1 hour ago, CLEeng said:

On top of that, the site is atrocious for anything more than a few transient stores in the area. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the sales pitch of apartments/condos in Brook Park that ANYONE would want to buy for anything other than bargain prices.

I understand the skepticism about the development succeeding as a whole, but I've always maintained that residential would do fine there. There are a lot of jobs (~100k in the Aerozone, in which the stadium site is centrally located) in the area and not a ton of new build apartments for employees to choose from. NASA, the airport, and Ford Engine Plant are all within 5 minutes of this location. The nearby new apartments at the Centaur along Brookpark seem to be doing well.

22 minutes ago, acd said:

I understand the skepticism about the development succeeding as a whole, but I've always maintained that residential would do fine there. There are a lot of jobs (~100k in the Aerozone, in which the stadium site is centrally located) in the area and not a ton of new build apartments for employees to choose from. NASA, the airport, and Ford Engine Plant are all within 5 minutes of this location. The nearby new apartments at the Centaur along Brookpark seem to be doing well.

Residential is the last thing that "will do fine". The only thing that will do fine is a low rise budget hotel because the airport is nearby. Who wants to live next to a stadium surrounded by highways, busy train tracks and an airport (what is going to be worse on a daily basis-the noise or the pollution?) completely isolated from any other amenities (in other words-get in your car) with 70,000 drunk football fans walking in front of your building 8 to 10 times a year. Oh, don't forget all the traffic you will have to deal with the rest of the year due to Haslam offering all his surface lots as long term airport parking.

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by Htsguy

10 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Residential is the last thing that "will do fine". The only thing that will do fine is a low rise budget hotel because the airport is nearby. Who wants to live next to a stadium surrounded by highways, busy train tracks and an airport (what is going to be worse on a daily basis-the noise or the pollution?) completely isolated from any other amenities (in other words-get in your car) with 70,000 drunk football fans walking in front of your building 8 to 10 times a year. Oh, don't forget all the traffic you will have to deal with the rest of the year due to Haslam offering all his surface lots as long term airport parking.

I imagine it could be very appealing for some die-hard Browns season-ticket holders. You can "tailgate" before the games at your own place and walk to the stadium. No hassle of dealing with traffic, riding crowded transit, or paying for parking.

15 minutes ago, TMart said:

I imagine it could be very appealing for some die-hard Browns season-ticket holders. You can "tailgate" before the games at your own place and walk to the stadium. No hassle of dealing with traffic, riding crowded transit, or paying for parking.

Anybody who can afford Browns season tickets is not going to live in an apartment in Brookpark.

Some of those residences could be corporate or investment property/secondary housing.

Or primary housing for that matter. There's such a lack of new construction that I wouldn't be surprised if these units got picked up very quickly. People live near airports, tracks and freeways all over the country and world.

We're gettin' off-topic y'all

To bring it back - I'm hoping there's a decent residential portion to whatever this gateway project ends up becoming - maybe that's what the second phase on the north half of the parcel will be? All of the current and proposed COSM locations (which are both in the suburbs and in city centers), seem to be adjacent to a new substantial residential build. A mid or high-rise residential building fronting Prospect would look really nice up against E 4th

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by Geowizical

That is one big, beautiful chunk of prime land begging to be developed. Even more so now with that parking garage gone. Curious if Bedrock has had any thought to purchase the brick building to the north on Prospect that used to house Nick's sports bar.

That is probably the largest parking crater in CBD now. A tallish tower on the site would be a nice addition and would fill one of the gaps in the downtown skyline.

Anyone have old photos of any buildings that used to be in the parking crater if there were ever any

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by BoomerangCleRes

2 hours ago, GREGinPARMA said:

That is one big, beautiful chunk of prime land begging to be developed. Even more so now with that parking garage gone. Curious if Bedrock has had any thought to purchase the brick building to the north on Prospect that used to house Nick's sports bar.

@GREGinPARMA Bedrock owns that building. They bought it from Stark when they acquired the neighboring parking lots.

This 3-acre parking crater in Gateway is actually smaller than the 4-acre parking crater along West 9th in the Warehouse District, although the historic Hilliard Building breaks it up a bit. Stark still owns that crater, but....

2 hours ago, BoomerangCleRes said:

Anyone have old photos of any buildings that used to be in the parking crater if there were ever any

There’s some in here, although there are definitely others around that I’ve seen over the years. Probably on UO.

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This is one of the more striking ones, looking north at Prospect in 1980.

And that same view today, the crater currently in question on the right.