On 12/17/2021 at 7:25 PM, MyTwoSense said:

 

My sources tell me that this inauguration is an elected power block power move, to show that Brooklyn is the new seat of NYC Government.  They are already playing the game.

 

Can't hurt.   Brooklyn's a little grittier,  more down to earth, and more practical than Manhattan and after Wilhelm that's badly needed.

Wish we had elected someone like him instead of an ideas guy that as far as I know has never had to tell anyone with power of their own "no" and make it stick.   I hope he surprises me in that regard but I will be very surprised if that's the case and even more surprised if he tells it to the right people.

 

btw -- nyc mayor elect eric adams just cancelled his inauguration party at kings theater in brooklyn due to the 'rona.

Wu hollering at Bibb:

 

 

Mayor Wu is going to be a tremendous mayor and will make for a true national leader someday. Boston got very lucky with this future president.

 

edit: yep, I'm a big Elizabeth Warren mark.

 

 

 

 

Edited December 23, 20213 yr by TBideon

As expected, Bibb swearing-in is going virtual:

 

 

Cleveland to seek new planning director as Freddy Collier Jr. moves to Mayor Bibb’s office of quality control

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/01/cleveland-to-seek-new-planning-director-as-freddy-collier-jr-moves-to-mayor-bibbs-office-of-quality-control.html

Who’s plowing snow, collecting trash and handling other city business as Mayor Bibb settles into office? 

 

"Monday marked Justin Bibb’s first day as mayor of Cleveland, and though it will take some time to get his new administration fully up-and-running, routine city business still needs to be handled.

 

So who is overseeing snowplows, police, trash collection, building permits and other day-to-day city tasks, now that Bibb has been sworn-in and 16-year former Mayor Frank Jackson is officially out?

 

The answer, in many cases, hasn’t changed much from a few weeks ago: Numerous Jackson appointees remain at the helm across many city departments."

 

 https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/01/whos-plowing-snow-collecting-trash-and-handling-other-city-business-as-mayor-bibb-settles-into-office.html

1 hour ago, Luke_S said:

Cleveland to seek new planning director as Freddy Collier Jr. moves to Mayor Bibb’s office of quality control

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/01/cleveland-to-seek-new-planning-director-as-freddy-collier-jr-moves-to-mayor-bibbs-office-of-quality-control.html

 

Anyone from UO please apply to be the next director of city planning !!!

From Planning Dir to office of quality control is certainly a demotion. Sounds like a temporary place to put Collier so he can collect a paycheck while he finds his next real role. Why did Collier stick it out to the end? Maybe he thought Kelley would win or that Bibb would keep him? Or some shady dealings by Bibb? It doesn't really make sense to boot out Collier before his replacement is found unless you really want to publicly humiliate him and give him the middle finger and let him linger around in "quality control".

 

 

24 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

 

He's definitely better than a buddy of Bibb's or an inexperienced (in airports) campaign worker, but its certainly not the type of change that Bibb promised. But I don't think he really gets the importance of the airport to the city's future, so no surprises here....  

 

[Mods:  will you delete this post of mine? It seems that anything said about Bibb that is not glowing or rosy about him seems to be deleted. This--or any--forum is only meaningful if we can have real debate and see all sides of an issue or elected leader. People on here can say positive or negative things about Trump or other officials. But it seems such not tolerated when it comes to Bibb.  Also, my post above is about the airport and its leadership and in response to previous posts. I mention this as I was blocked for a few days last week for being accused of posting about Bibb "in the wrong forum."]

 

So this conversation can happen in the appropriate thread. 

 

It's not that you can't say anything bad about Bibb it's that criticisms should be fair and supported. 

 

"He's definitely better than a buddy of Bibb's or an inexperienced (in airports) campaign worker, but its certainly not the type of change that Bibb promised" 

 

So if he keeps people in place he's not bringing change, but if he replaces anyone they're his buddy or don't have experience themselves? This is an unreasonable standard. Who do you want him to appoint? 

 

17 hours ago, Pugu said:

Or some shady dealings by Bibb? 

 

He was sworn in like 3 days ago and you're already throwing around corruption allegations. Anything whatsoever to back this up? 

 

It was clear you never liked the guy, but give him a chance to prove you right or wrong. 

11 minutes ago, Luke_S said:

 

So this conversation can happen in the appropriate thread. 

 

It's not that you can't say anything bad about Bibb it's that criticisms should be fair and supported. 

 

"He's definitely better than a buddy of Bibb's or an inexperienced (in airports) campaign worker, but its certainly not the type of change that Bibb promised" 

 

So if he keeps people in place he's not bringing change, but if he replaces anyone they're his buddy or don't have experience themselves? This is an unreasonable standard. Who do you want him to appoint? 

 

 

He was sworn in like 3 days ago and you're already throwing around corruption allegations. Anything whatsoever to back this up? 

 

It was clear you never liked the guy, but give him a chance to prove you right or wrong. 

 

I am giving him a chance---a number of my other posts stated such, but they were deleted. I obviously want him to succeed for the sake of our city.  

 

But this analysis of yours is not correct:

 

I wrote:  "He's definitely better than a buddy of Bibb's or an inexperienced (in airports) campaign worker, but its certainly not the type of change that Bibb promised" 

 

You wrote:  "So if he keeps people in place he's not bringing change, but if he replaces anyone they're his buddy or don't have experience themselves? This is an unreasonable standard. Who do you want him to appoint?" 

 

I never said if he replaces a person, that new person is his buddy. I said Kennedy is better than a buddy of his (unless that buddy really is an airport person).

 

Bibb promised change. That means a new, qualified leaders in each area of expertise. A new, qualified Director for public health, economic development, airports, etc.  Keeping Kennedy---who was pretty good, but could have been way better for international and even some domestic routes and some things at the airport itself means no real change on the airport or air service front. No change for the better and Bibb promised change. My point was that Kennedy is certainly better than giving the job to someone who knows less about airports, like a typical campaign worker or buddy of his--unless that buddy is a real aviation person. But to live up to his promise, he should bring in a new airport director who is better than Kennedy who will bring about the change he talked about. I don't remember Bibb ever talking about Hopkins, so he didn't make promises about the airport specifically, but promised good changes for the city as a whole, and the airport plays an enormous role in how the city grows--so you can't have the best cleveland ever without making some changes at how things are at the airport.

 

I am giving him a chance and I want him to succeed. Decisions like this one though are tough to swallow and, as you said, we're only a few days into his administration. I also realize he's a young and inexperienced guy, so will likely be learning a lot along the way, so things should hopefully improve as he learns more and more.

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Pugu said:

I am giving him a chance and I want him to succeed. Decisions like this one though are tough to swallow and, as you said, we're only a few days into his administration. I also realize he's a young and inexperienced guy, so will likely be learning a lot along the way, so things should hopefully improve as he learns more and more.

 

I understand the need for change, but I give him a pass on this for now.  I would expect that finding a quality airport director is not something you can easily do between the election and inauguration.  Better to leave the "ok, but meh" guy in charge for now, push him to do better, and revisit performance six months to a year from now.  I expect that there are easier and more important positions to fill quickly.

On 1/3/2022 at 8:20 PM, Luke_S said:

Cleveland to seek new planning director as Freddy Collier Jr. moves to Mayor Bibb’s office of quality control

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/01/cleveland-to-seek-new-planning-director-as-freddy-collier-jr-moves-to-mayor-bibbs-office-of-quality-control.html

 

Seriously though, anyone on UO have any insight on who may replace Collier?  

 

Planning Director is a such a key position for this new administration. 

4 hours ago, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

Seriously though, anyone on UO have any insight on who may replace Collier?  

 

Planning Director is a such a key position for this new administration. 

Here's your answer haha

 

 

Edit: I lied, chair of PC. 

 

Edited January 5, 20223 yr by GISguy

Nice!  She’s lived/ worked in Boston and likes bike lanes.  I like her already. 

18 minutes ago, GISguy said:

Here's your answer haha

 

 

Chair of the planning commission not planning director

9 minutes ago, bumsquare said:

Chair of the planning commission not planning director

Oh wow whoops. That's what I get for not having coffee today. 

30 minutes ago, GISguy said:

Here's your answer haha

 

 

Bowen being replaced is a win. Having Fluker serve as vice is also a win. Them being 1/2 is good to see!

Reminder: Bibb inauguration will be live-streamed at 2pm

https://click.ngpvan.com/k/40417881/324252341/-1521423238?ref=newsfeed&nvep=ew0KICAiVGVuYW50VXJpIjogIm5ncHZhbjovL3Zhbi9OR1AvTkdQMTMvMS84NzU1NiIsDQogICJEaXN0cmlidXRpb25VbmlxdWVJZCI6ICIwODViZTA1MS0wODZmLWVjMTEtOTRmNi1jODk2NjUwZDkyM2MiLA0KICAiRW1haWxBZGRyZXNzIjogImJyaWFuc2Nocml2ZXJAZ21haWwuY29tIg0KfQ%3D%3D&hmac=bxvmQzPaj-x-WDDCfBRFGUmujki9-heuuNAvOqRxWXU=&emci=11925aa0-996e-ec11-94f6-c896650d923c&emdi=085be051-086f-ec11-94f6-c896650d923c&ceid=14718780

 

join the livestream of Mayor Bibb's Inaugural Address and Ceremonial Swearing In this Saturday, January 8th at 2:00PM. As you know, due to the increase in COVID-19 cases, we made the decision to make the event fully virtual. 

 

While we cannot be together in person, we hope that you do join us online.  We have put together a program that highlights what we all love about Cleveland and we are looking forward to sharing that with you.

Hoping for a healthy and safe new year for all of us.

 

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Reminder: Bibb inauguration will be live-streamed at 2pm

https://click.ngpvan.com/k/40417881/324252341/-1521423238?ref=newsfeed&nvep=ew0KICAiVGVuYW50VXJpIjogIm5ncHZhbjovL3Zhbi9OR1AvTkdQMTMvMS84NzU1NiIsDQogICJEaXN0cmlidXRpb25VbmlxdWVJZCI6ICIwODViZTA1MS0wODZmLWVjMTEtOTRmNi1jODk2NjUwZDkyM2MiLA0KICAiRW1haWxBZGRyZXNzIjogImJyaWFuc2Nocml2ZXJAZ21haWwuY29tIg0KfQ%3D%3D&hmac=bxvmQzPaj-x-WDDCfBRFGUmujki9-heuuNAvOqRxWXU=&emci=11925aa0-996e-ec11-94f6-c896650d923c&emdi=085be051-086f-ec11-94f6-c896650d923c&ceid=14718780

 

join the livestream of Mayor Bibb's Inaugural Address and Ceremonial Swearing In this Saturday, January 8th at 2:00PM. As you know, due to the increase in COVID-19 cases, we made the decision to make the event fully virtual. 

 

While we cannot be together in person, we hope that you do join us online.  We have put together a program that highlights what we all love about Cleveland and we are looking forward to sharing that with you.

Hoping for a healthy and safe new year for all of us.

 

He just gave a shout out to @misterjoshr for running a business in CLE.

4 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Reminder: Bibb inauguration will be live-streamed at 2pm

https://click.ngpvan.com/k/40417881/324252341/-1521423238?ref=newsfeed&nvep=ew0KICAiVGVuYW50VXJpIjogIm5ncHZhbjovL3Zhbi9OR1AvTkdQMTMvMS84NzU1NiIsDQogICJEaXN0cmlidXRpb25VbmlxdWVJZCI6ICIwODViZTA1MS0wODZmLWVjMTEtOTRmNi1jODk2NjUwZDkyM2MiLA0KICAiRW1haWxBZGRyZXNzIjogImJyaWFuc2Nocml2ZXJAZ21haWwuY29tIg0KfQ%3D%3D&hmac=bxvmQzPaj-x-WDDCfBRFGUmujki9-heuuNAvOqRxWXU=&emci=11925aa0-996e-ec11-94f6-c896650d923c&emdi=085be051-086f-ec11-94f6-c896650d923c&ceid=14718780

 

join the livestream of Mayor Bibb's Inaugural Address and Ceremonial Swearing In this Saturday, January 8th at 2:00PM. As you know, due to the increase in COVID-19 cases, we made the decision to make the event fully virtual. 

 

While we cannot be together in person, we hope that you do join us online.  We have put together a program that highlights what we all love about Cleveland and we are looking forward to sharing that with you.

Hoping for a healthy and safe new year for all of us.

 

 

What is this? Wasn't the inauguration on Jan 3 when he took office? 

 

26 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

What is this? Wasn't the inauguration on Jan 3 when he took office? 

 

There was a small swearing-in ceremony overnight on Jan 3. This was the large, formal, public (via livestream) inauguration. It was well done. They had it at Public Auditorium. It was intended to be a large gathering, but they pivoted to livestream for the public with the recent Covid surge. 

Wow! I just watched part of it---he did a fake oath of office! He was already sworn in on January 3rd. WTF? Does he really think no one remembers or that Clevelanders are too stupid to know any different? I get beat up on this board for saying anything less than glowing about Bibb---but this is not opinion. See the link posted by @Boomerang_Brianabove---he does a BS oath of office. What would compel him to do such? Ego? Cluelessness? To mock the system like he's superior? More than ever, I truly believe we are in for a rocky four years. Lying on the RTA ethics form, recently offering condolences to the wrong person while trying to look mayoral, and now taking the oath of office for his own ego or whatever when it serves no legal or official purpose?

Edited January 8, 20223 yr by Pugu

55 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Wow! I just watched part of it---he did a fake oath of office! He was already sworn in on January 3rd. WTF? Does he really think no one remembers or that Clevelanders are too stupid to know any different? I get beat up on this board for saying anything less than glowing about Bibb---but this is not opinion. See the link posted by @Boomerang_Brianabove---he does a BS oath of office. What would compel him to do such? Ego? Cluelessness? To mock the system like he's superior? More than ever, I truly believe we are in for a rocky four years. Lying on the RTA ethics form, recently offering condolences to the wrong person while trying to look mayoral, and now taking the oath of office for his own ego or whatever when it serves no legal or official purpose?

I may have a fuzzy memory, but I thought you told the board that you planned to move to North Carolina if Bibb was elected? 🙄

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

Wow! I just watched part of it---he did a fake oath of office! He was already sworn in on January 3rd. WTF? Does he really think no one remembers or that Clevelanders are too stupid to know any different? I get beat up on this board for saying anything less than glowing about Bibb---but this is not opinion. See the link posted by @Boomerang_Brianabove---he does a BS oath of office. What would compel him to do such? Ego? Cluelessness? To mock the system like he's superior? More than ever, I truly believe we are in for a rocky four years. Lying on the RTA ethics form, recently offering condolences to the wrong person while trying to look mayoral, and now taking the oath of office for his own ego or whatever when it serves no legal or official purpose?

 

What fake oath?  

 

The city charter states the mayor's term starts the first Monday in January after the election.   So his official swearing in was a small affair at midnight last Monday, and today's was a public ceremony.    This is not unusual.   

43 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

What fake oath?  

 

The city charter states the mayor's term starts the first Monday in January after the election.   So his official swearing in was a small affair at midnight last Monday, and today's was a public ceremony.    This is not unusual.   

 

"This is not unusual."  What other mayor has had TWO oaths of office for the same term?

5 hours ago, DO_Summers said:

I may have a fuzzy memory, but I thought you told the board that you planned to move to North Carolina if Bibb was elected? 🙄

 

And my fears about his mayoralty are starting to become real. I'll have my 30 years and can fully retire later this year (2022). So if things continue, I will absolutely leave. I will sell my house before its value drops too far.

 

Yes, this was probably about his ego to have two inaugurations for the same term, but it shows we have a toddler-like leader who needs to see how much people love him. I may have a fuzzy memory, but I think we just got rid of such a guy from the White House about a year ago who was like that. How did those four years work out? How many extra covid deaths and suffering has America had as a result?

Edited January 9, 20223 yr by Pugu

On 1/3/2006 at 7:22 PM, buildingcincinnati said:

From the 1/3/06 PD:

 

 

Jackson preaches theme of unity in first address

Cleveland must become 'one city,' Jackson says

Tuesday, January 03, 2006

Susan Vinella

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

During his campaign for Cleveland mayor, Frank Jackson said that if he didn't restore hope to the ailing city within 200 days of taking office, he would consider himself a failure.

 

In his inauguration speech Monday, Cleveland's 56th mayor began his effort to lift up a city that suffers from poverty, job losses and racial division.

 

More at

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1136280934145161.xml&coll=2

 

 

On 1/9/2006 at 1:04 AM, buildingcincinnati said:

From the 1/8/06 PD:

 

 

Jackson hosts inauguration ball true to his low-key demeanor

Sunday, January 08, 2006

Mark Naymik

Plain Dealer Politics Writer

 

Frank Jackson, Cleveland's 56th mayor, celebrated his inauguration Saturday night without the black-tie partisanship that typically marks such affairs in the stratified world of politics.

 

At his free inaugural ball, promoted by Jackson as a "come as you are" party, the city's power brokers, who wrote checks to him during the campaign from the comfort of their suburban homes, waited in line to greet the new mayor with people who waited in line to vote for him Nov. 8.

 

More at

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/1136712959173020.xml&coll=2

 

 

38 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

"This is not unusual."  What other mayor has had TWO oaths of office for the same term?

 

@Luke_Swhat are you saying, that Jackson took the oath of office at the inaugural ball? I sincerely doubt that he did. Nor did Biden or even Trump at their inaugural balls. Inaugural balls are normal. Taking a fake oath of office in public is not normal or appropriate.

32 minutes ago, Pugu said:

@Luke_Swhat are you saying, that Jackson took the oath of office at the inaugural ball? I sincerely doubt that he did. Nor did Biden or even Trump at their inaugural balls. Inaugural balls are normal. Taking a fake oath of office in public is not normal or appropriate.

You doubt Jackson did or you know Jackson didn't? You're jumping to conclusions and making quite a big deal out of something pretty inconsequential I  the grand scheme of things. 

 

The point is that Jackson was sworn in on the first Monday of January, like @Cleburgersaid, then held his inaugural ball the following Saturday, just as Bibb has. 

 

Also, Biden canceled all inaugural balls due to COVID so I guess you got me there...

50 minutes ago, Luke_S said:

You doubt Jackson did or you know Jackson didn't? You're jumping to conclusions and making quite a big deal out of something pretty inconsequential I  the grand scheme of things. 

 

The point is that Jackson was sworn in on the first Monday of January, like @Cleburgersaid, then held his inaugural ball the following Saturday, just as Bibb has. 

 

Also, Biden canceled all inaugural balls due to COVID so I guess you got me there...

 

Jackson was not insecure or clueless like Bibb. Its hard to find evidence of something that DIDN'T happen. (Prove to me you DIDN'T drive down X street on X day 12 or 15 years ago...). But this is not "something pretty inconsequential"  If he was truly sworn in on Jan 8 ---then was the Jan 3 swearing in fake? So we had no mayor from Jan 3 to Jan 8 and he was acting illegally? No--he WAS sworn in on January 3---whether he liked it or not, that's the law of the city. So he held a fake ceremony on January 8. Now, while some may consider that fraud, the harm caused was not personal loss of individuals, but it was damaging to the image of the city that the mayor needs two ceremonies for his ego. He could have had this celebration event today--no problem. But to re-enact like a civil-war battle his inauguration and pretend its real and legal is inappropriate at the minimum, maybe illegal at worst--will let @YABO713and @LlamaLawyerand any other lawyers on this forum weigh in, with Yabo hopefully putting aside his support of Bibb and examine only the legal issue.

While we're at it, can we get any psychologists that may be following along to weigh in?

11 minutes ago, X said:

While we're at it, can we get any psychologists that may be following along to weigh in?

 

I'm not sure where you stand on the events of Jan 6th -- it was a dangerous and illegal insurrection vs it was necessary protest to protect American Democracy (and the many 'interpretations' in between)--but in civil society, we have rules and procedures. Just because someone doesn't know the rules or understand them and acts inappropriately doesn't mean we should ignore them or give them an automatic pass. I realize that to call out his wrongdoing reflects badly on ourselves as, after all, we elected him and put him in office, so I understand the unwillingness of people to call him out on wrongful words or actions.

You do realize Obama's second inaugural took place on January 21, right @Pugu? He did a private oath on January 20, but delayed the inaugural address and public oath until January 21. It's not like we stopped having a president for 24 hours.

 

this is the dumbest controversy.

I do not know much about Bibb, but I think it is common knowledge that MANY processes have both official and ceremonial functions. Swearing in of officials on all levels, signing of legislation, announcement of award grant awards, etc etc (and this goes beyond government). 
 

If Bibb is so bad, he will give you much more legitimate controversies. You are undermining your legitimacy by trying to make this a big deal. 

8 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

I'm not sure where you stand on the events of Jan 6th -- it was a dangerous and illegal insurrection vs it was necessary protest to protect American Democracy (and the many 'interpretations' in between)--but in civil society, we have rules and procedures. Just because someone doesn't know the rules or understand them and acts inappropriately doesn't mean we should ignore them or give them an automatic pass. I realize that to call out his wrongdoing reflects badly on ourselves as, after all, we elected him and put him in office, so I understand the unwillingness of people to call him out on wrongful words or actions.

 

12 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

And my fears about his mayoralty are starting to become real. I'll have my 30 years and can fully retire later this year (2022). So if things continue, I will absolutely leave. I will sell my house before its value drops too far.

 

This is some Cleveland.com style postulation.   I do hope you don't make a rash decision based on something they may never happen.  

Crain's Cleveland:

 

Cleveland's college presidents look forward to working with Bibb administration

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/education/clevelands-college-presidents-look-forward-working-bibb-administration

10 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

But to re-enact like a civil-war battle his inauguration and pretend its real and legal is inappropriate at the minimum, maybe illegal at worst--will let @YABO713and @LlamaLawyerand any other lawyers on this forum weigh in, with Yabo hopefully putting aside his support of Bibb and examine only the legal issue.

As a matter of fact, 18 USC 8008135 states quite clearly that taking the same oath twice is a felony with the death penalty being the mandatory minimum.
 

Seriously though, this is not unusual. When the minister says, “I now pronounce you husband and wife” is he lying and being dishonest because the couple isn’t actually married until the marriage certificate gets signed later that day? Actually, my marriage certificate was signed before the ceremony, so what was the point of even having a wedding? At lots of graduations, the graduates walking get handed a fake piece of paper because their diploma is still being printed. Is that problematic?

10 hours ago, X said:

While we're at it, can we get any psychologists that may be following along to weigh in?

 

9 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

As a matter of fact, 18 USC 8008135 states quite clearly that taking the same oath twice is a felony with the death penalty being the mandatory minimum.

These are two of my all time favorite UO posts. 

Seriously, can we actually get discussion on Bibb instead of this over dramatic posts? I’m sick of reading this crap. This guy hasn’t brought up anything legitimate. You look like a fool. And no, it’s not because you’re not posting “overly growing” reviews. It’s because you’re arguments lack anything behind them.

1 hour ago, JB said:

Seriously, can we actually get discussion on Bibb instead of this over dramatic posts? I’m sick of reading this crap. This guy hasn’t brought up anything legitimate. You look like a fool. And no, it’s not because you’re not posting “overly growing” reviews. It’s because you’re arguments lack anything behind them.

 

If you mean on posts about meaningful things Bibb is or isn't doing, he hasn't done anything. But give the poor guy a break. He's only been in office for 7 days!

6 hours ago, bumsquare said:

 

 

41 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

If you mean on posts about meaningful things Bibb is or isn't doing, he hasn't done anything. But give the poor guy a break. He's only been in office for 7 days!

This is my last post on this matter to not clog the thread. But yeah, you’re going on ignore since all you do is derail threads. You’re arguments are awful.

1 hour ago, Pugu said:

Bibb is or isn't doing, he hasn't done anything. 

 

Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies... 
 

 

"So he held a fake ceremony on January 8. Now, while some may consider that fraud, the harm caused was not personal loss of individuals, but it was damaging to the image of the city that the mayor needs two ceremonies for his ego. He could have had this celebration event today--no problem. But to re-enact like a civil-war battle his inauguration and pretend its real and legal is inappropriate at the minimum, maybe illegal at worst".

 

Oh how will Cleveland ever survive this invented scandal.

20 hours ago, Pugu said:

 

Jackson was not insecure or clueless like Bibb. Its hard to find evidence of something that DIDN'T happen. (Prove to me you DIDN'T drive down X street on X day 12 or 15 years ago...). But this is not "something pretty inconsequential"  If he was truly sworn in on Jan 8 ---then was the Jan 3 swearing in fake? So we had no mayor from Jan 3 to Jan 8 and he was acting illegally? No--he WAS sworn in on January 3---whether he liked it or not, that's the law of the city. So he held a fake ceremony on January 8. Now, while some may consider that fraud, the harm caused was not personal loss of individuals, but it was damaging to the image of the city that the mayor needs two ceremonies for his ego. He could have had this celebration event today--no problem. But to re-enact like a civil-war battle his inauguration and pretend its real and legal is inappropriate at the minimum, maybe illegal at worst--will let @YABO713and @LlamaLawyerand any other lawyers on this forum weigh in, with Yabo hopefully putting aside his support of Bibb and examine only the legal issue.

 

I'm uncertain what you're mad about or think was wrong, so I wouldn't know what to research for you, honestly. 

 

It's a pretty weird thing to raise as a legal issue. 

43 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I'm uncertain what you're mad about or think was wrong, so I wouldn't know what to research for you, honestly. 

 

It's a pretty weird thing to raise as a legal issue. 

 

I'm not mad! I'm perplexed. Its probably not a legal issue, but it certainly just makes Cleveland look stupid---that we have a mayor that needs to be loved so bad he holds a fake swearing-in for himself after he was already sworn in. On more serious grounds, it begs the question, if this is how he thinks, what else is in store for us? Will he turn out to be Dennis the Sequel as some have called him (I never did)? I hope not.