June 22, 20231 yr Perhaps movement will happen once the renovations to Progressive Field are completed in a couple of years?
June 22, 20231 yr Author 4 minutes ago, dski44 said: Perhaps movement will happen once the renovations to Progressive Field are completed in a couple of years? Or before, if things come together as they appear to be. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 22, 20231 yr 26 minutes ago, KJP said: Or before, if things come together as they appear to be. Hmmm. This is a cryptic message. So something could be happening on the side.
June 22, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, KJP said: Or before, if things come together as they appear to be. Such a tease..
September 7, 20231 yr Author Fencing has gone up around the decrepit parking garage at 611 Huron, which could come down starting as early as today. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 7, 20231 yr 33 minutes ago, KJP said: Fencing has gone up around the decrepit parking garage at 611 Huron, which could come down starting as early as today. What will be going up in that spot?
September 7, 20231 yr 3 minutes ago, GREGinPARMA said: What will be going up in that spot? Surface parking
September 7, 20231 yr On 6/22/2023 at 2:15 PM, simplythis said: Hmmm. This is a cryptic message. So something could be happening on the side. Given the size of the Construction, Engineering and Architecture industry in NE Ohio (not very big), it's hard for many viable projects to have discussions "on the side". Hence the reason we're left disappointed many times when projects get shelved. We know too much!😄
September 9, 20231 yr On 9/7/2023 at 11:10 AM, Jenny said: Hence the reason we're left disappointed many times when projects get shelved become surface parking lots. Fixed it for ya! ...Is it just me or do property owners/developers seem to rush to the surface parking lot "solution"? I guess surface parking is fast and easy money...☹️
September 9, 20231 yr Dan Gilbert is not in the surface parking lot business. Something will happen here and I suspect it will be relatively soon. Just look at his history here and in Detroit.
September 9, 20231 yr 8 hours ago, DHubb said: Fixed it for ya! ...Is it just me or do property owners/developers seem to rush to the surface parking lot "solution"? I guess surface parking is fast and easy money...☹️ It’s easy money and much cheaper property tax bill if there’s no structure on it.
September 9, 20231 yr I agree with @sooner. Gilbert did not buy this property to have it a parking lot. But makes sense to make some money off of it while whatever plan he has is still on the drawing board and in planning phase.
September 9, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, sooner said: Dan Gilbert is not in the surface parking lot business. Something will happen here and I suspect it will be relatively soon. Just look at his history here and in Detroit. Let's hope, but it seems like the Tower City/Riverview project is a higher priority for Gilbert/Bedrock.
September 9, 20231 yr If Bedrock lands the right JV partner for the former Nucleus lot, they won't hesitate to move quickly. They don't plan on developing it just themselves
September 9, 20231 yr ^ So for arguments sake let's assume he gets a viable partner and builds. Is it a foregone conclusion that whatever is built is residential?
September 9, 20231 yr ^I would guess there’s still the chance that it’s mixed use, depending on how much of an appetite there is for new office building space after Cleveland Cliffs takes over US Steel (if it happens). I don’t think it’s a forgone conclusion that they stay in their current space. I’ve got to go through the previous pages to see the potential Gateway project and the former NuCLEus site mixed in with SW and the impact on the skyline. Fill in some (or all in my Sim City mind) of the remaining surface parking lots with low to mid rise buildings and that’s a nice looking, dense, Downtown Cleveland.
September 9, 20231 yr I'd be shocked if the site isn't some sort of mixed used development, from what i'm hearing
September 11, 20231 yr This is a double win as the Harry Buffalo will occupy a different (hopefully, currently empty) location: ”Bobby George and the Cleveland Browns will join forces to open a new sportsbook on East Fourth Street in downtown Cleveland, overcoming what seemed like long odds for a sports betting lounge at Harry Buffalo’s current location.” https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/09/cleveland-browns-bobby-george-announce-plans-for-new-sportsbook-downtown-on-east-fourth-street.html?fbclid=IwAR2244G_XZjMzHbFBOzvUND2sl6EIHcISkCOfsE9ytp0iiYuHcySq1hbKPw_aem_AXmjWsBcgmBi6117qZ4ivb3Tad6FbILDasEHXeTE7sq2l1D_8S1061frNE4BQY-EN-Y Edited September 11, 20231 yr by ragarcia
September 11, 20231 yr 13 minutes ago, ragarcia said: This is a double win as the Harry Buffalo will occupy a different (hopefully, currently empty) location: ”Bobby George and the Cleveland Browns will join forces to open a new sportsbook on East Fourth Street in downtown Cleveland, overcoming what seemed like long odds for a sports betting lounge at Harry Buffalo’s current location.” https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/09/cleveland-browns-bobby-george-announce-plans-for-new-sportsbook-downtown-on-east-fourth-street.html?fbclid=IwAR2244G_XZjMzHbFBOzvUND2sl6EIHcISkCOfsE9ytp0iiYuHcySq1hbKPw_aem_AXmjWsBcgmBi6117qZ4ivb3Tad6FbILDasEHXeTE7sq2l1D_8S1061frNE4BQY-EN-Y I don't think Harry Buffalo is moving spots. I think it will be merged with the sportsbook. "George said the current Harry Buffalo location will go through a complete remodel. He said the exact plans are still being finalized, but that the new restaurant will have rooftop seating." Going to be interesting having people sit/eat/drink beneath the future giant electronic billboard... Edited September 11, 20231 yr by downtownjoe Whipjacka is a better reader than I but my last comment stands.
September 11, 20231 yr "George said the sportsbook will be part of a new entertainment concept and will open within a year. The Harry Buffalo will move to a new space downtown, he said"
September 11, 20231 yr Like most everyone on here l'm not a fan of the family George and l don't gamble either but if the new sports book can inject more life onto 4th street l'm all for it. Throw in some neon lights too while you're at too Mr. George. Side note: Hate being placed in a situation where in order to get some cool development we have to root for schmuck's. Even more than the sports book l want to see his plans for River Rd. get done. Would add so much to the Flats. Sigh.
September 11, 20231 yr My only experience of sports books has been those in Las Vegas and the one in the Jack casino, which was kinda underwhelming in comparison. However, we found a whole new level of underwhelming when we took a look in the one at Progressive Field the other week. I just didn’t get it. A few terminals to make bets (presumably) and nowhere at all to watch, drink, eat. All in a narrow corridor of a space that is smaller than the walk-in closet I had in my last house. My hovercraft is full of eels
September 11, 20231 yr 18 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: ^ I wonder if that will be addressed during Progressive Field renovations? I'm pretty sure they're making the terrace club open-air and turning it into sports betting.
September 12, 20231 yr 15 hours ago, roman totale XVII said: My only experience of sports books has been those in Las Vegas and the one in the Jack casino, which was kinda underwhelming in comparison. However, we found a whole new level of underwhelming when we took a look in the one at Progressive Field the other week. I just didn’t get it. A few terminals to make bets (presumably) and nowhere at all to watch, drink, eat. All in a narrow corridor of a space that is smaller than the walk-in closet I had in my last house. I'm not sure I understand the importance or even the draw of a physical betting presence. Doesn't most everyone just tap buttons on their phone to lose on sports betting?
September 12, 20231 yr 17 minutes ago, sizzlinbeef said: I'm not sure I understand the importance or even the draw of a physical betting presence. Doesn't most everyone just tap buttons on their phone to lose on sports betting? The draw is it would be a place to watch all your bets I would think. Hard to go to a bar and them have all the MLB games on so if you're betting on non-local games you have nowhere to watch it. So yeah if the place doesn't have a bunch of TVs/food service/furniture to sit at/etc then yeah there's no reason because if I wanted to place bets and not watch I could do that at home or at any bar from my phone.
September 24, 20231 yr Author Guardians to expand real estate holdings By Ken Prendergast / September 24, 2023 The Cleveland Guardians Major League Baseball (MLB) team is exercising an option on acquiring the second of two properties that were offered to it when the team extended its lease on Jan. 1, 2022 to play at Progressive Field for at least another 15 years, a city source said. The property it will acquire this time is the huge Gateway East Garage, 650 Huron Rd. East in downtown Cleveland for $25 million and could set the stage for a full or partial demolition of the 29-year-old garage for a “ballpark village” redevelopment. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/09/24/guardians-to-expand-real-estate-holdings/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
September 26, 20231 yr On 9/24/2023 at 1:08 PM, KJP said: Guardians to expand real estate holdings By Ken Prendergast / September 24, 2023 The Cleveland Guardians Major League Baseball (MLB) team is exercising an option on acquiring the second of two properties that were offered to it when the team extended its lease on Jan. 1, 2022 to play at Progressive Field for at least another 15 years, a city source said. The property it will acquire this time is the huge Gateway East Garage, 650 Huron Rd. East in downtown Cleveland for $25 million and could set the stage for a full or partial demolition of the 29-year-old garage for a “ballpark village” redevelopment. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/09/24/guardians-to-expand-real-estate-holdings/ I kind of LOL’d that final sentence containing elegant green space in quotes. I’m pretty happy I was too young to be aware of Mayor White’s crass decisions.
September 27, 20231 yr On 9/24/2023 at 1:08 PM, KJP said: Guardians to expand real estate holdings By Ken Prendergast / September 24, 2023 The Cleveland Guardians Major League Baseball (MLB) team is exercising an option on acquiring the second of two properties that were offered to it when the team extended its lease on Jan. 1, 2022 to play at Progressive Field for at least another 15 years, a city source said. The property it will acquire this time is the huge Gateway East Garage, 650 Huron Rd. East in downtown Cleveland for $25 million and could set the stage for a full or partial demolition of the 29-year-old garage for a “ballpark village” redevelopment. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/09/24/guardians-to-expand-real-estate-holdings/ This street would be the perfect spot as a pedestrian and bike only street.
September 27, 20231 yr Hearing that a gigantic parking garage in the heart of downtown is losing money is music to my ears. Please bulldoze this thing, asap. Its footprint is huge and could open up all kinds of development oportunities on Bolivar, Huron, and even East 9th. Having the RMFH just around the corner makes for the potential of a 365 day per year neighborhood. East 4th street needs a little (big?) brother downtown. Thus far, Blitzer's minority ownership of the Guardians has been a smashing success. The club's per-game attendance has shot up over 6k+ fans thanks to innovative ticketing strategies like the $49 monthly pass and other aggressive promotions. This is pure speculation on my part, but after years of the Dolans driving opaque "dynamic ticket pricing" strategies designed to maximize overall revnue viz a viz just putting butts in the seats, I'm guessing Blitzer is behind this major change of direction. The full houses look great on television and it has finally puts to rest the notion that "no one likes to go to baseball games in Cleveland." That was only ever true, if at all, at a certain price point. There's nowehere to go but up for a talented young team (okay, they stubbed their toe a bit this year) with a dramatically upgraded park by Opening Day 2025. Between Gilbert and Blitzer and their respective experiences in sports ownership and real estate development, I think we may finally see a scenario where the full vision of Gateway is realized, even if it's a couple decades late. We may even finally (fingers crossed) get that huge megaproject on Prospect across the street from East 4th! (Stark, eat your heart out, lol.) Edited September 27, 20231 yr by Down_with_Ctown
September 27, 20231 yr I’m happy that attendance is up and I wouldn’t be surprised if Blitzer helped with the promotions. I think the trends are a lot more complex though. High expectations going into the season, good weather, and new rules and pacing all played a part as well. That being said this was a terribly disappointing season and, as someone who always attends a lot of games, I’d say the gameday experience has stagnated in the last few years. I’m really skeptical of a ballpark village. I don’t feel we need another entertainment district between E4th and the Gateway District. I can’t see a large amount of fans coming down on non game-days. Hopefully a good number of residential units and possibly a hotel could be viable. I’m afraid activating the street would be challenging though.
October 3, 20231 yr On 9/11/2023 at 5:28 PM, roman totale XVII said: My only experience of sports books has been those in Las Vegas and the one in the Jack casino, which was kinda underwhelming in comparison. However, we found a whole new level of underwhelming when we took a look in the one at Progressive Field the other week. I just didn’t get it. A few terminals to make bets (presumably) and nowhere at all to watch, drink, eat. All in a narrow corridor of a space that is smaller than the walk-in closet I had in my last house. https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-recreation/cleveland-guardians-fanatics-sportsbook-struggles-august?utm_source=don-t-miss&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20231002&utm_content=article1-headline The Guardians’ Fanatics sportsbook opened with a thud, reporting just $6,143 in total gross receipts and $3,491 in taxable revenue between its Aug. 18 opening and the end of the month. The Guardians' had six home dates over that stretch. My hovercraft is full of eels
October 3, 20231 yr 5 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: https://www.crainscleveland.com/sports-recreation/cleveland-guardians-fanatics-sportsbook-struggles-august?utm_source=don-t-miss&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20231002&utm_content=article1-headline The Guardians’ Fanatics sportsbook opened with a thud, reporting just $6,143 in total gross receipts and $3,491 in taxable revenue between its Aug. 18 opening and the end of the month. The Guardians' had six home dates over that stretch. Can’t see they did a good job marketing it also the location was pretty poor. The Cavs did a far better job and have much better finished product that’s not just a betting window not to mention hours outside of games
October 3, 20231 yr Also, can't everyone just bet from their phones? Seems like technology leapfrogs. Sort of like how many developing nations skipped land lines and went straight to 5G and wifi?
October 3, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, originaljbw said: Also, can't everyone just bet from their phones? Seems like technology leapfrogs. Sort of like how many developing nations skipped land lines and went straight to 5G and wifi? Right. This is no different than if Cleveland created an entertainment district based on crypto trading. Desperate cities chase stuff like this and I personally root for the day when our city matures beyond gimmicks like sports betting. This isn’t something to be excited about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited October 3, 20231 yr by ASP1984
October 3, 20231 yr 7 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: Right. This is no different than if Cleveland created an entertainment district based on crypto trading. Desperate cities chase stuff like this and personally i root for the day when our city matures beyond gimmicks like sports betting. This isn’t something to be excited about. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk All cities are doing these gimmicks as you call them
October 3, 20231 yr 36 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said: All cities are doing these gimmicks as you call them Everyone was doing crypto at one point too.
October 3, 20231 yr If the Guardians Sports betting location followed the rumored path of the Browns and The George Family at Harry Buffalo it would be a lot more successful imo. Progressive field, while a great stadium is built very insular and not designed for outside pedestrian traffic to interact with it. Combine that with the location not being somewhere people think to go to outside of games and concerts it is no surprise that the results are lackluster. That's where the Ballpark villages come into play, it creates a vibrant neighborhood that flows into other neighborhoods and allows other neighborhoods to do the same into it. People will want to hang out before and after games or just go to watch games. Since people are already there they'd be more willing to utilize the sports betting due to convenience. Ballpark village will also be important to other districts that also struggle to attract and/or maintain foot traffic. If it is designed well and creates a seamless flow from 4th street into this area then that could be the blueprint for other areas like PHS to want to create a similar seamless flow. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
October 3, 20231 yr 2 hours ago, MyPhoneDead said: If the Guardians Sports betting location followed the rumored path of the Browns and The George Family at Harry Buffalo it would be a lot more successful imo. Progressive field, while a great stadium is built very insular and not designed for outside pedestrian traffic to interact with it. Combine that with the location not being somewhere people think to go to outside of games and concerts it is no surprise that the results are lackluster. That's where the Ballpark villages come into play, it creates a vibrant neighborhood that flows into other neighborhoods and allows other neighborhoods to do the same into it. People will want to hang out before and after games or just go to watch games. Since people are already there they'd be more willing to utilize the sports betting due to convenience. Ballpark village will also be important to other districts that also struggle to attract and/or maintain foot traffic. If it is designed well and creates a seamless flow from 4th street into this area then that could be the blueprint for other areas like PHS to want to create a similar seamless flow. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk All I want is a coffee shop / health food spot / juicery that's open past 3 pm on a weekday, is comfortable, and with ample room / lounge seating / lighting to work comfortably as a remote worker. With all the coffee shops that do exist downtown its amazing how many miss this mark (basically, all of them). If this Ballpark Village concept could accommodate the needs of everyday people in addition to your typical suburbanite looking to get plastered while losing money sportsbetting before a game... ...that would be super cool. Edited October 3, 20231 yr by ASP1984
October 4, 20231 yr 16 hours ago, ASP1984 said: All I want is a coffee shop / health food spot / juicery that's open past 3 pm on a weekday, is comfortable, and with ample room / lounge seating / lighting to work comfortably as a remote worker. With all the coffee shops that do exist downtown its amazing how many miss this mark (basically, all of them). If this Ballpark Village concept could accommodate the needs of everyday people in addition to your typical suburbanite looking to get plastered while losing money sportsbetting before a game... ...that would be super cool. Need more Lunas downtown
October 4, 20231 yr 8 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: They close at 3 lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Ha didn't know that! That is brutal. Hopefully it gets more and more popular and can be open later.
October 4, 20231 yr 20 hours ago, ASP1984 said: All I want is a coffee shop / health food spot / juicery that's open past 3 pm on a weekday, is comfortable, and with ample room / lounge seating / lighting to work comfortably as a remote worker. To be fair, Rebol is open til 8pm. But we could use some more options, especially if downtown is going to add more “districts” like the ballpark village
October 4, 20231 yr To be fair, Rebol is open til 8pm. But we could use some more options, especially if downtown is going to add more “districts” like the ballpark village See I don’t want Ballpark village to be viewed as a district. Cleveland has such defined districts that stick true to their name and it causes segregation and they don’t flow well. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
November 13, 20231 yr Author When the walls -- go tumbling tumbling -- down photo by Kevin DeFranco @Kevin_DeFranco "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
November 13, 20231 yr That is going to be one pretty large surface lot when combined with the other lot in the heart of the city. I just hope this doesn’t turn into a 30 year warehouse district situation.
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