April 12, 20232 yr I've always said people love or hate the Georges. It's clear where Mark Naymick falls on this spectrum: https://signalcleveland.org/weekly-chatter-the-man-atop-irishtown-bend-speaks/?fbclid=IwAR0EvhSuTygcFJEzuRO-ZVBVgvVJSkYrwwY4sQpDujbqGnTduZl_s9MPN5o_aem_AUc2JVtqEjO28VcVCpTeTne4pK6QDN8X9Rk2cvMle86oQkgrr_FSzVPCKvAMYWV7jjagoyLBIFsrKRZCX3opyfDPVIinZiE23kirtG1hjAIAJ3xjJjTFxa9c2DcQn-IfNf_kMc9R2m8p3PxutlEXLefK
April 12, 20232 yr Author 24 minutes ago, E Rocc said: I've always said people love or hate the Georges. It's clear where Mark Naymick falls on this spectrum: https://signalcleveland.org/weekly-chatter-the-man-atop-irishtown-bend-speaks/?fbclid=IwAR0EvhSuTygcFJEzuRO-ZVBVgvVJSkYrwwY4sQpDujbqGnTduZl_s9MPN5o_aem_AUc2JVtqEjO28VcVCpTeTne4pK6QDN8X9Rk2cvMle86oQkgrr_FSzVPCKvAMYWV7jjagoyLBIFsrKRZCX3opyfDPVIinZiE23kirtG1hjAIAJ3xjJjTFxa9c2DcQn-IfNf_kMc9R2m8p3PxutlEXLefK Naymick regularly puts out content that gets hung up on irrelevant details, questions good policy, or presents bad decisions as good. In this article, there was no pushback whatsoever on the claims G**rge was making. He complains about government spending, but somehow doesn’t clearly state that the G**rges made that property acquisition cost the project team nearly $3M, which should have been several hundred thousand dollars. Plus they have to include the G**rges in the project. Also there was no pushback on the “I bought it for the billboards” line. Look, there’s no question that the project team screwed up in not securing that property earlier. But anyone lending the G**rges a sympathetic ear on this situation should be laughed out of the room. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 12, 20232 yr Because a criminal-led* family is so lovable. * = Thomas "Tony" George was convicted of a felony and accused of/investigated for many other crimes. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 12, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, E Rocc said: I've always said people love or hate the Georges. It's clear where Mark Naymick falls on this spectrum: https://signalcleveland.org/weekly-chatter-the-man-atop-irishtown-bend-speaks/?fbclid=IwAR0EvhSuTygcFJEzuRO-ZVBVgvVJSkYrwwY4sQpDujbqGnTduZl_s9MPN5o_aem_AUc2JVtqEjO28VcVCpTeTne4pK6QDN8X9Rk2cvMle86oQkgrr_FSzVPCKvAMYWV7jjagoyLBIFsrKRZCX3opyfDPVIinZiE23kirtG1hjAIAJ3xjJjTFxa9c2DcQn-IfNf_kMc9R2m8p3PxutlEXLefK I've long had the feeling (shared by George) that the Angle hillside was not nearly as unstable as is claimed and still think a strip of properties directly on W25th could have been kept commercial and on the tax rolls. Put a couple of gaps in them for park access and views but keep something paying the taxes to maintain the park. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 12, 20232 yr ^FWIW, the geotechnical challenges are not some recently invented issue. They killed off a seemingly viable project almost 20 years ago that was much larger and more deeply resourced than anything George could dream of. You can read about the enormous (several hundred unit) HOPE VI proposal from ~2005 in the earliest pages of the Ohio City thread.
April 12, 20232 yr 20 minutes ago, StapHanger said: ^FWIW, the geotechnical challenges are not some recently invented issue. They killed off a seemingly viable project almost 20 years ago that was much larger and more deeply resourced than anything George could dream of. You can read about the enormous (several hundred unit) HOPE VI proposal from ~2005 in the earliest pages of the Ohio City thread. I suspect that the stability is an issue, but not by itself a show stopper, and that there's a suspicion of some CERCLA stuff going on that nobody wants to acknowledge head on.
April 12, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, StapHanger said: ^FWIW, the geotechnical challenges are not some recently invented issue. They killed off a seemingly viable project almost 20 years ago that was much larger and more deeply resourced than anything George could dream of. You can read about the enormous (several hundred unit) HOPE VI proposal from ~2005 in the earliest pages of the Ohio City thread. I went back to that thread like you said and looked at some comments back in 2005 and was just laughing at them because they are talking about a very different Ohio City and W25th. At the time they were probably very accurate but I think it's really cool to read those old comments and see how far we've come.
April 12, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: I suspect that the stability is an issue, but not by itself a show stopper, and that there's a suspicion of some CERCLA stuff going on that nobody wants to acknowledge head on. Must everything be a conspiracy? It's equally likely that Irishtown Bend is where Elvis and Bigfoot buried the body of the second shooter on the grassy knoll and so the FBI secretly told City officials that they better not go digging there and just put a park in and call it good, then the Georges went and messed everything up by being a secret front for the CIA, who is hot on the trail of Bigfoot and wants his crimes revealed, the whole thing being a power play between rival government factions over who gets the keys to the secret weather control device. Ok, that is slightly less likely to all be true. But equally supported by the evidence.
April 12, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, X said: Must everything be a conspiracy? It's equally likely that Irishtown Bend is where Elvis and Bigfoot buried the body of the second shooter on the grassy knoll and so the FBI secretly told City officials that they better not go digging there and just put a park in and call it good, then the Georges went and messed everything up by being a secret front for the CIA, who is hot on the trail of Bigfoot and wants his crimes revealed, the whole thing being a power play between rival government factions over who gets the keys to the secret weather control device. Ok, that is slightly less likely to all be true. But equally supported by the evidence. Or just not something anyone wants to enquire too deeply into. Not so much "we don't want anyone to know" as "we don't want to know". The history of the area would make it very unsurprising if there's things underground which are best left undisturbed. Laws and common practices have changed a lot.
April 12, 20232 yr 4 hours ago, StapHanger said: ^FWIW, the geotechnical challenges are not some recently invented issue. They killed off a seemingly viable project almost 20 years ago that was much larger and more deeply resourced than anything George could dream of. You can read about the enormous (several hundred unit) HOPE VI proposal from ~2005 in the earliest pages of the Ohio City thread. I'm not suggesting anything massive - just 2-3 story apartment/retail stuff on the east side of the street to match the scale of the other side and not overly obstruct views. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
April 12, 20232 yr ^That's not too far off from what the old HOPE VI plan called for. It was big because it covered a ton of land area, but didn't include any large buildings IIRC. Goody Clancy won design awards for the plan. I was pretty crushed when it died due to the geotech issues. You can still see the plan on this neighborhood master plan from around https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/cwp/other/Detroit_Ave_East.pdf And of course none of this is to say you can't build there, just that it would cost a lot to dig caissons or whatever you'd have to do, which is a pretty big anchor given the already high construction cost and rate environment. [Edited to clean up link] Edited April 12, 20232 yr by StapHanger
April 24, 20232 yr Another big step forward "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 26, 20232 yr Took a friends boat out of storage yesterday, following the Sam Laud downriver. Here are some "before" photos of Irishtown Bend as it stands now.
April 26, 20232 yr 17 minutes ago, Cleburger said: Took a friends boat out of storage yesterday, Wow where does your friend store such a huge boat like that?? Must cost a fortune to store!
April 26, 20232 yr 54 minutes ago, dwolfi01 said: Wow where does your friend store such a huge boat like that?? Must cost a fortune to store! Haha he stores at Riverfront. We just got stuck behind little Sam Laud. The bonus was the bridges were all open as we followed her through! It was a nice way to spend a couple hours watching her back out of the crooked river!
May 2, 20232 yr Very busy planning commission agenda this week -- especially with funding for Irishtown Bend from the city's ARPA Waterfront Activation Fund. https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2023/PDF/CPC/CPC05-05-2023.pdf "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, KJP said: Very busy planning commission agenda this week -- especially with funding for Irishtown Bend from the city's ARPA Waterfront Activation Fund. https://planning.clevelandohio.gov/designreview/drcagenda/2023/PDF/CPC/CPC05-05-2023.pdf Why are "gifts" included in what the Director can accept?
May 2, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, BuckeyePlanner said: Why are "gifts" included in what the Director can accept? A financial donation to the project counts as a "gift." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 20232 yr Lots of construction permit apps going through for Irishtown Bend in recent days. Interesting that one includes "demolition" work as the only thing left to be demolished is the old Royal Castle building owned by George. That property hasn't transferred yet, so I suspect that the day it's transferred, it's coming down.... That permit is titled: Irishtown Bend Stabilization and Rehabilitation. Demolition and earthwork for slope stabilization and 2400 feet of new bulkhead on the west bank of the Cuyahoga River. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 17, 20232 yr that building can't come down soon enough!! Such a blight on such a prominent corner.
May 17, 20232 yr Am I remember incorrectly I thought only a portion of the Bobby George building was coming down. I thought the portion/wing with the bill board was remaining
May 18, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said: Am I remember incorrectly I thought only a portion of the Bobby George building was coming down. I thought the portion/wing with the bill board was remaining You are remembering correctly. Unless something changed since the proposed deal was posted on the Port's website: https://www.portofcleveland.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/MIG-Settlement-Agreement.pdf. The front half will remain until the three billboards replacing the one on the front half are installed: AND
June 21, 20231 yr 5 minutes ago, RMB said: anybody get the update at the meeting? Can't find a video of it. The Ohio City Inc Instragram had a story last night saying the full video will be posted today. I believe they post them to their youtube page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKdDEBesjs_aPx3LtZrjKlw I was planning on watching it tonight so hopefully it's posted by then
June 23, 20231 yr Two crews working on the hillside today - couldn't really tell what they were up to from the train but I'm guessing something to do with utilities?
June 23, 20231 yr Update from OCI meeting available here: https://res.cloudinary.com/courbanize-production/image/upload/v1/information_plans/pdspqm2flxyhkona9imr
June 23, 20231 yr While we all love cranes in the sky, this is precisely the kind of project the city has ignored for decades and that can be a real catalyst for development. People already want to live in the this area. Add east access to an incredible view/public gathering spot and it will take off. It will also be a go-to destination for locals and visitors alike.
June 24, 20231 yr 2027 seems so far away 😩😩 but I'm excited for how transformative it will be for the riverfront!!
June 26, 20231 yr The Ohio City Inc meeting recording is up on their YouTube page. Irishtown Bend starts at 17:00 (really the meat of it starts at 23:30). Same presentation as RMB posted above but this video also has some Q&A from people: Q: Why has Hooples not been "brought to the table" from the beginning for this project? A: Hooples owners like everyone else has had the same opportunities to come provide feedback Q: If Franklin Ave is closed for a long time traffic in the area will be bad. Closing it will "cause more problems than you think" A: Franklin will close from August this year for about 2 years. There is no way to do this project without realigning Franklin without inflating the costs by an extra $6M. Franklin will only be closed for the stabilization part of it. Q: In Cleveland, temporary sometimes means permanent so is it possible Franklin will be closed permanently. A: There is no intention to get rid of Franklin forever. Q: When is the swing bridge opening? A: We heard it's late August Q: Are you incorporating community art in this project or are you at that point yet? A: We're not at that part of the project yet. Q: Do you know the route where all the trucks moving dirt will go? A: We don't know yet Q: You mentioned the boardwalk will be 18ft above the water. Are there areas where we can get closer to the water? A: Not in the majority of the park but down towards the Hoople side it will be closer.
June 26, 20231 yr The dedicated RTA bus route @25:40 is going to be interesting. That crosswalk at the market just looks increasingly dangerous for pedestrians. I imagine with a dedicated bus lane this crosswalk will get a walk/don't walk signal.
June 26, 20231 yr 13 hours ago, dwolfi01 said: Q: Why has Hooples not been "brought to the table" from the beginning for this project? A: Hooples owners like everyone else has had the same opportunities to come provide feedback Just like they were slighted by the Redline Greenway lol. Instead of embracing a huge potential project they quipped about losing a couple parking spaces.
June 26, 20231 yr between center Ave bridge rebuild and Abby closure during Intro construction, I think all those places along Columbus have dealt with significantly less traffic over the last few years. it's probabaly fair that they're concerned that franklin, the bar's direct access to w25, will be closed for several years. Edited June 27, 20231 yr by Whipjacka
July 7, 20231 yr During today's City Planning meeting, Bobby got his billboard downtown approved so that the one from the future park is removed. The billboard will be on top of Harry Buffalo downtown and feature two screens. Progress, in some form. Edited July 7, 20231 yr by downtownjoe
July 7, 20231 yr ^ Cool. Hopefully in a couple of years ‘Nucleus’ v.6,837 will mostly block it out anyway. My hovercraft is full of eels
July 7, 20231 yr The removal of that ugly building on the end of Irishtown Bend will make a tremendous positive difference
July 8, 20231 yr I cannot wait until that awful building is torn down. It really puts a huge damper on the Hingetown area vibe with it being so close. Once the park is done and bridgeworks is up it'll be like night and day at that prominent intersection
July 13, 20231 yr Port Board OK’s $60M Irishtown Bend stabilization By Ken Prendergast / July 13, 2023 Today the Cleveland port authority’s board of directors approved the hiring of an Ohio construction company for nearly $60 million to stabilize and rehabilitate the Irishtown Bend hillside, a project that is being done foremost to maintain the Cuyahoga River shipping channel. But the work also must be done before any construction can start on the 23-acre Irishtown Bend Park in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/07/13/port-board-oks-60m-irishtown-bend-stabilization/ Be sure to check out the video simulation of the hillside collapse -- link embedded in the article "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 13, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, KJP said: Be sure to check out the video simulation of the hillside collapse -- link embedded in the article RIP innocent kayakers and people enjoying a stroll at Merlin’s Wharf 😟 My hovercraft is full of eels
July 13, 20231 yr 11 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: RIP innocent kayakers and people enjoying a stroll at Merlin’s Wharf 😟
July 14, 20231 yr work to start this fall? https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/port-of-cleveland-approves-60m-irishtown-bend-stabilization-project/95-c63ba003-df14-4fb6-9d36-b1a34d5f175e
July 14, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, simplythis said: work to start this fall? https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/port-of-cleveland-approves-60m-irishtown-bend-stabilization-project/95-c63ba003-df14-4fb6-9d36-b1a34d5f175e Two questions on the picture in this story: What's with the archaeological site, and what's with the activity gateway on Detroit by the bridge (seems like a weird place to put an entrance)?
July 14, 20231 yr 53 minutes ago, Ineffable_Matt said: Two questions on the picture in this story: What's with the archaeological site, and what's with the activity gateway on Detroit by the bridge (seems like a weird place to put an entrance)? CSU did some archaeology digs a while back related to the old Angle neighborhood. Don't know if it is still active, or if they're planning to expose and do some interpretative signage.
July 14, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, Ineffable_Matt said: what's with the activity gateway on Detroit by the bridge (seems like a weird place to put an entrance)? There's already a path that goes under the bridge there which connects to the trail that goes all the way to Edgewater Park so it makes sense to keep that connection. Here's a quick sketch showing the new connection. With that you would be able to get from Edgewater Park all the way down to the Towpath without needing to be on roads! Really looking forward to it
July 14, 20231 yr Just need to do something to make West 65th less of a death trap and we'll have a fantastic near-west-side loop with the Red-Line Greenway and those trails.
July 31, 20231 yr Not a construction update specifically about Irishtown Bend, more along the lines of seeing how the area is transforming. clevelandskyscrapers.com Cleveland Skyscrapers on Instagram
July 31, 20231 yr ^ just look at that unique and handsome riverfront. and much more to come. i would have never imagined this conversion happening. like it would just remain industrial and forgotten forever. so great to see.
July 31, 20231 yr Not a construction update specifically about Irishtown Bend, more along the lines of seeing how the area is transforming.This picture made me realize how much the Irishtown Bend PLUS Bedrocks riverfront development will extend and activate the riverfront. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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