January 17, 20187 yr I love preserving historic structures. But the space is going to need to be torn down. Think about the exorbitant rehab cost. If someone has the cash to come in there and do everything the right way, with the right tenants, don't you think they will want to start from scratch? Without seeing the space itself, I don't know if it can be adapted for residential space and still keep the historic status. If it really can, it will be quite a challenge. The JHB is a boxy set of buildings with a lot of interior space with only two windowed walls, the shortest wall fronting Euclid and another fronting an alley. Too bad we don't build flagship retail anymore, I could see a big-box retail tenant moving in, like what has been done in Chicago and D.C.
April 18, 20187 yr There was some fencing going up around the JHB buildings this morning I believe. A permit was pulled last month for a street obstruction and one in the past couple days for some other type of work. No idea what it was for. Might be something small, who knows.
April 18, 20187 yr If it means something is actually happening there so be it. With a possible path forward for 925 and construction underway at CAC this is the last piece of Euclid to be renovated!
April 19, 20187 yr I walk by there every day, but by my uneducated guess, I believe they're doing utility work underneath the sidewalk.
April 22, 20187 yr Never an indication of groundbreaking but there is a permit posted for JHB recently. Work Location 1001 EUCLID AVE CLEVELAND OH 44115 Owner: ALTO JHB ACQUISITION LLC 75 ERIEVIEW PLAZA CLEVELAND OH 441151507 Nature of Job Description.: Alteration Size of Building: 409720 Bldg Footprint (SqFt)
May 1, 20187 yr Some updates on that building permit: it now references “Euclid grand” which is the name of the proposed development. And they have paid more than 8,000 dollars in fees for plan processing and zoning. So, we may finally be looking at development for these buildings
May 1, 20187 yr ^^ That’s great news. FWIW, I was walking past there the other day and it sounded like some kind of work was going on inside. My hovercraft is full of eels
May 2, 20187 yr And the JHB redevelopment is on the BZA for May 14th. Looks like it’s moving Link for posterity: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2018/crr05-14-2018.pdf Calendar No. 18-89: 1001-1101 Euclid Ave. Alto JHB Acquisition, LLC., owner, proposes to convert existing office building to 226 apartments and approximately 18,540 square feet of ground floor retail space with 180 enclosed parking spaces and residential amenity areas in an E 5 General Retail Business District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 355.04 which states that in an “E” area district, the maximum gross floor area of a residential building cannot exceed one and one half times the lot area (1 ½); therefore the permitted maximum gross floor area is 79,044 square feet and 409,720 square feet are proposed. 2. Section 357.08(b)(2) which states that a rear yard equal to one half the height of the building is required and no rear yard is provided. 3. Section 357.09(b)(2)© interior side yards equal to one fourth the height of the building are required and no interior side yards are provided. (Filed April 18, 2018)
May 2, 20187 yr And the JHB redevelopment is on the BZA for May 14th. Looks like it’s moving Link for posterity: http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/bza/agenda/2018/crr05-14-2018.pdf Calendar No. 18-89: 1001-1101 Euclid Ave. Alto JHB Acquisition, LLC., owner, proposes to convert existing office building to 226 apartments and approximately 18,540 square feet of ground floor retail space with 180 enclosed parking spaces and residential amenity areas in an E 5 General Retail Business District. The owner appeals for relief from the strict application of the following sections of the Cleveland Codified Ordinances: 1. Section 355.04 which states that in an “E” area district, the maximum gross floor area of a residential building cannot exceed one and one half times the lot area (1 ½); therefore the permitted maximum gross floor area is 79,044 square feet and 409,720 square feet are proposed. 2. Section 357.08(b)(2) which states that a rear yard equal to one half the height of the building is required and no rear yard is provided. 3. Section 357.09(b)(2)© interior side yards equal to one fourth the height of the building are required and no interior side yards are provided. (Filed April 18, 2018) Yay! And that's a surprisingly large number of apartments! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20187 yr Those buildings avg about 200 ft deep, so I would imagine they'll have to bust in some atriums or figure out how to convert the middles of the buildings into a parking garage.
May 2, 20187 yr Hard to fathom how 226 apartments there could all have windows. Convert the top floors into a bunch of studio units and give them skylights if they don't have wall windows?
May 2, 20187 yr Great news if this is indeed moving forward. Have to imagine that this project would also inject some life into the 925 deal. Amazing to think of what this block could be in 5 years if JHB, 925, and the CAC project are all completed.
May 2, 20187 yr Those buildings avg about 200 ft deep, so I would imagine they'll have to bust in some atriums or figure out how to convert the middles of the buildings into a parking garage. That was the plan under previous proposals. If you search "atrium" in this thread, there are a lot of hits going back 10 years. Yeesh we've been doing this a long time.
May 2, 20187 yr Great news if this is indeed moving forward. Have to imagine that this project would also inject some life into the 925 deal. Amazing to think of what this block could be in 5 years if JHB, 925, and the CAC project are all completed. Doesn't look like life needs to be injected into 925 Euclid. Everything I'm hearing is that project is pretty close to moving forward. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 2, 20187 yr Dont forget, Halle building and even Statler getting a renovation, this stretch is going to come alive!
May 2, 20187 yr I forgot about Statler. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 7, 20187 yr Dont forget, Halle building and even Statler getting a renovation, this stretch is going to come alive! And don't forget May Company and The Beacon farther down Euclid. It's a lot of great space coming online, and it shows a lot of residential interest in our market. Hate to be a Debbie Downer, but I wish we could lure some new HQ to Cleveland to help out the office side of things.
May 8, 20187 yr Why lure one? Few are willing to relocate. Why not nurture local companies to grow and build bigger and better in their hometowns? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 29, 20187 yr Downtown/Flats Design Review Case Report THE EUCLID GRAND Back Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format) Project Information Downtown/Flats Case # DF 2018-035 Address: 1001-1101 Euclid Ave Company: Beegan Architecutal Design Architect: Beegan Architectal Design | TBD Description: The rehabilitation and restoration of an existing complex of buildings for mixed use. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=2823&CASE=DF%202018-035
May 29, 20187 yr Company: Beegan Architecutal Design Architect: Beegan Architectal Design | TBD Did they manage to spell 'Architectural' wrong twice or am I missing something?
May 29, 20187 yr Company: Beegan Architecutal Design Architect: Beegan Architectal Design | TBD Did they manage to spell 'Architectural' wrong twice or am I missing something? Uh oh, red flags already :)
May 30, 20187 yr The agenda for design review/CPC is posted. http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2018/06012018/index.php
May 30, 20187 yr ^ That's awesome. Does anyone know what kinda material they're using for the new facade of the 1101 Building?
May 30, 20187 yr Fingers crossed that this time it actually happens. I hope the planning commission immediately approves. I also am excited for The Statler exterior renovations. I do have a quick question regarding the images. What is with the titles on the presentation?
May 30, 20187 yr Fingers crossed that this time it actually happens. I hope the planning commission immediately approves. I also am excited for The Statler exterior renovations. I do have a quick question regarding the images. What is with the titles on the presentation? Guess I'm not the only one that accidentally changes the font to wingdings right before sending out an important memo.
May 31, 20187 yr Those buildings avg about 200 ft deep, so I would imagine they'll have to bust in some atriums or figure out how to convert the middles of the buildings into a parking garage. That was the plan under previous proposals. If you search "atrium" in this thread, there are a lot of hits going back 10 years. Yeesh we've been doing this a long time. Haha, just made this account to be active in Cleveland development. I've lurked through these forums for a while as an urban planning student. Totally agree! Can't believe that this thread goes back to 2006! Crazy that some projects take so long to materialize here. I live near this building and walk past it every day. Excited to see this building, but was also curious how to fit all of these apartments? I have two friends who just moved into Bridgeview into a two floor apartment with a two floor living room. One of the bedrooms has a glass wall on the upper half that overlooks the living room. The other bedroom doesn't have a window! There is a back area of the building that the 925 wraps around providing an interior courtyard area. Also, looking at google aerial it looks as if there's a narrower courtyard between the JHB the Statler above the Statler garage entrance. I'm not sure how many floors it is? 1021 Euclid is taller than the buildings on either side, which could be beneficial for windows? I know that natural light and views aren't super important to a lot of people who live Downtown. My apartment has a utility courtyard that the inner apartments surround. One of my coworkers at my internship lives in an interior apartment surrounding a utility courtyard. This is shown in subsequent renderings by Garfield and TPH.
May 31, 20187 yr Welcome imjustinjk. While projects do take longer here, any project will take a decade or more when it's mired in the legal and financial issues as this one has. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 31, 20187 yr KJP, yes that is true with the legal and financial issues. Its nice that its [hopefully] finally coming to head. Euclid Avenue is nearing completion with the May Co building, Athletic Club, Halle, JHB, and 925 being purchased by Millennia. With two new high rises coming up, Euclid feels like a real city street. I wonder if the lot between the City Club and 668 can be developed? The Union Club lot sucks too. I'm not sure which is worse, decaying buildings or flat surface lots.
May 31, 20187 yr Haha, just made this account to be active in Cleveland development. I've lurked through these forums for a while as an urban planning student. Totally agree! Can't believe that this thread goes back to 2006! Crazy that some projects take so long to materialize here. I live near this building and walk past it every day. Excited to see this building, but was also curious how to fit all of these apartments? I have two friends who just moved into Bridgeview into a two floor apartment with a two floor living room. One of the bedrooms has a glass wall on the upper half that overlooks the living room. The other bedroom doesn't have a window! There is a back area of the building that the 925 wraps around providing an interior courtyard area. Also, looking at google aerial it looks as if there's a narrower courtyard between the JHB the Statler above the Statler garage entrance. I'm not sure how many floors it is? 1021 Euclid is taller than the buildings on either side, which could be beneficial for windows? I know that natural light and views aren't super important to a lot of people who live Downtown. My apartment has a utility courtyard that the inner apartments surround. One of my coworkers at my internship lives in an interior apartment surrounding a utility courtyard. This is shown in subsequent renderings by Garfield and TPH. It's hard to tell in the low-res renderings, but they will cut a courtyard through the middle of the building to provide windows for interior apartments.
May 31, 20187 yr Haha, just made this account to be active in Cleveland development. I've lurked through these forums for a while as an urban planning student. Totally agree! Can't believe that this thread goes back to 2006! Crazy that some projects take so long to materialize here. I live near this building and walk past it every day. Excited to see this building, but was also curious how to fit all of these apartments? I have two friends who just moved into Bridgeview into a two floor apartment with a two floor living room. One of the bedrooms has a glass wall on the upper half that overlooks the living room. The other bedroom doesn't have a window! There is a back area of the building that the 925 wraps around providing an interior courtyard area. Also, looking at google aerial it looks as if there's a narrower courtyard between the JHB the Statler above the Statler garage entrance. I'm not sure how many floors it is? 1021 Euclid is taller than the buildings on either side, which could be beneficial for windows? I know that natural light and views aren't super important to a lot of people who live Downtown. My apartment has a utility courtyard that the inner apartments surround. One of my coworkers at my internship lives in an interior apartment surrounding a utility courtyard. This is shown in subsequent renderings by Garfield and TPH. It's hard to tell in the low-res renderings, but they will cut a courtyard through the middle of the building to provide windows for interior apartments. I figured that was what would happen. Will the courtyard be accessible or used for utilities? The one in my apartment complex isn't accessible by anyone, but has AC units and such.
June 23, 20186 yr Has anyone noticed if they are actively working on this building? At the Indians game this past week, I noticed the top of the building has been deconstructed and opened up to just the framing.
June 24, 20186 yr Has anyone noticed if they are actively working on this building? At the Indians game this past week, I noticed the top of the building has been deconstructed and opened up to just the framing. That’s the south side of the Cleveland Athletic Club under construction.
June 25, 20186 yr Here's a listing for a first-floor retail space of 16,500 sf at this development, posted on June 13.... http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1001-1101-Euclid-Ave-Cleveland-OH/12848184/ Most interesting to me is that this new listing shows an "AC by Marriott" hotel as part of the development. It is the only brand name on this facade, aside from the development's name "EG Euclid-Grand" and "Apartments by ALTO." "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20186 yr ^ That rendering also shows a more interesting new facade for the 1101 building (furthest to the right), as well as what appears to be the addition of two new stories on top of it.
June 25, 20186 yr Good eye!! "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 25, 20186 yr Interesting. The AC hotel is not on marriott's public list yet: http://achotels.marriott.com/locations
June 25, 20186 yr Looks great- and hope it can start soon as the condition of those buildings looks worse everyday. I just hope if they are putting in an AC they keep it fairly small... on top of that Hilton is supposed to put a Curio Hotel in 925 next door, tho now with the Millenia purchase I wonder if that changes? There is going to be a ton of new retail space coming online between this, Athletic Club, and 925. It is a concern to me if all of this can be filled? ...since a prime E. 9th/Euclid retail spot in the Schofield Hotel remains empty along with a couple other spots down E. 9th.
July 30, 20186 yr I walk past this every day. It’s such an eyesore. According to the Cleveland.com article posted in December, construction is supposed to begin this week.
July 30, 20186 yr Was in CLE last Thursday on business and stayed at Metropolitan at the 9 Hotel; interesting Brutalist design, love Azure bar. Friday morning i jogged to Ohio City past my alma mater and then returned across Detroit Superior bridge. Loved all the development along the way but was disappointed by the litter on the sidewalk in front of Terminal Tower and was really shocked by the appearance of JHB. It looks like a bombed out building from Baghdad. A Euclid Avenue-facing apartment at CAC or Halle is going to have an eyesore for a view until that place gets attention soon. Fingers crossed that the downtown housing market stays strong.
July 31, 20186 yr From the Cleveland Planning Commission Agenda for August 3: Ordinance No. 904-18(Ward 3/Councilmember McCormack): Authorizing the Director of Economic Development to enter into a Tax Increment Financing Agreement with Alto JHB Acquisition, LLC, and/or its designee, to support debt service related to the Euclid Grand Redevelopment Project and assist with the redevelopment of market rate apartments, commercial space, and parking for residents; to provide for payments to the Cleveland City School District; and to declare certain improvements to real property to be a public purpose.
July 31, 20186 yr so that's pretty much a green light...yea? One piece of the capital stack. Albeit a huge piece.
August 15, 20186 yr https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/index.ssf/2018/08/cleveland_city_council_oks_inc.html Cleveland City Council OKs incentives to help overhaul of downtown eyesore "Cleveland City Council has approved a tax increment financing package will help support a $78-million makeover for the long-empty John Hartness Brown complex on Euclid Avenue. The developer expects to have financing for the work lined up shortly and expects to break ground early in the fall, said David Ebersole, Cleveland's director of economic development."
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