove to walk around the office and see their "team" hard at work in their respective cubicles. They love to see "spontaneous conversations at the water cooler that lead to workplace synergy" blah blah blah. For that reason alone, corporate offices aren't fully going away.

 

I spent about 7 years as a consultant and over that time, the clients I worked for spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on airfare and hotels and meals so I could come physically work in their offices in other cities around the country. 95% of that work could have been done remotely, and in COVID times, 100% of that work is being done remotely. But they are willing to spend all that money because managers want to see butts in seats.

It goes both ways. I know people who's productivity has dropped off a cliff during the pandemic, largely cause they're at home with spouse and kids and can't concentrate. Essentially it's like having a work day filled with useless meetings - nothing meaningful gets done. They're put in a position where in order to be productive, they have to tell their kids to stop asking them questions, please go play outside, and understand that their a parent not a best friend. Not everyone can deal with that - so some people will love to go back to the office, not just the middle managers.

There will probably be a lot less kids if WFH catches on since you're sure not going to meet a mate sitting alone in your apartment.

10 minutes ago, jim uber said:

It goes both ways. I know people who's productivity has dropped off a cliff during the pandemic, largely cause they're at home with spouse and kids and can't concentrate. Essentially it's like having a work day filled with useless meetings - nothing meaningful gets done. They're put in a position where in order to be productive, they have to tell their kids to stop asking them questions, please go play outside, and understand that their a parent not a best friend. Not everyone can deal with that - so some people will love to go back to the office, not just the middle managers.

 

In a perfect world, people would be able to work from home when they need to focus on a task, and go into an office when they need to collaborate or want to have more social interaction. As @JYP said, different types of jobs will fall on different ends of that spectrum. However, I suspect we're going to return to a balance where most employees are in the office about 60-80% of the time (1-2 WFH days per week). It will vary based on each individual employee's job and desired level of socialization (as well as their manager's preferences), but I feel like that's probably the average.

 

If that's the case, I don't think that allows most companies to downsize very much. For example, at a company where everyone works from home 1 day per week, do you have 5 employees that have dedicated desks and 1 employee that is "seat filler" and takes the desk of whoever happens to be working from home that day? That doesn't seem like a great situation to me. Do you go to a system where there are no assigned desks and it's a free-for-all every day? Actually, the company I work for has that system at their HQ, and for the most part, people still assign themselves a desk and get mad if someone else sits in it. So you still need roughly as many desks as employees.

I don't see why everyone is always trying to "rethink the office".

3 hours ago, troeros said:

 

I don't miss my commute whatsoever. I don't miss the mind numbing boredom of morning and afternoon rush hour traffic.

 

I don't miss running late to work because of a traffic accident and feeling anxiety and pressure walking into work late.

 

I don't miss freezing my ass off during the cold winter months waiting for my car to warm up before and after work. 

 

I don't miss losing an extra hour of sleep just so I can take a shower, brush my teeth, and put my button down and silky suit pants on, just so I can look presentable for the higher ups who most likely don't even know my name, not even care about me whatsoever. 

 

I don't miss feeling anxiety when I walk past my bosses desk, or see the higher up senior management walk by in the cafeteria. 

 

I don't miss feeling pressure by my boss and his micromanagement (his desk was only a few rows behind my cubicle and would constantly, "check up" on us to see what we were doing. 

 

I don't miss spending 10-15 dollars per day on lunch/snacks/drinks during my work day. 

 

I don't miss spending the extra money on gas for the commute. 

 

I don't really miss the small talk with my co-workers who are small talking for the sake of small talking. 

 

The only thing I miss are some of the events we had at work, and some of my genuine co-worker friends that I had in my department.

 

Working from home isn't perfect for everyone (especially if you have little kids and can't block the noise out, or have trouble focusing on your job duties)..

 

 

With that said, I would find it difficult to transition back to the mundane grey office cubicle. 

 

I'm always on time since their are no traffic accidents. 

 

I'm always saving money since I can just cook/microwave something quick from the fridge. Don't have to spend money on Starbucks or coffee shops either since I buy a 12 dollar bill folgers from Costco and it lasts me 3 months. Don't have to spend extra money on gas or new suits. 

 

Never feel anxious about seeing my supervisors. I never feel micromanaged anymore. 

 

Plus, if I am having a rough day I can open a case of beer and not feel judged. 

 

The pro's just severely out weight the cons for me at this point. 

 

I personally hated working from home the first few months. It was really lonely and isolating. But when you realize how much time you save in the morning/afternoon, and how much money you ultimately save in the process than it definitely shines a whole new light to the experience and outcome. 

 

 

Yep. Working from home has completely changed my life for the better. I dread the day I have to go back to the office. Luckily my employer has now pushed it out until at least June 1, 2021.

19 hours ago, jim uber said:

It goes both ways. I know people who's productivity has dropped off a cliff during the pandemic, largely cause they're at home with spouse and kids and can't concentrate. Essentially it's like having a work day filled with useless meetings - nothing meaningful gets done. They're put in a position where in order to be productive, they have to tell their kids to stop asking them questions, please go play outside, and understand that their a parent not a best friend. Not everyone can deal with that - so some people will love to go back to the office, not just the middle managers.

Your post here along with @troeros post a few replies up describes where my head is in all of this. It's hard to decide what is best. Long term for me I see it becoming a hybrid of what it was in January 2020 (5 days in the office) and what it was in April 2020 (o day in the office). Like right now...I do 3-4 days in the office but have weeks where I do 0-2 days.

 

19 hours ago, taestell said:

 

In a perfect world, people would be able to work from home when they need to focus on a task, and go into an office when they need to collaborate or want to have more social interaction.

 

One thing I would note on this specific part is that much of the working world are parents. With schools being closed, those folks seek refuge in an office for productivity, often sharing the teaching duties with their spouse.

Edited January 6, 20214 yr by Rabbit Hash
Added Travis's quote and response.