It's why I gave a range, but I don't foresee any scenario in which Columbus doesn't get the majority just from a housing availability standpoint.  We're talking about the first 2 fabs being finished in just 3 years, and people will be coming to the area before that.  That's not a lot of time for mass housing construction.  Down the road, the ratios may change, but at least at first, Columbus gets most of them.  

Edited February 16, 20223 yr by jonoh81

20 minutes ago, John7165 said:

If Intel workers have children, they aren't moving to Columbus by the numbers you suggest. 

 

People move to Columbus then have kids.

I'm going to be a debbie downer here and say that any idea that this is going to add to any positive contribution to a mass transit plan is an honestly misguided hope. Central Ohio's best, and most reasonable hope to start regional transit is barely alive (CMH to convention center).  Another relatively easy sell isnt even on the radar for leaders it seems. (Delaware to Columbus. Ample growth. Ample space. Attractive downtowns. Enormous right away along 23. But nah... lets go for limited access freeway and an outerbelt).  All these corridors make so much sense, and have for many years, but it's just nearly impossible. 

 

Comparisons have been made to the research triangle. The research triangle has failed multiple times for mass transit due to resident opposition. MARTA has failed to expand due to resident opposition. DC Metro can't expand into the further suburbs due to resident opposition. Charlotte charges ahead with an actual plan but loses at the polls to connect the suburbs. Austin passed theirs 21 years after their first attempt and its limited to 2 lines within the city. Pheonix fended off defeat but their system is limited to the boundaries of a city and Not suburban connections. As long as transit, in particular regional transit is subject to votes in any way, it's not going to happen in Central Ohio beyond the confines of the county, if that. I've accepted that I might be in my 70s to ever see Columbus have a truly functional regional transit system if ever in my lifetime. (I'm in my 30s). I just don't see it happening.  It would take the cities and state making it happen without any public input, vote, or ability to petition and sue. Given the makeup of the statehouse, it wouldn't take much for a band of state legislators to ban such a project.

 

Dallas (DART) is arguably the most successful regional transit system of modern times. Where others have largely failed, DART succeeded in connecting other jurisdictions. It is the exception to the rule. As mentioned, even very wealthy and liberal Austin has struggled to get off the ground while Dallas continually succeeded. 

 

The infrastructure money from the state and other governments is going to be water, electricity, sewer and little more than a 'one more lane' approach to the NE side of the city. I'll put money on a 3 lane 161 sooner than later, additional expansions of Mink, additional streets (beautifully suburban boulevards),  ramps, and thats about it. Little if any will be put toward a regional transit plan. 

 

Newark is a great candidate for benefiting the most hut it will take leaders in Newark to drive that. Ohio has alot of potential in the 3rd tier cities that has yet to be truly tapped. I agree that if done correctly, Newark could see a lions share of the urban focused benefits. 

 

New Albany is, at best, a likely location to see some sort of increased density.  Easton, certainly could withstand it so maybe this will turn the tide there and push for the big growth.  Sure, we will see more things along the lines of Pullman Way, quarry trails, and Evan's Farms, but that's probably about it for the traditional suburb/exurbs. I wouldn't put money on seeing anyone outside of easton go for a bridge park style development. They would be smart to, but I still think it would be a hard sell for those communities. 

 

Regarding Pataskala: They just unveiled their new zoning where one third of the township is 'conservation suburban' permitting 1 unit per 2 acres and another one third is 'conservation rural' at 1 unit for every 10 acres. Their purpose is this is to be a farm-ag community with small farms and be a central part of a growing farmers market industry so I don't oppose their vision, but this is a huge chunk of area nearby that's automatically excluded from increased density as well. I'm not sure the remaining zoning is going to be enough to drive better cohesive density beyond typical exurban development. 

 

This is great for Central Ohio. Without a doubt.  Will it be impactful beyond adding a little oomph to a handful of suburb and exurb developments in terms of regional development? Consider me skeptical on any big impacts to better promote a better urban experience for the region. 

 

Central Ohio grows as little as 18k to as much as 40k+ in a year. I don't see a scenario where a few thousand jobs and offshoots drastically changes that. Or greatly contributes to development beyond the NE suburbs. Its not out of the realm of feasibility that a fair bit if not most of the jobs will go to current central Ohio residents without the need to relocate. While there will certainly be demand for certain jobs that require specific technological education, there's still alot of jobs at a microchip plant that only require a high school diploma or other degrees that a region of 2 million could easily support. 

 

The number of Intel and supplier employees clamoring for urban Columbus living probably isn't going to lead directly to any boom that we would often support and promote. Sure. Some developers around town will use the right buzz words to prop up a narrative, but unless this draws in significant employers with an urban presence, it's overall impact and contributions to a thriving urban living scenario and push for transit will be limited if it just leads to further expansion of suburban office parks. Let's hope that it does draw more companies because that's the biggest hope Columbus has to a bigger, better, more transit oriented boom. But again, it's going to take massive vision and cooperation and funds for anything serious and linking multiple jurisdictions is going to be the most significant uphill battle. 

Columbus doesn't have opposition to rail transit outside of a few noisy sprawl worshipers all they way out in like Commercial Point whose opinion doesn't matter. It instead has apathy keeping it from getting rail transit. But since tech is really big on private buses I'm not expecting much change initiated by Intel.

20 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

I'm going to be a debbie downer here and say that any idea that this is going to add to any positive contribution to a mass transit plan is an honestly misguided hope. Central Ohio's best, and most reasonable hope to start regional transit is barely alive (CMH to convention center).  Another relatively easy sell isnt even on the radar for leaders it seems. (Delaware to Columbus. Ample growth. Ample space. Attractive downtowns. Enormous right away along 23. But nah... lets go for limited access freeway and an outerbelt).  All these corridors make so much sense, and have for many years, but it's just nearly impossible. 

 

Comparisons have been made to the research triangle. The research triangle has failed multiple times for mass transit due to resident opposition. MARTA has failed to expand due to resident opposition. DC Metro can't expand into the further suburbs due to resident opposition. Charlotte charges ahead with an actual plan but loses at the polls to connect the suburbs. Austin passed theirs 21 years after their first attempt and its limited to 2 lines within the city. Pheonix fended off defeat but their system is limited to the boundaries of a city and Not suburban connections. As long as transit, in particular regional transit is subject to votes in any way, it's not going to happen in Central Ohio beyond the confines of the county, if that. I've accepted that I might be in my 70s to ever see Columbus have a truly functional regional transit system if ever in my lifetime. (I'm in my 30s). I just don't see it happening.  It would take the cities and state making it happen without any public input, vote, or ability to petition and sue. Given the makeup of the statehouse, it wouldn't take much for a band of state legislators to ban such a project.

 

Dallas (DART) is arguably the most successful regional transit system of modern times. Where others have largely failed, DART succeeded in connecting other jurisdictions. It is the exception to the rule. As mentioned, even very wealthy and liberal Austin has struggled to get off the ground while Dallas continually succeeded. 

 

The infrastructure money from the state and other governments is going to be water, electricity, sewer and little more than a 'one more lane' approach to the NE side of the city. I'll put money on a 3 lane 161 sooner than later, additional expansions of Mink, additional streets (beautifully suburban boulevards),  ramps, and thats about it. Little if any will be put toward a regional transit plan. 

 

Newark is a great candidate for benefiting the most hut it will take leaders in Newark to drive that. Ohio has alot of potential in the 3rd tier cities that has yet to be truly tapped. I agree that if done correctly, Newark could see a lions share of the urban focused benefits. 

 

New Albany is, at best, a likely location to see some sort of increased density.  Easton, certainly could withstand it so maybe this will turn the tide there and push for the big growth.  Sure, we will see more things along the lines of Pullman Way, quarry trails, and Evan's Farms, but that's probably about it for the traditional suburb/exurbs. I wouldn't put money on seeing anyone outside of easton go for a bridge park style development. They would be smart to, but I still think it would be a hard sell for those communities. 

 

Regarding Pataskala: They just unveiled their new zoning where one third of the township is 'conservation suburban' permitting 1 unit per 2 acres and another one third is 'conservation rural' at 1 unit for every 10 acres. Their purpose is this is to be a farm-ag community with small farms and be a central part of a growing farmers market industry so I don't oppose their vision, but this is a huge chunk of area nearby that's automatically excluded from increased density as well. I'm not sure the remaining zoning is going to be enough to drive better cohesive density beyond typical exurban development. 

 

This is great for Central Ohio. Without a doubt.  Will it be impactful beyond adding a little oomph to a handful of suburb and exurb developments in terms of regional development? Consider me skeptical on any big impacts to better promote a better urban experience for the region. 

 

Central Ohio grows as little as 18k to as much as 40k+ in a year. I don't see a scenario where a few thousand jobs and offshoots drastically changes that. Or greatly contributes to development beyond the NE suburbs. Its not out of the realm of feasibility that a fair bit if not most of the jobs will go to current central Ohio residents without the need to relocate. While there will certainly be demand for certain jobs that require specific technological education, there's still alot of jobs at a microchip plant that only require a high school diploma or other degrees that a region of 2 million could easily support. 

 

The number of Intel and supplier employees clamoring for urban Columbus living probably isn't going to lead directly to any boom that we would often support and promote. Sure. Some developers around town will use the right buzz words to prop up a narrative, but unless this draws in significant employers with an urban presence, it's overall impact and contributions to a thriving urban living scenario and push for transit will be limited if it just leads to further expansion of suburban office parks. Let's hope that it does draw more companies because that's the biggest hope Columbus has to a bigger, better, more transit oriented boom. But again, it's going to take massive vision and cooperation and funds for anything serious and linking multiple jurisdictions is going to be the most significant uphill battle. 

 

There hasn't been an actual vote on alternate transit in Columbus for nearly a quarter century, and that failed less so because of opposition to mass transit, but in the awful, stupid and confusing way that COTA went about putting it all on the ballot.  So it's hard to say what current thinking is.  Obviously, there would be enormous NIMBYism and "but muh taxes" opposition in the greater region, but that exists everywhere that currently has a real mass transit system, and is arguably even more fierce in other places.  Columbus by itself, at the very least, should be able to tackle mass transit within its borders.  Whether any suburbs want to join in is irrelevant to that.  The problem has always been leadership that has been consistently lukewarm to the idea at best, or local transit authorities like MORPC/COTA have failed spectacularly to build support or to form any tangible plans.  They've almost never submitted a plan for federal funding, for example, because they've only very rarely had a serious plan, and their timing was always terrible.

 

And I disagree that the area's average annual population growth doesn't ultimately improve long term because of projects,  like this.  It's been strong- and improving- for a while now.  All this stuff puts Columbus more into the national consciousness, which it really hasn't been to date.  At the very least, more people will be taking a look at the region, and at least some of those additional people will make the move above and beyond the existing growth.  Because again,  it's not just about the Intel project itself, but all the additional development it's going to help attract.  

Edited February 16, 20223 yr by jonoh81

As far as transportation, the dispatch has the following article this morning.  

 

https://www.dispatch.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dispatch.com%2Fstory%2Fbusiness%2F2022%2F02%2F16%2Fhow-intel-ohio-change-traffic-161-new-albany-and-columbus-new-lane%2F6652315001%2F

 

The article is behind a paywall so I can't get all of the details.  

 

I agree with the discussion here on transportation that there won't be much beyond widening 161 and improving interchanges at 62, beech, and mink.   The region and in fact the whole state is suffering with any form of alternate transportation.  Even with the established systems we have COTA, Cleveland's rail and bus systems, etc.  Why?  The state has not been supportive at all.  In order for alternate transportation to succeed you need all levels of support: local, state and federal.  Maybe (a big MAYBE) this kind of project will at least lead to a discussion on all levels.

 

As far as this area's growth, Columbus can handle this project being absorbed by itself.  I think though this project and all of the spin off opportunities that will come with it will take Columbus in it's current organic growth stage (as it has been for decades) to another level.  Approaching the next Nashville, Atlanta, Charlotte (sunbelt) growth which will certainly effect the region.

 

In regards to "where will people live", if you haven't already, take a look at the existing Intel sites in Oregon and Arizona in Google Maps or another satellite imagery site. Look at the density and proximity of housing to these fabs. I think, in both cases, the factory came first, then housing, so residential developments were built as a product of the factory, and not the factory coming in and setting up shop next to homes. I'd expect to see similar proximity here. I'm not expecting right across the street like in OR and AZ since MBJ holds most of the land around the site, but in Johnstown and the townships eventually. I do know for a fact that the local municipalities from Jtown to Newark have been approach for meetings, daily for the last couple of weeks, by developers like M/I Homes, requesting infrastructure details to see if those communities' sewer and water systems can handle new neighborhoods.

 

And for a lighter-side laugh, from Nextdoor - the new level of NIMBY-ism. Achievement Unlocked. I'll block the names, but you can see it publicly on the site or app. 

 

 

Edited February 17, 20223 yr by Airsup

Cbus shout out during the SOTU address tonight! I love that with the Intel plant, and everything else that is to come, Columbus will become more and more a major player on the national stage. 
 

Edited March 2, 20223 yr by amped91

I found this earlier, and thought I'd leave it here in case anyone is interested in getting updates from Intel on the new chip factories coming to New Albany...

 

Here's the link:

 

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/corporate-responsibility/intel-in-ohio.html#:~:text=Intel is planning to invest,the needs of foundry customers

 

Click on "sign up for updates"

 

 

There's a couple interesting quotes in the Dispatch today discussing how much Intel will impact northeastern Franklin County and Licking County:

 

"Pat Guanciale, a GLC board member and real estate agent with Coldwell Banker King Thompson, said it’s amazing to look at the growth of Chandler, Arizona, since Intel came to that community."

 

"Chandler had 30,000 residents when Intel first opened a facility there in 1980. In September, Intel broke ground on its fifth and sixth semiconductor fabrication facilities in Chandler. The Arizona city’s population grew to 90,703 in 1990, then 179,577 in 2000, and 236,123 in 2010. It’s population this year is estimated at 273,102. Rows of $1 million houses sit across the street from Intel, Guanciale said."

 

"Hebron Mayor Jim Layton said he talked to someone from Oregon, who said, “Your wildest dreams are half of what’s going to happen.”

 

"Intel has seven campuses in Oregon, six in the city of Hillsboro, which has a population of 111,909. Hillsboro grew from 38,983 in 1990, to 71,346 in 2000, and 91,611 in 2010."

 

 

https://dispatch-oh.newsmemory.com/?token=1bc19df92dceaed76b4dcd90645c3a63&cnum=0b7d0e5f-fe67-eb11-9acf-90b11c3bc1f2&fod=1111111STD-0&selDate=20220320&licenseType=paid_subscriber&

Edited March 20, 20223 yr by Luvcbus

Yeah... these are suburbs of Portland and Pheonix. Both have alot of companies that explain regional and urban growth. Of course, pehonix is nothing but a giant suburbs to begin with. But Specifically, these suburbs, and neighbors, experienced massive suburban growth. I understand the comments, but tbh, the growth of Chandler and Hillsoboro, doesn't excite me. If anything, it shows that the Intel factory unlocked massive subdivision sprawl.

 

I'd hope that being in 2020, the suburbs could take those lessons and use that growth for smart urban planning and walkable development, and New Albany has a jump start on a less aggressive version of that but I think it speaks more to the fear that it will just increase the need for another outerbelt. 

 

One of the biggest ways to hedge that is for cities and private entities to really prioritize density but im not sure they will. If Easton, New Albany, Newark, and even Granville can get ahead of it, then the people moving here will have thoee options and likely choose them. But if they have the option of commuting from an urban area in the city, vs buying or building .25-.5 acres and be closer... they'll take the latter.

 

If we don't see fast and concerted efforts to beat the Intel rush, uninhibited suburban sprawl is the more likely result. 

9 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

Yeah... these are suburbs of Portland and Pheonix. Both have alot of companies that explain regional and urban growth. Of course, pehonix is nothing but a giant suburbs to begin with.

 

Are you trying to misspell Phoenix in every way possible? 😂

Just now, cbussoccer said:

 

Are you trying to misspell Phoenix in every way possible? 😂

 

Yes. But my phone didn't correct it either so it's right. It also represents how much respect I have for that God forsaken place. 

Was in the New Albany area today so i checked out the future site of Intel...

Crews are currently clearing trees and knocking down buildings!

 

(here's a couple pics- unfortunately the sun is making it hard to see)

These are from near Mink Street

 

 

Edited March 22, 20223 yr by CbusOrBust

25 minutes ago, CbusOrBust said:

Was in the New Albany area today so i checked out the future site of Intel...

Crews are currently clearing trees and knocking down buildings!

 

(here's a couple pics- unfortunately the sun is making it hard to see)

These are from Mink Street

 

 

They are not wasting any time-and I am here for it!

1 hour ago, Toddguy said:

They are not wasting any time-and I am here for it!

The speed at which projects have been getting going here has been insanely impressive recently. Feel like I've seen multiple central Ohio projects go from announced to approved to shovels in the ground in as short a time as a few months recently. Intel does have a lot of incentive to get going ASAP though!

18 minutes ago, TIm said:

The speed at which projects have been getting going here has been insanely impressive recently. Feel like I've seen multiple central Ohio projects go from announced to approved to shovels in the ground in as short a time as a few months recently. Intel does have a lot of incentive to get going ASAP though!

You can definitely feel the momentum when you're out in that area!  Just while i was out there, i saw crews marking stuff like gas lines, crews clearing land, some structures being knocked down and a couple houses had people actively moving their stuff out!  Things are moving very quickly!

 

I read earlier, some of the people that have sold their property have to be out by June, so i suspect things will really be moving fast by June/July.

Found an interesting article on some of the prep work currently going on around the Intel site.

 

Road improvements begin ahead of Intel's new chip factory in Licking County

 

"To make way for Intel, and the suppliers that will follow, Jug Street is being transformed.

Hundreds of trees must be removed before the end of March.

New Albany says it had to act quickly before the endangered Indiana bat begins nesting here in the summer."

 

"There are 10 others road widening projects starting in 2024 that include Jug Street, Green Chapel Road, Mink Street, Harrison Road, Clover Valley Road as well as Beech and Miller Roads.

ODOT will make $112 million worth of improvements to State Route 161 in eastern Franklin County and Western Licking County.

One project will add one lane in each direction of SR 161 from I-270 to just east of US 62."

 

"Another ODOT project will widen the ramp from SR 161 west to I-270 north/west.

ODOT will also improve the Mink Street interchange to connect with the improvements on local roads."

 

"New Albany says the land Intel is purchasing was bought from residents who chose to sell and move. The city says eminent domain was not used to take the land.

Licking County Commissioner Tim Bubb said life in Licking County changed the day Intel announced it was coming here."

 

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/road-improvements-begin-ahead-intels-new-chip-factory-in-licking-county/530-1100a587-c8fb-4ff4-b54b-27675a5f8610

 

Edited March 26, 20223 yr by Luvcbus

4 minutes ago, Luvcbus said:

Here's a decent article on some of the prep work currently going on around the Intel site.

 

Road improvements begin ahead of Intel's new chip factory in Licking County

 

"To make way for Intel, and the suppliers that will follow, Jug Street is being transformed.

Hundreds of trees must be removed before the end of March.

New Albany says it had to act quickly before the endangered Indiana bat begins nesting here in the summer."

 

"There are 10 others road widening projects starting in 2024 that include Jug Street, Green Chapel Road, Mink Street, Harrison Road, Clover Valley Road as well as Beech and Miller Roads.

ODOT will make $112 million worth of improvements to State Route 161 in eastern Franklin County and Western Licking County.

One project will add one lane in each direction of SR 161 from I-270 to just east of US 62."

 

"Another ODOT project will widen the ramp from SR 161 west to I-270 north/west.

ODOT will also improve the Mink Street interchange to connect with the improvements on local roads."

 

"New Albany says the land Intel is purchasing was bought from residents who chose to sell and move. The city says eminent domain was not used to take the land.

Licking County Commissioner Tim Bubb said life in Licking County changed the day Intel announced it was coming here."

 

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/road-improvements-begin-ahead-intels-new-chip-factory-in-licking-county/530-1100a587-c8fb-4ff4-b54b-27675a5f8610

 

Wouldn't it be so 2022 America to have a $100B construction project held up over something called the "Indiana Bats?"

5 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

Found an interesting article on some of the prep work currently going on around the Intel site.

 

Road improvements begin ahead of Intel's new chip factory in Licking County

 

"To make way for Intel, and the suppliers that will follow, Jug Street is being transformed.

Hundreds of trees must be removed before the end of March.

New Albany says it had to act quickly before the endangered Indiana bat begins nesting here in the summer."

 

"There are 10 others road widening projects starting in 2024 that include Jug Street, Green Chapel Road, Mink Street, Harrison Road, Clover Valley Road as well as Beech and Miller Roads.

ODOT will make $112 million worth of improvements to State Route 161 in eastern Franklin County and Western Licking County.

One project will add one lane in each direction of SR 161 from I-270 to just east of US 62."

 

"Another ODOT project will widen the ramp from SR 161 west to I-270 north/west.

ODOT will also improve the Mink Street interchange to connect with the improvements on local roads."

 

"New Albany says the land Intel is purchasing was bought from residents who chose to sell and move. The city says eminent domain was not used to take the land.

Licking County Commissioner Tim Bubb said life in Licking County changed the day Intel announced it was coming here."

 

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/road-improvements-begin-ahead-intels-new-chip-factory-in-licking-county/530-1100a587-c8fb-4ff4-b54b-27675a5f8610

 

The bolded needs to be plastered on billboards everywhere well, because of stupid people.

 

uh..the second bolded part. that I did. lol

Edited March 26, 20223 yr by Toddguy

1 hour ago, John7165 said:

Wouldn't it be so 2022 America to have a $100B construction project held up over something called the "Indiana Bats?"

 

Sounds like a minor league baseball team.    

39 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Sounds like a minor league baseball team.    

This story is getting weirder and weirder as we go along! I can imagine the headline:

 

"Indiana Bats Hold Up Intel Construction on Way to Minor League Pennant"

The Indiana Bat thing is a common issue in site development throughout Central Ohio. Trees need to be felled between November and March to avoid interfering with breeding. 

So they can't cut down trees during specific months due to bats using them for breeding... but no comment on the destruction of their breeding habitat... the trees? 

Edited March 26, 20223 yr by jonoh81

22 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

So they can't cut down trees during specific months due to bats using them for breeding... but no comment on the destruction of their breeding habitat... the trees? 

The trees aren't an endangered species.  The bats are.

2 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

The trees aren't an endangered species.  The bats are.

I believe @jonoh81's point was that the trees are part of the bat's ecosystem to facilitate breeding.  Similar to getting rid of the back seat of your Dad's Oldsmobile Delta 88. 

3 hours ago, DO_Summers said:

I believe @jonoh81's point was that the trees are part of the bat's ecosystem to facilitate breeding.  Similar to getting rid of the back seat of your Dad's Oldsmobile Delta 88. 

I'm sure the thinking is that there are plenty of trees for them to nest in.  I don't think the trees in the area are all packed to the brim with bats.  However, you can't bring down a tree that they are currently nesting in because then you'd be actively killing them.

On 3/26/2022 at 12:23 PM, CMHOhio said:

This story is getting weirder and weirder as we go along! I can imagine the headline:

 

"Indiana Bats Hold Up Intel Construction on Way to Minor League Pennant"

 

First thing I thought of because the latest name for my half-dynasty rotisserie team is the Greensboro Bats.   I had the cap and the jersey and the original team has a different name now.

They'd probably be Vladdy and the Impalers or Shohei You've Got Me Moving if I had only one of them, but I have both so can't do that.

From The Dispatch:

 

 

New Albany website addresses emerging details about Intel

 

"The city of New Albany has added new features to its website regarding Intel’s microchip processing plant.

Scott McAfee, spokesperson for the city, said the website is broken into four basic areas: zoning, environment, traffic and general information."

 

https://newalbanyohio.org/answers/new-albany-silicon-heartland/

 

This Dispatch article describes the massive undertaking that will be needed to find the workers to build not only the Intel site, but all of the companies supplying materials to I intel.

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/03/31/intel-ohio-construction-worker-wages-100000/7054217001/

 

"The 3,000 workers who Intel says will be hired to run the two plants the semiconductor company will build in New Albany won't be the only ones to collect a handsome salary for their work.

So will the projected 7,000 construction workers who figure to collect average salaries topping $100,000 a year, say union officials involved in the project. By comparison, Intel says the average wage for its workers at the plant will be $135,000 a year.

"They are wanting to get this done and they're willing to pay for it," said Mike Knisley, secretary-treasurer of the Ohio State Building and Construction Trades Council.

"It's bigger than anything I've ever seen."

 

 

"The council is comprised of 137 trade unions in Ohio that represent about 100,000 construction workers. It is working with the Columbus Building Construction Trades Council to provide what both groups say will be the specialized workforce needed to build and maintain Intel's manufacturing operations here.

 

Intel has yet to announce what contractor will handle the $20 billion project, the biggest economic development project in state history. It has said construction should start this fall with a goal of opening the plants in 2025.

Intel has said the site has the potential to include eight plants, called fabs, with a total investment approaching $100 billion through the rest of the decade. That would make it one of the largest semiconductor sites in the world.

Following Intel will be suppliers building plants at the Intel site or near by, meaning that construction work could continue for years.

"We're trying to get ahead of this thing as much as we can. It's moving fast. I'm very confident we're going to be successful and leave Intel with a good taste three or four years from now,"

The project may need as many as 2,500 pipefitters, 1,700 electricians and 800 sheet metal workers, he said. Workers likely are looking at 10-hour days, five or six days a week, he said.

Counting wages, overtime and benefits, most union workers will pull in at least $100,000 a year, he said. Some may collect as much as $150,000.

The big need for workers means the project will draw local workers, workers who live within an hour or two of the site, and other workers from throughout the country who travel to different jobs, Knisley said. That latter group will live in hotels, recreational vehicles or rent rooms in the area.

"I feel very confident that we'll be able to man this work," he said.

Jim Lenner, a former Johnstown city manager who has formed a consulting company called Neighborhood Strategies, believes many construction workers who come here to work on the Intel project will end up staying. The same thing happened in Chandler, Arizona, outside Phoenix, after Intel established a presence in 1980.

"Those 7,000 temporary workers aren't going to be temporary," he said.

In Chandler, workers built Intel's plants, then were needed to build plants for Intel suppliers. By the time that was done, Intel needed renovations to its operations, he said.

"The more conversations that I've had, eight fabs is not that far away," he said. "Just the way the world is operating, the need for the fabs will push this sooner rather than later.’’

Ohio lawmakers approve $85 million for Intel plant costs

 

"The Ohio legislature has voted to set aside $85 million for development costs associated with a massive planned Intel factory in the Columbus area.

 

The Intel funding would be sent to a newly created economic development fund. State officials said the $85 million is an early installment of the more than $2 billion state officials pledged to help lure the plant.

 

Meghan Wadsworth, a DeWine aide, told a Senate committee earlier this week that the funding is needed to “keep pace with Intel’s aggressive construction schedule” by helping local governments pay for roads, sewer and water infrastructure associated with the project, Gongwer News reported.

 

The Senate President said state lawmakers expect to take up additional Intel-related measures in the coming weeks before breaking for the summer.

 

“Obviously $85 million is a lot of money. But today was relatively speaking an easier lift, since everyone understands when you’re talking about these types of public improvements that are in every town in the state of Ohio,” Huffman said."

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/04/ohio-lawmakers-approve-85-million-for-intel-plant-costs.html

13 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

The Intel funding would be sent to a newly created economic development fund. State officials said the $85 million is an early installment of the more than $2 billion state officials pledged to help lure the plant.

 

Anyone want to run a cost analysis on how long it'll be before the state recoups that $2 billion?

1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Anyone want to run a cost analysis on how long it'll be before the state recoups that $2 billion?

From Bloomberg:

 

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The Santa Clara, California, company said the project is expected to generate more than 20,000 jobs in Ohio, including 3,000 positions earning an average of $135,000 a year, plus benefits. It will add $2.8 billion to Ohio’s annual gross state product and bring in new businesses to support the chip factories, officials said.

Well it looks like it will not be long at all, and that is just with the initial two fabs apparently.

 

And a big chunk of that 2.1 billion will be tax credits spread out over 30 years, so yeah, I think this will be a financial win for the state.

Edited April 7, 20223 yr by Toddguy

4 hours ago, Toddguy said:

From Bloomberg:

 

Well it looks like it will not be long at all, and that is just with the initial two fabs apparently.

 

And a big chunk of that 2.1 billion will be tax credits spread out over 30 years, so yeah, I think this will be a financial win for the state.

 

Not exactly a third party analysis, seeing as it came from Intel itself lol

 

"$2.8 billion to annual gross state product" is entirely irrelevant.  Ohio has no corporate income tax.

It does have Commercial Activity Tax of 0.26 percent.

4 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Not exactly a third party analysis, seeing as it came from Intel itself lol

 

"$2.8 billion to annual gross state product" is entirely irrelevant.  Ohio has no corporate income tax.

You did not ask for a "third party" analysis, and I don't think the 2.8 billion addition will be irrelevant at all. You also never specified what you exactly meant by Ohio "recouping" that 2 billion. In taxes? In wages? In economic benefits?...???  If you want something specific, maybe ask for something specific?

 

Have you seen anywhere where anyone is saying the state won't "recoup" that 2 billion, or if it will, it will take an unacceptable time in which to do so? Can you quote some articles?

 

I think most on here think this is a win for the state. It will certainly be a win for us here in Central Ohio. Don't know where you are, but if in the state I hope your area benefits as well. 

I was out by the Intel site again today...  Momentum seems to be really picking up out here now!

Lots more trees and structures coming down!  The widening of some of the nearby roads has also begun...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And these signs are now up on every property in the area that's up for annexation or a zoning change:

 

Man, tearing all that down before the zoning change goes through. I know they're going to get it but still.

3 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Man, tearing all that down before the zoning change goes through. I know they're going to get it but still.

It means they are chomping at the bit to get this going so everyone(including builders of housing units)who is not blind can see this IS happening and the housing needs to also start NOW don't wait-it is coming for sure. 

 

McMansions in the exurbs, dense infill in places like Easton and in Cbus, Newark as well, not to forget some residential towers downtown...c'mon now developers...it is happening. If they are going this fast for the first two fabs just wait until the other 80 billion comes in...don't miss out! Russia has shown we need to have better supply chains and be in control of more of our input and output-this is only going to push forth the creation of the great Silicon Heartland!  The people are coming! and more will come, and then more, and even more, and you want housing to rent and sell to them right?

 

Got to think positively lol.

2 hours ago, Toddguy said:

It means they are chomping at the bit to get this going so everyone(including builders of housing units)who is not blind can see this IS happening and the housing needs to also start NOW don't wait-it is coming for sure. 

 

McMansions in the exurbs, dense infill in places like Easton and in Cbus, Newark as well, not to forget some residential towers downtown...c'mon now developers...it is happening. If they are going this fast for the first two fabs just wait until the other 80 billion comes in...don't miss out! Russia has shown we need to have better supply chains and be in control of more of our input and output-this is only going to push forth the creation of the great Silicon Heartland!  The people are coming! and more will come, and then more, and even more, and you want housing to rent and sell to them right?

 

Got to think positively lol.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3c_pJ_CLJQ 

Edited April 11, 20223 yr by jonoh81

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3c_pJ_CLJQ 

If they don't build it, nobody will be able to live here without paying outrageous rents. They have been underbuilding for years! Someone make it stop! YOU must do something! lol. Tell them you are leading a horde in from Mexico to Central Ohio! And they all have money and need homes(not all luxury damn it)and apartments.

 

* that was a weird movie to me, but I liked it.

*And good riddance to OT at AWF.

37 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

If they don't build it, nobody will be able to live here without paying outrageous rents. They have been underbuilding for years! Someone make it stop! YOU must do something! lol. Tell them you are leading a horde in from Mexico to Central Ohio! And they all have money and need homes(not all luxury damn it)and apartments.

 

* that was a weird movie to me, but I liked it.

*And good riddance to OT at AWF.

 

Hey, preaching to the choir.  I've been advocating every project be maximized in height/density for years.  And we will get more density and larger projects long-term from all this, but I can only imagine the enormous sprawl that will also be built between Columbus and Newark.  I have no real hope of a cohesive regional plan coming out of this.  It's going to mostly be a free-for-all for developers to see who can put up the most cul-de-sacs on former greenfields.  

I think it's not going to be too long until the banks start financing speculative SFH again. Perhaps not to the degree that they were in 2003, but they're not going to demand every house be sold before it goes up.

 

New Albany City Council officially considers Intel property annexation, rezoning

 

"In fewer than two weeks, New Albany City Council is expected to permanently lay the foundation for Intel to start construction on its $20 billion microchip-processing facility.

 

Council on April 19 gave a first reading to two pieces of legislation, which affect 1,689 acres in Jersey Township, more than 900 of which is dedicated to Intel.

 

The final vote, expected May 3, would change the zoning from agricultural to technology manufacturing district annex the Licking County land into the city of New Albany.

 

The annexation component, which would be approved with an emergency legislation clause, would be effective immediately, but the rezoning would take 30 days, said Scott McAfee, the city's chief communications and marketing officer."

 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/communities/new-albany/2022/04/19/new-albany-ohio-city-council-first-reading-intel-jersey-township-annexation-rezoning/7368839001/

Not sure where else to put this but Intel’s CEO will be giving the commencement speech at Ohio State.

6 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

Not sure where else to put this but Intel’s CEO will be giving the commencement speech at Ohio State.

Here's a link:

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/intel-ceo-speak-at-ohio-states-2022-spring-graduation/530-2648593f-ef08-4bb9-9caa-3d70dab43570

 

Not sure if this was already posted here, or better ones than this for that matter.

 

This rendering (credited to Intel Corp. even though that line appears to not have been copied when I copied this, must have been part of a different image even if they displayed seamlessly) was actually shared moments ago on, of all things, the Park National Corporation (PRK) annual shareholders meeting, which I was attending virtually when I started writing this post (the call ended before I hit "submit reply" but I started this post right away).

 

Just for a sense of scale: It was shared on the call that the smallish-looking building in the upper-middle-right, at the end of the pedestrian bridge, will be 600,000 square feet.

 

Needless to say, Newark-headquartered Park National Corp., parent of Park National Bank, is rather excited for the amount of residential development this plant will likely bring to Newark (and Licking County generally).  It's been a slower year for the bank because they got a sizeable one-time lift in 2020 due to PPP loans and their associated origination fees, which didn't carry over into 2021, and they're also larger than just Newark and Licking County now, but central Ohio is still their home turf and so it's not surprising that this is a major topic of conversation there, all the way up to the board and C-suite level.

I'm not sure what I'm looking at, but the news has been so slow over the last month, anything looks good.

1 hour ago, John7165 said:

I'm not sure what I'm looking at, but the news has been so slow over the last month, anything looks good.

New Albany City Council will make the annexation and zoning changes for the area, including the Intel site, official May 3rd.

 

Grading at the Intel site is supposed to start around July.

 

Most residents in the Jug/Mink area that agreed to sell their house are supposed to be out by June.

 

Some trees and structures are already coming down out there, but we should really see things begin to pick up in the next month or so.

 

I had to run to New Albany a couple hours ago, so I swung over to the Intel site to check out the progress from the last couple weeks since I was out there last...

 

Of course, more trees have been cleared out and more structures have been tore down...

 

Major widening (to five lanes) and reconstruction of Jug Street is well underway now:

 

 

 

 

New electric poles and lines are going up around the site as well:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 27, 20223 yr by CbusOrBust