Couple concerning quotes in an article out today about how some officials in Licking County view some of the imminent upcoming growth due to Intel...

 

Grow Licking County prepares for faster growth than ever imagined with Intel

 

"When local officials chose the name Grow Licking County for the fledgling public-private partnership a decade ago, they certainly envisioned the county would grow. That was the goal after all.

 

But nobody could have envisioned the pace of growth that certainly lies ahead for a county that will be home to Intel Corporation's $20 billion computer chip manufacturing facility on 1,000 acres of Jersey Township land just south of Johnstown that has been annexed into New Albany.

 

"We need housing for residents in every stage of their life,” Fitzsimmons said. “Young professionals, young families, starter homes, condos, single-family homes.”

 

Jim Roberts, a GLC board member and vice president of Hull and Associates civil engineering, land surveying, environmental and energy firm, said multi-family housing is despised by many.

 

"I think developers are ready to just swarm into Licking County and are capable of doing that," Roberts said. "I think the water and sewer and roadway challenges, while huge, are surmountable. But I’ve sat in a couple meetings where I’ve just sort of heard some 1970s thinking about growth.

 

“Some of the local governments are just horrified at the idea of apartments. They’re thinking of the old Section 8 housing. I don’t know how we impact that, how we influence that, how we make them understand that could be a real positive thing. I think that’s a huge challenge."

 

 

Yikes.

 

 

Full story found here:

 

https://news.yahoo.com/grow-licking-county-prepares-faster-091421000.html

 

 

 

 

Edited September 18, 20222 yr by Luvcbus

The sprawl in this area will be incredible. 

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“Some of the local governments are just horrified at the idea of apartments. They’re thinking of the old Section 8 housing.

No way of sugar coating it. For all of the benefits of Intel and the high level of pay their employees will receive, if Section 8 come into your neighborhood, you're in trouble.

4 hours ago, John7165 said:

No way of sugar coating it. For all of the benefits of Intel and the high level of pay their employees will receive, if Section 8 come into your neighborhood, you're in trouble.

 

Huh?  The apartments that would be built are almost certainly not going to be Section 8, but having mixed-income neighborhoods  has been shown to be economically beneficial to all.  The problem with low-income housing 50 years ago was that racist governments wanted it all to go into the same place, concentrated away from everyone else.  And concentrated poverty is horrific for improving the lives of those residents.  But having a percentage of units be low-income in otherwise market-rate buildings doesn't produce those negative outcomes.  Also, Section 8 housing recipients have no worse crime rates than the rest of the population. Studies often show that most Section 8 housing typically goes into neighborhoods that already have elevated levels of crime- which is then unfairly associated with the low-income housing by the public- but that Section 8 itself plays no statistical role in increasing it.  In fact, there is even evidence that Section 8 may actually have a mitigating factor on neighborhood crime rates. 

It's similar to the belief that people on welfare have greater rates of drug use, something studies also haven't found.  Basically, everyone wants to crap on poor people because certain things about them sound reasonable, but then the evidence just isn't there. 

 

Edited September 19, 20222 yr by jonoh81

14 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Huh?  The apartments that would be built are almost certainly not going to be Section 8, but having mixed-income neighborhoods  has been shown to be economically beneficial to all.  The problem with low-income housing 50 years ago was that racist governments wanted it all to go into the same place, concentrated away from everyone else.  And concentrated poverty is horrific for improving the lives of those residents.  But having a percentage of units be low-income in otherwise market-rate buildings doesn't produce those negative outcomes.  Also, Section 8 housing recipients have no worse crime rates than the rest of the population. Studies often show that most Section 8 housing typically goes into neighborhoods that already have elevated levels of crime- which is then unfairly associated with the low-income housing by the public- but that Section 8 itself plays no statistical role in increasing it.  In fact, there is even evidence that Section 8 may actually have a mitigating factor on neighborhood crime rates. 

It's similar to the belief that people on welfare have greater rates of drug use, something studies also haven't found.  Basically, everyone wants to crap on poor people because certain things about them sound reasonable, but then the evidence just isn't there. 

 

Also many people in Section 8 housing are elderly and/or disabled and are not going to be problematic. Classism in alive and well in Licking County.

19 hours ago, John7165 said:

No way of sugar coating it. For all of the benefits of Intel and the high level of pay their employees will receive, if Section 8 come into your neighborhood, you're in trouble.

There is always a negative perception of apartments that people have that makes it difficult to develop them in nice suburbs. No matter what you have the same stories from those opposed to development.

1) It will be a bunch of section 8 housing. If not now, in 10 years when a new owner takes over

2) a bunch of Mexicans will fill the units and there will be 30 people living in a 2 bed apartment. 

3) It will overburden the school system with an influx of young families who are not paying property taxes. 

4) It will create light pollution, disturb the quality of the surrounding housing in the area and add traffic.

 

All of these are just scare tactics but work. While there is some legitimacy to #4, the rest are just boogie man tactics from prior years. 

1) Section 8 will not be there because the price of newly constructed units will be too much for Section 8 to pay. These are not going to be low income units that are built.

2) A new apartment complex and well managed complex makes sure to ensure that only 2 people per bedroom are occupying the apartment. 

3) Just because the resident does not directly pay property taxes, these taxes are built into their rent so they are in fact indirectly paying. 

 

Section 8 is a decent program on the whole. The problem with Section 8 is not the resident but it is the government agency administering it. Property owners do not like to take Section 8 because of the burdensome bureaucracy created by the local housing agency. That being said, some housing agencies are much better than others. Franklin County is god awful. Hamilton County is pretty poor too. Often times, the border counties are pretty easy to work with. I imagine that Licking county would not be a bad county to work with on Section 8 housing. 

On 9/18/2022 at 8:22 PM, jonoh81 said:

ection 8 housing recipients have no worse crime rates than the rest of the population. Studies often show that most Section 8 housing typically goes into neighborhoods that already have elevated levels of crime- which is then unfairly associated with the low-income housing by the public- but that Section 8 itself plays no statistical role in increasing it. 

Not to get too far off topic but, Section 8 units tend to be located in the areas that are not as nice primarily because the property owners in other areas have more options to get good tenants in place without resorting to Section 8. Section 8 tenants are not the problem. They know that if they cause issues, they lose their voucher and will never get it back. For a senior on a fixed income it is a big deal. Problem is that the housing agency is the biggest impediment toward getting people to take Section 8 renters so the only owners who take section 8 are going to be located in bad areas because those property owners know it is worth the headache of dealing with the housing agency to get the rent vs the market rate renter. 

 

 

 

Ohio EPA issues air permit-to-install for Intel project

 

"State environmental regulators Tuesday gave Intel a permit needed to install equipment and operate its developing semiconductor manufacturing facilities.

 

The air permit-to-install was a regulatory step that Intel met after the company showed the Ohio EPA that air quality standards would be met by its semiconductor manufacturing operations.

 

The state regulator said the modeling showed emission levels in the permit would not cause or contribute to an exceedance of any national air quality standard. The analysis, they said, showed no adverse health or welfare effects would be expected from air emissions at Intel's facility."

 

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/local/ohio-epa-issues-air-permit-to-install-for-intel-project

 

 

On 9/16/2022 at 8:40 AM, TIm said:

I'm no expert, but that thing is massive! Actually looks kinda cool to, not like those big smooth rectangles that the spec manufacturing and warehouse buildings typically look like.

 

They are massive!

 

Check out this pic I ran across of "Intel Ireland Fab 34 Manufacturing Expansion" 

 

On 9/18/2022 at 2:54 PM, Luvcbus said:

 

Couple concerning quotes in an article out today about how some officials in Licking County view some of the imminent upcoming growth due to Intel...

 

Grow Licking County prepares for faster growth than ever imagined with Intel

 

"When local officials chose the name Grow Licking County for the fledgling public-private partnership a decade ago, they certainly envisioned the county would grow. That was the goal after all.

 

But nobody could have envisioned the pace of growth that certainly lies ahead for a county that will be home to Intel Corporation's $20 billion computer chip manufacturing facility on 1,000 acres of Jersey Township land just south of Johnstown that has been annexed into New Albany.

 

"We need housing for residents in every stage of their life,” Fitzsimmons said. “Young professionals, young families, starter homes, condos, single-family homes.”

 

Jim Roberts, a GLC board member and vice president of Hull and Associates civil engineering, land surveying, environmental and energy firm, said multi-family housing is despised by many.

 

"I think developers are ready to just swarm into Licking County and are capable of doing that," Roberts said. "I think the water and sewer and roadway challenges, while huge, are surmountable. But I’ve sat in a couple meetings where I’ve just sort of heard some 1970s thinking about growth.

 

“Some of the local governments are just horrified at the idea of apartments. They’re thinking of the old Section 8 housing. I don’t know how we impact that, how we influence that, how we make them understand that could be a real positive thing. I think that’s a huge challenge."

 

 

Yikes.

 

 

Full story found here:

 

https://news.yahoo.com/grow-licking-county-prepares-faster-091421000.html

 

 

 

 

Sounds like a great opportunity for Columbus. It's a neat 30-minute commute from downtown. 20 minutes from Easton. If Licking County won't build housing for these people, it's their loss.

12 minutes ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Sounds like a great opportunity for Columbus. It's a neat 30-minute commute from downtown. 20 minutes from Easton. If Licking County won't build housing for these people, it's their loss.

Exactly, they are going to live somewhere so you either accommodate or lose out, and then have to play catch-up for the next 20 years. 

15 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Sounds like a great opportunity for Columbus. It's a neat 30-minute commute from downtown. 20 minutes from Easton. If Licking County won't build housing for these people, it's their loss.

All it will take is one dense multi-family project to be successful and they'll change their minds. Once they see the dollar signs they'll happily change their tune.

16 hours ago, LlamaLawyer said:

Sounds like a great opportunity for Columbus. It's a neat 30-minute commute from downtown. 20 minutes from Easton. If Licking County won't build housing for these people, it's their loss.

 

I really am hoping there is a spillover effect to the urban area of Columbus. While the commute as it stands now isn't bad, it will certainly get worse. I really hope a push is made to expand some kind of reliable transit to New Albany, even if it's in the form of an express bus initially. The MTA in NYC and NJ Transit run motor coach busses on longer transit routes, maybe COTA could adopt something similar to make the ride more appealing. A downtown - CMH - Easton - New Albany - Intel - Granville - Newark line would be an incredible start.

1 hour ago, TIm said:

All it will take is one dense multi-family project to be successful and they'll change their minds. Once they see the dollar signs they'll happily change their tune.

 

No it won't. They exist. They exist in this city. But people and communities with those mentalities don't care. Density mean negative consequences to them, period. 

 

Boy, would be a great time for Easton to really amp up the residential component of their Live-Work-Play mega site. 

42 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

 

No it won't. They exist. They exist in this city. But people and communities with those mentalities don't care. Density mean negative consequences to them, period. 

 

Boy, would be a great time for Easton to really amp up the residential component of their Live-Work-Play mega site. 

 

To be fair to them, they live in a low density area because that's something that they likely value and enjoy. If they valued/enjoyed high density areas, they would be living somewhere else. I don't think we should be demeaning people simply for wanting to live outside of the city and then being a bit uptight when the city suddenly starts to encroach on them.

 

Unfortunately, their preferences are going to clash with the needs brought about by the Intel-related growth that's about to happen. I fully respect that not everyone has the same living preferences, but I hope that the people in charge of these communities can proceed with an open mind and do their best to do what's best for the area as a whole in terms of what they allow to be built. It sucks that the best development strategy will likely clash with their personal preferences, but that's unfortunately what happens to certain areas sometimes. 

15 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

To be fair to them, they live in a low density area because that's something that they likely value and enjoy. If they valued/enjoyed high density areas, they would be living somewhere else. I don't think we should be demeaning people simply for wanting to live outside of the city and then being a bit uptight when the city suddenly starts to encroach on them.

 

Unfortunately, their preferences are going to clash with the needs brought about by the Intel-related growth that's about to happen. I fully respect that not everyone has the same living preferences, but I hope that the people in charge of these communities can proceed with an open mind and do their best to do what's best for the area as a whole in terms of what they allow to be built. It sucks that the best development strategy will likely clash with their personal preferences, but that's unfortunately what happens to certain areas sometimes. 

As someone who lives out in this area, and moved here for this "low density" reason, I thank you for considering that. I also moved out here darn well knowing what the future was going to eventually bring. No one would have thought something on the scale of Intel would happen, but it did, and people are dealing with that in different ways. Many out here are combative and head in the sand. Thankfully, there's a large, quiet contingent of people that accept it and know that we need to plan and prepare. Without going in to too much detail to continue enjoying anonymity, I'm involved in a couple of different aspects of planning in the area and have a pretty good idea of what's going on, what's being worked on, and what's realistic. We can plan and demonstrate the value in certain denser zoning, but you have to remember - there are real people, many of them multi-generational that grew up on the same property as their parents and dreamed the same for their children, that vote and staff the local governments. There are going to have to be many, many flavors of development and restrictions for different communities. I absolutely do not want 5 over 1's built in my community. That doesn't make me some anti-development hayseed, it makes me aware of my community and what is good for it.

2 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

 

No it won't. They exist. They exist in this city. But people and communities with those mentalities don't care. Density mean negative consequences to them, period. 

 

Boy, would be a great time for Easton to really amp up the residential component of their Live-Work-Play mega site. 

 

Easton needs to get going on those 40-story towers.

1 hour ago, cbussoccer said:

 

To be fair to them, they live in a low density area because that's something that they likely value and enjoy. If they valued/enjoyed high density areas, they would be living somewhere else. I don't think we should be demeaning people simply for wanting to live outside of the city and then being a bit uptight when the city suddenly starts to encroach on them.

 

Unfortunately, their preferences are going to clash with the needs brought about by the Intel-related growth that's about to happen. I fully respect that not everyone has the same living preferences, but I hope that the people in charge of these communities can proceed with an open mind and do their best to do what's best for the area as a whole in terms of what they allow to be built. It sucks that the best development strategy will likely clash with their personal preferences, but that's unfortunately what happens to certain areas sometimes. 

 

Yeah, but we have people who live in urban neighborhoods who should have no expectation of low-density development and they still act like that. Sure, some people in Licking County are worried about changing the kind of lifestyle they have now, but change is going to happen whether they like it or not at this point. So they either roll with it and get the best outcome possible, or they fight it and ensure only the worst- and arguably most damaging- forms of sprawl get built. Or they can move. There is no longer any reality in which the status quo can be maintained.  

1 hour ago, Airsup said:

As someone who lives out in this area, and moved here for this "low density" reason, I thank you for considering that. I also moved out here darn well knowing what the future was going to eventually bring. No one would have thought something on the scale of Intel would happen, but it did, and people are dealing with that in different ways. Many out here are combative and head in the sand. Thankfully, there's a large, quiet contingent of people that accept it and know that we need to plan and prepare. Without going in to too much detail to continue enjoying anonymity, I'm involved in a couple of different aspects of planning in the area and have a pretty good idea of what's going on, what's being worked on, and what's realistic. We can plan and demonstrate the value in certain denser zoning, but you have to remember - there are real people, many of them multi-generational that grew up on the same property as their parents and dreamed the same for their children, that vote and staff the local governments. There are going to have to be many, many flavors of development and restrictions for different communities. I absolutely do not want 5 over 1's built in my community. That doesn't make me some anti-development hayseed, it makes me aware of my community and what is good for it.

 

Issues of quality aside, why would 5-over-1 type density be bad for the community vs. low-density sprawl that factually would cause far more community problems in the long run?  

1 hour ago, Airsup said:

As someone who lives out in this area, and moved here for this "low density" reason, I thank you for considering that. I also moved out here darn well knowing what the future was going to eventually bring. No one would have thought something on the scale of Intel would happen, but it did, and people are dealing with that in different ways. Many out here are combative and head in the sand. Thankfully, there's a large, quiet contingent of people that accept it and know that we need to plan and prepare. Without going in to too much detail to continue enjoying anonymity, I'm involved in a couple of different aspects of planning in the area and have a pretty good idea of what's going on, what's being worked on, and what's realistic. We can plan and demonstrate the value in certain denser zoning, but you have to remember - there are real people, many of them multi-generational that grew up on the same property as their parents and dreamed the same for their children, that vote and staff the local governments. There are going to have to be many, many flavors of development and restrictions for different communities. I absolutely do not want 5 over 1's built in my community. That doesn't make me some anti-development hayseed, it makes me aware of my community and what is good for it.

But what do you define as "your community"?  All of Licking County, your township, your neighborhood, subdivision? The vast majority of the place is not consistent with that type of development anyway. The goal is to get it where it is appropriate, as in by transit corridors, relatively small nodes, etc. where it can take advantage of possible mass transit in the future. Close to the freeways would make sense, rather than farther away. You don't need to develop that kind of density in very many places to make a big difference. Nobody is envisioning mile after mile of 25-50,000 person per square mile development. 

 

The problem is when you get people with the "NO APARTMENTS" thinking. Renters are "transients" who are to be avoided at all costs-while SFH's are increasingly out of reach and half of the metro rents. There is not one size fits all solution-but that goes for both ends-you will have large lot SFH sprawl as a given but will you have the 5 over ones where they actually make sense?

37 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Easton needs to get going on those 40-story towers.

It is sad that our hopes rest on Easton and New Albany-given what is coming out of Licking County itself regarding development. We have to hope that New Albany just annexes everything in sight and has at least some vision for modern smart development.  smh.

3 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

 

No it won't. They exist. They exist in this city. But people and communities with those mentalities don't care. Density mean negative consequences to them, period. 

 

Boy, would be a great time for Easton to really amp up the residential component of their Live-Work-Play mega site. 

I just can't subscribe to this pessimistic view. You can see it literally happening in Clintonville right now so it does happen.

53 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Issues of quality aside, why would 5-over-1 type density be bad for the community vs. low-density sprawl that factually would cause far more community problems in the long run?  

There's currently no infrastructure to support that type of development or influx of people. They cant just built and expect roads (not just the road, but now hiring of more people that clear it of snow and fill the pot holes), water and sewer services, police (trust me, the Sheriff is not going to cut it), increased fire, gov't admin/support staff (zoning, inspection, other back office demands), increased maintenance budgets, schools and busing (many kids in Northridge SD are already on a bus much longer than 1 hour day). Drinking from the fire hose like that will drown these smaller communities. Development like that needs to be ramped up slowly so the the local gov't can support it and it MUST be PAY to PLAY for the developers. Budgets are stretched extremely thin as it is in most places, and our small communities aren't seeing big handouts from the state or federal gov't like Intel is. Many people are hesitant to go into business with SLCWSD for water and sewer over their past practices and their increased interest in promoting JED's for their own financial benefit. They have a fantastic lawyer dog and pony show team that's been making the rounds since January.

 

5 over 1- type of development around Intel sure, they've got NA. Johnstown? Maybe after their civil war is over. East of that to Newark? I don't see anyone capable of supporting denser development, at this time, other than the village of Granville and that's very unlikely to happen. Without some major funding, I just don't see how it could be done correctly.

 

The biggest benefit for the TJ Evans Foundation "Framework" will be a countywide comprehensive plan so communities can plan where those larger developments go and not just haphazardly around because there was open space there.

 

25 minutes ago, Airsup said:

There's currently no infrastructure to support that type of development or influx of people. They cant just built and expect roads (not just the road, but now hiring of more people that clear it of snow and fill the pot holes), water and sewer services, police (trust me, the Sheriff is not going to cut it), increased fire, gov't admin/support staff (zoning, inspection, other back office demands), increased maintenance budgets, schools and busing (many kids in Northridge SD are already on a bus much longer than 1 hour day). Drinking from the fire hose like that will drown these smaller communities. Development like that needs to be ramped up slowly so the the local gov't can support it and it MUST be PAY to PLAY for the developers. Budgets are stretched extremely thin as it is in most places, and our small communities aren't seeing big handouts from the state or federal gov't like Intel is. Many people are hesitant to go into business with SLCWSD for water and sewer over their past practices and their increased interest in promoting JED's for their own financial benefit. They have a fantastic lawyer dog and pony show team that's been making the rounds since January.

 

5 over 1- type of development around Intel sure, they've got NA. Johnstown? Maybe after their civil war is over. East of that to Newark? I don't see anyone capable of supporting denser development, at this time, other than the village of Granville and that's very unlikely to happen. Without some major funding, I just don't see how it could be done correctly.

 

The biggest benefit for the TJ Evans Foundation "Framework" will be a countywide comprehensive plan so communities can plan where those larger developments go and not just haphazardly around because there was open space there.

 

Heath is absolutely ripe for high density residential development, or just development in general. The town is literally a strip mall with a few single family home neighborhoods and some "rural" areas outside the 79 area. So much empty land right on or around 79 that would be great for mixed use developments. 

15 minutes ago, TIm said:

Heath is absolutely ripe for high density residential development, or just development in general. The town is literally a strip mall with a few single family home neighborhoods and some "rural" areas outside the 79 area. So much empty land right on or around 79 that would be great for mixed use developments. 

Heath and Hebron are stepping up and that is exactly where you're going to see the initial wave of residential development to support the Intel driven growth.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Airsup said:

Heath and Hebron are stepping up and that is exactly where you're going to see the initial wave of residential development to support the Intel driven growth.

 

 

Newark as well!  Newark is the only one that actually has houses being built, dirt being moved for other subdivisions and also has an additional 4-5 in the works.  Its exciting times in the Greater Newark area for sure!!

2 hours ago, Airsup said:

There's currently no infrastructure to support that type of development or influx of people. They cant just built and expect roads (not just the road, but now hiring of more people that clear it of snow and fill the pot holes), water and sewer services, police (trust me, the Sheriff is not going to cut it), increased fire, gov't admin/support staff (zoning, inspection, other back office demands), increased maintenance budgets, schools and busing (many kids in Northridge SD are already on a bus much longer than 1 hour day). Drinking from the fire hose like that will drown these smaller communities. Development like that needs to be ramped up slowly so the the local gov't can support it and it MUST be PAY to PLAY for the developers. Budgets are stretched extremely thin as it is in most places, and our small communities aren't seeing big handouts from the state or federal gov't like Intel is. Many people are hesitant to go into business with SLCWSD for water and sewer over their past practices and their increased interest in promoting JED's for their own financial benefit. They have a fantastic lawyer dog and pony show team that's been making the rounds since January.

 

But who is calling for all sorts of density without also building the proper infrastructure?  This seems like a straw man to me.  This is exactly why a regional plan is so necessary.  Put it all on paper and make sure things don't spiral out of control.  You are going to need roads, sewer and power infrastructure, police, fire, etc. regardless if you get sprawl or density.  Sprawl just has many inherent disadvantages to it that will end up costing residents more financially in the long run.  10 miles of roadway being paid for by 100 people is a lot more expensive than 10 miles of roadway being paid for by 1000.  

You kind of hint at some of the problems with sprawl by talking about the Northridge busing situation.  Kids wouldn't need to be on a bus for an hour or more if everything wasn't spread so far apart to begin with.  How much is that setup costing the district on fuel and driver hours alone?

Density is FAR superior on budgets, as well. I just gave an example via roadways, but it applies to everything.  The more people within a given area, the more local budgets receive in taxes for schools, services and infrastructure.  There are endless studies on how much more draining low-density sprawl is to local budgets than more urban-style development.  There's a reason why urban areas have to subsidize rural infrastruture.  

 

2 hours ago, Airsup said:

 

5 over 1- type of development around Intel sure, they've got NA. Johnstown? Maybe after their civil war is over. East of that to Newark? I don't see anyone capable of supporting denser development, at this time, other than the village of Granville and that's very unlikely to happen. Without some major funding, I just don't see how it could be done correctly.

 

The biggest benefit for the TJ Evans Foundation "Framework" will be a countywide comprehensive plan so communities can plan where those larger developments go and not just haphazardly around because there was open space there.

 

 

What do you mean capable of supporting it?  As in there wouldn't be any demand? Isn't the Columbus area supposed to get like a million more people over the next few decades?  We're already in a housing shortage that requires at least 2x the construction rate annually, so this seems suspect.  I'm of the Field of Dreams thinking here- if you build it, they will come.

Edited September 22, 20222 yr by jonoh81

I've heard 200 kicked around some but havn't heard anyone say Intel will bring 300 to 400 suppliers with them to Central Ohio...  

 

Let's hope this guy is right!

 

Union believes Intel will have profound impact on pipe fitter, plumber careers

 

"He said the Intel announcement is a game changer and the biggest momentum builder in his lifetime for both Columbus and Central Ohio. 

 

“We would talk to people about a career in the building trades where they wanted to be a plumber, electrician, or operating engineer, or mechanical insulator, and a parent or a young person would say, 'Well what does the job outlook look like?'" Hager said. "We can say, 'Well, we're building this hospital, we've got about six months here.' Now we can say we have Intel. Work is good for the next 22 to 25 years,” says Hager. 

 

Hager, a lifelong resident of Columbus, said it's not just Intel's $20 billion semiconductor plant creating excitement, it's also the 300 to 400 suppliers that the company will bring to Central Ohio. 

 

“It's the Amazon data centers. It's the Facebook expansion. It's Google," said Hager. "It's Microsoft, it's the solar work. It's OSU Medical Center."

 

"Because there's all kinds of work coming to Columbus," Tucker said. "Job security, financial reasons, it's just all around good and you get to be a part of something bigger than yourself."

 

 

https://spectrumnews1.com/oh/columbus/news/2022/09/06/ohio-pipefitters-and-plumbers-

 

 

If a young person doesn't know what to do with their life, trade schools would be a much better investment than a four year degree for a lot of people.

37 minutes ago, John7165 said:

If a young person doesn't know what to do with their life, trade schools would be a much better investment than a four year degree for a lot of people.

One of my son's friends took up welding in a vocational school.   He's 2 years out of high school making $110K/year because he's young and free and willing to travel.   Of course he's blowing all his money on motorcycles and a new pickup truck etc because he has no financial skills either! 

 

Back to INtel....

 

Ohio approves last piece of Intel's $2B+ incentive puzzle

 

"Ohio has approved the final segment – almost – of more than $2 billion in economic incentives to Intel Corp. in return for thousands of jobs at the largest single private investment in state history.

 

The Ohio Tax Credit Authority on Monday approved credits on payroll taxes over 30 years. The legislature last year created a "megaproject" category that makes the credit possible.

 

However, due to an "administrative error" in the document, the authority plans to vote again next month on a corrected deal, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Development said. The 3.1% credit approved Monday would save about $475 million over the life of the deal, when the state intended a 4% rate for a total savings to Intel (Nasdaq: INTC) of $650 million.

 

As with other jobs credits, the incentive is paid out over time based on the amount of payroll created at the site. Intel would have to create all the 3,000 pledged jobs, maintain operations in the state and meet other terms.

 

The company in a written statement said it expects to exceed that number of high-paying jobs.

 

The jobs incentives don't apply to the estimated 7,000 construction jobs created by the first phase. Intel has said once started, construction on such complexes goes on for decades. For example, the company is still expanding its 40-year-old campus in suburban Phoenix."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/09/26/ohio-approves-intel-jobs-tax-credit.html

 

Very busy at the Intel site

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Proposals have been filed with the FAA for five crawler cranes reaching up to 500' tall. 

 

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=547640545&row=345

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=547640546&row=346

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=547640547&row=347

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=547640548&row=348

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/searchAction.jsp?action=displayOECase&oeCaseID=547640549&row=349

2 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

Proposals have been filed with the FAA for five crawler cranes reaching up to 500' tall. 

 

Wow! My kindergartener is going to insist we take the back way whenever we go visit grandma, assuming we can't just see them from here in Granville.

More plants coming, now near Syracuse. The article mentions Intel's New Albany plants and explores the opportunities and challenges of this huge domestic expansion of chip manufacturing....

 

Chipmaker Micron to build $20 billion N.Y. factory amid semiconductor boom

The company eventually could spend up to $100 billion over 20 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/04/micron-chip-factory-new-york/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fb_news_token=qB%2F1PdhNJLzJC6fIhl8eig%3D%3D.8lxwfNQAamlQpX0faAkosw%2FxACA4cM3G3pWSv%2B84QfzhdD3%2BWX9vcC83j0mmNXP7NJ4rH7TW8eq%2BRfSD8sMFzRODoYDPhUtZism4ZJJ8hDDaTE%2BHbtiAikkgyL9BDmbQZ%2B0PDSWitQqQEu3awn9AFMF2J8iW6dx2%2FaKhHpu0Rk7ZtdyS%2BldNDiMWy1oAGxgtZZtOZZ%2BrykJarN%2BN%2BE7QijTh8vd8dE9PEDuOmZF6agTh9overQXu3kHe%2BGEe04ZeSk8vogzDWdHBgYkdCBcFAKvZIdJSWapIIF9J3IJo%2B6O5al5qAV56IJFxKNxLIu7VK57OxWfrpOcOQgrw6jQbbyIp3KulAh3Sx7lEmHk3EQI%3D&fbclid=IwAR0ikaqNfk07DeSC6vYIJ70LncArcXcymVR4I6hm4iN-j5-uhze_kwNG5Hg

56 minutes ago, KJP said:

More plants coming, now near Syracuse. The article mentions Intel's New Albany plants and explores the opportunities and challenges of this huge domestic expansion of chip manufacturing....

 

Chipmaker Micron to build $20 billion N.Y. factory amid semiconductor boom

The company eventually could spend up to $100 billion over 20 years

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/04/micron-chip-factory-new-york/?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fb_news_token=qB%2F1PdhNJLzJC6fIhl8eig%3D%3D.8lxwfNQAamlQpX0faAkosw%2FxACA4cM3G3pWSv%2B84QfzhdD3%2BWX9vcC83j0mmNXP7NJ4rH7TW8eq%2BRfSD8sMFzRODoYDPhUtZism4ZJJ8hDDaTE%2BHbtiAikkgyL9BDmbQZ%2B0PDSWitQqQEu3awn9AFMF2J8iW6dx2%2FaKhHpu0Rk7ZtdyS%2BldNDiMWy1oAGxgtZZtOZZ%2BrykJarN%2BN%2BE7QijTh8vd8dE9PEDuOmZF6agTh9overQXu3kHe%2BGEe04ZeSk8vogzDWdHBgYkdCBcFAKvZIdJSWapIIF9J3IJo%2B6O5al5qAV56IJFxKNxLIu7VK57OxWfrpOcOQgrw6jQbbyIp3KulAh3Sx7lEmHk3EQI%3D&fbclid=IwAR0ikaqNfk07DeSC6vYIJ70LncArcXcymVR4I6hm4iN-j5-uhze_kwNG5Hg

Up to 9,000 workers at Syracuse plants?  That would be huge.

 

A recent interview with Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger was recently published in The Verge...

 

Here's some of what he had to say about the Central Ohio project:

 

"There is such a pent-up enthusiasm for Ohio as the silicon heartland for exactly that reason. It’s not just about what I’m going to build there. It’s going to be big. We are going to manufacture for lots of companies, and I am excited about it. It draws all of these other technology companies because we are building the water, the electricity, the roads, and the tech pipeline in those areas."

 

"It takes about four years for one of these factories to come online. Our objective right now is to be online and start producing by 2026. My bigger objective isn’t just that I build the first two modules — which was what I did groundbreaking for a couple of weeks ago — but that as this entire movement and our Foundry Services build that I then go build modules three, four, five, and six over time. That is the vision that we have laid out. Yes, building is underway, and we are pretty excited to get it in place."

 

 

The entire lengthy interview can be found here:

 

https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/4/23385652/pat-gelsinger-intel-chips-act-ohio-manufacturing-chip-shortage

 

 

 

And yet another one, this time in Poughkeepsie, NY. Interesting that these are not only near major water sources but also along principal Amtrak routes with multiple daily trains. Except Columbus....

 

IBM to announce $20B investment during Biden trip to New York

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3675515-ibm-to-announce-20b-investment-during-biden-trip-to-new-york/

^ I guess I'm kind of confused about what these announcements in NY have to do with New Albany, Central Ohio, the State of Ohio or Intel?

2 hours ago, Luvcbus said:

^ I guess I'm kind of confused about what these announcements in NY have to do with New Albany, Central Ohio, the State of Ohio or Intel?

It has zero to do with it, other than a chance to promote the 3-C rail service boondoggle.

10 hours ago, KJP said:

And yet another one, this time in Poughkeepsie, NY. Interesting that these are not only near major water sources but also along principal Amtrak routes with multiple daily trains. Except Columbus....

 

IBM to announce $20B investment during Biden trip to New York

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3675515-ibm-to-announce-20b-investment-during-biden-trip-to-new-york/

These two metros combined are less than half of a Columbus or Portland. Albany (also less than half a Columbus) already has Global Foundries. How can these cities support such large facilities? 

Edited October 7, 20222 yr by aderwent

dark biden’s chips act continues paying off — micron to build biggest chip plant in usa in syracuse, ny — beating out lockhart, tx.:

 

 

https://www.syracuse.com/business/2022/10/micron-making-a-mistake-with-choice-to-build-chip-plants-in-cny-texas-leaders-say.html?outputType=amp

On 10/6/2022 at 12:41 PM, Luvcbus said:

^ I guess I'm kind of confused about what these announcements in NY have to do with New Albany, Central Ohio, the State of Ohio or Intel?

 

Everything ties back to Intel in New Albany... this thread is full stuff that is barely related but as long as someone uses the buzzword Intel... into the thread it goes. I think it really is time we start being more conscious of what probably belongs in the businesses, economy, and politics threads vs development threads. 

 

Edited October 7, 20222 yr by DTCL11

14 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

dark biden’s chips act continues paying off — micron to build biggest chip plant in usa in syracuse, ny — beating out lockhart, tx.:

 

 

https://www.syracuse.com/business/2022/10/micron-making-a-mistake-with-choice-to-build-chip-plants-in-cny-texas-leaders-say.html?outputType=amp

I know next to nothing about semiconductor chips. Will Micron and Intel be direct competitors or will they each be aiming for different markets?

i dk if micron, intel and ibm make different chips. good question.

 

as to what does this have to do with intel, its the competition. and like new albany intel its also reflective of biden’s chips act. its all tied to the hip.

oh and here is another way to look at it. central nys state syracuse, actually suburban clay, ny, won out over lockhart, tx for this new micron chip plant announcement.

 

i’m sure the ohio intel won out over someone, no? hopefully from also down south lol.

 

maybe the north is making a comeback?

 

anyway, its interesting.

1 hour ago, John7165 said:

I know next to nothing about semiconductor chips. Will Micron and Intel be direct competitors or will they each be aiming for different markets?

I don't think the Syracuse and New Albany facilities would be making products in direct competition with each other. From what I read, the Ohio Intel fab is going after 5nm and below... maybe 3nm. Which would put them in a very small club with Samsung and TSMC. It's apparently really difficult to get the next generation fab machines that only come from ASML. So far only Samsung and TSMC are making these really advanced chips. Intel is going to see if they can pull it off. I think Micron does more common chips for ram.

whoa -- looks like these new chip factories are already going obsolete as we speak. 😮

 

 

 

Ran across this earlier this morning.

Most of us have probably heard the majority of the stuff in this article before, but I always find it interesting to hear how others around the state view the Intel project.

This was in The Repository out of Canton...

 

"Intel Corp. has begun construction in New Albany of what could become the company's largest manufacturing site in the world.

 

Even though it's a two-hour drive, businesses in Stark County can expect to see benefits from the $20 billion project outside Columbus. That's because it will be comparable to building a city, said Allen Thompson.

 

"There's going to be a lot of different opportunities this investment creates."

The initial phase calls for two semiconductor plants in New Albany. It is expected to reach six, and possibly eight production facilities.

 

Businesses around the state also will have an opportunity to work with Intel, Thompson said. The corporation is spending money with more minority-owned businesses, and working with a diverse set of contractors and subcontractors, he said.

 

As Intel builds, it's anticipated that other companies — suppliers and vendors, as well as hotels and restaurants — will be building nearby.

 

"We're about to build a city," Thompson said.

 

The facility in New Albany is Intel's first new pure manufacturing facility that Intel has built in 40 years."

 

 

https://www.cantonrep.com/story/news/local/2022/10/07/intel-facility-can-mean-additional-business-for-stark-county-companies/69540026007/

 

 

 

Few more from Intel

 

(might be kind of hard to see, it was very windy and dusty out there today)