They did plan to add canopies to the storefronts:

 

The Alto Partners website

 

There is a "Brochure" you can click on for lots of details and more pictures of the project.

 

Getting even closer!!

Good thing it's not a windy day. I'd feel very uncomfortable on one of those high-reaches fully extended like that.

 

While it is an improvement, the bar for improvement was very low.  I would have preferred to see this tore down and something more modern in its place.  Cleveland has way to many of these gray cast buildings and they make the city look very dreary and old.  Look at the impact the Luman makes in making the skyline look fresh.  I love how other cities such as DC add a modern aspect to renovation of older building (by using glass and extending vertically over the renovated older building).  That huge neon sign is looks extremely gaudy and the most eastern building simply look cheap!   

Edited January 24, 20214 yr by newyorker

55 minutes ago, newyorker said:

While it is an improvement, the bar for improvement was very low.  I would have preferred to see this tore down and something more modern in its place.  Cleveland has way to many of these gray cast buildings and they make the city look very dreary and old.  Look at the impact the Luman makes in making the skyline look fresh.  I love how other cities such as DC add a modern aspect to renovation of older building (by using glass and extending vertically over the renovated older building).  That huge neon sign is looks extremely gaudy and the most eastern building simply look cheap!   

Wow this is a terrible take. What makes the recent renaissance of downtown Cleveland special is all these beautiful old buildings being given new life. Modern stuff can be done on the stupid surface lots - hello City Club and Lumen. 
 

I do agree that the easternmost building is looking like a fail. 

3 hours ago, newyorker said:

While it is an improvement, the bar for improvement was very low.  I would have preferred to see this tore down and something more modern in its place.  Cleveland has way to many of these gray cast buildings and they make the city look very dreary and old.  Look at the impact the Luman makes in making the skyline look fresh.  I love how other cities such as DC add a modern aspect to renovation of older building (by using glass and extending vertically over the renovated older building).  That huge neon sign is looks extremely gaudy and the most eastern building simply look cheap!   

Disagree. There are plenty of parking lots to build new stuff on. The older buildings is what makes older cities so special. I hate going to sunbelt cities because they all look the same....you're just in Anywhere, USA.

Truly appreciate everyone opposing views.  That's what makes the forum great.  It clearly looks better, I don't see the final product as being impressive.   I'm not talking about all the work that went into the renovation (which I'm not qualified to talk about).  I'm just not impressed with the final product.  

While I applaud the restoration of this complex, I am disappointed with the eastern most facade and base treatments. Why the lack of any ornamentation?  When viewing the street level facades, without looking up, there is no reference to the different facades to break up the monotony.   

Edited January 24, 20214 yr by dave2017

3 hours ago, newyorker said:

Truly appreciate everyone opposing views.  That's what makes the forum great.  It clearly looks better, I don't see the final product as being impressive.   I'm not talking about all the work that went into the renovation (which I'm not qualified to talk about).  I'm just not impressed with the final product.  

I agree that the neon signage may be a bit tacky but to tear down this block would be a tragic mistake. The same reasoning was in part used for the proposal to tear down the playhouse square theaters...imagine that. Cleveland’s hasn’t been a city that can tear down buildings, especially historic ones, and count on any fill in development, even if development is planned. See also Hippodrome and Jacobs parcels as just 2 glaring example, both empty lots for 40 and 31 years respectively.

 

also, not happy with the 1st floor retail windows etc. and the eastern most bldg isn’t looking that great.  Interested in seeing what “retail” comes in here and on the rest of Euclid for that matter.

Edited January 24, 20214 yr by CLENYC

If we run out of parking lots downtown, then we can start talking about knocking down buildings to build new ones

16 hours ago, freefourur said:

If we run out of parking lots downtown, then we can start talking about knocking down buildings to build new ones

Expand downtown to past where Read's Jewelers advertises "We're on the edge of downtown!" at E 13th street. This city could be more spacious. We have a lot of dead former industrial areas that could be developed.

On 1/22/2021 at 10:00 AM, Frmr CLEder said:

^ There's still an opportunity to dress-up the storefronts with canopies, fixtures and accents to improve the quality of their appearance. Given the investment, I wouldn't write those storefronts off just yet.

It will be impossibly challenging to dress these plain-Jane fronts with some canopies and potted plants.  The storefront at the Schofield across the street is period-accurate as expected, given the amount of public support it also received. These fronts look flimsy & low-grade. Those canopies in the illustration would work just as well over the Mr. Hero restaurant on W 117th (no offense to Mr. Hero, I do love me some Romanburgers.) 

 

Flat and lifeless is what got approved?!  No texture, design excellence, or depth is built into the basic structure. None of those "look up at me" party lights on the roof will solve this design problem. Those lights will come and go over the years. What will be built into stone here is what the City of Cleveland has accepted for us.  Did an off-price shoe store from the 1990s really have a more welcoming appearance from the street than this?

Edited January 25, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy

Final touches on the penthouse private roof decks.

 🏢 Don't let the cat get outdoors of your unit. 🐈:::💨

Edited March 4, 20214 yr by ExPatClevGuy

4 hours ago, Mov2Ohio said:

Final touches on the penthouse private roof decks.

 

Aside from safety, any idea why these are set back like this? Is there an amenity space going between these and the roof edge or just stay like this? 

3 hours ago, GISguy said:

 

Aside from safety, any idea why these are set back like this? Is there an amenity space going between these and the roof edge or just stay like this? 

Because of historic tax credits you are not allowed to see anything non historic from the street. 

 

Same reason the Azure Rooftop Bar at The 9 has a glass "railing."

Edited March 5, 20214 yr by Mov2Ohio

Hopefully, some greenery would be considered historic -that might add  warmth and a nice contrast of color against the building. It could be nicely decorated particularly at the holidays and add a bit of privacy. 

8 minutes ago, CleveFan said:

Hopefully, some greenery would be considered historic -that might add  warmth and a nice contrast of color against the building. It could be nicely decorated particularly at the holidays and add a bit of privacy. 

It wouldn't be. There was no greenery there when the building was built.. it was just a roof. The decks themselves could be decorated, but not the bare roof. I dont think there would be any authority hunting them down if they put a plant or something in a pot there, but nothing permanent can be seen for the first 7 years.

Went into the office today, these look slick!

 

Not to double post, but I took a lunch stroll to the back of the building, here's a few from that. 

 

Also tapped on the molding at the top and it's plastic lol, had to get the UO out of my system after not working down here in so long! 

 

 

 

 

 

JHB News.  Does the complex include any of the buildings behind the Euclid Ave Buildings? https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/whats-going-on-with/new-euclid-grand-apartment-building-nears-completion-on-john-hartness-brown-complex-site

Are there any rumblings of any potential retail tenants for the building? This would be a prime spot for a national clothing retailer to open up. I know that definitely is a long shot though based on the pandemic. 

17 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Are there any rumblings of any potential retail tenants for the building? This would be a prime spot for a national clothing retailer to open up. I know that definitely is a long shot though based on the pandemic. 

 I talked to someone in the definite know and they said they have preliminary discussions with a few groups but nothing even solid at this time.

Hard to believe clothing will open in that spot when Geiger's couldn't even make it work across the street.

Timing matters.  Whoever would be opening shop in the JHB Building would be presumably be opening on the other side of the pandemic.  Also, Geiger's isn't every clothing store.  Maybe someone else would be better adapted to the Downtown market.

4 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Hard to believe clothing will open in that spot when Geiger's couldn't even make it work across the street.

Geigers was a very niche clothing store. As much as I wanted to support, they just didn't have anything that appealed to me and I clearly wasn't the only one that felt that way. As far as JHB I feel a cheaper much more mainstream clothing store such as an H&M would do well down here but i'm not sure how big these storefronts are either. 

I would think that a restaurant, dry cleaners, liquor, convenience or drug store (Non-CVS; isn't there a CVS on 9th near St. Clair?), at a minimum, would have the potential to be successful. Also, once the Centennial is remediated, more area residents should make that retail space more attractive.

Edited March 15, 20214 yr by Frmr CLEder

20 hours ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

Hard to believe clothing will open in that spot when Geiger's couldn't even make it work across the street.

Well, the idiotic destructive looting spree on May 30 was the final straw for Geiger’s.  Probably wasn’t doing great but this location was there for several years but until post- May 30 never heard anything about Geiger’s permanent closing.  
 

Everyone should be glad that the attempted arson fires on May 30 remained as attempts because the report for this idiocy was full of attempted arsons in commercial retail spaces up and down Euclid. Obviously Geiger’s was hit hard, one of the few downtown clothing retailers. Shame it’s gone.

46 minutes ago, CLENYC said:

Well, the idiotic destructive looting spree on May 30 was the final straw for Geiger’s.  Probably wasn’t doing great but this location was there for several years but until post- May 30 never heard anything about Geiger’s permanent closing.  
 

Everyone should be glad that the attempted arson fires on May 30 remained as attempts because the report for this idiocy was full of attempted arsons in commercial retail spaces up and down Euclid. Obviously Geiger’s was hit hard, one of the few downtown clothing retailers. Shame it’s gone.

I work around the corner and had a good three years of walking past that store prior to covid, nobody was ever in there. I'm sure they were looking for an exit plan long before the riots this just gave em an excuse. If they wanted to really be down there, businesses have insurance. 

 

It really didn't fit the aesthetic of downtown, shame to lose a clothing store but they were probably 5-10 years too early. Once there's variety of stores and enough foot traffic they'd prob fit back in. 

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

I work around the corner and had a good three years of walking past that store prior to covid, nobody was ever in there. I'm sure they were looking for an exit plan long before the riots this just gave em an excuse. If they wanted to really be down there, businesses have insurance. 

 

It really didn't fit the aesthetic of downtown, shame to lose a clothing store but they were probably 5-10 years too early. Once there's variety of stores and enough foot traffic they'd prob fit back in. 

That’s why I said May 30 was the last straw for Geiger’s as well as it probably wasn’t doing great.  At least it lasted longer than Dredgers Union 1 year run...10 years ago.

 

Hope this JHB development can fill with something other than a bank branch or cell phone store.  
 

 

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

I work around the corner and had a good three years of walking past that store prior to covid, nobody was ever in there. I'm sure they were looking for an exit plan long before the riots this just gave em an excuse. If they wanted to really be down there, businesses have insurance. 

 

It really didn't fit the aesthetic of downtown, shame to lose a clothing store but they were probably 5-10 years too early. Once there's variety of stores and enough foot traffic they'd prob fit back in. 

 

Just now, CLENYC said:

That’s why I said May 30 was the last straw for Geiger’s as well as it probably wasn’t doing great.  At least it lasted longer than Dredgers Union 1 year run...10 years ago.

 

Hope this JHB development can fill with something other than a bank branch or cell phone store.  

 

 

The problem with insurance is that if they have too many claims, the rates go up, or worse yet they get dropped by the insurer after the payout.  Higher rates, poor business in normal times and followed by no business at all for an extended period of time makes it financially impractical to keep it open.

Edited March 16, 20214 yr by LifeLongClevelander

Do a public records request for the amount of theft reports from the Geigers Address, if it wasnt a full on smash and grab which averaged more than once a year for them, their 5 finger discounted high price items certainly tally up for the insurance premiums. The “Thats why they have Insurance” comments are a level of deniability for ignorance at best

They're gone and they didn't fit the aesthetic of downtown at this point in time. I literally don't care enough to pull a records request, they were dead all the time there's no denying that. Hopefully they'll be back in the future.

 

Also this is the thread for JHB, not the retail thread. 

 

 

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

They're gone and they didn't fit the aesthetic of downtown at this point in time. I literally don't care enough to pull a records request, they were dead all the time there's no denying that. Hopefully they'll be back in the future.

 

Also this is the thread for JHB, not the retail thread. 

 

 

What is the aesthetic for JHB to fill these ground floor spaces?

Per @simplythis request, cross posting here in hopes that someone ( @mack34?) has additional recent photos of Euclid Grand

2 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

Thx for the update @mack34

 

 

10 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Can we post this in the euclid grand thread  and hopefully someone

can post some recent pictures

 

Not much has changed......I'll get a pick tomorrow.....thats if @urbanetics_ doesnt beat me to it!! lol

4 minutes ago, mack34 said:

Not much has changed......I'll get a pick tomorrow.....thats if @urbanetics_ doesnt beat me to it!! lol

This is the most recent one I have from a little while back, showing off the lighting. I also don’t think it’s changed much - but for what it’s worth, lately at night I’ve noticed a lot more lights on in the units, so hopefully that’s a good sign for leasing!

@mack34 with another great picture of the nearly completed sidewalk in front of Euclid Grand. Thank you!

 

 

Can someone get a most current daytime picture?  I am curious to see how if they were finally able to clean-up the far

western building?

It is great to see the sidewalk's brick restored.  I only wish Euclid Grand's street level facades had a richer sense of detail to match the upper floors architecture. Unfortunately the street level doesn't feel like a series of individual buildings but rather one long continuous front.

Walking through this side of the sidewalk for the first time in a long time I hope the storefronts fill out- otherwise it's still a dead zone (albeit it doesn't smell like mildew anymore haha) to pedestrians. Cafe with chairs, benches, planters, something.

 

 

Both sides of the street are dead along the sidewalks -- once you get west of Heinen's. Maybe retailers are waiting for Centennial and City Club to dump another 1,500 residents into the neighborhood? It's also worth looking see what the rent is for these spaces. Sometimes they're priced so high only chains can afford them. But chains are risk-averse and lack the hometime pride that a local merchant would have in trying to reactivate these sidewalks. Of course, the best thing to do in the short term is just some simple street furniture as @GISguy noted. 

Anyone know how leasing is doing at the JHB?

throwback --

 

 

 

Cleveland Public Library

The John Hartness Brown complex as it stood along Euclid Avenue around 1915.

The Statler Hotel is to the right in the picture and is now owned and operated by Millennia.

^ Love love this picture, especially the curve of the facade into that alleyway through to the erstwhile Chestnut Avenue, that eventually got filled in a few years later. 

https://www.clevescene.com/food-drink/downtown-cleveland-to-get-five-iron-golf-simulator-restaurant-and-bar-38969438 
looks like this will be the first tenant to open in the Euclid Grands? 

Not sure how serious and widespread it is, but a girl I follow on Instagram just posted about how then hallway outside her door and her entire apartment was wet from some sort of water leak.  

Five Iron Golf opens. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2023/07/five-iron-golf-with-15-simulators-opens-in-downtown-cleveland-photos.html

On 7/26/2023 at 11:38 AM, simplythis said:

Five Iron Golf opens. https://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/2023/07/five-iron-golf-with-15-simulators-opens-in-downtown-cleveland-photos.html

Oh, my... just passed by this giant Five Iron Golf space at 7:15 on a Friday - and I literally believe not a single customer was there. None. Workers were playing on rhe suimulators. They need to get the word out.