Esfarjani of Intel had a guest column published in the Dispatch today:

 

Vice president explains why Intel is ready to invest up to $100 billion in new Ohio sites

 

A couple of the quotes that caught my eye:

 

- “In the short term, Intel’s Ohio investment is expected to create 3,000 Intel jobs, 7,000 construction jobs, and tens of thousands more local long-term jobs. In addition, Intel is already working with Ohio leaders and top technology companies to encourage them to build supporting capabilities right here in Ohio with investments of their own.

 

Several members of our supply chain have already committed to establishing a presence in Ohio because of this investment, and we anticipate many more commitments in the coming weeks. Chips made in Ohio will boost a healthy ecosystem of innovation and create the kind of virtuous cycle that the U.S. needs to win back its place as the global leader in semiconductor manufacturing.” 

They listed a few companies in their initial announcement. Perhaps we’ll get some more names soon?

 

- “Congress has shown strong bipartisan support for our industry in enacting the critical CHIPS for America Act, and it now must move forward to fully fund this important legislation. With that support, Intel is prepared to invest faster and up to $100 billion in our new Ohio operations over the next decade to establish additional factories.”

And the reason for the column: to lobby for the passage of the CHIPS act. 
 

He also states the the construction will begin at the end of the year. 
 

https://www.dispatch.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2022/01/23/why-intel-semiconductor-factory-licking-county-location-chip-plant/6580067001/

I was reading the comments on Columbus Reddit and you'd be surprised (maybe not) of how many self appointed experts think this is the worst day in Columbus history. Traffic, pollution, tax credits, housing, etc. were their main gripes. Also the Chips Act will pass unless they load it up with poison pill extras. Hopefully both sides will see what this means for America and pass a clean sheet of legislation, but I'm not holding my breath.

Edited January 23, 20223 yr by John7165

32 minutes ago, John7165 said:

I was reading the comments on Columbus Reddit and you'd be surprised (maybe not) of how many self appointed experts think this is the worst day in Columbus history. Traffic, pollution, tax credits, housing, etc. were their main gripes. Also the Chips Act will pass unless they load it up with poison pill extras. Hopefully both sides will see what this means for America and pass a clean sheet of legislation, but I'm not holding my breath.

Cbus sub-Reddit, or Reddit in general, is pretty toxic. Mostly everyone trying to out-gripe each other. I think the only thing more toxic is the comment section for local news media FB posts. 

Edited January 23, 20223 yr by amped91

Good Afternoon UrbanOhio.  Long time visitor, first time poster.  Love the diverse conversation.  I work in the design field in New Albany and since this project has been announced, I figured Columbus development is about to reach another level.  I have been in the Central Ohio for 20 years and have seen the steady progress the area has undergone.  Columbus has been a secret for a number of years even to a lot of people in Ohio.  I feel this event will change the area like Honda did to Marysville but bigger.  With this national news, the coasts will be watching and investing.  Looking forward to the ride.

Welcome to UO, @Westervillian!

1 hour ago, amped91 said:

Cbus sub-Reddit, or Reddit in general, is pretty toxic. Mostly everyone trying to out-gripe each other. I think the only thing more toxic is the comment section for local news media FB posts. 

 

I try to fight the good fight over there, but it's a struggle.

2 hours ago, Westervillian said:

Good Afternoon UrbanOhio.  Long time visitor, first time poster.  Love the diverse conversation.  I work in the design field in New Albany and since this project has been announced, I figured Columbus development is about to reach another level.  I have been in the Central Ohio for 20 years and have seen the steady progress the area has undergone.  Columbus has been a secret for a number of years even to a lot of people in Ohio.  I feel this event will change the area like Honda did to Marysville but bigger.  With this national news, the coasts will be watching and investing.  Looking forward to the ride.

Speaking of what "Honda did to Marysville but bigger",  someone quoted in a Dispatch article today said this:

 

"In my 31-year public-service career, it’s always been about jobs, economic development and growth,' Hottinger said. 'This is larger than Honda and Wright Patterson combined. That puts it in perspective."

 

https://dispatch-oh.newsmemory.com/?token=fecf4f8f80a0a7c08dc9268d1c48d032&cnum=0b7d0e5f-fe67-eb11-9acf-90b11c3bc1f2&fod=1111111STD-0&selDate=20220123&licenseType=paid_subscriber&

1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I try to fight the good fight over there, but it's a struggle.

Is it worse than City Data over there? Has that troll who lived in the Cbus development thread forever on C-D still there?

52 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Is it worse than City Data over there? Has that troll who lived in the Cbus development thread forever on C-D still there?

 

It really depends on the topic.  On development, it can be a cross between CU Facebook comments and City Data.  

From CBF this morning, a jobs comparison and a word of caution:

 

What Ohio can learn from Intel's other markets

 

- “Intel has four sites in [Oregon]. Last year, the company released an impact report that said Intel contributes $10 billion to Oregon's GDP. It also has a big jobs multiplier effect. For every one Intel job there are 13 other jobs across the local economy.” If the new plant here has a similar impact, we could be looking at 42,000 new jobs off of that first phase. 
- “Industry analyst Jim McGregor, partner at Tirias Research, called the announcement “tremendous for Ohio." But he warned that announcements and construction doesn’t always mean a fab comes online when completed. 

 

In the past, companies like Intel and Micron have had to delay manufacturing in newly built fabs for several years, or more than a decade in at least one case, because of changing economic and market conditions. The hope is that demand remains strong and these new fabs are operational as quickly as possible,” he writes in Forbes.

 

Intel completed a fab expansion in Arizona in 2013, but it sat empty for years and didn’t come online until 2020.” I hope that’s not the case here. I would think with the renewed interest making chips in the US, it won’t be an issue. But who knows what the next few years will bring. 
 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/24/intel-in-oregon-ohio.html

8 minutes ago, amped91 said:

From CBF this morning, a jobs comparison and a word of caution:

 

What Ohio can learn from Intel's other markets

 

- “Intel has four sites in [Oregon]. Last year, the company released an impact report that said Intel contributes $10 billion to Oregon's GDP. It also has a big jobs multiplier effect. For every one Intel job there are 13 other jobs across the local economy.” If the new plant here has a similar impact, we could be looking at 42,000 new jobs off of that first phase. 
- “Industry analyst Jim McGregor, partner at Tirias Research, called the announcement “tremendous for Ohio." But he warned that announcements and construction doesn’t always mean a fab comes online when completed. 

 

In the past, companies like Intel and Micron have had to delay manufacturing in newly built fabs for several years, or more than a decade in at least one case, because of changing economic and market conditions. The hope is that demand remains strong and these new fabs are operational as quickly as possible,” he writes in Forbes.

 

Intel completed a fab expansion in Arizona in 2013, but it sat empty for years and didn’t come online until 2020.” I hope that’s not the case here. I would think with the renewed interest making chips in the US, it won’t be an issue. But who knows what the next few years will bring. 
 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/24/intel-in-oregon-ohio.html

 

It's always prudent to remain skeptical of such large promises, but I think in this situation, given the massive national security and economic situation related to microchip production, the chance that things get significantly delayed is much lower. 

39 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It's always prudent to remain skeptical of such large promises, but I think in this situation, given the massive national security and economic situation related to microchip production, the chance that things get significantly delayed is much lower. 

I think people keep forgetting that that this isn’t just something Intel wants, the federal government is also pushing for this. 

20 hours ago, Westervillian said:

Good Afternoon UrbanOhio.  Long time visitor, first time poster.  Love the diverse conversation.  I work in the design field in New Albany and since this project has been announced, I figured Columbus development is about to reach another level.  I have been in the Central Ohio for 20 years and have seen the steady progress the area has undergone.  Columbus has been a secret for a number of years even to a lot of people in Ohio.  I feel this event will change the area like Honda did to Marysville but bigger.  With this national news, the coasts will be watching and investing.  Looking forward to the ride.

I read your forum name as Westervillain and I was envisioning a development antihero of northeastern Franklin county. And I loved it. Anyway, welcome to posting. 

22 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

I read your forum name as Westervillain 

Perfect!  Every forum like UO needs a few antihero's boomeranging in to keep us all honest. 

23 hours ago, amped91 said:

Cbus sub-Reddit, or Reddit in general, is pretty toxic. Mostly everyone trying to out-gripe each other. I think the only thing more toxic is the comment section for local news media FB posts. 

 

 

my problem with reddit isn't the griping, actually its the opposite, its the virtue signaling.

 

that is what is toxic over there for me.

 

reddit an ok compendium of news, various topics and trivia of interest, but i absolutely cannot read the threads without instantly bailing out of the whole site.  😂

4 hours ago, amped91 said:

From CBF this morning, a jobs comparison and a word of caution:

 

What Ohio can learn from Intel's other markets

 

- “Intel has four sites in [Oregon]. Last year, the company released an impact report that said Intel contributes $10 billion to Oregon's GDP. It also has a big jobs multiplier effect. For every one Intel job there are 13 other jobs across the local economy.” If the new plant here has a similar impact, we could be looking at 42,000 new jobs off of that first phase. 
- “Industry analyst Jim McGregor, partner at Tirias Research, called the announcement “tremendous for Ohio." But he warned that announcements and construction doesn’t always mean a fab comes online when completed. 

 

In the past, companies like Intel and Micron have had to delay manufacturing in newly built fabs for several years, or more than a decade in at least one case, because of changing economic and market conditions. The hope is that demand remains strong and these new fabs are operational as quickly as possible,” he writes in Forbes.

 

Intel completed a fab expansion in Arizona in 2013, but it sat empty for years and didn’t come online until 2020.” I hope that’s not the case here. I would think with the renewed interest making chips in the US, it won’t be an issue. But who knows what the next few years will bring. 
 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/24/intel-in-oregon-ohio.html

Gensinger gave several interviews on TV last Friday with one where he said the previous CEO thought hard about doing away with in-house manufacturing of chips and farming them out to other manufacturers. In his interview for the role of CEO, he stated "if your plan is to break up the company, then I'm not the man for the job." I'm like probably everyone else on this board and have no inside information, but it seems the New Albany facility is his baby and if he could snap his fingers and start manufacturing them today, he would. I'm thinking the internal confusion about the company's future may be a reason some of those other fabs were delayed in coming on line.

Edited January 24, 20223 yr by John7165

Another big thing that was going on in 2013 was people all of a sudden started keeping their computers longer and longer simply because they could -- for the first time since the internet hit. Sort of like how all those schools were still using Apple IIs into the mid-'90s because the internet hadn't gotten big yet. People started keeping their phones for a lot longer too. So the growth slowed to below Intel (and everyone else's) projections.

6 hours ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

I read your forum name as Westervillain and I was envisioning a development antihero of northeastern Franklin county. And I loved it. Anyway, welcome to posting. 

 

Thanks for the welcome, I figured a screen name of "One who lives in Westerville" might be a little long.  I always wanted to play the role of a villain, unfortunately I am pro-development.  I am from Mansfield originally so hopefully this project has spill over to areas that need it.  Dewine did say that 140? companies in the state already does business with Intel, so it will likely reach state wide.  

Intel Stacked Forksheet Transistor Patent Could Keep Moore's Law Going In The Angstrom Era

 

https://amp.hothardware.com/news/intel-stacked-forksheet-patent-keep-moores-law-going

 

We've been measuring integrated circuit feature sizes in nanometers for years now, but some folks reading this are probably as old or older than yours truly, who can recall when we first talked about microprocessors being fabricated at the sub-micron feature size. If you don't know, one micron is one micro-meter, or one-thousand nanometers.

We're on the cusp of another measuring unit shift in microprocessor manufacturing within the next few years, and this time it'll be from nanometers to angstroms. One angstrom is equivalent to one-tenth of a nanometer. This unit is most frequently used to measure the breadth of wavelengths of visible light, so these are some tiny transistors, folks.
 

A lot of people have written ad nauseum about the end of Moore's Law, but Intel isn't ready to see the adage, named after its co-founder Gordon Moore, go just yet. Current CEO and former CTO Pat Gelsinger has said exactly that as recently as this past December.

 

==========================================

 

This is a tech article rather than a development/capex article, but likely relevant to what Intel intends to do with its brand-new chip factory (and part of the value proposition that made it worth them laying out $20B anywhere in the first place).

On 1/24/2022 at 3:23 PM, John7165 said:

Gensinger gave several interviews on TV last Friday with one where he said the previous CEO thought hard about doing away with in-house manufacturing of chips and farming them out to other manufacturers. In his interview for the role of CEO, he stated "if your plan is to break up the company, then I'm not the man for the job." I'm like probably everyone else on this board and have no inside information, but it seems the New Albany facility is his baby and if he could snap his fingers and start manufacturing them today, he would. I'm thinking the internal confusion about the company's future may be a reason some of those other fabs were delayed in coming on line.

 

Right, Intel fell way behind their competition (especially TSMC) with the latest generation of chip manufacturing, and under the previous CEO there was talk about whether Intel would get out of the manufacturing business completely and just focus on chip design and let other companies do the manufacturing. Intel will actually be paying TSMC to manufacture their upcoming generation of chips because they simply don't have the ability to do it themselves. Under the new CEO they are making a huge bet that they can catch up to their rivals. I highly recommend reading Ben Thompson's column if you're interested in this topic.

18 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

Right, Intel fell way behind their competition (especially TSMC) with the latest generation of chip manufacturing, and under the previous CEO there was talk about whether Intel would get out of the manufacturing business completely and just focus on chip design and let other companies do the manufacturing. Intel will actually be paying TSMC to manufacture their upcoming generation of chips because they simply don't have the ability to do it themselves. Under the new CEO they are making a huge bet that they can catch up to their rivals. I highly recommend reading Ben Thompson's column if you're interested in this topic.

 

Intel probably saw what happened with AMD after they spun off their fab business into GlobalFoundries. AMD tied themselves to GF in order to make it a "viable" new company. The exclusivity contract became an anchor around their neck. They somewhat recently started outsourcing to TSMC for their high end products, which has made them competitive again.

 

If Intel split who'd make their high end chips? This new company which is still behind, or are they fighting for fab space at TSMC like the rest of the world? It's definitely a gamble.

Alright, so.......this is probably such a weird question and I apologize in advance, but seeing as this is largely going to be developed on mostly rural land far from the urban "heat" core of downtown Columbus..... how concerned is everyone about tornadoes? I know, I know, I know......that's crazy!! It's hardly a concern at all, etc.

 

But I can't help but think about the recent historic tornado outbreak in Kentucky...in December.....in a state very close to home. It wouldn't be unfathomable to see these kinds of freak extreme weather events happening more often and further north in the very near future.

 

I know we can't stop all progress based on weather, and that Ohio is largely fine compared to--like--everywhere else.....but I can't stop thinking about a tornado ripping through a shiny new Intel factory!

 

Help ease my fears, guys. Is extreme weather accounted for when building a facility such as this?

2 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

Alright, so.......this is probably such a weird question and I apologize in advance, but seeing as this is largely going to be developed on mostly rural land far from the urban "heat" core of downtown Columbus..... how concerned is everyone about tornadoes? I know, I know, I know......that's crazy!! It's hardly a concern at all, etc.

 

But I can't help but think about the recent historic tornado outbreak in Kentucky...in December.....in a state very close to home. It wouldn't be unfathomable to see these kinds of freak extreme weather events happening more often and further north in the very near future.

 

I know we can't stop all progress based on weather, and that Ohio is largely fine compared to--like--everywhere else.....but I can't stop thinking about a tornado ripping through a shiny new Intel factory!

 

Help ease my fears, guys. Is extreme weather accounted for when building a facility such as this?

 

No place in this country is safe from weather or natural disasters.

15 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

Alright, so.......this is probably such a weird question and I apologize in advance, but seeing as this is largely going to be developed on mostly rural land far from the urban "heat" core of downtown Columbus..... how concerned is everyone about tornadoes? I know, I know, I know......that's crazy!! It's hardly a concern at all, etc.

 

But I can't help but think about the recent historic tornado outbreak in Kentucky...in December.....in a state very close to home. It wouldn't be unfathomable to see these kinds of freak extreme weather events happening more often and further north in the very near future.

 

I know we can't stop all progress based on weather, and that Ohio is largely fine compared to--like--everywhere else.....but I can't stop thinking about a tornado ripping through a shiny new Intel factory!

 

Help ease my fears, guys. Is extreme weather accounted for when building a facility such as this?

You assess the damage, and get to work on recovery/repair just like any other facility/building thats been hit......citing the Crown facility in Celina for an prime example of how to get this type of thing done:

 

 

Edited January 26, 20223 yr by Gnoraa

Ohio’s come-from-behind win on Intel

by: Carrie Ghose | Columbus Business First

 

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/columbus-business-first/ohios-come-from-behind-win-on-intel/

 

NEW ALBANY, Ohio (COLUMBUS BUSINESS FIRST) — Ohio was not among the first states Intel Corp. considered for its first greenfield manufacturing complex in 40 years, a lobbyist for the tech titan confirmed.

 

For one thing, Ohio lacks an existing semiconductor industry.

 

Among some 40 states that answered Intel’s first call for proposals, the state won largely because of a “compelling case” built by a united, collaborative team of state, local, and private persuaders, said Jason Bagley, senior director of state government relations for the California-based company. ...

 

Intel also wants the complex to run on 100% renewable energy. A solar farm was approved Thursday in Licking County, and a second is in process.

 

And here’s an obscure plus: According to U.S. Geological Survey data, Licking County has never recorded an earthquake. That’s actually “super important” for semiconductor manufacturing, Bagley said.

 

“We don’t want to be near railroads, near airports,” he said. “It’s very serious. If there’s vibrations, it’s going to throw tools off.”

 

======================================================

 

That last part was surprising to me--not wanting to be near railroads or airports because the vibrations from large engines and vehicles nearby might actually disturb the manufacturing process.  (Wanting to avoid earthquakes was a little more predictable.)  This is something that apparently really needed to be a greenfield development.  I figured they would want freight rail and freight air logistics capabilities handy, but apparently they don't want them too close.

 

On a different note, now I'm wondering about this new solar farm just approved in Licking County.  Where is it?  How large will it be?  Is this going to be just an in-house power solution for Intel or is it going to be a public grid supplier that will, just because of the geography, just cancel out (or partially cancel out) the drain on the grid from Intel and thus count as "running" the fab on renewable power?

 

1 hour ago, taestell said:

 

Right, Intel fell way behind their competition (especially TSMC) with the latest generation of chip manufacturing, and under the previous CEO there was talk about whether Intel would get out of the manufacturing business completely and just focus on chip design and let other companies do the manufacturing. Intel will actually be paying TSMC to manufacture their upcoming generation of chips because they simply don't have the ability to do it themselves. Under the new CEO they are making a huge bet that they can catch up to their rivals. I highly recommend reading Ben Thompson's column if you're interested in this topic.

55 minutes ago, Mendo said:

 

Intel probably saw what happened with AMD after they spun off their fab business into GlobalFoundries. AMD tied themselves to GF in order to make it a "viable" new company. The exclusivity contract became an anchor around their neck. They somewhat recently started outsourcing to TSMC for their high end products, which has made them competitive again.

 

If Intel split who'd make their high end chips? This new company which is still behind, or are they fighting for fab space at TSMC like the rest of the world? It's definitely a gamble.

 

I was apparently seriously OOTL when it comes to global semiconductor fabrication.  I thought Intel was the big player in the space and the outsourcing players were all smaller.  I only this morning learned how big Taiwan Semiconductor really is--more than triple ($635B) the market cap of Intel ($207B).  Wow.

6 minutes ago, Gramarye said:

That last part was surprising to me--not wanting to be near railroads or airports because the vibrations from large engines and vehicles nearby might actually disturb the manufacturing process.  (Wanting to avoid earthquakes was a little more predictable.)  This is something that apparently really needed to be a greenfield development.  I figured they would want freight rail and freight air logistics capabilities handy, but apparently they don't want them too close.

That's pretty common consideration for research facilities. I worked on a new lab at Ohio State and the foundation was overdesigned to mitigate vibrations from nearby truck and train traffic. 

1 hour ago, Zyrokai said:

Alright, so.......this is probably such a weird question and I apologize in advance, but seeing as this is largely going to be developed on mostly rural land far from the urban "heat" core of downtown Columbus..... how concerned is everyone about tornadoes? I know, I know, I know......that's crazy!! It's hardly a concern at all, etc.

 

But I can't help but think about the recent historic tornado outbreak in Kentucky...in December.....in a state very close to home. It wouldn't be unfathomable to see these kinds of freak extreme weather events happening more often and further north in the very near future.

 

I know we can't stop all progress based on weather, and that Ohio is largely fine compared to--like--everywhere else.....but I can't stop thinking about a tornado ripping through a shiny new Intel factory!

 

Help ease my fears, guys. Is extreme weather accounted for when building a facility such as this?

I would imagine that Intel did a very extensive analysis of the risk before picking a site that they could eventually invest $100 billion into.  This site is also right by data centers for Google, Facebook, and Amazon, each of which probably did their own extensive risk analysis of the area.  So, I'm not too concerned.

Edited January 26, 20223 yr by TH3BUDDHA

Considering how many fab plants are located along the "Ring of Fire" in the Pacific, I'd say the risk of a tornado pales in comparison

2 hours ago, Zyrokai said:

Alright, so.......this is probably such a weird question and I apologize in advance, but seeing as this is largely going to be developed on mostly rural land far from the urban "heat" core of downtown Columbus..... how concerned is everyone about tornadoes? I know, I know, I know......that's crazy!! It's hardly a concern at all, etc.

 

But I can't help but think about the recent historic tornado outbreak in Kentucky...in December.....in a state very close to home. It wouldn't be unfathomable to see these kinds of freak extreme weather events happening more often and further north in the very near future.

 

I know we can't stop all progress based on weather, and that Ohio is largely fine compared to--like--everywhere else.....but I can't stop thinking about a tornado ripping through a shiny new Intel factory!

 

Help ease my fears, guys. Is extreme weather accounted for when building a facility such as this?

 

Really only western and Southwestern Ohio tend to see any significant outbreaks, and even there they aren't especially common.  What Columbus gets is normally the leftovers as storms die out heading east.  Historically, there have been just a handful of EF3 or equivalent in the entire metro area (and nothing above that), with the vast majority being 1s or 0s.  So climatologically speaking, the area isn't all that favored for big tornadic outbreaks.  Not to say it can't happen or will never happen, but I'd be more worried about this if it was in Xenia.  

 

But as others have said, you can only prepare so much.  The risk is never going to be zero.

Edited January 26, 20223 yr by jonoh81

1 hour ago, Gramarye said:

 

 

I was apparently seriously OOTL when it comes to global semiconductor fabrication.  I thought Intel was the big player in the space and the outsourcing players were all smaller.  I only this morning learned how big Taiwan Semiconductor really is--more than triple ($635B) the market cap of Intel ($207B).  Wow.

 

 

 

Nice going, Grandpa.

Impact of Intel Project Will Extend Well Beyond New Albany

 

Last Friday, Intel officially announced its plan to build a $20 billion semiconductor manufacturing plant in New Albany, kicking off a steady stream of speeches and statements highlighting the historic nature of the project. At an event in Newark, Governor Mike DeWine was joined by company representatives, US Senators Sherrod Brown and Rob Portman, and a bevy of local politicians and officials representing all levels of government.

 

Earlier that day, President Joe Biden held a White House event with Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger, touting the importance of the new plant in the context of domestic manufacturing capacity and the global computer chip shortage.

 

We thought we’d check in with some local experts who are not directly involved in the project to try and get a sense of the scale of it, and a better idea of what changes might be coming to the region as a result of the investment.

 

“I do think [the hype] is justified,” says Rob Vogt, Principal of the real estate market research firm Vogt Strategic Insight. “I have no reason to believe that 3,000 direct jobs and 10,000 indirect jobs is not realistic…this really is the ‘auto manufacturing’ jobs of the ‘70s and ‘80s. I’m very excited about this for central Ohio.”

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/impact-of-intel-project-will-extend-well-beyond-new-albany-bw1/

 

On 1/22/2022 at 12:03 AM, Gramarye said:

 

Per the Akron Beacon Journal's article yesterday, the average salary at the plant is going to be $135,000.  What's your definition of "low wage?"

 

 

Jesus.....$135k?

 

What do I need to know in order to apply? 😂

6 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

 

No place in this country is safe from weather or natural disasters.

 

3 hours ago, bjk said:

Considering how many fab plants are located along the "Ring of Fire" in the Pacific, I'd say the risk of a tornado pales in comparison

 

3 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Really only western and Southwestern Ohio tend to see any significant outbreaks, and even there they aren't especially common.  What Columbus gets is normally the leftovers as storms die out heading east.  Historically, there have been just a handful of EF3 or equivalent in the entire metro area (and nothing above that), with the vast majority being 1s or 0s.  So climatologically speaking, the area isn't all that favored for big tornadic outbreaks.  Not to say it can't happen or will never happen, but I'd be more worried about this if it was in Xenia.  

 

But as others have said, you can only prepare so much.  The risk is never going to be zero.

 

5 hours ago, Gnoraa said:

You assess the damage, and get to work on recovery/repair just like any other facility/building thats been hit......citing the Crown facility in Celina for an prime example of how to get this type of thing done:

 

OK, thanks for alleviating my only concern! (other than transit!!!)

 

Now all aboard the hype train!!! This is thrilling!! 

8 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

 I'd be more worried about this if it was in Xenia.  

 

A place gets one F5 tornado, 47 years ago, and it's all anybody remembers!  X marks the spot, amiright? 😉

 

But going back to the original question, in the scheme of things, while not zero the risk of a tornado in central Ohio hitting that exact spot has to be of such a minimal risk as to be irrelevant. Like the Yellowstone super volcano could theoretically blanket the entire country in ash, but it's not something I lose sleep over. 

Edited January 27, 20223 yr by 17thState
Clarified my sarcasm

2 hours ago, 17thState said:

 

A place gets one F5 tornado, 47 years ago, and it's all anybody remembers!  X marks the spot, amiright? 😉

 

But going back to the original question, in the scheme of things, while not zero the risk of a tornado in central Ohio hitting that exact spot has to be of such a minimal risk as to be irrelevant. Like the Yellowstone super volcano could theoretically blanket the entire country in ash, but it's not something I lose sleep over. 

Just being picky/petty here but they did have a damaging tornado in the 30's, a damaging tornado in 1989, a deadly and damaging tornado about 20 years ago, and one of the worst flash flood disasters in Ohio history in 1886(?)ish that killed over 25 people. Not exactly just one incident-that place is cursed!  ;)

5 hours ago, Toddguy said:

Just being picky/petty here but they did have a damaging tornado in the 30's, a damaging tornado in 1989, a deadly and damaging tornado about 20 years ago, and one of the worst flash flood disasters in Ohio history in 1886(?)ish that killed over 25 people. Not exactly just one incident-that place is cursed!  ;)

They had one 20 and about 10 years ago, not to mention the one that hit the Beavercreek area also included the township of the same name which is adjacent to Xenia proper.

A couple morning articles from CBF, just to make sure everyone is still on the hype train:

 

GENERATIONAL CHANGE
 

Not really anything new, but it has lots of hype quotes from area leaders. 
 

- “This is a once-in-a-generation kind of opportunity,” said Chris Olsen, co-founder and partner at Drive Capital LLC. “These are the opportunities that create magnets for brainpower that you’ve only seen in Silicon Valley in the 1970s, or the biotechs in Boston.

- “We think those suppliers are going to be all over the state and all over the Midwest,” said Kenny McDonald, CEO of One Columbus. “It goes deep, deep, deep into small business here in Ohio. The economic multiplier for this is just extraordinary.”

- “This is an earthquake, a really powerful, positive one,” said Steve Steinour, CEO of Huntington Bancshares Inc. and co-chairman of the Columbus Partnership. “This changes the landscape for Ohio. ... I don’t think most parts of the country have ever seen anything like this.”

- I wonder how this will impact MORPC’s projection of 3 million in the region in 2050?

”The Mid-Ohio Regional Planning Commission already was planning for land use and transportation for an expected population of 3 million by 2050. Intel accelerates the urgency to accommodate that growth.

 

Chrysler said she expects housing and other impacts to spread evenly throughout the region. For example, workers in Intel’s job classifications in surveys typically say they’re comfortable with 40-minute commutes.”

- And last, it’ll be really interesting to see how this news accelerates the growth at the Innovation District. “Intel’s “enormous” brand recognition adds to an already potent collaboration of students, researchers, corporations and entrepreneurs soon to have a crucible of ideas on Ohio State University’s Innovation District, said Tom Walker, CEO of Rev1 Ventures.”

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/28/intel-special-report.html

 

These suppliers have already been announced, but we could be seeing a total of 30-40 setting up shop in the region. Plus, the chart really helps illustrate the type of impact we may see. 
 

Intel already luring suppliers to Central Ohio

 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/01/28/intel-already-luring-suppliers-to-central-ohio.html

^ A map of the Intel location from Business First's special report article:

 

Here's the thread with Intel's incentive package - it comes out to about $1.3B from Ohio: 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, GISguy said:

Here's the thread with Intel's incentive package - it comes out to about $1.3B from Ohio: 

 

 

 

 

It's a lot, but considering, it could've been more.  I still think the state walks away pretty well with this.

21 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

It's a lot, but considering, it could've been more.  I still think the state walks away pretty well with this.

Apparently there are stipulations in their where if Intel does not maintain certain criteria or hit certain goals, they won't get some of the money. At least they tried to build something in to hold them accountable. And honestly the half of that which is for infrastructure will benefit a lot of people as well which is nice, even if we are paying for it. Improvements on 161 in NA have been necessary for years, glad something finally gave them them a swift kick to make it actually happen.

29 minutes ago, TIm said:

And honestly the half of that which is for infrastructure will benefit a lot of people as well which is nice

Yea, it always confuses me when people complain about the money the city/state has to put in for infrastructure for these projects.  Not saying anybody here is doing it, but you see it all the time.

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by TH3BUDDHA

44 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

It's a lot, but considering, it could've been more.  I still think the state walks away pretty well with this.

 

I'm normally less that thrilled with the incentives giveaways, but the transformational nature of this project makes this one actually feel like a really good investment. The real benefit will be everything that lands in Ohio over the next 30+ years because of the skilled/talented labor pool this state (hopefully) proves capable of providing.

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by mrCharlie

 

 

$2 billion in incentives.

1 hour ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

 

$2 billion in incentives.

I agree this sounds reasonable. Plus, I always discount the total cost of infrastructure improvements since the public usually gets a pretty direct benefit from large portions of those items.

2 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, it always confuses me when people complain about the money the city/state has to put in for infrastructure for these projects.  Not saying anybody here is doing it, but you see it all the time.

 

There are whole threads over on Reddit about "but muh taxes" regarding this deal.  

Edited January 28, 20223 yr by jonoh81

9 hours ago, GISguy said:

Here's the thread with Intel's incentive package - it comes out to about $1.3B from Ohio: 

 

I might just be thinking of Bojangles now because we finally found out today where the first location in Columbus will be (Hilliard Rome Rd) but am I the only one who thinks of Bojangles when they read her name? 

20 hours ago, Columbo said:

^ A map of the Intel location from Business First's special report article:

 

Glad to finally see this, but I can't figure out why the site is positioned at that angle? And in the middle? 

 

If that reflects 2 fabs, if you copy and paste that 3 more times, I see how all 8 could fit (barely), but seems odd to start in the middle. 

1 hour ago, 17thState said:

Glad to finally see this, but I can't figure out why the site is positioned at that angle? And in the middle? 

 

If that reflects 2 fabs, if you copy and paste that 3 more times, I see how all 8 could fit (barely), but seems odd to start in the middle. 

 

It looks like future fabs will not need all the ancillary stuff; or as much. They'll extend toward Mink St. As will the parking lot at that angle. Leaving that triangle at the SW corner of Green Chapel and Mink as a detention/wetland area.

Edited January 29, 20223 yr by aderwent