On 8/31/2022 at 10:28 AM, Pablo said:

I'm not sure where Hottinger got 5 fabs - everything Intel has talked about in in even numbers. Just yesterday an Intel spokesperson mentioned 2, maybe 4 fabs expanding to 8.

 

The "fifth fab" he mentions could actually be an "advanced packaging facility", which has been mentioned for the Central Ohio site but not yet publicly confirmed by Intel.

 

According to this article... "Since sophisticated packaging technologies like embedded multi-die interconnect bridge (EMIB) and Foveros require a cleanroom, it is safe to call the packaging operations a fab. In fact, the equipment for the packaging facility will cost Intel $3.5 billion, the price of a new fab a couple of decades ago."

 

 

This is also from the article in regards to the Central Ohio megacomplex:

 

"Intel is building two fabs in Ohio that are yet to be named, but their significance for Intel and the U.S. chip industry is hard to overestimate. For years, Intel has gradually expanded its mega sites in Arizona, New Mexico, and Oregon. Expanding existing campuses makes a lot of sense since the semiconductor supply chain is very complex. Intel needs support from partners (e.g., raw materials suppliers, parts, etc.) with a local presence.  

 

In Ohio, Intel wants to establish yet another mega site that will house up to eight semiconductor manufacturing facilities (we would include an advanced packaging facility, too, but Intel has not confirmed this). The site will require investments of around $100 billion to be fully built over the next decade. Furthermore, the new campus will require Intel's partners to establish a local presence, which essentially means a major expansion of the U.S. semiconductor supply chain. Actually, of all the chipmakers building new plants in the U.S., only Intel is willing to build a new mega-site from scratch. 

 

In fact, government funding is crucial for Intel's Ohio mega site project. Fab buildings are not expensive (but have the longest lead time), but semiconductor production tools are (e.g., one EUV scanner costs about $160 million). Intel can build shells, but then it needs to equip them with tools in a timely manner to meet its production schedules. Equipping a fab for a leading-edge node means buying all kinds of lithography (including immersion and EUV scanners), coating, etching, deposition, resist removal, inspection, and other tools, which cost billions of dollars." 

 

 

 

The entire article can be found here:

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-us-fabs-everything-we-know

 

 

Edited September 6, 20222 yr by Luvcbus

And the sad thing is Intel is generations behind and nowhere near becoming anything but a supplier for low end devices and PCs. In other words, this is gonna put us in a very very volatile position should they fail - which the probably of is quite large. 

On 9/3/2022 at 7:51 PM, jonoh81 said:

 

It's going to be an absolute clusterf**k of unregulated, low-density sprawl.

But that is what you get when you build in a cornfield.  Higher density, planned housing will not come until decades later when it is built out. 

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

But that is what you get when you build in a cornfield.  Higher density, planned housing will not come until decades later when it is built out. 

 

Given that it's a blank slate, it's actually a perfect opportunity for planning.  It's a lot easier to build well the first time than trying to go back decades later and fix the issues.  America doesn't do this type of planning well, or much at all.

Isn't that the whole concept of New Urbanism? Let's do some planning of this area so that we actually end up with streets that connect rather than the typical cul-de-sacs-that-don't-connect pattern of most American suburbia.

You may get that in a limited area, but given that there are likely many jurisdictions involved it would really not be feasible. You could have Johnstown, as an established muni have higher standards but it would be pretty hard to do with the unincorporated areas near the plant.

Edited September 7, 20222 yr by Brutus_buckeye

34 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

You may get that in a limited area, but given that there are likely many jurisdictions involved it would really not be feasible. You could have Johnstown, as an established muni have higher standards but it would be pretty hard to do with the unincorporated areas near the plant.

 

It's not like multi-jurisdictional regional planning has never happened before.  Central Ohio literally has COTA and MORPC, both of which deal with transportational planning across cities, suburbs and townships. So it's certainly not impossible, it just takes a coordinated effort.

And the justification for going with less sprawl and a higher density, more grid-focused development are numerous. Here are some:

-Higher value per acre: Studies have shown that development within a grid pattern produces one of the highest land values, which is positive for both wealth creation and neighborhood economic sustainability.  

-Taxes: More density means more people within a given area.  This means a much higher tax base potential within a given area over low-density sprawl.

-Infrastructure is subsidized by more people: Contrary to low-density rural or suburban areas, higher density areas can better pay for the necessary infrastructure to sustain them because the associated costs are distributed among a greater population.  This allows for greater fiscal responsibility and higher-quality infrastructure that is maintained more often.  It also means lower overall costs for state and local areas that are not constantly pouring more money into infrastructure that fewer people use.

-Better traffic dispersal: Grid patterns are far superior at handling traffic, as they provide far more route options than the spaghetti patterns of typical American sprawl. 

-Better walkability: Because traffic is handled better, gridded streets can be more narrow and naturally reduce potential car speeds.  This produces a much safer pedestrian and biking experience.  It is also a lot easier to walk to amenities when the street grid is not confusing.

- Better transit access: Transit networks of every kind work far better on grid patterns than in cul-de-sacs. Travel times are reduced and transit can travel further without running into deadends, doublebacks and otherwise confusing layouts.  Sprawl can really only handle cars and maybe standard buses on some of the bigger roadways.  Even BRT would not be ideal.   

-Easier to redevelop: It's a lot easier- and cheaper- to redevelop a gridded block than it is a suburban sprawl block with winding streets.  The latter is really only friendly to single-family homes and low densities, but a grid can easily handle virtually any type of development, making it far more adaptable.  

-Safer: Urban street patterns better allow fire and police to access destinations, school buses to navigate and ambulances to move.  

 

Gridded patterns worked for thousands of years, and then we decided to abandon them to our detriment, but they are still just as overwhelmingly better across the board as ever.  It would be absolutely stupid to develop this area in typical sprawled fashion without any plan whatsoever.  It would not only provide a lot less benefit to every jurisdiction involved, but it would provide far less opportunities to create safe, people-friendly neighborhoods.  

 

And before anyone says it, no, gridded streets don't even have to be initially built with high density.  Even if the plan was to build a street grid with single-family housing only, that would still be better than typical sprawl because of their long-term adaptability and other benefits mentioned.  

 

Edited September 7, 20222 yr by jonoh81

2 hours ago, taestell said:

Isn't that the whole concept of New Urbanism? Let's do some planning of this area so that we actually end up with streets that connect rather than the typical cul-de-sacs-that-don't-connect pattern of most American suburbia.

New Albany could do that, and is, realistically, the only gov't body that can do it out there. The unincorporated areas don't have sewer and water, so you're not going to see any dense development there until that is remedied. It's coming, eventually, with the stalled construction of a new water plant on 310 and water tower(s) to be built on the other side of 161 on Patterson. But Johnstown and the surrounding areas are not populated or governed by people hip to the ideas of being more dense in development. They don't want more people, they moved out there for that reason, and that idea is going to be a battle.  Heck, "liberal ideals" often comes up on the word heat maps for planning conversations! So, that's the baggage developers are going to have to deal with. There's a large populist front growing in the area with the idea that if they ignore and deny that Intel is bringing world-changing development, it won't happen. You WILL see these people running for public office for these townships and munis in coming elections. Contiguous land needs to be purchased and then petitioned to annex into New Albany for any real planned, sustainable development in this area. The rest of western Licking county's head is so far buried in the sand (or other places) that the opportunity is already lost for them.

7 minutes ago, Airsup said:

New Albany could do that, and is, realistically, the only gov't body that can do it out there. The unincorporated areas don't have sewer and water, so you're not going to see any dense development there until that is remedied. It's coming, eventually, with the stalled construction of a new water plant on 310 and water tower(s) to be built on the other side of 161 on Patterson. But Johnstown and the surrounding areas are not populated or governed by people hip to the ideas of being more dense in development. They don't want more people, they moved out there for that reason, and that idea is going to be a battle.  Heck, "liberal ideals" often comes up on the word heat maps for planning conversations! So, that's the baggage developers are going to have to deal with. There's a large populist front growing in the area with the idea that if they ignore and deny that Intel is bringing world-changing development, it won't happen. You WILL see these people running for public office for these townships and munis in coming elections. Contiguous land needs to be purchased and then petitioned to annex into New Albany for any real planned, sustainable development in this area. The rest of western Licking county's head is so far buried in the sand (or other places) that the opportunity is already lost for them.

It would be great if they had some more developments like Evans Farm in that area. 

10 minutes ago, VintageLife said:

It would be great if they had some more developments like Evans Farm in that area. 

They need to have at the very least a number of linear "nodes" of dense development that could at least justify a light rail link from downtown-the airport-Easton-New Albany-on out. I think that is about the best that we can hope for on a macro level. Maybe a number of Bridge Park type places not only along that linear line but scattered about? I think that is about it. That there will be large areas of sprawl and cul-de-sacs is a foregone conclusion-it is a matter of how much ends up that way. See posts about current attitudes up there and the piecemeal jurisdictions currently existing. 

 

This is suburban-exurban Ohio we are talking about. Maybe Newark can get a shot in the arm for it's downtown as well?

Edited September 7, 20222 yr by Toddguy

Johnstown recalled their mayor - there's a lot of drama. I'm not sure if this had anything to do with the changes Intel is creating for the City.

https://myfox28columbus.com/news/local/recall-election-and-intel-groundbreaking-has-johnstown-at-a-crucial-point-licking-county-president-joe-biden-semiconductor-plant

 

More background info here: 

https://www.newarkadvocate.com/story/news/local/2022/08/28/johnstown-residents-vote-tuesday-on-removal-of-council-members/65457187007/

4 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

It's not like multi-jurisdictional regional planning has never happened before.  Central Ohio literally has COTA and MORPC, both of which deal with transportational planning across cities, suburbs and townships. So it's certainly not impossible, it just takes a coordinated effort.

And the justification for going with less sprawl and a higher density, more grid-focused development are numerous. Here are some:

-Higher value per acre: Studies have shown that development within a grid pattern produces one of the highest land values, which is positive for both wealth creation and neighborhood economic sustainability.  

-Taxes: More density means more people within a given area.  This means a much higher tax base potential within a given area over low-density sprawl.

-Infrastructure is subsidized by more people: Contrary to low-density rural or suburban areas, higher density areas can better pay for the necessary infrastructure to sustain them because the associated costs are distributed among a greater population.  This allows for greater fiscal responsibility and higher-quality infrastructure that is maintained more often.  It also means lower overall costs for state and local areas that are not constantly pouring more money into infrastructure that fewer people use.

-Better traffic dispersal: Grid patterns are far superior at handling traffic, as they provide far more route options than the spaghetti patterns of typical American sprawl. 

-Better walkability: Because traffic is handled better, gridded streets can be more narrow and naturally reduce potential car speeds.  This produces a much safer pedestrian and biking experience.  It is also a lot easier to walk to amenities when the street grid is not confusing.

- Better transit access: Transit networks of every kind work far better on grid patterns than in cul-de-sacs. Travel times are reduced and transit can travel further without running into deadends, doublebacks and otherwise confusing layouts.  Sprawl can really only handle cars and maybe standard buses on some of the bigger roadways.  Even BRT would not be ideal.   

-Easier to redevelop: It's a lot easier- and cheaper- to redevelop a gridded block than it is a suburban sprawl block with winding streets.  The latter is really only friendly to single-family homes and low densities, but a grid can easily handle virtually any type of development, making it far more adaptable.  

-Safer: Urban street patterns better allow fire and police to access destinations, school buses to navigate and ambulances to move.  

 

Gridded patterns worked for thousands of years, and then we decided to abandon them to our detriment, but they are still just as overwhelmingly better across the board as ever.  It would be absolutely stupid to develop this area in typical sprawled fashion without any plan whatsoever.  It would not only provide a lot less benefit to every jurisdiction involved, but it would provide far less opportunities to create safe, people-friendly neighborhoods.  

 

And before anyone says it, no, gridded streets don't even have to be initially built with high density.  Even if the plan was to build a street grid with single-family housing only, that would still be better than typical sprawl because of their long-term adaptability and other benefits mentioned.  

 

But typically, that is easier to control in a city/village development vs township. Certainly a developer who controls a large enough tract of land could do something like that but if the land is held by a bunch of individual parties, it is pretty difficult to accomplish something like that and you will most likely end of with the sprawl. Especially since it would be hard to bring an eminent domain action for undeveloped land in a rural area just to hold for future development. This was done years ago until the Supreme Court shot that down and vastly limited it. 

The following article looks into alternate transportation modes from MORPC.   

https://news.wosu.org/2022-09-07/ohio-leaders-say-intels-future-workforce-will-need-public-transportation-options

There is also an interesting state map on internet speeds.

 

I work in the same office complex where Intel has set up initial office space (field office?)  The neat thing is all of the out of state plates on the vehicles with a majority west of the Mississippi.  I am assuming a number being industrial engineers from oil and gas construction.  Ground breaking 10:45 a.m. on Sept. 9 

https://www.nbc4i.com/intel-in-ohio/intel-shares-plan-for-ohio-groundbreaking-with-biden/

 

Intel might not be on top of the chip game, but adding a whole new industry in the state will all of it supporting network will open the door to other Chip manufacturers.  All of this news opens the door for Central Ohio and beyond to find even more industries which would have passed before.

 

Looking forward to the development chaos to begin.  Keep the photo updates coming.  

Edited September 8, 20222 yr by Westervillian

6 hours ago, Airsup said:

New Albany could do that, and is, realistically, the only gov't body that can do it out there. The unincorporated areas don't have sewer and water, so you're not going to see any dense development there until that is remedied. It's coming, eventually, with the stalled construction of a new water plant on 310 and water tower(s) to be built on the other side of 161 on Patterson. But Johnstown and the surrounding areas are not populated or governed by people hip to the ideas of being more dense in development. They don't want more people, they moved out there for that reason, and that idea is going to be a battle.  Heck, "liberal ideals" often comes up on the word heat maps for planning conversations! So, that's the baggage developers are going to have to deal with. There's a large populist front growing in the area with the idea that if they ignore and deny that Intel is bringing world-changing development, it won't happen. You WILL see these people running for public office for these townships and munis in coming elections. Contiguous land needs to be purchased and then petitioned to annex into New Albany for any real planned, sustainable development in this area. The rest of western Licking county's head is so far buried in the sand (or other places) that the opportunity is already lost for them.

If we built denser we'd have less of a footprint... but the general population seems to not understand this. 

I went to the site today. It didn't really rip my face off or anything. Seemed a lot like what is going on at Rickenbacker or even the Google data centers on the South Side and outside Lancaster. Maybe it takes more to impress me as someone who has been around Rickenbacker 30+ years.

10 hours ago, columbus17 said:

If we built denser we'd have less of a footprint... but the general population seems to not understand this. 

 

 

When everything under the sun becomes political, there's no oxygen left in the room for things that make sense.

 

17 hours ago, Pablo said:

Johnstown recalled their mayor - there's a lot of drama. I'm not sure if this had anything to do with the changes Intel is creating for the City.

https://myfox28columbus.com/news/local/recall-election-and-intel-groundbreaking-has-johnstown-at-a-crucial-point-licking-county-president-joe-biden-semiconductor-plant

 

More background info here: 

https://www.newarkadvocate.com/story/news/local/2022/08/28/johnstown-residents-vote-tuesday-on-removal-of-council-members/65457187007/

Yeah the local government of Johnstown is an absolute sh*t show right now. It's like watching a bunch of children fighting on the playground over who gets to use the slide next. 

10 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

I went to the site today. It didn't really rip my face off or anything. Seemed a lot like what is going on at Rickenbacker or even the Google data centers on the South Side and outside Lancaster. Maybe it takes more to impress me as someone who has been around Rickenbacker 30+ years.

 

If you're familiar with the site, you know A LOT has changed in the last six months, mainly house demolition and tree clearing, etc.  Since vertical construction on the first two fabs won't start until the end of the year, right now it's just going to look like a bunch of dirt being moved around.  And since they've built mounds of dirt along most of the perimeter of the site, it's even harder to see further back onto the property.

 

 

It's pretty much SOP to put earthen barriers around industrial development these days if there is any residential left in the vicinity. 

 

And indeed this was my first time ever on Mink and Jug Streets.

Edited September 8, 20222 yr by GCrites80s

 

Intel site from above.

(This looks like it might be from a few weeks back)

 

 

16 hours ago, columbus17 said:

If we built denser we'd have less of a footprint... but the general population seems to not understand this. 

Builders build what the population wants. Right now, people buying in that area want land or more single family. Once it is operational and they have more urban talent, then more denser centers make sense, but right now, you build to what the public wants and what you can recoup your costs and profit from.  While it may be cool to build a city out of cornfield with mix use buildings and mid level density, if it sits for 10 years before filling up no builder will touch it, no bank will lend on it, and no one will be happy with the project.  This is not China where you can build entire cities that are ghost towns 

 

Construction crews setting up tents at the Intel plant site in advance of tomorrow's groundbreaking ceremony.

 

 

 

Still pretty exciting that this is happening right in our backyard...

 

 

"Friday’s event will kick off construction of a $20 billion facility. While Intel announced the facility before the Chips bill passed, it could be the first step towards a $100 billion "full buildout" in Ohio over the coming decade partly made possible by the new law, Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger has said.

 

The Biden administration championed the passage of the CHIPS Act to encourage U.S. chip production after the pandemic spurred a nationwide chip shortage and exacerbated a supply chain crisis. Chips are used in everything from automobiles to mobile phones to home electronics.

 

The Ohio facility is “the biggest investment of its kind ever in our nation,” Biden said during a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday ahead of the trip. “We’re finally bringing home jobs that have been overseas for a while.”

 

The CHIPS Act money will go directly to companies like Intel that can apply beginning in February 2023. Around $28 billion will go to spur new leading-edge manufacturing efforts such as Intel’s. The rest will be fund what the Commerce Department calls “mature and current-generation chips” (approximately $10 billion) and research and development efforts ($11 billion) — including the creation of a National Semiconductor Technology Center.

 

Biden officials hope the money will actually be out the door by next spring and promise a range of projects will receive funding — from modest expansions of existing facilities to complex projects like Intel’s."

 

 

https://www.aol.com/finance/biden-victory-lap-ohio-passage-184422163.html

 

 

3 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Builders build what the population wants. Right now, people buying in that area want land or more single family. Once it is operational and they have more urban talent, then more denser centers make sense, but right now, you build to what the public wants and what you can recoup your costs and profit from.  While it may be cool to build a city out of cornfield with mix use buildings and mid level density, if it sits for 10 years before filling up no builder will touch it, no bank will lend on it, and no one will be happy with the project.  This is not China where you can build entire cities that are ghost towns 

Then you zone some areas for that inevitable single family housing and zone for the denser areas that will fill in. The denser areas will never materialize where they need to be if you do not plan for them in the right areas(so they can access future mass transit and can serve as nodes for larger areas. Let more of that sh*t happen up near Northstar and more away from 71 or near Granville and such.

They should not be building single family homes just wil-illy all over. Maybe New Albany just needs to annex another 50 square miles or so. and come up with a plan.

19 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Then you zone some areas for that inevitable single family housing and zone for the denser areas that will fill in. The denser areas will never materialize where they need to be if you do not plan for them in the right areas(so they can access future mass transit and can serve as nodes for larger areas. Let more of that sh*t happen up near Northstar and more away from 71 or near Granville and such.

They should not be building single family homes just wil-illy all over. Maybe New Albany just needs to annex another 50 square miles or so. and come up with a plan.

Oh they are going to fight tooth and nail from Johnstown to Granville against more urban developments, including in all the townships in that area. Granville is crazy anti-development already, specifically the village. Granville has literally stopped housing from being built in Newark because it was within an area that happened to be in the Granville school district zone.

Edited September 8, 20222 yr by TIm

You're telling me it's not as easy as zoning in SimCity 2000? lol

2 hours ago, Gnoraa said:

You're telling me it's not as easy as zoning in SimCity 2000? lol

In this case, if only!!!!! lol  I looked at that Johnstown political stuff and it looks like an ugly clusterf#$k.

14 hours ago, Gnoraa said:

You're telling me it's not as easy as zoning in SimCity 2000? lol

 

There is plenty of room along Mink for Arcologies!

 

On 9/8/2022 at 7:15 AM, TIm said:

Yeah the local government of Johnstown is an absolute sh*t show right now. It's like watching a bunch of children fighting on the playground over who gets to use the slide next. 

 

So many bash cities for their supposed local government corruption and disfunction, but small towns are next level. Remember New Rome?

 

1 minute timelapse video of Intel site from February 2022- to September 2022:

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/video/intel-in-ohio-timelapse-of-construction-site/7979585/

11 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

So many bash cities for their supposed local government corruption and disfunction, but small towns are next level. Remember New Rome?

Small towns are the absolute worst for government corruption. They can get away with it blatantly in broad daylight. You've got to be a bit sneakier in the cities. It can really turn into a good 'ol boys club where they start focusing on how they can help each other with their power as opposed to how can they help the people they were elected or appointed to represent.

POTUS checks out Intel renderings. (from 10TV's FB page)

 

4 hours ago, TIm said:

Small towns are the absolute worst for government corruption. They can get away with it blatantly in broad daylight. You've got to be a bit sneakier in the cities. It can really turn into a good 'ol boys club where they start focusing on how they can help each other with their power as opposed to how can they help the people they were elected or appointed to represent.

 

Unfortunately it's only going to get worse as small-town newspapers continue to decline or disappear. There is very little neutral coverage about the day-to-day happenings in most small town governments. Even being proactive and attending council meetings doesn't really give the average citizen a good overview of the whole picture. The metro area newspapers and TV stations might finally cover a situation once charges are filed, or something on the level of a recall or dissolution hits the ballot (possibly after the vote). The only time you hear about local government in the news is after things go very wrong.

 

In my experience the online (Facebook) chatter which fills some of the news vacuum is suspect gossip at best, and only ever negative. Particularly for small towns where (stereotyping a bit) a large portion of the population defaults to an anti-government stance. Requests for additional revenue or news of a budget shortfall from any level of local government are met with claims of "mismanagement" and "follow the money". Those making the most noise typically have no idea how local government actually works, and a fair number of that group doesn't even realize they live in the surrounding township.

 

I have no idea the specifics of the current fiasco in Johnstown. I've had little luck finding any real information about the situation, just coverage of the recall. Hopefully the reasoning is good - previously-disinterested voters realizing they need a competent local government - but I have my doubts. None of this gives me confidence the surrounding communities are really prepared for the upcoming growth pressures and other demands that will be placed on them very soon.

Edited September 9, 20222 yr by mrCharlie

This is basically how I think the area should develop, via a map.  Lots of mixed-density residential on a street grid, a mixed-use corridor along 62, streets upgraded to bike/transit boulevards, etc.  

 

https://www.allcolumbusdata.com/how-we-should-develop-around-intel/

5 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

So many bash cities for their supposed local government corruption and disfunction, but small towns are next level. Remember New Rome?

But at least with small towns there is more accountability and you know where the buck stops. Big cities have too many layers and there is the opportunity for plausible deniability by corrupt leaders. It is harder to keep them in line. Small towns are just more plentiful and you have to deal with a lot more people who are in control of their fiefdoms but that is often easier than dealing with the large city bureaucracy  

1 minute ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

But at least with small towns there is more accountability and you know where the buck stops. Big cities have too many layers and there is the opportunity for plausible deniability by corrupt leaders. It is harder to keep them in line. Small towns are just more plentiful and you have to deal with a lot more people who are in control of their fiefdoms but that is often easier than dealing with the large city bureaucracy  

 

lol, you've never lived in a small town.  It's a good-old-boys network top to bottom.  Cities are far more accountable and it's not even close.  

1 minute ago, jonoh81 said:

 

lol, you've never lived in a small town.  It's a good-old-boys network top to bottom.  Cities are far more accountable and it's not even close.  

I have worked with small towns, townships, and cities. It is so much easier to get things done through the small town if it is outside the box than in the big city. I do not like dealing with city administration on projects because too often than not the elected officials get in the way (of course i have been jaded a bit by the last 4 years in cincinnati with their corrupt council),

14 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I have worked with small towns, townships, and cities. It is so much easier to get things done through the small town if it is outside the box than in the big city. I do not like dealing with city administration on projects because too often than not the elected officials get in the way (of course i have been jaded a bit by the last 4 years in cincinnati with their corrupt council),

Quit derailing the thread and take all of this somewhere else unless it is specifically dealing with this development or area. Thanks.

Interview with Intel Ohio GM:

 

Intel Ohio GM Jim Evers updates construction, hiring timeline for New Albany semiconductor fabs
 

“Catch us up on how development of the site and your workforce is going to date. Pretty good. Actually, the construction is ahead of schedule. Even though today was a ceremonial groundbreaking, there's a nice big hole that's being dug for the construction phase of that one. It's gonna take a couple of years to do that.
 

When will we start seeing vertical construction?That's a little bit later. You have basically all the underground stuff, and then it takes a while to build that up. So that'll probably be closer toward the end of '23 to '24.
 

How's your supply chain going, getting the folks you need nearby? (Intel has 140 suppliers with a presence already in the state and is encouraging more. Some already are expanding.) Great. We had a supplier day session where we brought all the Ohio team to share: Here's all the land that's available, all the benefits. I really encouraged (the suppliers): I said, 'Listen, Chips Act is done. We're moving forward, you all better get ready as well and start getting going.' The feedback I've received is that, 'OK, that spurred a lot of interest.' 'OK, I better find my spot as well in Ohio.' So that's great to hear.”

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/12/intel-groundbreaking-jim-evers-interview.html

 

I hadn't seen the list of Intel's "preferred quality suppliers" until I ran across this a little earlier...

 

Intel’s groundbreaking in Ohio is only the beginning

 

"The new plant’s general manager stopped short of sharing any business names that could be following Intel on its Ohio venture. However, in 2016 the company did share 27 companies that it called “preferred quality suppliers,” for its other American plants.

 

This list from Intel demonstrates the potential companies and types of industries that could be coming to Central Ohio."

 

The list of 27 can be found at the bottom of the page in this link:

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/intel-in-ohio/intels-groundbreaking-in-ohio-is-only-the-beginning/

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Luvcbus said:

 

I hadn't seen the list of Intel's "preferred quality suppliers" until I ran across this a little earlier...

 

Intel’s groundbreaking in Ohio is only the beginning

 

"The new plant’s general manager stopped short of sharing any business names that could be following Intel on its Ohio venture. However, in 2016 the company did share 27 companies that it called “preferred quality suppliers,” for its other American plants.

 

This list from Intel demonstrates the potential companies and types of industries that could be coming to Central Ohio."

 

The list of 27 can be found at the bottom of the page in this link:

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/intel-in-ohio/intels-groundbreaking-in-ohio-is-only-the-beginning/

 

 

 

 

Here is the list and where each company is Headquartered:

 

* Amkor Technology - Tempe, AZ

* ASM International - Geauga County, OH

* Daewon Semiconductor Packaging Industrial Co. Ltd - Hanam, South Korea

* Daifuku - Osaka, Japan

* Disco Corporation - Tokyo, Japan

* EBARA Corporation - Tokyo, Japan

* Edwards Vacuum LLC - West Sussex, England

* Fujimi Corporation - Tualatin, Oregon

* Hitachi High-Technologies Corporation - Tokyo, Japan

* Hitachi Kokusai Electric Inc - Tokyo, Japan

* JLL - Chicago, IL

* KLA-Tencor Corporation - Milpitas, CA

* Lam Research Corporation - Fremont, CA

* Mitsubishi Gas Chemical Company Inc - Tokyo, Japan

* ModusLink Global Solutions Inc - Smyrna, TN

* Murata Machinery Ltd - Kyoto, Japan

* The PEER Group Inc - Kitchener, Ontario

* SCREEN Semiconductor Solutions Co. Ltd - Kyoto, Japan

* Shin Etsu Chemical Co., Ltd - Tokyo, Japan

* Shinko Electric Industries Co. Ltd - Nagano, Japan

* Siltronic AG - Munich, Germany

* Tokyo Ohka Kogyo Co. Ltd - Kawasaki, Japan

* Tosoh SMD, Inc - Grove City, OH

* Tosoh Quartz Inc - Portland, OR

* VWR - Radnor, PA

* Veolia North America - Boston, MA

* Nanium (acquired by Amkor) - Porto, Portugal (Tempe, AZ)

 

Assuming many of these vendors set up shop relatively nearby, this should increase demand for flights to Japan. If I remember correctly, Japan was one of the most popular international destinations out of CMH before the pandemic and was one of the reasons we got a direct flight to SFO. I don't know that we would ever get to the point were a direct flight to Tokyo would be necessary, but this should help drive up demand for more flights to the West Coast.

Here is the list and where each company is Headquartered:

 

* JLL - Chicago, IL

 

JLL, we are here ready to roll. 

16 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Here is the list and where each company is Headquartered:

 

* Amkor Technology - Tempe, AZ

* ASM International - Geauga County, OH

* Daewon Semiconductor Packaging Industrial Co. Ltd - Hanam, South Korea

* Daifuku - Osaka, Japan

* Disco Corporation - Tokyo, Japan

* EBARA Corporation - Tokyo, Japan

* Edwards Vacuum LLC - West Sussex, England

* Fujimi Corporation - Tualatin, Oregon

* Hitachi High-Technologies Corporation - Tokyo, Japan

* Hitachi Kokusai Electric Inc - Tokyo, Japan

* JLL - Chicago, IL

* KLA-Tencor Corporation - Milpitas, CA

* Lam Research Corporation - Fremont, CA

* Mitsubishi Gas Chemical Company Inc - Tokyo, Japan

* ModusLink Global Solutions Inc - Smyrna, TN

* Murata Machinery Ltd - Kyoto, Japan

* The PEER Group Inc - Kitchener, Ontario

* SCREEN Semiconductor Solutions Co. Ltd - Kyoto, Japan

* Shin Etsu Chemical Co., Ltd - Tokyo, Japan

* Shinko Electric Industries Co. Ltd - Nagano, Japan

* Siltronic AG - Munich, Germany

* Tokyo Ohka Kogyo Co. Ltd - Kawasaki, Japan

* Tosoh SMD, Inc - Grove City, OH

* Tosoh Quartz Inc - Portland, OR

* VWR - Radnor, PA

* Veolia North America - Boston, MA

* Nanium (acquired by Amkor) - Porto, Portugal (Tempe, AZ)

 

Assuming many of these vendors set up shop relatively nearby, this should increase demand for flights to Japan. If I remember correctly, Japan was one of the most popular international destinations out of CMH before the pandemic and was one of the reasons we got a direct flight to SFO. I don't know that we would ever get to the point were a direct flight to Tokyo would be necessary, but this should help drive up demand for more flights to the West Coast.

Already have a sizable Japanese business presence in the area thanks to Honda coming here all those years ago and they were followed by a few others. Mitsubishi International Food Imports has a fairly sizable staff as well. If we see even 1/3rd of those Japanese businesses set up some extension of their operation here I say good chance you see more flights out of CMH to Japan, although I doubt there will be direct flights daily maybe more so just a few days a week at best.

11 minutes ago, TIm said:

Already have a sizable Japanese business presence in the area thanks to Honda coming here all those years ago and they were followed by a few others. Mitsubishi International Food Imports has a fairly sizable staff as well. If we see even 1/3rd of those Japanese businesses set up some extension of their operation here I say good chance you see more flights out of CMH to Japan, although I doubt there will be direct flights daily maybe more so just a few days a week at best.

 

Even with the potential of more Japan-CMH business travel, I think it will be tough to swing a direct flight. That is an extremely long flight, so they'll need to be sure they'll have very strong load factors to make the numbers work. It's not out of the realm of possibility though. The retail companies in Columbus also do a lot of travel to Asia. They don't do much travel to Japan specifically, but a direct flight to Tokyo could be partially sustained by the retail companies as it could act as a connection to China, Vietnam, etc. where a lot of their vendors are located.

 

"Recently released rendering of one of the buildings Intel plans to build on its sprawling 925-acre site in New Albany"

 

I was curious about any OH 161 improvements and found the following from ODOT: https://newalbanyohio.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/ODOT-SR-161-Fact-Sheet.pdf. I think more will eventually be needed, especially as the Mink Road underpass is undersized and really can't be expanded from its 3 lane configuration.

 

The data centers shouldn't really add too much traffic as they typically have less than 50 employees per site, but Intel is a different story.

 

An article in The Business Journal, a publication out of Youngstown, had a few interesting tidbits in it today:

 

$20 Billion Intel Project Reverberates Across Ohio

 

"According to Intel, a manufacturing complex this size would likely require hundreds of suppliers, which in turn would create hundreds of other spinoff jobs across the state. Intel’s manufacturing plant in Chandler, Ariz., for example, relies on a local network of more than 1,000 companies to directly supply the factory.

 

In January, some of Intel’s top-tier suppliers announced that they would invest in new operations in Ohio to support the $20 billion project.

 

At present, some 140 companies in Ohio already do business with Intel. "There are also suppliers to these suppliers,” Karp says. “I would imagine that number would triple or quadruple.”

 

"What sets Intel’s Ohio plans apart from any other project is its size and scope. No one has ever seen an investment like this. It’s the epitome of high-tech manufacturing.”

 

"The magnitude of this project will have a ripple effect across the state,” says Guy Coviello, president and CEO of the Youngstown/Warren Regional Chamber. “We don’t know how big the ripple will be because we’ve never had a project this big.”

 

 

Full story here:

 

https://businessjournaldaily.com/article/intel-reverberates-across-ohio/

 

 

Another new rendering shows a little more of what we can expect to see at the Intel site as construction moves along

 

13 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

 

Another new rendering shows a little more of what we can expect to see at the Intel site as construction moves along

 

I'm no expert, but that thing is massive! Actually looks kinda cool to, not like those big smooth rectangles that the spec manufacturing and warehouse buildings typically look like.

I ran across a few more renderings, but most of them seem to be focused on the office building portion of the first phase...

 

In case anyone's interested, here's some of them:

 

 

 

 

 

Below is the "enhanced landscaping view of main site entrance at Green Chapel Road & Entry Drive 2"

 

 

 

And here's another aerial view similar to the ones we've seen used numerous times but this one looks to have a little more detail than the one's released when the project was first announced

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 17, 20222 yr by Luvcbus