Posted October 4, 20213 yr It's so new it doesn't even show up in a Google search -- yet. You've heard of this development before. You probably didn't know how big it would be and WHAT it would be. And thanks again to @tykaps for sniffing it out.... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20213 yr "Carriage" makes me think it's somewhere along the Redline. Feels like we are about due to hear about the RTA TOD site Edited October 5, 20213 yr by PoshSteve
October 5, 20213 yr 50 minutes ago, 3231 said: Hmm..Voss? This has to be it. Just checked a Sanborn map from the 20s and part of the Voss complex is labeled "Rauch & Lang Carriage Company".
October 5, 20213 yr Author Ohio City Carriage Works mixed-use plan announced By Ken Prendergast / October 4, 2021 New details have emerged about a significant adaptive re-use of the vacant Voss Industries plant, 2168 W. 25th St., in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood that is proposed to see construction start in early 2022. As outlined in a real estate brokerage’s marketing piece, MRN Ltd.’s Carriage Works would deliver by the end of 2023 some very diverse uses that may overshadow the project’s 80-apartment residential component. The Carriage Works redevelopment is proposed to have 50,000 square feet of retail plus food and beverage space, 40,000 square feet of office/co-working space, a 15-key hotel and 300 parking spaces. Most of the apartments will range from 526 to 1,114 square feet. MORE https://neo-trans.blog/2021/10/04/ohio-city-carriage-works-mixed-use-plan-announced/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20213 yr Hopefully, they'll build on some of those surface lots over time. Otherwise, good to see this moving forward.
October 5, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, StapHanger said: This has to be it. Just checked a Sanborn map from the 20s and part of the Voss complex is labeled "Rauch & Lang Carriage Company". Here's some history of the Rauch & Lang Carriage Company buildings (VOSS INDUSTRY): http://www.historic-structures.com/oh/cleveland/rauch_lang_carriage.php
October 5, 20213 yr 40 minutes ago, KJP said: The Carriage Works redevelopment is proposed to have 50,000 square feet of retail plus food and beverage space, 40,000 square feet of office/co-working space, a 15-key hotel and 300 parking spaces. Most of the apartments will range from 526 to 1,114 square feet. @KJP - does "15-key hotel" mean a hotel with 15 rooms? If so, that's pretty small--would a hotel that small be economically viable in terms a front desk staff 24/7, housekeeping, etc. when the maximum revenue potential is only based on 15 rooms. I guess there are other 15-room hotels out there. Here's one of them: https://newsofstjohn.com/well-established-business-up-for-sale/.
October 5, 20213 yr Author Yes, very small. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20213 yr Wow, great scoop KJP! The plan says "Hotel check-in at speakeasy bar" so my guess is it's not going to be a full service hotel. It's great to see a concrete redevelopment proposal in the works. This project is so hilariously MRN it's like a parody: bulldozing some of the buildings to cram in more surface parking, heavy entertainment programming, buzzy concepts about 5 years past peak fad...
October 5, 20213 yr Author Thanks. BTW, I added the Sanborn map at the end of the article and a link to the history about the Rauch & Lang Carriage Co. Apparently, all the cool kids in the 1800s and early 1900s had Rauch & Lang carriages (horse and horseless) -- Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ireland, Mather and Hanna. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20213 yr 7 hours ago, surfohio said: It looks like they're tearing down the buildings that I like lol. I think you are missing what they are knocking down. I had to size up the pictures to understand. They are knocking down the short buildings. One at the front and then the 2 very narrow buildings with garage doors. This looks like a great re-use. It doesn’t seem to mention how many apartments would be going into this complex. Hopefully its at least 100-150 apartments. 50,000 sq ft of retail seems a bit delusional at this point but with phase 2 of Intro across the street in 2-3 years, that might make perfect sense. Edited October 5, 20213 yr by audidave
October 5, 20213 yr Author It has 80 apartments. It's near the top of the article. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 20213 yr I like this little street they are adding in the middle, with all the retail. What would you call something like that. A lane? A way? Oh, I see, it's a place.
October 5, 20213 yr 12 minutes ago, math said: I like this little street they are adding in the middle, with all the retail. What would you call something like that. A lane? A way? Oh, I see, it's a place. The city has a protocol on right of way types---when to call something a street vs avenue vs. bldv. vs. road vs place vs court, etc. I tried to find these rules online somewhere, but could not. In any event, a narrow right-of-way (narrower than a "street") that runs north and south (and not east and west) is a "place" in the city of cleveland.
October 5, 20213 yr 58 minutes ago, Pugu said: The city has a protocol on right of way types---when to call something a street vs avenue vs. bldv. vs. road vs place vs court, etc. I tried to find these rules online somewhere, but could not. In any event, a narrow right-of-way (narrower than a "street") that runs north and south (and not east and west) is a "place" in the city of cleveland. https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p128201coll0/id/388
October 5, 20213 yr very impressive and more than that, very thoughtful and creative. this kind of rehab and revamp is so much better and more impressive than new build imo. it's what will keep cleveland looking like cleveland instead of anywheresville, which so much generic new build looks like these days. not that there isn't a market for both styles of course.
October 5, 20213 yr 40 minutes ago, mrnyc said: very impressive and more than that, very thoughtful and creative. this kind of rehab and revamp is so much better and more impressive than new build imo. it's what will keep cleveland looking like cleveland instead of anywheresville, which so much generic new build looks like these days. not that there isn't a market for both styles of course. Agreed! That's my gripe with the Columbus/Nashville/Charlottes of the world. What a unique opportunity.
October 5, 20213 yr 1 hour ago, freefourur said: https://cplorg.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p128201coll0/id/388 @freefourur-- That's the exact document I was looking for -- thank you!
October 5, 20213 yr Sorry gang, I was making a laneway joke. I should have been more obvious that this was the nucleus of my quip.
October 5, 20213 yr "Laneway"? "Nucleus"? I don't get it. If you're going to tell jokes on here, you should make sure that they are more obvious. Stark, even.
October 5, 20213 yr Just now, X said: "Laneway"? "Nucleus"? I don't get it. If you're going to tell jokes on here, you should make sure that they are more obvious. Stark, even. AYYYYO!
October 6, 20213 yr Get that pesht out of here! *** This project looks fantastic. This and Intro should really help to stretch south the edge of walkable Ohio City. Currently Citizen Pie feels like the last walkable stop before the world ends.
October 8, 20213 yr On 10/5/2021 at 2:09 PM, YABO713 said: If this is anything like Ponce Market in Atlanta, this is a home run I was thinking the the EXACT same thing. That project ballooned into addition housing and retail.
October 8, 20213 yr 2 hours ago, CleveFan said: We lost Nucleus but we got @MyTwoSenseback - I’m feelin a little better! Awwww. You kids make me feel so special. I feel like a "B" list celebrity who just leaked their own sex tape. Who wants me on their podcast?
October 10, 20213 yr On 10/8/2021 at 5:30 PM, MyTwoSense said: Awwww. You kids make me feel so special. I feel like a "B" list celebrity who just leaked their own sex tape. Who wants me on their podcast? Don't make us regret clicking on the link 🤣
June 20, 20222 yr Any updates or rumblings about this project? According to Crain's, MRN just won a $724,838 brownfield grant from the state for cleanup work. I'm assuming this means Carriage Works is a GO? I love the scope of this project and all of continued development along W 25th. This project will fill a big gap and could create a really unique space.
June 20, 20222 yr Author 30 minutes ago, clandman1123 said: Any updates or rumblings about this project? According to Crain's, MRN just won a $724,838 brownfield grant from the state for cleanup work. I'm assuming this means Carriage Works is a GO? I love the scope of this project and all of continued development along W 25th. This project will fill a big gap and could create a really unique space. The clean-up funds help and this project is Ari Maron's biggest priority right now. He's focusing a lot of attention on it. More so than any other project he's involved in. Doesn't guarantee any outcome, however. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 20, 20222 yr Is this the project today's crain's article is referencing regarding for-sale condos by MRN? I didn't realize there would be some condos included in this project. That's excellent to hear if that's the case. Edited June 20, 20222 yr by RE Developer In Training
June 20, 20222 yr 5 minutes ago, RE Developer In Training said: Is this the project today's crain's article is referencing regarding for-sale condos by MRN? I didn't realize there would be some condos included in this project. That's excellent to hear if that's the case. No. Those condos are downtown in the Old National City Bank Building (where the Holiday Inn Express is).
June 20, 20222 yr Author 13 minutes ago, Htsguy said: No. Those condos are downtown in the Old National City Bank Building (where the Holiday Inn Express is). They've got another project in the works too -- working on that article right now. 😉 "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 28, 20231 yr Any update on this project? Awesome concept that really seems to have lost steam.
September 28, 20231 yr 42 minutes ago, clandman1123 said: Any update on this project? Awesome concept that really seems to have lost steam. The developers were just before city Council this past week in connection with a Tif from the city that was awarded.
September 29, 20231 yr Author I also just heard today Maron will probably be going to design review in the next month or so. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 29, 20231 yr 14 hours ago, KJP said: I also just heard today Maron will probably be going to design review in the next month or so. Let's goooooooo
September 3, 2024Sep 3 18 minutes ago, clandman1123 said: Seems like this project might be kaput...? Details?
September 3, 2024Sep 3 I have none. Just inquiring because there has been no movement in over two years.
September 3, 2024Sep 3 Author It's not kaput. Between high interest rates/construction costs and some personal matters of one of the principals, it has been difficult to advance this project at this time. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 23, 2024Dec 23 Author Historic Carriage Co. project in Ohio City advances By Ken Prendergast / December 23, 2024 A slew of construction permit applications were submitted to the Cleveland Building Department last week for the redevelopment of the former Voss Industries plant, 2168 W. 25th St., in Cleveland’s Ohio City neighborhood. This $63.4 million project along with a planned bus rapid transit corridor on West 25th promises to expand the vibrancy of the Market District farther south. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/12/23/historic-carriage-co-project-in-ohio-city-advances/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
December 23, 2024Dec 23 "50,000 square feet of anchor food/beverage, pickleball and indoor mini-golf use" Am I reading too much into this or does this seem way too specific to not have someone already lined up to lease this space?
December 27, 2024Dec 27 On 12/23/2024 at 3:39 PM, TDi said: "50,000 square feet of anchor food/beverage, pickleball and indoor mini-golf use" Am I reading too much into this or does this seem way too specific to not have someone already lined up to lease this space? Sounds like an anchor location for Chicken N Pickle (backed by Travis Kelce) https://www.novolleys.com/topgolf-of-pickleball-begins-expansion-beyond-midwest/
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