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The restoration is looking great. I wish the downtown stretch of Euclid Avenue's street lamps were replaced with these historic ones that once lined the street.  The current ones are lackluster.

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Downtown Cleveland has areas of somewhat historic-looking lighting but yes, the Euclid Corridor light poles leave a Lot to be desired aesthetically.

19 hours ago, dave2017 said:

The restoration is looking great. I wish the downtown stretch of Euclid Avenue's street lamps were replaced with these historic ones that once lined the street.  The current ones are lackluster.

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While somewhat "avant garde," the Bond Department Store was very unique yet appropriate for it's time, from an historical perspective. Too bad it saw the wrecking ball for National City Center.

 

BTW, at least the new street lamps are no longer powder blue as indicated in the photos below.

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1 minute ago, Frmr CLEder said:

While pretty avanti garde, the Bonds Department Store was very unique. Too bad it saw the wrecking ball for National City Center.

To me, a lover of buildings from this time period, this is about the most beautiful building I've ever seen. A cryin' shame it's no longer. Wasn't aware of its existence until now and now I'm reading and seeing everything I can about it.

The building was stunning.  

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One of the few Mid Century Bldgs in downtown Cleveland.

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It wasn't looking too great in its last years, but it caused quite a sensation when new.  The original Yonge Street facade of Eaton Centre in Toronto reminded me a little of the Bond store,  on a much grander scale, of course,  but then they remodeled Eaton's exterior. 

2 hours ago, MyTwoSense said:

The building was stunning.  

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One of the few Mid Century Bldgs in downtown that remain. 

Unfortunately the Art Moderne gem was demolished in 1978.

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1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Unfortunately the Art Moderne gem was demolished in 1978.

Good Lawd, I really zoned on that post. ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️ I edited my original.

55 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

Good Lawd, I really zoned on that post. ??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️ I edited my original.

 

Old age strikes again....

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

Seniors say they are having an MTS moment.

2 minutes ago, X said:

Seniors say they are having an MTS moment.

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That would be a My 1-Cent moment. ?

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

  • 2 weeks later...

Looks like a 2-story penthouse being added across the rooftops..

 

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

On 10/29/2019 at 2:26 PM, mrclifton88 said:

 

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I didn’t remember it but looks to be pictured in this rendering. Though it looks like they are building it all the way to 925 in your picture. 

5 minutes ago, KJP said:

Looks like a 2-story being added across the rooftops..

 

 

 

It will also unify the height of the buildings. Give the project a more finished look

1 hour ago, mrclifton88 said:


I didn’t remember it but looks to be pictured in this rendering. Though it looks like they are building it all the way to 925 in your picture. 

Is that 2 stories or 1 story. In the rendering is the 6th floor a current floor or is it an add-on.

5 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Is that 2 stories or 1 story. In the rendering is the 6th floor a current floor or is it an add-on.

This might be for the atrium. They cut an atrium in then length of this to let light in. It’s a pretty deep building.

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Nevermind, this actually looks like it’s on the south side of the cut out.

On 11/22/2019 at 3:12 PM, Frmr CLEder said:

I love the way each building's new window inserts are slightly different.  They reflect the unique character of each building and their respective windows; a very impressive and extensive restoration.

Who would have thought that this eyesore would turn out to be such a beautiful building. 

6 hours ago, Growth Mindset said:

It will also unify the height of the buildings. Give the project a more finished look

A "unified" look in this case is really questionable, as I think the faces should look like separate buildings.  But signage can change that too.

 

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^You will not see the unified height from the street anyway.

Last row of windows going in

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I've been anxiously awaiting installation of the arched windows.  Yes Terdolph, it does  have a European character about it.  Absolutely gorgeous!

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I'd say the continuous facade, for the most part, could be associated with the Beaux-Arts movement.

Making progress on the Euclid Grand's windows

 

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"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

^^It seems like they still are having MAJOR PROBLEMS trying to clean the western most facade of THIS NEW GEM of a building!!

27 minutes ago, Larry1962 said:

^^It seems like they still are having MAJOR PROBLEMS trying to clean the western most facade of THIS NEW GEM of a building!!

 

It's not for a lack of trying. Not sure what that crap is on there.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

It's not for a lack of trying. Not sure what that crap is on there.

Probably gave up til warm weather comes back around in the spring. A lot of removal chemicals/acids don’t work well in cold weather. 

3 hours ago, marty15 said:

Probably gave up til warm weather comes back around in the spring. A lot of removal chemicals/acids don’t work well in cold weather. 

Trust me, the chemicals/acids didn't work in the warm weather either. I've watched them from my office on a daily basis, and barely anything has worked

Unfortunately that's what a century of particulates, hydrocarbons and their acidic derivatives will do to building facades. The summer between my freshman and sophomore years in college I worked for the Cleveland Division of Air Pollution Control.  While things were improving in the late 70s, air pollution from the steel mills in the flats industrial valley was a major problem.

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I recall houses in the 1970s in the neighborhood around East 49th and Fleet with once-white aluminum siding.  It took chutzpah but wasn't very smart....

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1 hour ago, lafont said:

I recall houses in the 1970s in the neighborhood around East 49th and Fleet with once-white aluminum siding.  It took chutzpah but wasn't very smart....


Use of ‘chutzpah’ = ?

 

Hopefully they can figure out something to make it sparkle as much as it’s friends. Otherwise, it’ll stick out like... a dirty building. 

Acid washes should do the trick, depending on stone composition, porosity and the pollutants but I'm concerned that the grime may have been absorbed into the stone and masonry in over a century of neglect. I'm not sure those facades have ever been cleaned. Restoration now may require a much more labor intensive and expensive restoration process to remove the grime without damaging the stone.

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I wouldn't assume the facades were neglected when that district was considered a luxury district of downtown - i.e. before 1960 or so.  Look how frequently National City Center is cleaned.

4 hours ago, Clevecane said:


Use of ‘chutzpah’ = ?

 

Hopefully they can figure out something to make it sparkle as much as it’s friends. Otherwise, it’ll stick out like... a dirty building. 

well they can always cover it with iron cladding like the one that was removed on the eastern building.

4 minutes ago, shack said:

well they can always cover it with iron cladding like the one that was removed on the eastern building.

Boo this man!

4 hours ago, lafont said:

I wouldn't assume the facades were neglected when that district was considered a luxury district of downtown - i.e. before 1960 or so.  Look how frequently National City Center is cleaned.

As illustrated upthread and in the link below, if the buildings were ever previously cleaned, it didn't last very long. The buildings started construction in 1911 and as illustrated, by 1929 during their heyday and in the midst of Cleveland's industrial boom, they were already black from the grit and grime. 

 

For those too young to remember, there was also a period into the 1970's when many homes in the Clark-Fulton and Broadway areas had an orange hue from the fumes eminating from the steel mills in the flats. It was real and as the photos reflect below, these once black buildings have been very nicely restored to their original stone color.

 

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38 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said:

As illustrated upthread and in the link below, if the buildings were ever previously cleaned, it didn't last very long. The buildings started construction in 1911 and as illustrated, by 1929 during their heyday and in the midst of Cleveland's industrial boom, they were already black from the grit and grime. 

 

For those too young to remember, there was also a period into the 1970's when many homes in the Clark-Fulton and Broadway areas had an orange hue from the fumes eminating from the steel mills in the flats. It was real and as the photos reflect below, these once black buildings have been very nicely restored to their original stone color.

 

s://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/815

Such a fascinating history to the block. It was a shame that The Stillman theatre was demolished for the Statler garage. And this is what was demolished for the Stillman Theatre.

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Beautiful buildings, and such a great loss!

1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

It was real and as the photos reflect below, these once black buildings have been very nicely restored to their original stone color.

 

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Especially as evidenced by this 2017 photo:


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1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

As illustrated upthread and in the link below, if the buildings were ever previously cleaned, it didn't last very long. The buildings started construction in 1911 and as illustrated, by 1929 during their heyday and in the midst of Cleveland's industrial boom, they were already black from the grit and grime. 

 

For those too young to remember, there was also a period into the 1970's when many homes in the Clark-Fulton and Broadway areas had an orange hue from the fumes eminating from the steel mills in the flats. It was real and as the photos reflect below, these once black buildings have been very nicely restored to their original stone color.

 

s://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/815

Actually mostly in the Tremont and Broadway areas from what I remember as a kid. Since those areas are closest to the steel mills in the flats.

 

But it also reminds that back in the 1960's traveling thru Pittsburgh it seem that city also was very smoky and dirty like a one of the DARK MOODY VERSIONS of the Batman movies.  And then slowly in the late 1970's and 1980's they turn into a very beautiful city!

Driving on I-71, all of the houses had an orange cast from the iron particulate dust that had fallen on them and oxidized (rusted). There weren't many complaints because it was people's livelihoods; and they were good paying jobs in those mills.

It was an eerie sight.

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It'll be awesome to see lights on in these windows! Going to poke around back one of these days to see how that's coming along.

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The back of the building from Reserve Square. You can't see much, but it underscores how central or in the middle JHB is to much of downtown. 

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You can see more signs of construction from this picture taken this past May. 

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Those are wonderfully cool, dense photos.

"In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck

When do you think they'll ever restore those tall rightmost buildings? They look really dirty and run down.

That's 925 Euclid, The Centennial.

4 minutes ago, tastybunns said:

When do you think they'll ever restore those tall rightmost buildings? They look really dirty and run down.

That is just one building.  It is the side and rear of the Huntington Building.  As I am sure you are aware its total renovation is happening soon and will be re-named Centennial.

12 minutes ago, sizzlinbeef said:

That's 925 Euclid, The Centennial.

The first time you see that building from the back, it looks like it could be an entirely different building—looking forward to the renovation partially because of the probable facelift there!

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20 minutes ago, Boxtruffles said:

The first time you see that building from the back, it looks like it could be an entirely different building—looking forward to the renovation partially because of the probable facelift there!

Can't imagine much will be done to either of those facades as part of the renovation other than a power washing.  Tuck pointing might also be needed but I doubt that will change much visually.

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