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I still can't get over how beautiful the windows are.

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  • mrclifton88
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    Whatever they are doing, it is working!   EDIT: I just went back to compare to my past photos and I did not realize just how MUCH this worked. What a change. I wonder what this brown stuff i

  • While it is an improvement, the bar for improvement was very low.  I would have preferred to see this tore down and something more modern in its place.  Cleveland has way to many of these gray cast bu

  • urbanetics_
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    Construction’s really coming along!!   I’m so excited for these to be completed. The Euclid Avenue corridor is being transformed from a row of neglected, abandoned buildings into vibrant, be

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Signs are up showing they are now leasing and a website is gone live...

 

https://euclidgrand.com

 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

They just can't clean the westernmost building. So does anyone know what is happening to this building?

I can't recall the circumstances now, but I'm pretty sure the development/construction team for 668 Euclid just ended up applying some sort of coating to the that facade as part of its restoration. I wonder if that's the eventual result here.   

12 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

I can't recall the circumstances now, but I'm pretty sure the development/construction team for 668 Euclid just ended up applying some sort of coating to the that facade as part of its restoration. I wonder if that's the eventual result here.   

I do remember that there was some sort of "paint" put on the terra cotta.  It might have been discussed in the 668 thread.

4 hours ago, KJP said:

Signs are up showing they are now leasing and a website is gone live...

 

https://euclidgrand.com

 

 

That is a very well done website.  A month or so ago, there was discussion about the Lumen's interior and I mentioned that I liked the outside of the building, but the lobby, shared spaces, etc were not to my taste.  Too much all over the place.

 

The Euclid Grand is much more to my taste.  The lobby and other interior spaces are elegant and (mid-century) modern with a certain timeless quality.  Really quite beautiful. 

Great website by the Euclid Grand. Those high ceilings rock - I would think they would be a major inducement. Very attractive and warm feeling in the design of the lobby and other common areas.  I’m thrilled to see these beautiful restorations and conversions to residential in the downtown district.  Also, that picture of the May From Pete Marek’s s twitter post - wow!  That building is a real beauty and the night lighting is gorgeous. Great to have such a gem on Public Square. 

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I liked the Lumen lobby, but I agree this lobby is pretty much perfect for my taste too. Everything in this building is looking top notch. I think this really sets a new bar for apartment conversions in the city, even over the May and Schofield

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

very nice, pro and modern website.

 

i really like that is has all the layouts and prices. 

 

a popup said they have video tours -- hopefully they add those to the website.

Facade work has begun on the easternmost building  

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I just walked by it.........Ugh.....It looks so cheap and plastic up close.  

What about it specifically looks cheap and plastic? 

That its very thin and shiny.   And the fact that it is plastic. 

1 hour ago, mack34 said:

That its very thin and shiny.   And the fact that it is plastic. 

Do you mean vinyl; as in vinyl siding?

16 hours ago, mack34 said:

I just walked by it.........Ugh.....It looks so cheap and plastic up close.  

 

Per Mack's comments yesterday, I strolled by this morning. I disagree. 

 

He's correct in that it's thin, but I don't think it looks cheap or even shiny. My impression was that the building will appear slightly matte, and I think that color looks nice with the black windows. 

 

Time will tell, though. 

I guess my question is, shiny or not, is the material a thin stone veneer, maybe some type of stone composite?  I have a hard time believing it is plastic but who knows.

And by the way, if the images on the website are to be believed, one of the classiest apartment lobbies downtown.

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Its not vinyl siding....I believe it is a Fiber reinforced composite.  They have used them on other parts of the exterior.  The Athlon across the street used a lot of Fiberglass materials also.  The thing I don't like is how thin they are.....Just makes it look cheap against the windows.  I've been wrong many times before, so hopefully as more goes up, it looks better!

 

 

I think I'll reserve judgement until the project's completion.  We had mentioned upthread that it even brings an old world European flavor to Euclid Avenue.

 

It still has the potential to make a very strong statement along that portion of Euclid.

Its still a fabulous renovation!

Euclid Grand just posted this photo on their Instagram showcasing a new design element - a massive dog park! 

 

A 3,000 sf on-site dog park will make for some spoiled doggos here.?It looks like the back of the building. What a great way to activate this tucked away / wasted space.

 

It’s also interesting that there seem to be open-air hallways or balconies for these rear units, something else I hadn’t heard about or seen yet!

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Interesting.  I was wondering how they were going to make the rear apartments marketable since they have no real views.  This is somewhat similar to Worthington Yards (which was and is a huge success) although this rendering does not appear as elaborate as WY.  Also interesting that it is the rear apartments with the out door spaces, which I believe are rare on the Euclid side except the top floor.  I guess tenants are being given the option of better views in the front of the building or out door spaces in the rear.  Wonder what I would choose.  I think I would have to see the units in person to really decide.

^^I've been in that alley and that rendering seems a little fallacious. I really don't think that alley is that wide and certainly not that sunny. It's a dead end service alley surrounded by buildings. It's a cool idea though.

 

Isn't this the entrance to the alley off 12th street? I think it gets wider further in, but still, idk, maybe I remember it wrong.

 

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4 hours ago, urbanetics_ said:

Euclid Grand just posted this photo on their Instagram showcasing a new design element - a massive dog park! 

 

A 3,000 sf on-site dog park will make for some spoiled doggos here.?It looks like the back of the building. What a great way to activate this tucked away / wasted space.

 

It’s also interesting that there seem to be open-air hallways or balconies for these rear units, something else I hadn’t heard about or seen yet!

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Thanks for sharing that @urbanetics_- maybe the space isn’t big but you gotta love a smart design response to a challenge. The rear apartments now have far more appeal than they would’ve had - a balcony is a really nice feature to have. And the doggy park will be a hit for sure! Great job Euclid Grand! 

It does widen a bit once you get past the first building at that E12th/alley intersection

It is hard to really judge from a rendering but this courtyard appears to be another example of high quality finishes incorporated into the building.  Very simple but tasteful.  

11 hours ago, w28th said:

It does widen a bit once you get past the first building at that E12th/alley intersection

 

As well as there is another entrance off Chester 

12 hours ago, CleveFan said:

Thanks for sharing that @urbanetics_- maybe the space isn’t big but you gotta love a smart design response to a challenge. The rear apartments now have far more appeal than they would’ve had - a balcony is a really nice feature to have. And the doggy park will be a hit for sure! Great job Euclid Grand! 

When I worked at the May Company project, that was basically their solution to the units on the eastern side of the building. The north & south side of the building were considered to have the prime views until you get high enough to clear the buildings on E. 4th, especially the north side since it faces Public Square. So pretty much all the units on the building's east side now have inset balconies. 

It certainly makes the units facing the alleyway behind E. 4th more interesting, whereas the ones on the 7th floor with views of the Beacon, Erieview, 9, etc, sell themselves. 

Nice photo 

 

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

5 minutes ago, KJP said:

Nice photo 

 

I will say that the new stones look bad in the photo when comparing it to the others.  Hopefully it looks different in person and/or there are added things happening to the stones.

I wouldn't say they look bad, from this point of view, just different and that's okay because they represent five seperate, but attached, buildings.

 

Mack34 did mention upthread that the last building used some kind of vinyl siding which has the appearance of stone. 

 I drove by, and the color of the easternmost "building" is farther "off-white" than that of the others. 

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The vinyl panels look bad because there's no texture or contrast. Just a flat beige wall. It looks pretty bad, and more so right next to the historic facades.

I guess I didn't pay very close attention on the original renders, but they do show that far right building being darker and less elaborate than the others. I looks just like it looked in the renders  to me. I don't really mind it though, kinda like the effect that the project looks like separate and distinct buildings.

They're really waiting to address the stubborn dirty facade of the far building it seems. Regardless of the opposite building's texture, it's nice to see it clad and with windows!

After walking by it today, It look much better than what it used to look like.  The composite panels they used have a slight texture, and look ok.  Still is such a disappointment compared to the rest of the buildings. 

I don't recall what happened. Were they forced to remove the original stone facade? Was the condition for that building that poor?

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28 minutes ago, infrafreak said:

 

I will take that foe brick facade 10x over what was there before, that old look was horrendous!  The new stuff might not match it's neighbors perfectly, but it is a huge upgrade from what it looked like previously!!!

The new surface can be upgraded later, I suppose. 

Future generations will judge us over it, and edit it as (I hope) is appropriate

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There’s been a good deal of grumbling regarding the facade of Euclid Grand. I’ll reserve judgement as I’m not able to see it in person like many on the forum. But I’ve been impressed by the projects marketing materials, website etc.  Those have been smart and very attractive.  I think the Grand may end up being one of the most successful of the big projects in terms of leasing results. One big reason - the price points and variety of apartments. There are 57 one bedroom apartments 

below $2000, many in the range of $1500 with good square footage and a variety of floor plans. To be in a building of this quality with the kind of amenities being offered - right in the middle of a happening downtown neighborhood - is a great opportunity for potential residents. It will be very interesting to see how fast those units go. Wishing this wonderful project great success with the leasing process. 

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Two developments... the Easternmost building now has a ground floor windows and a door!

 

The Westernmost building... looks like they may be trying a new method of cleaning?

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^Whatever that chemical/compound is they’re using on the westernmost building is, it’s working! Very labor-intensive though. I’ve just watched the guy apply it and it looks like he’s using a 1” paintbrush. 

 

Edit: BTW - the super clean looking tiles at the very left look more like replacement tiles rather than cleaned-up ones. Hopefully not the dreaded fiberglass.

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I wished the applied fiberglass panels on the furthest east facade were set forward of the windows. All the other buildings have the windows set back that gives the architecture a richer look.  Overall I think the work is going well.

 

Even though I initially had concerns about the faux stone treatment on the upper levels of the easternmost building, the real stone at ground level gives it a richer and more modern appearance compared to the others. While it's a single development, each building was originally designed to appear to be separate and they still do.

Overall, a great project. I love what they're doing. It does indeed restore some of the grandeur to Euclid Avenue.

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20 hours ago, mrclifton88 said:

Two developments... the Easternmost building now has a ground floor windows and a door!

 

The Westernmost building... looks like they may be trying a new method of cleaning?

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i actually kind of love that the gunk is hella stubborn.

 

not so easy to erase our long industrial heritage !!! 

1 hour ago, mrnyc said:

 

 

i actually kind of love that the gunk is hella stubborn.

 

not so easy to erase our long industrial heritage !!! 

It's a monument to what the inside of our forebearer's lungs looked like!

 

I think the easternmost building would look better if they had just given it a modern facade, given that they clearly didn't have the budget to do a nice faux-historic stone facade.  Either do it right, or drop the "homage" to the older facades entirely and make it be it's own thing.

We've got signage! And looks like ongoing attempts to clean the Westernmost facade.

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