22 minutes ago, MayDay said:

 

If any Central Ohio posters are wondering about this post.  It is one of the owners of Urban Ohio basically backing up what I said previously about watching out for out-of-region posters who might attempt to cause trouble in this thread.

1 hour ago, aderwent said:

 

It looks like future fabs will not need all the ancillary stuff; or as much. They'll extend toward Mink St. As will the parking lot at that angle. Leaving that triangle at the SW corner of Green Chapel and Mink as a detention/wetland area.

 

I guess they really want it to be parallel to Mink Street.

 

By the way, who named these streets, people in the 16th Century? Jug Street?

20 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, it always confuses me when people complain about the money the city/state has to put in for infrastructure for these projects.  Not saying anybody here is doing it, but you see it all the time.

 

Haaaaave you heard of Foxconn?

12 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

I might just be thinking of Bojangles now because we finally found out today where the first location in Columbus will be (Hilliard Rome Rd) but am I the only one who thinks of Bojangles when they read her name? 

To keep this on topic...so when I am traveling to the Intel construction site to gawk I will go past this road at 70-where exactly is the location?-is it by the interchange or further up Hilliard-Rome Rd?  Thanks.

 

 

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So 2 billion put out(apparently over several decades)with contingencies attached to get 20 billion in direct investment just to start and likely billions more after than, plus the billions to come from the ancillary development, jobs, growth, etc...

 

...I think this is a good investment. Just sayin'.

Edited January 29, 20223 yr by Toddguy
meh it is always something-I even had to edit this edit because of spelling smh.

2 hours ago, Toddguy said:

To keep this on topic...so when I am traveling to the Intel construction site to gawk I will go past this road at 70-where exactly is the location?-is it by the interchange or further up Hilliard-Rome Rd?  Thanks.

 

 

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So 2 billion put out(apparently over several decades)with contingencies attached to get 20 billion in direct investment just to start and likely billions more after than, plus the billions to come from the ancillary development, jobs, growth, etc...

 

...I think this is a good investment. Just sayin'.

It will be in front of the Menards. 

Last I heard they plan on around 15 locations in Franklin County

4 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

 

I guess they really want it to be parallel to Mink Street.

 

By the way, who named these streets, people in the 16th Century? Jug Street?

Down on the rural roads in Pickaway County, they have streets named something-Hitler. I'll take Jug St. any day over that.

52 minutes ago, John7165 said:

Down on the rural roads in Pickaway County, they have streets named something-Hitler. I'll take Jug St. any day over that.

 

lol, yes in Circleville.  It's named after Hitler Ludwig.  I don't know who that was, but apparently someone prominent in the area because there's a cemetery named after him.  

The Good Hitlers of Circleville

 

The other thing Circleville boasts about is the abundance of Hitler references. There are two Hitler roads—numbered 1 and 2—as well as a Huber-Hitler Road, a Hitler Pond, a Hitler Park, and a Hitler-Ludwig Cemetery, among other things. None of them pays tribute to the maniacal, genocidal, Nazi dictator, fortunately. These were the good Hitlers we are talking about, the original ones, the ones who founded Circleville.

The Hitlers were one of the pioneer families who migrated to Ohio’s Pickaway County in 1799 and settled in an area that is now Circleville. As Circleville Herald attests, they were “fine, upstanding citizens”. The Hitler family consisted of George Hitler, his wife Susannah Gay, and their eleven children, seven of which were born after they resettled in Circleville. These children married into other Pickaway families, had their own children and the Hitler family grew...

 

...Some Circleville residents wishes they could change the names of their roads and parks, but the Hitlers stand firm on their stance. They aren’t going to let one man's infamy force them to change their name.

 

 

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2018/03/the-good-hitlers-of-circleville.html

 

So it's the "Why should we change? He's the one who sucks!" thing like Michael Bolton in Office Space.

On 1/29/2022 at 4:32 PM, GCrites80s said:

The Good Hitlers of Circleville

 

The other thing Circleville boasts about is the abundance of Hitler references. There are two Hitler roads—numbered 1 and 2—as well as a Huber-Hitler Road, a Hitler Pond, a Hitler Park, and a Hitler-Ludwig Cemetery, among other things. None of them pays tribute to the maniacal, genocidal, Nazi dictator, fortunately. These were the good Hitlers we are talking about, the original ones, the ones who founded Circleville.

The Hitlers were one of the pioneer families who migrated to Ohio’s Pickaway County in 1799 and settled in an area that is now Circleville. As Circleville Herald attests, they were “fine, upstanding citizens”. The Hitler family consisted of George Hitler, his wife Susannah Gay, and their eleven children, seven of which were born after they resettled in Circleville. These children married into other Pickaway families, had their own children and the Hitler family grew...

 

...Some Circleville residents wishes they could change the names of their roads and parks, but the Hitlers stand firm on their stance. They aren’t going to let one man's infamy force them to change their name.

 

 

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2018/03/the-good-hitlers-of-circleville.html

 

So it's the "Why should we change? He's the one who sucks!" thing like Michael Bolton in Office Space.

Reminds me of the "Joel Rifkin" guy in Seinfeld when he was with Elaine at the ballpark and they kept paging him lol.

 

Anyway I am so happy about all of the money, jobs, development, downtown housing, highrises, etc. etc. etc. that will be raining down on Central Ohio and the Columbus area that I can hardly stand it.  🌞  Not to mention the other areas of Ohio that can also benefit too!

 

I was watching the games yesterday with my father and even at 93 and a Republican(except for Trump-he hates him)thinks the 2 billion in investment(with conditions) is a good idea considering everything that we will be getting from it. 

I pulled this video off of the intel.com homepage. It features some of the other Intel sites from around the world and while New Albany will probably look different, this should give us some idea of what to expect.

From The Dispatch:

 

Intel posts first job openings for its $20 billion New Albany chip factory.

 

"Intel has posted its first job openings for its $20 billion project in Greater Columbus that the semiconductor company announced last month."

 

"The jobs include civil/structural engineer, construction environmental safety engineer, basebuild project manager, chemical/process construction project engineer, design manager, architectural project engineer and electrical project engineer, according to the company's website."

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/02/09/intel-hiring-engineers-gears-up-construction-begin/6718902001/

2 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

From The Dispatch:

 

Intel posts first job openings for its $20 billion New Albany chip factory.

 

"Intel has posted its first job openings for its $20 billion project in Greater Columbus that the semiconductor company announced last month."

 

"The jobs include civil/structural engineer, construction environmental safety engineer, basebuild project manager, chemical/process construction project engineer, design manager, architectural project engineer and electrical project engineer, according to the company's website."

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/02/09/intel-hiring-engineers-gears-up-construction-begin/6718902001/

Well this is happening fast.  Let the boom begin.

Nice! How many jobs is this supposed to bring again?

31 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

Nice! How many jobs is this supposed to bring again?

The first fab is supposed to bring 3,000 jobs.  

I read typically this kind of facility also produces 13 spinoff jobs for every job they bring.

That would be around 40,000 jobs from the first fab.

Edited February 10, 20223 yr by Luvcbus

19 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Well this is happening fast.  Let the boom begin.

There was a post in the Columbus subreddit a couple days ago where the person was asking about the city and said they were coming from Canada.  When asked where they were looking in one of the comments, they said New Albany and that they were moving here for Intel.  It has definitely begun.

 

Here's the post for anybody interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/Columbus/comments/snxptz/im_moving_to_columbus_this_week_anything_i_need/

 

Edited February 10, 20223 yr by TH3BUDDHA

23 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

The first fab is supposed to bring 3,000 jobs.  

I read typically this kind of facility also produces 13 spinoff jobs for every job they bring.

That would be around 40,000 jobs from the first fab.

 

Oh my god that's an astronomical number. And how many fabs are they planning on building?!

 

Edit: I guess it would help if I did more reading. I see they're planning 5-6 fabs. So 40,000 x 5 is 200,000 jobs. I can't even comprehend that, lol.

 

Edit2: I'm now curious how this affects New Albany vs. Columbus. The OP article says they want to build a "mini city" basically. I wonder how all this will shake out and where the growth will be. But if we're truly looking upwards of 200,000 jobs, I imagine it'll be statewide, basically.

Edited February 11, 20223 yr by Zyrokai

45 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

 

Oh my god that's an astronomical number. And how many fabs are they planning on building?!

 

Edit: I guess it would help if I did more reading. I see they're planning 5-6 fabs. So 40,000 x 5 is 200,000 jobs. I can't even comprehend that, lol.

 

Edit2: I'm now curious how this affects New Albany vs. Columbus. The OP article says they want to build a "mini city" basically. I wonder how all this will shake out and where the growth will be. But if we're truly looking upwards of 200,000 jobs, I imagine it'll be statewide, basically.

 

I fully expect most of the incoming growth to occur in Columbus.  After all, it is the largest nearby city, has the most amenities, most available housing, etc., and wouldn't be an extraordinary commute.  Columbus all by itself attracts more than 50% of the entire metro's growth- and Franklin County more than 70%- so I would expect at least a similar ratio for anyone moving to the area for these new opportunities.  No doubt New Albany, Johnstown and other small communities will benefit greatly, but there's only so much housing to go around.  Obviously housing developers will rush into construction around all this, but I just don't see the majority of younger tech employees all wanting to live in small suburbs and rural/exurban areas that have no real amenities nearby.  

Edited February 11, 20223 yr by jonoh81

To add on to what @jonoh81said, I had referenced a quote from MORPC earlier upthread that referenced their research that most of the targeted employees for This project are comfortable with a commute upwards of 40 minutes. So that would spread the growth out pretty evenly to almost all parts of Central Ohio. 

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I fully expect most of the incoming growth to occur in Columbus.  After all, it is the largest nearby city, has the most amenities, most available housing, etc., and wouldn't be an extraordinary commute.  Columbus all by itself attracts more than 50% of the entire metro's growth- and Franklin County more than 70%- so I would expect at least a similar ratio for anyone moving to the area for these new opportunities.  No doubt New Albany, Johnstown and other small communities will benefit greatly, but there's only so much housing to go around.  Obviously housing developers will rush into construction around all this, but I just don't see the majority of younger tech employees all wanting to live in small suburbs and rural/exurban areas that have no real amenities nearby.  

This would be the perfect opportunity for some larger-scale, master planned, mixed use communities to pop up near the new plant. There's a beautiful resort-like community right across the street from the Chandler, AZ Intel plant. There's actually a lot of high quality housing right on both the Ocotillo  and the Hillsboro, Oregon campuses. New Albany has plenty of experience in planned development to get something like that done. I recall that the Beech Road area, south of 161, had originally planned for an "urban" density zone at the half-loop. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some dense housing pop up there, too.

16 minutes ago, amped91 said:

To add on to what @jonoh81said, I had referenced a quote from MORPC earlier upthread that referenced their research that most of the targeted employees for This project are comfortable with a commute upwards of 40 minutes. So that would spread the growth out pretty evenly to almost all parts of Central Ohio. 

 

Nifco is a supplier of plastic parts for Honda. They are located in the Canal/Pickerington area, which is close to an hour drive to the Honda plant with just a little bit of traffic. We will probably see a lot of that type of set up with suppliers for Intel. 

 

I know someone who used to work at Nifco. He said quite a few employees drove up from southern Ohio, some as far south as the river. So Honda, located in Marysville, was impacting job opportunities for someone living 2.5 hours away near Portsmouth. 

14 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Nifco is a supplier of plastic parts for Honda. They are located in the Canal/Pickerington area, which is close to an hour drive to the Honda plant with just a little bit of traffic. We will probably see a lot of that type of set up with suppliers for Intel. 

 

I know someone who used to work at Nifco. He said quite a few employees drove up from southern Ohio, some as far south as the river. So Honda, located in Marysville, was impacting job opportunities for someone living 2.5 hours away near Portsmouth. 

The distances people are willing to drive to work are insane. I know people who live in Mansfield and commute to Zanesville.... 3 hours of driving every single day!

1 hour ago, Airsup said:

This would be the perfect opportunity for some larger-scale, master planned, mixed use communities to pop up near the new plant. There's a beautiful resort-like community right across the street from the Chandler, AZ Intel plant. There's actually a lot of high quality housing right on both the Ocotillo  and the Hillsboro, Oregon campuses. New Albany has plenty of experience in planned development to get something like that done. I recall that the Beech Road area, south of 161, had originally planned for an "urban" density zone at the half-loop. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw some dense housing pop up there, too.

 

It would, and I think just about everyone here wants to see a larger comprehensive mass transit plan to connect both neighborhoods in Columbus and Columbus with suburban communities.  

 

I am not sure if I agree with the idea that New Albany is a good planning example.  It's pretty typically suburban in development patterns, just a lot more expensive.  Its "downtown" area is more planned, but that's a relatively small area.  There's really nothing on the scale of Bridge Park, for example.  Intel may change the dynamic, but I also foresee an explosion of local NIMBYism to fight a more urbanized development pattern there.    

Tech is really big on private buses so I don't know if this helps our rail transit chances all that much. Yes most major tech cities have OK to good rail transit, but that's because most of those cities were into rail transit already. If you add tech to a city with no rail transit they might just fire the private 28-passenger bus cannon at it.

2 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

 but I also foresee an explosion of local NIMBYism to fight a more urbanized development pattern there.    

I live out here in the "Ground-zero" area, and NIMBYism has already taken to all new levels on various social media platforms. The amount of just plain fake "info" floating around to justify their thoughts is mind boggling. Some of it is full-blown Q-level conspiracy beliefs where there is an evil cabal behind this coming development.  To quote the sage Samuel L. Jackson, "Hold on to your butts!".

 

NA may not have anything on their books already showing denser development, like Bridgepark, but they have demonstrated how to stick to their guns and accomplish a master plan. It's a new playbook now for them.

3 hours ago, TIm said:

The distances people are willing to drive to work are insane. I know people who live in Mansfield and commute to Zanesville.... 3 hours of driving every single day!

Agreed. I've met people who commuted from Zanesville, Cambridge, Athens, and Canton to the Columbus area for work. Meanwhile 30mi one way is too much for me.

22 minutes ago, PrestoKinetic said:

Agreed. I've met people who commuted from Zanesville, Cambridge, Athens, and Canton to the Columbus area for work. Meanwhile 30mi one way is too much for me.

30 minutes is too far of a commute for me but I consider 8 hours to be close for personal trips haha. All about perceptive I guess!

5 hours ago, Airsup said:

I live out here in the "Ground-zero" area, and NIMBYism has already taken to all new levels on various social media platforms. The amount of just plain fake "info" floating around to justify their thoughts is mind boggling. Some of it is full-blown Q-level conspiracy beliefs where there is an evil cabal behind this coming development.  To quote the sage Samuel L. Jackson, "Hold on to your butts!".

 

NA may not have anything on their books already showing denser development, like Bridgepark, but they have demonstrated how to stick to their guns and accomplish a master plan. It's a new playbook now for them.

welcome aboard Airsup!

9 hours ago, Zyrokai said:

 

Oh my god that's an astronomical number. And how many fabs are they planning on building?!

 

Edit: I guess it would help if I did more reading. I see they're planning 5-6 fabs. So 40,000 x 5 is 200,000 jobs. I can't even comprehend that, lol.

 

Edit2: I'm now curious how this affects New Albany vs. Columbus. The OP article says they want to build a "mini city" basically. I wonder how all this will shake out and where the growth will be. But if we're truly looking upwards of 200,000 jobs, I imagine it'll be statewide, basically.

 

The Ohio location is planned to be Intel's largest location  8 or more fabs.

To put that in perspective of just Intel jobs, they have 6 fabs with other offices in Oregon with 20k employees (the state's largest private employer)

in Arizona 6 fabs is around 12k Intel only employees.

So expect Ohio's location at full build out to be 15k-20k.  Which will place Intel in the top 3 private employers in Central Ohio.  So big.

TSMC is another chip manufacturer who is building a 1st phase 2 fab of an intended 6 fab facility.  The following youtube video shows what scale the Ohio location will see in the next few years.  

 

13 hours ago, Zyrokai said:

 

Oh my god that's an astronomical number. And how many fabs are they planning on building?!

 

Edit: I guess it would help if I did more reading. I see they're planning 5-6 fabs. So 40,000 x 5 is 200,000 jobs. I can't even comprehend that, lol.

 

Edit2: I'm now curious how this affects New Albany vs. Columbus. The OP article says they want to build a "mini city" basically. I wonder how all this will shake out and where the growth will be. But if we're truly looking upwards of 200,000 jobs, I imagine it'll be statewide, basically.

There should be several mini cities(including a built up Easton)stretching from downtown and environs to the Intel location(and maybe on to Newark and environs and all connected by mass transit. The time is now for the NE transit corridor connecting Downtown, JG airport, Easton, New Albany, etc. out to Intel and maybe even to Newark which might as well with it's suburbs double in population-why not if it is well positioned and well connected?

As this rural area will quickly experience exurban development it would be good to prepare for walkability/bikeability improvements before sprawl makes it more difficult to do.  One thing that could be done is to build out bike paths along the roads, from the plant area outward to all the populations centers in the area, and connecting to existing bike paths and parks.  So bike paths along roads connecting to New Albany, Johnstown, Alexandria, Granville, Newark, Pataskala.  Then  even extend the network west into the more developed Columbus suburbs Easton, Gahanna, Westerville, even to the airport area.    Connect to the TJ Evans bike trail, the Big Walnut bike trail, Alum Creek bike trail, and to Bevelhymer Park, Rocky Fork metro park, and Hoover Reservoir Park.  

 

Do a bike trail one one side of the roads and a sidewalk on the other side if possible.  Bury the utilities if possible and plant more trees along the paths.  

 

Here is a picture of just one such bike path that could be possible.  The network I have in mind would have lines all over the map though.  The second picture shows existing nearby bike trails.

 

 

 

Environmentally it would be good to identify some core chunks of wildlife habitat (perhaps with wetlands or with potential for wetland restoration) to preserve and then have forested wildlife corridors in between them (also connecting to existing or expanded parks.)  These corridors could also serve to manage water runoff and provide windbreak.  If these could be combined with trail routes it could provide shade for the trails.  Acknowledging that the area will be developed but doing it with more of a mind for nature than previous generations of sprawl and even better including opportunities for people to manage their mental and physical health by giving them opportunities to connect to nature.  

 

https://www.ncwildlife.org/Portals/0/Conserving/documents/GGT/Manual/GGT_handbook_2017_Section_3.pdf

 

It's also something that could enhance the area's reputation and narrative and thus be good for business

 

This is Beech Rd in the business park. Buried utilities, treed median, tree lawn, walking paths on both sides, and bike lanes.

 

Here's what it looked like before:

 

 

I imagine the same will be made of all the roads around Intel as well.

On 2/11/2022 at 5:18 PM, CbusOrBust said:

welcome aboard Airsup!

Thanks! Loooooong time lurker. ;) I've enjoyed this forums for many years.

 

23 hours ago, thebillshark said:

So bike paths along roads connecting to New Albany, Johnstown, Alexandria, Granville, Newark, Pataskala.  Then  even extend the network west into the more developed Columbus suburbs Easton, Gahanna, Westerville, even to the airport area.    Connect to the TJ Evans bike trail, the Big Walnut bike trail, Alum Creek bike trail, and to Bevelhymer Park, Rocky Fork metro park, and Hoover Reservoir Park.  

 

23 hours ago, aderwent said:

I imagine the same will be made of all the roads around Intel as well.

 

The TJ Evans trail is less than a block from my house (in Granville), and I love riding but hate dealing with cars. A network like this would be absolutely amazing. Not hard to see it getting done in New Albany given they have a pretty strong track record for connecting developments with trails, but I'm concerned there will be some very frustrating gaps that take virtually forever to fill in (if ever). It would be great if trail building was a requirement for the new developments that inevitably come as a result of Intel, Granville already has such a requirement.

It's worth thinking about whether Intel will face similar problems in Ohio and, if so, what we can start doing now to solve them.

 

Quote

Construction of TSMC's U.S. chip plant delayed by labor crunch, COVID

 

The deferral was mainly due to labor shortage and the on-and-off surge of COVID-19 infections in the U.S., the people said. Complicated processes for obtaining the different types of licenses needed for construction was another factor, they said. [...]

 

Making matters worse is the intense competition for workers in Arizona, including from U.S. semiconductor giant Intel, which has built a long-standing relationship with the state and local governments and communities during its 40 years there.

 

Intel plans a $20 billion expansion of its campus in Chandler, Arizona, which is just 50 km from TSMC's upcoming fab. The company employs about 12,000 people in Arizona and is looking to hire a further 3,000 to staff its expanded facilities.

 

"Arizona's labor pool will remain strained in 2022 as companies continue to seek qualified talent amidst record-low unemployment," the Greater Phoenix Chamber Foundation wrote in early February.

 

28 minutes ago, taestell said:

It's worth thinking about whether Intel will face similar problems in Ohio and, if so, what we can start doing now to solve them.

 

 

Sounds like Intel is the one causing the problems for the other facility and do we really face the same construction labor shortages that Arizona does given the very high growth in Arizona vs the relatively stagnant growth in Ohio and surrounding states? I would also think higher construction job wages(?) up here might take some workers from down south of here-assuming wages are lower in Tennessee, Flaw-duh, etc.?-I don't know about that for sure.

 

If possible we need to start importing workers if needed from areas with wages that are lower(if there are any). The continuing(and probably accelerating)growth in businesses and population in Central Ohio would be a reason for them to not only come here, but to stay.

Another good question is where are all of these workers going to live?-we have been underbuilding for over ten years and should have many more homes and apartments available. Maybe they can live in other places in the state initially and commute?  If they come they will be needed to build housing for themselves as well-which is why we need to encourage relatively affordable apartments and housing construction vs so much of the luxury housing that has been being built. Suburban zoning is exclusionary as all hell IMO.

Ohio is low-growth but the Columbus metro is not.

Just now, GCrites80s said:

Ohio is low-growth but the Columbus metro is not.

Well there have been numerous posts in different Central Ohio threads about how people commute from other parts of Ohio. I had coworkers who commuted to Hilliard from Athens way back in the 90's so I can see people commuting from Springfield/Dayton, even parts of NEO until(or if)housing ramps up like it needs to. 

 

Personally I would die-just drop dead-with a 1-2 hour commute one way...but others seem to do it. Again housing construction really needs to pick up here as well. 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/kim-palmer-blog/intel-deal-good-all-ohio-surveyed-lawmakers-say

 

Most lawmakers surveyed believe the project is a big win for the entire state.

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

Another good question is where are all of these workers going to live?

 

Newark.

 

Seriously, there is a ton of very affordable older house stock in okay enough neighborhoods ripe to be rehabilitated. One would think someone in the trades could make that happen.

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

 I had coworkers who commuted to Hilliard from Athens way back in the 90's so I can see people commuting from Springfield/Dayton, even parts of NEO until(or if)housing ramps up like it needs to. 

 

For the last year my wife was in grad school, I commuted from Athens to Marietta. Took a little over an hour, but at least there wasn't much traffic. It's worthwhile when the job is way better than what you find locally, but I would hate to have to do it for too long. I'd expect that applies for construction jobs where you go site to site anyway.

Two years later when she was doing her postdoc, I got to make the daily drive from Pawtucket RI to Worcester MA. That was much worse...one dense metro to another with some open space in-between, bad roads, plenty of (aggressive) traffic, and weekly snowstorms in the winter dumping 1-2 feet at a time. I dealt with it again since that was expected to be short term until she was finished, but I actually kept the job and have been permanent WFH when we moved back to Ohio in ten years ago.

Edited February 15, 20223 yr by mrCharlie

13 minutes ago, mrCharlie said:

 

For the last year my wife was in grad school, I commuted from Athens to Marietta. Took a little over an hour, but at least there wasn't much traffic. It's worthwhile when the job was way better than what you find locally, but I would hate to have to do it for too long.

Two years later when she was doing her postdoc, I got to make the daily drive from Pawtucket RI to Worcester MA. That was much worse...one dense metro to another with some open space in-between, bad roads, plenty of (aggressive) traffic, and weekly snowstorms in the winter dumping 1-2 feet at a time. I dealt with it again since that was expected to be short term until she was finished, but I actually kept the job and have been permanent WFH when we moved back to Ohio in ten years ago.

 

 

I don't know how people do it. Maybe if it pays enough? I have no idea of how much these construction jobs will pay? 

 

Newark is the obvious choice but I don't know how much housing is available there or anywhere really.

 

What about Mansfield, Springfield, Mt. Vernon, Marion, Chillicothe, Zanesville, etc.-areas relatively close to or in Central Ohio that have not had much population growth and may have some excess housing, maybe some in need of rehabbing? I am not really sure about how much vacant or excess properties are available in those areas either.  Maybe Dayton?-at least once you got on a freeway it would be mostly freeway and(at least sometimes)freeway speeds. 70 to 270 around to 161-at least avoiding DT Cbus.

 

Where is our expert on data johoh81?

 

I know we can forget about Madison County because despite the job growth here they have built very little housing. Probably do not want "the wrong people" moving here and all smh.  That and the difficulties with the Darby Creeks and the Darby Accord and all.  West Jeff has rush hours now with people streaming in and out to work at the warehouses and industries in the western sections. But no. new. housing. here.  I bet there have been less than 100 new housing units in the last 25 years.

 

 

Edited February 15, 20223 yr by Toddguy

17 hours ago, mrCharlie said:

 

Newark.

 

Seriously, there is a ton of very affordable older house stock in okay enough neighborhoods ripe to be rehabilitated. One would think someone in the trades could make that happen.

 

Spot on!! This cant be stated enough.  Its already been happening.  Case in point..on the street that i live on, there are 3 younger couples (late 20's early 30's) that have moved here.  After getting to know them over the last 2 years, i have realized through conversation that they all have 1 thing in common...that they moved here because of the way cheaper and older housing stock.  Newark has plenty of homes from mid century that are still in great shape and affordable.  All 3 couples work in New Albany as it is.  Two of the couples were from Westerville and one couple was from Grove City.  They all wanted older housing (Grandview, Clintonville, etc) but it was just toooo expensive.  Their realtors all made them aware of Newark and explained to them that it was actually only a 15-18 min drive from New Albany to Newark.  Once they looked around Newark, they were floored when they found the exact style and size of home they wanted. The pricing sold them on the spot.  Now, they all love living here.  My one neighbor said it perfect...Newark/Heath/Granville has 3 of everything you need in life, and that's exactly right.  I couldn't be more serious about what i'm about to say...Newark would be a GREAT location for one of those HGTV/DIY Network home renovation shows lol.  The housing stock here is perfect and unlike any other of the shows they have.  Anyway, the buzz around the area about the growth that is coming has been received very well from all conversations i have had.  People around here understand we are living in a new era of Newark...a rebirth!  Even if we just get 1-3% of that growth...it would be awesome for Newark!!

Edited February 16, 20223 yr by OhioFinest

Newark has everything any 270 suburb has and for a better price. Ok, maybe not a Whole Foods/TJ but if you’re that desperate Easton is 20 minutes.
 

I personally think Pataskala is doing itself a disservice by not trying to attract some of those similar amenities and letting the Etna warehouses encroach. I think we see that change here in the near future after this announcement. 

 

I also think despite this being on the other side of 16 that the area south of 16 is where the growth will come from this project. If you look in Pataskala, Etna, Hebron, Granville, etc, that’s where the land is for sale. Along with far south eastern Delaware County, you’ll see parts of Fairfield and Knox grow, so yes it’s going to technically “shape” a large part of Ohio considering 5 counties in this metro are fairly close.
 

That being said a commute to even areas like Zanesville is not bad from where this is located. Mansfield as someone mentioned isn’t either. I’ve known people who’ve commuted from Medina to work in Columbus and people who live in Youngstown who’ve worked in Cleveland. If the opportunity is right people will make sacrifices. When I was calling on people strictly in Ohio there were days when I would work my way from Wooster or Springfield/Dayton or Marietta and back to Columbus. It’s not an oddity by any means.

19 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

Newark has everything any 270 suburb has and for a better price. Ok, maybe not a Whole Foods/TJ but if you’re that desperate Easton is 20 minutes.
 

I personally think Pataskala is doing itself a disservice by not trying to attract some of those similar amenities and letting the Etna warehouses encroach. I think we see that change here in the near future after this announcement. 

 

I also think despite this being on the other side of 16 that the area south of 16 is where the growth will come from this project. If you look in Pataskala, Etna, Hebron, Granville, etc, that’s where the land is for sale. Along with far south eastern Delaware County, you’ll see parts of Fairfield and Knox grow, so yes it’s going to technically “shape” a large part of Ohio considering 5 counties in this metro are fairly close.
 

That being said a commute to even areas like Zanesville is not bad from where this is located. Mansfield as someone mentioned isn’t either. I’ve known people who’ve commuted from Medina to work in Columbus and people who live in Youngstown who’ve worked in Cleveland. If the opportunity is right people will make sacrifices. When I was calling on people strictly in Ohio there were days when I would work my way from Wooster or Springfield/Dayton or Marietta and back to Columbus. It’s not an oddity by any means.

To be fair Pataskala has been fairly proactive recently in trying to make some changes to the way they do things to encourage development while not putting the burden up making updates to infrastructure exclusively on the town. They are kind of going from a "probably not here" to an "absolutely here and this is how it will be done" area and I'm all about that. Not just allowing to developers to come in and run all over them, they want development to stay in line with certain expectations. I think they may have recently done a major review of the zoning regulations? Maybe someone else can confirm.

Here's the breakdown of where I think workers end up living... 

 

Columbus: Max: 80% Min: 60%

New Albany: Max: 30% Min 10%

Newark: Max: 20% Min: 10%

Johnstown: Max: 10% Min: 5%

Other communities: Whatever's left.

Edited February 16, 20223 yr by jonoh81

8 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

Here's the breakdown of where I think workers end up living... 

 

Columbus: Max: 80% Min: 60%

New Albany: Max: 30% Min 10%

Newark: Max: 20% Min: 10%

Johnstown: Max: 10% Min: 5%

Other communities: Whatever's left.

 

There really does need to be a "rising tide lifts all boats" approach to this.  Hopefully, the Intel suppliers that build in the area will also be a success!!  That's what i am really curious to see shake out...just how many indirect jobs this creates as well. 

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

Here's the breakdown of where I think workers end up living... 

 

Columbus: Max: 80% Min: 60%

New Albany: Max: 30% Min 10%

Newark: Max: 20% Min: 10%

Johnstown: Max: 10% Min: 5%

Other communities: Whatever's left.

I have a feeling it will be a little more spread out than this. Just depends if Intel is hiring a lot of young people early in their careers/fresh out of school or a lot of people who have established themselves in the industry and are raising families and all that. School districts may play a huge role in where people decide to live and if that's a factor you can take Columbus and Newark off the table for some and those people would lean more towards communities such as Granville and New Albany.

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

Here's the breakdown of where I think workers end up living... 

 

Columbus: Max: 80% Min: 60%

New Albany: Max: 30% Min 10%

Newark: Max: 20% Min: 10%

Johnstown: Max: 10% Min: 5%

Other communities: Whatever's left.

If Intel workers have children, they aren't moving to Columbus by the numbers you suggest. 

12 minutes ago, John7165 said:

If Intel workers have children, they aren't moving to Columbus by the numbers you suggest. 

 

Lots of people live in Columbus with kids.  And that number is increasing.  Schools are a concern, but these aren't low-paying jobs, so there are other options for them.