October 3, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, KJP said: Wait until you see the vision for the land across the street You’ve been breadcrumbing this for a while now. Lutheran lot high rises? With condos?
October 3, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, Geowizical said: The presentation for PC on Oct. 6th for Irishtown Bend is so detailed, thorough, and exciting all I have to say is: WOW https://assets.courbanize.com/irishtown-bend-park/info-plans/425e3bcad19610d0670c9a7bc434ca24.pdf THIS is a world-class park. Worth the entire read. this is amazing and especially given such a problematic site. eat your heart out james corner fields associates lol.
October 3, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, Geowizical said: The presentation for PC on Oct. 6th for Irishtown Bend is so detailed, thorough, and exciting all I have to say is: WOW https://assets.courbanize.com/irishtown-bend-park/info-plans/425e3bcad19610d0670c9a7bc434ca24.pdf THIS is a world-class park. Worth the entire read. I apologize for this being off-topic, but do you (or anyone else) know where I can view the Riverview Tower remodel/renovation that was referenced in the slide deck? I’d be interested in seeing those.
October 3, 20231 yr 10 hours ago, KJP said: Wait until you see the vision for the land across the street … and when will we be seeing that Ken? Hmm??
October 3, 20231 yr Cannot wait for this! That presentation got me all excited! And imagine those renderings but in the Fall time 😍 Definitely will be spending tons of time here. Like @HtsguyI also would have liked to see their plans for lighting. And a fountain would be really neat too
October 3, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Growth Mindset said: … and when will we be seeing that Ken? Hmm?? If no delays, by the end of this month "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 20231 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 20231 yr @KJP do know one way or another whether RTA has the funding for the West 25th transit project? As referenced above, that could be/is an important element of the park project-although separate from it- especially the narrowing of the street as it reaches Detroit.
October 3, 20231 yr I think they have some of it. I'll have to check. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 20231 yr 15 hours ago, KJP said: Wait until you see the vision for the land across the street Can you at least tell us if it is a "vision" or a "project"?
October 3, 20231 yr 20 hours ago, Geowizical said: The presentation for PC on Oct. 6th for Irishtown Bend is so detailed, thorough, and exciting all I have to say is: WOW https://assets.courbanize.com/irishtown-bend-park/info-plans/425e3bcad19610d0670c9a7bc434ca24.pdf THIS is a world-class park. Worth the entire read. Absolutely- Irishtown Bend has the potential to profoundly change the “feel”and perception of Cleveland - (especially when considered from the west side) -from an former industrial town that doesn’t know what to do with its abundant natural resources - to a city beautifully redefining itself by providing a World class “urban park” that tens of thousands will enjoy on a regular basis. A few of my favorite slides from the presentation-
October 3, 20231 yr 32 minutes ago, Dino said: Can you at least tell us if it is a "vision" or a "project"? Both "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 3, 20231 yr BothI vaguelyyyyy remember something about a small hotel going over there somewhere?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
October 3, 20231 yr 22 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: I vaguelyyyyy remember something about a small hotel going over there somewhere? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk https://neo-trans.blog/2023/04/22/hulett-hotel-plans-make-a-comeback/
October 3, 20231 yr 24 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: I vaguelyyyyy remember something about a small hotel going over there somewhere? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Those big parking lots gonna go bye bye.
October 3, 20231 yr 26 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said: Those big parking lots gonna go bye bye. I heard Lutheran is jealous of SHW and wants to construct a 2 story welcome center/pavilion on those lots. 🤣
October 3, 20231 yr As long as it is more of a project than "vision" I'm fine with it. We have enough "visions" for this city right now (Ballpark village, Lakefront, riverfront etc.). I would love small consecutive projects because they lead to bigger impact over time. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
October 3, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: As long as it is more of a project than "vision" I'm fine with it. We have enough "visions" for this city right now (Ballpark village, Lakefront, riverfront etc.). I would love small consecutive projects because they lead to bigger impact over time. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk As someone who writes "vision" documents for work, I hate vision documents. The more projects the better.
October 3, 20231 yr 10 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said: As long as it is more of a project than "vision" I'm fine with it. We have enough "visions" for this city right now (Ballpark village, Lakefront, riverfront etc.). I would love small consecutive projects because they lead to bigger impact over time. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk i took that to mean an actual project for now — and with plans for more. we’ll see!
October 3, 20231 yr Why don't we redirect this to the general Ohio City thread? But it will almost certainly need its own thread. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, ASPhotoman said: The renderings are so detailed that it literally blew this woman's mind....😂 Absolutely incredible. It’s the tree head lady that posed for the sculpture in Tremont.
October 5, 20231 yr You guyz r nutz "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, ASPhotoman said: The renderings are so detailed that it literally blew this woman's mind....😂 Nothing like a nice afternoon stroll along the river in some 4" heels....
October 5, 20231 yr Except that light is from the east (ie early morning). There's never going to be crowds down there to see the golden hour shown in the renderings. It'll likely be cloaked in shadow from hillside. Edited October 5, 20231 yr by grayfields
October 5, 20231 yr On 10/3/2023 at 2:37 PM, Dino said: I heard Lutheran is jealous of SHW and wants to construct a 2 story welcome center/pavilion on those lots. 🤣 I heard Lutheran is moving to Atlanta, Charlotte or Dallas.
October 6, 20231 yr Watching the presentation. Michelle Anderson "serious concern" about lack of parking for the park is SO frustrating. She has no place on this board.
October 6, 20231 yr 9 minutes ago, downtownjoe said: Watching the presentation. Michelle Anderson "serious concern" about lack of parking for the park is SO frustrating. She has no place on this board. To be fair, Ohio City does need a public parking garage. As I understand, this is a subject of focus for decision makers at the City. Edited October 6, 20231 yr by ASP1984
October 6, 20231 yr ^^My head starts to hurt so much whenever she starts to speak. Especially when the issue is supposed lack of parking. Edited October 6, 20231 yr by Htsguy
October 6, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, downtownjoe said: Watching the presentation. Michelle Anderson "serious concern" about lack of parking for the park is SO frustrating. She has no place on this board. I’d argue there’s plenty of parking across the river people can walk across or you know park in the West Bank ocean of parking lots. This should be the lowest concern though that’s crazy, this is one of the most walkable neighborhoods and we’re talking about parking for a park
October 6, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: To be fair, Ohio City does need a public parking garage. The city should have built a parking garage on the east West Side Market lot years ago. They still should do it and get a developer to put housing on top. Oh yeah...no $$$. Somebody figure it out. Edited October 6, 20231 yr by Htsguy
October 6, 20231 yr 4 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: To be fair, Ohio City does need a public parking garage. Maybe KJP will have an update for us later that maybe adds a garage to the Lutheran parking lots among other things hopefully Edited October 6, 20231 yr by BoomerangCleRes
October 6, 20231 yr 19 minutes ago, downtownjoe said: Watching the presentation. Michelle Anderson "serious concern" about lack of parking for the park is SO frustrating. She has no place on this board. She needs to go work for the Independence, OH Parking Haven board.
October 6, 20231 yr ^ Honestly more than half of this board really did not impress me with their questions or comments. It seems like almost none of them reviewed the material prior to the presentation. Hopefully they are completely ignored by the park designers. Most of their comments were just insert my pet idea here, no reference to the proposal, just have you considered completely unrelated idea x? Sigh... Going back to how fantastically well detailed that presentation is. I really want to highlight this corner of the proposal. I think it fits a great job showing how much right they've put in, and I have a few questions and comments of my own. First, I love the idea of trying to get the boardwalk under the two bridges! Is it practical or the most cost-effective thing to do? Maybe not, but I, like many people, like being able to walk uninterrupted by the water for as long as possible. These kind of silly, not exactly practical, pedestrian options are what make it a park with trails, not just a practical transportation link. I am curious about what exactly a restroom and entry pylon is though. I think the idea of getting small public restrooms is a good, though I'm admittedly concerned about how clean and well maintained this is going to be. Does anyone have examples of where this has been done before and what it might look like? How big it will be, etc? I also love the slide idea. Great use of the space. Adding the stairs to West Side Market is also genius and not getting enough attention. This kind of small connections make a huge difference. We need more of this, connect the nice areas together. Add some nice rope lighting or something and these stairs could be beautiful in and of themselves. Tldr: hopefully the planning commission is entirely ignored and we just get this plan.
October 6, 20231 yr Nothing says environmental restoration better than a parking lot right next to our region's most important watershed! EDIT: To add a comment to my sarcastic remark... I don't live in this area, but also don't see the need for more parking? In bigger cities, if you drive in from somewhere else you park where you can and figure out a way (walk, cab, bus, etc.) to get where you need to go. Edited October 6, 20231 yr by coneflower
October 6, 20231 yr Serious question. How do people get appointed to these Boards? Is there any kind of criteria i.e design or architectural expertise? Are they political appointees. Are they paid, full time positions or part time with a stipend?
October 6, 20231 yr 51 minutes ago, Ethan said: I am curious about what exactly a restroom and entry pylon is though. I think the idea of getting small public restrooms is a good, though I'm admittedly concerned about how clean and well maintained this is going to be. I mean, Hoopple's is right there. Just pop in and use their restrooms. Trust me, they are 1 million times better since they remodeled them, what, a decade ago now? Rumor has it you can still hear the ghost of Glen Schwartz chastising the patrons.
October 6, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, ASP1984 said: To be fair, Ohio City does need a public parking garage. As I understand, this is a subject of focus for decision makers at the City. Does the current WSM market lot ever get full? It’s empty like 75% of the time
October 6, 20231 yr On 9/29/2023 at 12:09 PM, Geowizical said: Big update!! See the latest designs for Cleveland’s Irishtown Bend Park, now headed for city review Oct. 6 https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/09/see-the-latest-designs-for-clevelands-irishtown-bend-park-now-headed-for-city-review-oct-6.html Hard to find anything to criticize or improve from this proposal. If I squint, there are only three things I would suggest: 1. Lightning - not just for safety reasons, but also for decorative purposes. For example, have lighted areas synced to the colors of Terminal Tower. 2. Artificial Water Features - there will be plenty of natural water features with the river so close, but fountains are ways to engage the visitors, help suppress unwanted sounds and wildlife interact with them. 3. Public Art - there needs to be dozens of public art opportunities in this park. Preferably interactive ones if possible. I also agree that public amphitheaters are rarely used and are an un creative way to fill up space. Edited October 6, 20231 yr by ragarcia
October 6, 20231 yr 16 minutes ago, ragarcia said: 1. Lightning - not just for safety reasons, but also for decorative purposes. For example, have lighted areas synced to the colors of Terminal Tower. Call me crazy, but man-made lightning in a public space sounds dangerous.
October 7, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, Ineffable_Matt said: Call me crazy, but man-made lightning in a public space sounds dangerous. We need to energize this space... really make it an electric place to be. It's shocking to me that this idea doesn't strike you. Personally, I get a charge out of it. OK, I'm sure I'm wearing out my welcome. I better bolt.
October 7, 20231 yr 17 hours ago, ragarcia said: Hard to find anything to criticize or improve from this proposal. If I squint, there are only three things I would suggest: 1. Lightning - not just for safety reasons, but also for decorative purposes. For example, have lighted areas synced to the colors of Terminal Tower. 2. Artificial Water Features - there will be plenty of natural water features with the river so close, but fountains are ways to engage the visitors, help suppress unwanted sounds and wildlife interact with them. 3. Public Art - there needs to be dozens of public art opportunities in this park. Preferably interactive ones if possible. I also agree that public amphitheaters are rarely used and are an un creative way to fill up space. @ragarcia, I agree with the first two of your “squint-eyed” suggestions, but wholeheartedly disagree with the third. Where else can a park goer sit down to take a break, people-watch and get a spectacularly unobstructed view of the skyline? These will be immensely more popular than the Solstice Steps in Lakewood, for locals and tourists alike.
October 8, 20231 yr On 10/7/2023 at 10:19 AM, ArtMasterCLE said: @ragarcia, I agree with the first two of your “squint-eyed” suggestions, but wholeheartedly disagree with the third. Where else can a park goer sit down to take a break, people-watch and get a spectacularly unobstructed view of the skyline? These will be immensely more popular than the Solstice Steps in Lakewood, for locals and tourists alike. You wholeheartedly disagree with local art? Nowhere in your mind you can find it possible for some art and some benches to coexist?
October 27, 20231 yr On 10/8/2023 at 7:19 PM, GREGinPARMA said: You wholeheartedly disagree with local art? Nowhere in your mind you can find it possible for some art and some benches to coexist? @GREGinPARMA, I must have taken leave of my senses on that post. Fact is, I wholeheartedly agree with each of @ragarciacoments. Sorry about that.
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