4 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Columbus should definitely push up the timeline for building the new terminal.  Waiting another 10+ years doesn't make sense anymore.  

They aren’t waiting ten years to build it. But it will take a good number of years for planning, design, buildout, and finally transfer of operations. They’ve already issued an RFP so the wheels are definitely turning. My hope is that maybe an airline could see this Intel news, combined with the growing Central Ohio population and the new terminal build as an opportunity to really beef up service and maybe even influence a portion of the terminal to fit their needs. 

8 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Columbus should definitely push up the timeline for building the new terminal.  Waiting another 10+ years doesn't make sense anymore.  

The airport recieved bids from architects for the new terminal yesterday.

 

5 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

They aren’t waiting ten years to build it. But it will take a good number of years for planning, design, buildout, and finally transfer of operations. They’ve already issued an RFP so the wheels are definitely turning. My hope is that maybe an airline could see this Intel news, combined with the growing Central Ohio population and the new terminal build as an opportunity to really beef up service and maybe even influence a portion of the terminal to fit their needs. 

 

Well, originally, they had said they wouldn't be looking into building a new one until 2030 or later, so they definitely had a timeline in mind regardless of planning.  It was largely based on projected passenger traffic growth.   Before the pandemic, the airport had been setting traffic records, and it was estimated the terminal was going to be outgrown by around 2030 or so.  Traffic hasn't nearly recovered yet, but it eventually will, and this news will only accelerate that.  So I hope they're dusting off those long-term plans and seeing how fast something could be built.  The request for bids may or may not be keeping with that original timeline, depending on how long construction would take.  

And hopefully, any new terminal will finally include some actual mass transit connections.  

Edited January 21, 20223 yr by jonoh81

Just now, jonoh81 said:

 

Well, originally, they had said they wouldn't be looking into building a new one until 2030 or later, so they definitely had a timeline in mind regardless of planning.  It was largely based on projected passenger traffic growth.   Before the pandemic, the airport had been setting traffic records, and it was estimated the terminal was going to be outgrown by around 2030 or so.  Traffic hasn't nearly recovered yet, but it eventually will, and this news will only accelerate that.  So I hope they're dusting off those long-term plans and seeing how fast something could be built.  

And hopefully, any new terminal will finally include some actual mass transit connections.  

They will open the terminal in 2030. They will start building way before then. 

6 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

They will open the terminal in 2030. They will start building way before then. 

 

If it opens in 2030, that would be before the original timeline.  Was just reading a 2017 Dispatch article that said a new one was "15-18 years" away, putting it sometime around 2032-2035.  That would be good news if it's built and opened before then.

1 minute ago, jonoh81 said:

 

If it opens in 2030, that would be before the original timeline.  Was just reading a 2017 Dispatch article that said a new one was "15-18 years" away, putting it sometime around 2032-2035.  That would be good news if it's built and opened before then.

I don’t know the exact year, my point is they aren’t waiting until 2030 to start building as evidenced by the fact that the RFP has already been issued and it’s only 2022. 

Intel has been in talks with the State for over half a year. Perhaps the timeline of the new terminal was bumped up as a result? The airplane bridge was constructed with rail in mind, and the airport's master plan shows some sort of light rail. This is part of my Downtown/Airport/Easton/New Albany/ Intel-ville rail pipe dream

 

Gelsinger: “Site can accommodate 8 plants but we will start with 2”

 

Its definitely the “mini city” site. My guess is they build 2 and then tweak plans for future phases as needed. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

Gelsinger: “Site can accommodate 8 plants but we will start with 2”

 

Its definitely the “mini city” site. My guess is they build 2 and then tweak plans for future phases as needed. 
 

 

 

It's interesting that they're using 1000 acres for the mega project, but the annexation was 3x that.  Who knows what could end up there.  

I wonder how many landowners there are in that 3,600 acres. Someone's getting rich.

9 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

It's interesting that they're using 1000 acres for the mega project, but the annexation was 3x that.  Who knows what could end up there.  

They said Intel wanted the site to have extra land for future expansion

Intel must be fairly certain the CHIPS Act will be passed….

 

 

Woah. We will see how close we get to this. 
 

 

When you stop and think about Licking County, it’s incredible the amount of high profile large facilities it has...Owens Corning + Owens Corning R&D, Boeing, Facebook, Amazon, Google, Carvana,  Dow Chemical, Fanatics...pretty freaking remarkable if you asks me. I also think about developments like Ohio State-Newark just finishing a brand new state of the art STEM building on campus.  These things just seem so connected now!! That’s going to pay off big time for Intel and the Newark area. It can recruit employees not just from Ohio St main campus, but from its Newark Campus too! 

 

 

Edited January 21, 20223 yr by OhioFinest

5 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

When you stop and think about Licking County, it’s incredible the amount of high profile large facilities it has...Owens Corning + Owens Corning R&D, Boeing, Facebook, Amazon, Google, Carvana,  Dow Chemical, Fanatics...pretty freaking remarkable if you asks me. I also think about developments like Ohio State-Newark just finishing a brand new state of the art STEM building on campus.  These things just seem so connected now!! That’s going to pay off big time for Intel and the Newark area. It can recruit employees not just from Ohio St main campus, but from its Newark Campus too! 

 

 

 

OSU-Newark got this mention from OSU President Kristina Johnson, according to the live tweet reporting from the Columbus Business First reporter at the event:

That is freaking amazing...Thanks for the screenshot of that!!! This is a great time for the city of Newark to be even mentioned with any of this news. All the investment and hard work is finally paying off. 

40 minutes ago, Luvcbus said:

They said Intel wanted the site to have extra land for future expansion

 

Which suggests more development from them beyond even 8 fabs.  

I was interpreting it that the first 2 Fabs will be on the initial 1,000 acres, with the potentially additional 6 going on the remaining 2,000+ acres set aside.

 

Additionally, I can guarantee you other tech companies are taking note of this and Ohio.

 

"Intel's Ohio investment is expected to attract partners and suppliers. Air Products (APD.N), Applied Materials (AMAT.O), LAM Research (LRCX.O) and Ultra Clean Technology have shown interest in establishing a presence in the region, Intel said."

 

What a day for central Ohio, Newark/New Albany, Columbus and Ohio in general.  Largest private investment in state history!!!!!  The Columbus region for the 12 years I've lived here has continued to grow every single year with non-stop construction and projects. It's been a great healthy flow of population and growth, but something about recent announcements just feels like even more major transformative momentum has push us into a whole new higher gear.  With a brand new, top tier airport in the pipeline, Rickenbacker cargo airport, heightened increase in population than we already currently have that will come from this, housing, suppliers, road/highway infrastructure, likely even more push for transit, and so much more it feels we are just in a whole new playing level.

Edited January 21, 20223 yr by Gnoraa

Rickenbacker also has passenger terminal plans in place:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/03/13/first-look-rickenbacker-airport-master-plan-would.html

 

 

 

 

 

Tried to upload the morning news video I snapped but can't seem to load it correctly.  Shoot

 

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7 minutes ago, GCrites80s said:

Rickenbacker also has passenger terminal plans in place:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2018/03/13/first-look-rickenbacker-airport-master-plan-would.html

 

 

 

 

That article is from 2018. There's been a small passenger terminal there for some time, Allegiant flies out of there as did the defunct Hooters Air. Are there plans to enlarge that?

Yes. It's hard to find in non-paywall non-big-PDF form. I saw the plans at a meeting in 2017-2018.

I think it's pretty unlikely that Columbus is going to get more international flights or need to accelerate airport expansion plans as a result of this new facility. This is a great project but it's just where the chips will be manufactured — it's not like Intel is moving their chip design business from Silicon Valley to Columbus and will suddenly need to fly dozens of people from around the world to Columbus on a regular basis.

1 minute ago, taestell said:

I think it's pretty unlikely that Columbus is going to get more international flights or need to accelerate airport expansion plans as a result of this new facility. This is a great project but it's just where the chips will be manufactured — it's not like Intel is moving their chip design business from Silicon Valley to Columbus and will suddenly need to fly dozens of people from around the world to Columbus on a regular basis.

This project alone wouldn’t necessitate new routes, outside of Silicon Valley maybe, but it will further increase our already fast growing population. We were already adding routes at a pretty good clip before Covid, so this would only further the need for more. 

8 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

This project alone wouldn’t necessitate new routes, outside of Silicon Valley maybe, but it will further increase our already fast growing population. We were already adding routes at a pretty good clip before Covid, so this would only further the need for more. 

I agree, nothing about this project gave me an impression it would increase international flights, I think the point of this project screams domestic/ONshoring, so if anything will only add valuable more direct domestic flights.

This article explains more of what will be manufactured:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/01/intel-says-ohio-megafab-will-begin-making-advanced-chips-in-2025/

Quote from the Ars article 

 

"Though the company will start with two fabs, the massive site gives Intel “optionality,” said Esfarjani, who oversees manufacturing, supply chain, and operations for the company worldwide. There’s room for up to eight fabs, “but we have space to do even more,” he said. If the entire site gets built out, Intel could spend as much as $100 billion on the Ohio site alone. "

 

I interpreted that to say the existing 1000 acres has space for the 8 fabs on their road map plus future expansion. 

 

In regards to the ohio regulatory comments from Intel, In one of these articles I read that they referred to the fast tracking of permits, infrastructure improvements, and things like that. I doubt they're getting a free license to pollute. That said, even though these chips get made in clean rooms they still use a number of chemicals and solvents in the manufacturing processes, but I'd expect they'd have that they systems in place to mitigate any environmental impact. 

 

Lastly, Intel has said they intend to power this with 100% renewables, I think there'd have to be new power projects to meet that goal. It'll be interesting to see what comes from that aspect of this. 

51 minutes ago, 17thState said:

Lastly, Intel has said they intend to power this with 100% renewables, I think there'd have to be new power projects to meet that goal. It'll be interesting to see what comes from that aspect of this. 

https://www.harveysolar.com/

 

Right up the road.

9 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

Ohio's business-friendly policies, taxes, marketing, and lobbying are often lambasted on UrbanOhio because they are right out of the Republican playbook, but they seem to have been a very big factor for Intel.

Intel is headquartered in Santa Clara California.  You know, the communist cesspool.   Funny they aren't moving their HQ. 

But there are some truths to your statement on the Ohio GOP policies.   The only thing you left off was the low wages here, which is most certainly a factor.   

When a public company selects a site they always have to talk about how great the regulatory environment is. It's just to puff up the politicians and shareholders. It doesn't matter if it's true.

2 hours ago, 17thState said:

Quote from the Ars article 

 

"Though the company will start with two fabs, the massive site gives Intel “optionality,” said Esfarjani, who oversees manufacturing, supply chain, and operations for the company worldwide. There’s room for up to eight fabs, “but we have space to do even more,” he said. If the entire site gets built out, Intel could spend as much as $100 billion on the Ohio site alone. "

 

I interpreted that to say the existing 1000 acres has space for the 8 fabs on their road map plus future expansion. 

 

In regards to the ohio regulatory comments from Intel, In one of these articles I read that they referred to the fast tracking of permits, infrastructure improvements, and things like that. I doubt they're getting a free license to pollute. That said, even though these chips get made in clean rooms they still use a number of chemicals and solvents in the manufacturing processes, but I'd expect they'd have that they systems in place to mitigate any environmental impact. 

 

Lastly, Intel has said they intend to power this with 100% renewables, I think there'd have to be new power projects to meet that goal. It'll be interesting to see what comes from that aspect of this. 

 

That was my interpretation as well.  There's no way they will need 1000 acres for just 2 fabs.  They're big plants, but not THAT big.  

1 hour ago, Cleburger said:

Intel is headquartered in Santa Clara California.  You know, the communist cesspool.   Funny they aren't moving their HQ. 

But there are some truths to your statement on the Ohio GOP policies.   The only thing you left off was the low wages here, which is most certainly a factor.   

Oh fun. Another completely unnecessary snide political argument that will change absolutely nobodies mind while adding exactly no amount of value to the thread. Is it really so difficult to resist the urge to derail development threads into obnoxious political pissing contests?

6 hours ago, taestell said:

I think it's pretty unlikely that Columbus is going to get more international flights or need to accelerate airport expansion plans as a result of this new facility. This is a great project but it's just where the chips will be manufactured — it's not like Intel is moving their chip design business from Silicon Valley to Columbus and will suddenly need to fly dozens of people from around the world to Columbus on a regular basis.

I'm not trying to sound like a smarta** here but I can’t stress enough how many people were coming in and out of town for Facebook alone. That combined with all the other business that this will attract will necessitate more capacity at the airports. Because as mentioned, where there’s big business there are suppliers like Showa and others for Honda. Johnstown already has a nice established industrial park on the other side of town from this, I would expect some of that action to fall to this side(along with some wealthier farmers).

1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

When a public company selects a site they always have to talk about how great the regulatory environment is. It's just to puff up the politicians and shareholders. It doesn't matter if it's true.

 

All public speech by companies regarding incentives is pulled into the direction of "more incentives" rather than other business factors -- even if the other factors are mentioned.

3 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Intel is headquartered in Santa Clara California.  You know, the communist cesspool.   Funny they aren't moving their HQ. 

But there are some truths to your statement on the Ohio GOP policies.   The only thing you left off was the low wages here, which is most certainly a factor.   

 

Per the Akron Beacon Journal's article yesterday, the average salary at the plant is going to be $135,000.  What's your definition of "low wage?"

 

I heard from a reliable source that Gelsinger (Intel CEO) has been lurking on UO site for the past year to, you know, gauge the level of community interest ... 

 

Give yourself a round of applause UOhioans. 😉

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23 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

 

 

This is a remarkable statistic. It's hard to grasp how Intel will change Columbus. I think for one thing, CMH will say "see ya' later" to PIT, CLE, IND, and CVG.

Edited January 22, 20223 yr by John7165

^ and lets not forget the time magazine reminder that: 

 

Intel’s chips will still be sent to Asia for assembly, packaging, and testing.

 

that means asia flights. for cargo of course, but also passenger.

43 minutes ago, mrnyc said:

^ and lets not forget the time magazine reminder that: 

 

Intel’s chips will still be sent to Asia for assembly, packaging, and testing.

 

that means asia flights. for cargo of course, but also passenger.

There were already talks about CMH getting an Asia route before Covid. I seem to recall an article which stated that demand for Asia routes from CMH was higher than Europe. I would imagine the large retail industry in Columbus had a lot to do with this. Perhaps this will be enough to push demand over the edge. 

This facility coming to Central Ohio is just so huge it is hard to comprehend it and all of the ramifications that will come from it.  Just huge news for us(and the rest of Ohio too-this is not one part of the state "stealing" from another). 

13 hours ago, Cleburger said:

Intel is headquartered in Santa Clara California.  You know, the communist cesspool.   Funny they aren't moving their HQ. 

But there are some truths to your statement on the Ohio GOP policies.   The only thing you left off was the low wages here, which is most certainly a factor.   

 

Tesla recently made headlines when they moved their HQ out of California to Texas. I wouldn't expect Intel or any other major moves any time soon because CA's politicians are actively playing prevent defense now. Silicon Valley isn't going to disappear over night, but between remote work and a renewed interest in domestic tech manufacturing (in the wake of COVID and supply chain issues) - I think and hope we'll see it wither, so that more tech profits can be spread to the rest of the country.

 

And the articles posted earlier noted the average salary at this new plant is expected to be $125,000, so I don't think your "low wages" comment passes muster. Maybe that's "lower" than what they'd have to pay in California, but I'd argue someone making $125k in Ohio is going to have a significantly better quality of life than someone making $140k in the bay area.

3 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

Tesla recently made headlines when they moved their HQ out of California to Texas. I wouldn't expect Intel or any other major moves any time soon because CA's politicians are actively playing prevent defense now. Silicon Valley isn't going to disappear over night, but between remote work and a renewed interest in domestic tech manufacturing (in the wake of COVID and supply chain issues) - I think and hope we'll see it wither, so that more tech profits can be spread to the rest of the country.

 

And the articles posted earlier noted the average salary at this new plant is expected to be $125,000, so I don't think your "low wages" comment passes muster. Maybe that's "lower" than what they'd have to pay in California, but I'd argue someone making $125k in Ohio is going to have a significantly better quality of life than someone making $140k in the bay area.

Huh...they said $135,000 on the news this morning. But yes, around that amount goes much much farther here than there-and what they can get in regard to housing alone! Damn. Plus why would they not flock to Central Ohio when we are so close to all of the amenities of Cleveland? ❄️ 😛

I think this is a more likely estimate of what the typical worker at this facility will be earning:

 

On 1/21/2022 at 9:20 AM, Mogilny89 said:

Ordinarily, these type of salary figures are inclusive of the entire benefits package offered to employees. I would guess that only 70% of that $135,000 figure is actual salary, with the remainder being health insurance, retirement, voluntary benefits, etc. That brings the actual salary average down to about $95,000, which is a much more believable figure. Also, its important to note that they used average  salary and not median salary. A plant manager making $1.5 million will dramatically increase any average salary figure. 

 

So, it's more than double what the average Ohioan is making, which is great — but more than likely, the typical worker won't be making six figures.

4 hours ago, mrnyc said:

^ and lets not forget the time magazine reminder that: 

 

Intel’s chips will still be sent to Asia for assembly, packaging, and testing.

 

that means asia flights. for cargo of course, but also passenger.

 

Again, I think the notion that this facility is going to be a primary driver for more international flights in Columbus is pretty unlikely. The Time article also mentions:

 

Quote

Intel could bring some packaging, assembly, and testing back to the United States if the CHIPS for America Act is funded, Gelsinger said, which would be beneficial for national security. The sand used to make semiconductors comes from the U.S. South, after all, so it’s not inconceivable that the process of making some chips, from start to finish, could happen domestically. “My objective would be sand to product to services, all on American soil,” he said.

 

Wow. From the Dispatch article just posted today...

 

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“Ultimately, we hope to establish the largest semiconductor manufacturing site on the planet," the letter said. "We’re very excited to work with you and your state to couple Intel's innovation and world-class manufacturing process with Ohio's exceptional talent, capabilities and vision to strengthen U.S. semiconductor leadership."  

https://www.dispatch.com/in-depth/business/2022/01/21/how-mike-dewine-jon-husted-got-intel-come-ohio/9183683002/

1 hour ago, taestell said:

I think this is a more likely estimate of what the typical worker at this facility will be earning:

 

 

So, it's more than double what the average Ohioan is making, which is great — but more than likely, the typical worker won't be making six figures.

I don't know, I thought they might be using a fully loaded figure as well, but in the business first article below they state "Factory positions will average salary of $135,000 per year, plus benefits." so maybe they will be making 6 figures?

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/21/residential-experts-weigh-in-on-intel-plant.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search

I hadn't seen any of these site plans in articles I had seen thus far. Maybe someone has a flat image?
 

 

2 hours ago, Ram23 said:

 

Tesla recently made headlines when they moved their HQ out of California to Texas. I wouldn't expect Intel or any other major moves any time soon because CA's politicians are actively playing prevent defense now. Silicon Valley isn't going to disappear over night, but between remote work and a renewed interest in domestic tech manufacturing (in the wake of COVID and supply chain issues) - I think and hope we'll see it wither, so that more tech profits can be spread to the rest of the country.

 

"Tesla HQ" isn't like regular HQs where it's a bunch of people. It's basically just where Musk lives.

 

Tesla makes headlines for everything. Fantastic car, clickbait actions.

4 hours ago, mrnyc said:

^ and lets not forget the time magazine reminder that: 

 

Intel’s chips will still be sent to Asia for assembly, packaging, and testing.

 

that means asia flights. for cargo of course, but also passenger.

 

If this is the case, I'm surprised that people aren't making more of the Rickenbacker Airport connection to Intel's plant location in Central Ohio.  John Glenn is Columbus' mostly passenger airport, while Rickenbacker is Columbus' mostly cargo airport:

 

https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/394-columbus-rickenbacker-international-airport

 

As has been well-documented in the above Rickenbacker Airport thread, their cargo numbers have been increasing over the past 10+ years.  But those cargo numbers took an even bigger increase during the pandemic as Rickenbacker became a hub for international PPE flights from Asia.  The pandemic pushed Rickenbacker's cargo flights and tonnage numbers to record levels in 2020, and they've only gone up since then.

 

Rickenbacker added new direct flights from multiple Asian countries in the past two years:

• Vietnam:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/05/18/direct-flight-from-vietnam-to-columbus.html
• South Korea:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/09/15/cargo-partnership-links-columbus-airport-to-seoul.html
• Philippines:  https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/394-columbus-rickenbacker-international-airport/?do=findComment&comment=991559

As well as a newly expanded runway to better serve the Boeing 747-8F cargo plane, which is the largest variant of the 747, regularly flown by Rickenbacker’s cargo carriers from previously existing Asian and international flight locations:

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2021/10/22/rickenbacker-expanded-runway-2021.html

20 hours ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

I hadn't seen any of these site plans in articles I had seen thus far. Maybe someone has a flat image?
 

 

I for one would love to see any and all info including any possible site plans like these-even if it is just speculatory in nature.