May 24, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, John7165 said: I don't care, I'm reading all of them. In a couple of months, the real work begins with grading of the site and then the foundation work will start. By next spring, the "Chips Act" should have passed and Gelsinger might order several more fabs. It will be incredible to see. Couldn't agree more! I'm soaking up every drop i can get! There's already noticeable changes out in the area and it's only the very beginning. I'm as excited as you are!
May 24, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, John7165 said: I don't care, I'm reading all of them. In a couple of months, the real work begins with grading of the site and then the foundation work will start. By next spring, the "Chips Act" should have passed and Gelsinger might order several more fabs. It will be incredible to see. With all the road construction about to start around the site, all the houses about to come down, upgrading of utilities, site prep and grading, coupled with all the construction already underway, the entire area near Intel will basically be one huge construction site by July. It's going to be quite the scene!
May 24, 20223 yr 39 minutes ago, Luvcbus said: With all the road construction about to start around the site, all the houses about to come down, upgrading of utilities, site prep and grading, coupled with all the construction already underway, the entire area near Intel will basically be one huge construction site by July. It's going to be quite the scene! There is also this article that came out today. Silicon Heartland Innovation Park to be developed near New Albany's forthcoming Intel complex Two out-of-state real estate investment firms are developing an approximately $400 million data center campus and industrial park in New Albany. Dallas-based Lincoln Property Company and Chicago-based Harrison Street acquired 190 acres of land on the northeast corner of Beech and Jug Street roads for a speculative industrial park and data center campus, called Silicon Heartland Innovation Park, that can accommodate cloud providers, retail colocation operators and large enterprise customers, Michael Hochanadel, managing director and head of digital real estate at Harrison Street, told Columbus Business First.
May 25, 20223 yr Another lengthy but interesting article on Intel out today, this one from Columbus Monthly. Exiled by Intel: Money, Uncertainty and Complicated Feelings in Licking County "The announcement detailed a project of mind-boggling scope: the largest semiconductor manufacturer in the world by revenue would invest $20 billion to build two factories, called “fabs,” in a sleepy, farm-and-country-living area of Jersey Township in Licking County. When open in 2025, the plants would employ 3,000 people at wages averaging $135,000 a year plus benefits. The three-year building phase would create 7,000 construction jobs, and the operation would attract an additional 10,000 indirect jobs to the area. If Congress offered support, the Intel team said, they had plans to add six more fabs to the campus, for a total investment of $100 billion. That would build on the foundation already laid in Licking County, created over the course of eight months of competition the New Albany Co. and Intel. But the project didn’t come out of nowhere. The surrounding territory has long been groomed for commercial and industrial development by the New Albany Co., founded in 1987 by Les Wexner and his friend Jack Kessler. The plan was not only to create an upscale village but also to lay the table for economic growth, and the New Albany Co. today promotes itself as offering “technology- and shovel-ready” sites for commercial development. To find land for those projects, the city of New Albany has been annexing swaths of Jersey Township since 2002. Today, New Albany’s 6,000-acre International Business Park stretches along Route 161 from New Albany Road to Mink Street. Companies that have located data centers and other facilities there include, to name a few, Amazon, Google, Amgen, Aetna, Nationwide and Facebook parent company Meta, which in April announced that it would add 1 million square feet to its existing facility, bringing its investment in the area to $1.5 billion. The business park represents a total of 20,000 jobs. Still, these projects are dwarfed by the behemoth that is coming. Intel CEO Pat Gelsinger boasted on Jan. 21 that within a decade, Intel Ohio could be the largest semiconductor manufacturing site in the world. He referred to it as a “mini-city.” The semiconductor chips may be tiny, but the effort and resources required to manufacture them is enormous. In Chandler, Arizona, where Intel is about to add two similar fabs to expand an existing operation, the construction will require the removal of 890,000 cubic yards of dirt, The New York Times reports, which will be carted away at a rate of one dump truck per minute. The foundations will require 100,000 tons of steel." For anyone interested, the whole article can be found here: https://www.columbusmonthly.com/story/lifestyle/features/2022/05/25/intel-plant-johnstown-licking-county-jobsohio-jersey-township/9906155002/ Edited May 25, 20223 yr by Luvcbus
May 26, 20223 yr I was in New Albany a little earlier, so i took a quick spin around the Intel site... Signs are now posted on sections of Miller Rd (where all the houses will be coming down) and sections of Clover Valley Rd, that they will both be closing June 8th. I think we should see work around the Intel site really begin to intensify in the next couple weeks! Edited May 26, 20223 yr by CbusOrBust
May 26, 20223 yr Intel picks first 4 construction firms to begin work on Ohio plant complex “Intel Corp. has selected the companies that will bring the first of an estimated 7,000 construction jobs to New Albany to work on its $20 billion New Albany semiconductor manufacturing complex. The tech giant confirmed that Columbus-based McDaniel’s Construction, Cleveland's Northstar Contracting and Columbus' GTSA Construction Consulting will work with Rhode Island's Gilbane Building Co. on the early excavation work for the first two chip factories on the Intel campus. Gilbane will manage the team’s work to prepare the site for the construction of the fabs, Intel said, with the Ohio companies providing staffing and consulting services. Construction on the Ohio fabs is expected to start this year, and chip production is expected to come online in 2025, according to the release. The timeline of when the excavation will begin remains unclear. The tech giant expects to announce additional subcontractors in the coming weeks, according to the release.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/26/intel-picks-gilbane-to-lead-work-at-ohio-site.html
May 26, 20223 yr 31 minutes ago, amped91 said: Intel picks first 4 construction firms to begin work on Ohio plant complex “Intel Corp. has selected the companies that will bring the first of an estimated 7,000 construction jobs to New Albany to work on its $20 billion New Albany semiconductor manufacturing complex. The tech giant confirmed that Columbus-based McDaniel’s Construction, Cleveland's Northstar Contracting and Columbus' GTSA Construction Consulting will work with Rhode Island's Gilbane Building Co. on the early excavation work for the first two chip factories on the Intel campus. Gilbane will manage the team’s work to prepare the site for the construction of the fabs, Intel said, with the Ohio companies providing staffing and consulting services. Construction on the Ohio fabs is expected to start this year, and chip production is expected to come online in 2025, according to the release. The timeline of when the excavation will begin remains unclear. The tech giant expects to announce additional subcontractors in the coming weeks, according to the release.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/05/26/intel-picks-gilbane-to-lead-work-at-ohio-site.html I'm surprised Turner or Smoot didn't get a piece of this. EDIT: I didn't read the whole notice about more subcontractors being announced later Edited May 26, 20223 yr by John7165
May 26, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, John7165 said: I'm surprised Turner or Smoot didn't get a piece of this. EDIT: I didn't read the whole notice about more subcontractors being announced later This really isn’t Smoots field, they are more institutional and government work. A lot of these data centers, factories, etc fall into a different category. Gilbane & Turner are one in the same pretty much, with Gilbane being more in this field than Turner. I wouldn’t be shocked to see companies like Cupertino Electric(who specializes in the data centers & tech world) to be more of who is in the fold. That being said they do subcontract out so several firms in the area will get work from this project. It looks like Complete General(or Igel couldn’t make out the trucks) is already out there doing the road expansion. There will be plenty to be had for all, just like with the Facebook Data Center.
May 26, 20223 yr Cincinnati preparing to get involved, I’m assuming Cleveland and others will do the same. Will be good to see some team work across the state. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/05/26/city-budget-has-millions-to-lure-intel-suppliers-a.html
May 26, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, 646empire said: Cincinnati preparing to get involved, I’m assuming Cleveland and others will do the same. Will be good to see some team work across the state. https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2022/05/26/city-budget-has-millions-to-lure-intel-suppliers-a.html Yes, more working together so we can get a train going from all 3.
May 27, 20223 yr Intel vows to create more wetland than it removes "The application includes two on-site alternatives for the approximately 895-acre permit area located on a 926-acre site east of Clover Valley Road, west of Mink Street and south of Green Chapel Road. The site is in the process of being annexed to the city of New Albany. There is also an off-site alternative, located west of the proposed site, included in the application. The site is approximately 1,050 acres, southeast of U.S. 62 and south of Green Chapel Road, bisected by Beech Road and Miller Road. The off-site alternative would require significant expansion of utilities and the re-routing of Beech Road and electric transmission lines. 'Intel has been and will continue to work with EPA to comply with all recommendations and requirements related to mitigating the isolated wetlands on the Licking County site, with the proposed mitigation to occur in the same watersheds.' Qian said the plan proposes mitigation of 2.18 acres of forested credit, 4.25 acres of non-forested credit, and 14.4 acres of forested wetland credit to offset the impact to 9.98 acres of isolated wetlands. She said the impact on the local watershed will be a net positive, with more wetlands in place than previously. The application states the initial phase of the proposed development includes approximately 2.88 million square feet of occupiable space for two semiconductor chip manufacturing complexes, and an office building, and associated support facilities, storage areas, parking areas, storm water facilities and related infrastructure. The development may be expanded in additional phases to include up to eight chip manufacturing facilities and up to five office buildings, along with support facilities and warehouse structures. Construction of the initial phase will begin soon after issuance of the isolated wetland permit and to be completed by 2025. One alternative proposed by the company reduces the size of a parking lot, expands the size of a parking structure associated with future development, and eliminates an office building. The change allows for a stream to be maintained as open channel instead of being piped under the parking lot. This alternative would reduce office space by 520,000 square feet and parking by more than 272,800 square feet." https://dispatch-oh.newsmemory.com/?token=b12dac92602374530f2a7d2c127af568&cnum=0b7d0e5f-fe67-eb11-9acf-90b11c3bc1f2&fod=1111111STD-0&selDate=20220527&licenseType=paid_subscriber&
May 27, 20223 yr Quote ...This alternative would reduce office space by 520,000 square feet...and eliminates an office building... Um, maybe they just need to pipe the stream underneath and go with that proposal and maybe help out some other stream nearby? I want that office building! *Any streams there seem to be little more than small runnels anyways. Edited May 27, 20223 yr by Toddguy
May 27, 20223 yr Just now, Toddguy said: Um, maybe they just need to pipe the stream underneath and go with that proposal and maybe help out some other stream nearby? I want that office building! Since their plan will be a net positive, hopefully they won't have to go to that last alternative proposal.
May 27, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Luvcbus said: Since their plan will be a net positive, hopefully they won't have to go to that last alternative proposal. Yeah! No way do I want to sacrifice a half million square foot office building. I am greedy about this-I want as much as we can possibly get and pray daily for that Chips Act to get passed lol. I am Veruca Salt regarding this-I want it all!!!! Every. Damn. Bit. we can get, I want it. I want 8, 10, whatever fabs and everything that goes along with them. 12,000 workers plus in those fabs and thousands upon thousands of more good jobs and all of the other development that goes along with it. "Silicon Heartland" is not a bad label for our region at all-let's grab it!
May 31, 20223 yr Looks like we're another step closer to seeing dirt moving at the Intel site! "Ohio lawmakers are expected to dole out nearly $1.1 billion in incentives and tax assistance for Intel's semiconductor project in Licking County. The huge investment in roads, infrastructure and tax changes, which includes both state and federal taxpayer money, was included in the state's capital budget, which the Ohio Legislature is slated to approve Wednesday. Intel has promised to invest $20 billion in building two factories, called fabs, in Licking County to make semiconductors. State officials have laid out more than $2 billion in incentives, in total, and this budget is part of that overall sum. Lawmakers previously approved a 30-year tax credit for "megaprojects," which helped Ohio land the Intel computer chip factory in January. Intel would need to provide an annual economic impact report and could lose incentives or have to pay back incentives if the company doesn't meet certain requirements, such as the number of people employed. The $3.51 billion capital budget also includes $191 for community projects, $100 million for school safety grants and $50 million for improvements to local jails. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/05/31/intel-projects-ohio-incentives-total-nearly-1-1-b-latest-budget/7454868001/
June 1, 20223 yr Intel plant manager eager to start work on Ohio's biggest economic development project “The executive tapped by Intel to run the two factoriesthe semiconductor company plans for Licking County is eager to get started on Ohio's largest economic development project. Intel expects to break ground this fall with a goal of producing semiconductors in 2025, but Jim Evers, who has been Intel's plant manager in Arizona for the past 11 years, is hoping to move more swiftly. "I want to go fast. We’re doing everything we can to try to improve that, to speed that up. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done to prepare for that moment. I think we’re making appropriate progress," Evers told The Columbus Dispatch and the Newark Advocate. Intel announced on Thursday that it has picked its first contractors for the project, companies focused on the early stage of excavation work at the site; further announcements are expected in coming months.“ https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/06/01/new-intel-manager-eager-move-ohio-semiconductor-plants/9826611002/?itm_source=premium_bundle&itm_medium=onsite
June 1, 20223 yr Another lengthy article out today. This one from TechCrunch: Why Intel chose Columbus to build chips "The news arrives at a time when Columbus has entered the national spotlight as a high-tech hub. Startups like Root, Olive and Path have made waves, while big tech firms like Facebook, Amazon and Google have established presences in the city. Its reputation will likely only grow as more entrepreneurs and investors look beyond the coasts in a post-COVID world. It’s a new site for Intel, beyond our current presence in Oregon, New Mexico and Arizona in the U.S.,” Esfarjani says. “Within the site, we’re building a fabrication facility, which is where we do the wafer manufacturing. That’s the two big fabs, at least $20 billion. But the site is quite flexible and will give us the ability to expand that operation to other elements of the value chain. It’s a couple thousand acres. You can imagine what happens six, seven, ten years down the road." Lots more can be found here: https://techcrunch.com/2022/06/01/how-intel-landed-in-columbus/
June 1, 20223 yr Capital budget bill passes, Intel incentives approved "State lawmakers approved a capital budget bill that calls for spending $3.5 billion on improving school safety, upgrading parks, investing in community projects and helping Intel build a semiconductor plant in Licking County. Initial incentives for the Intel megaproject include $300 million for a water reclamation plant, $101 million for increasing water and sewer capacity, $95 million for road work and a $600 million grant to offset the cost of building the plants here, rather than in other countries. Money can be clawed back, however, if Intel fails to hit certain performance standards, such as the number of jobs created and the amount of capital investments." https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/06/01/what-ohios-3-5-b-capital-budget-year-huffman-cupp-ohio-legislature-funding-infrastructure-schools/7466665001/
June 7, 20223 yr Intel to get Hundreds of Millions More from Ohio in Previous Undisclosed Incentives Ohio was already poised to offer Intel $1.9 billion to build a $20 billion semiconductor plant in Central Ohio. But a public policy group is calling out what it says are previously undisclosed tax breaks that would be worth hundreds of millions more — at least. A slice of those tax breaks would cost funding sources for local governments and libraries. The group, Policy Matters Ohio, had previously said that while the Intel project promises to be a boon to the Ohio economy, state officials need to build in sufficient protections for taxpayers in case it goes bust. Adding to the need to scrutinize Intel incentives is the fact that Gov. Mike DeWine owns at least $1,000 of stock in the company, but he won’t disclose how much. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/intel-to-get-hundreds-of-millions-more-ocj1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 7, 20223 yr We was out there earlier today and it's really starting to get crazy out there. There was a lot more going on out there today than there was even a week ago. I got a few pics but you'll probably have to zoom in- this was as close as i could get. There's stuff like this going on in numerous areas near the site- and this is just the very early stages of what's about to go down!
June 7, 20223 yr 8 hours ago, John7165 said: So they're moving dirt already? Not on site. (Site grading is expected to start in July.) Those pics are from just down from the site. But there's lots going on virtually everywhere that's within a few miles of the site all the way from Beech to Mink. Utility crews are seemingly everywhere. The main thing happening on the actual site right now is more houses and trees being tore down... There's probably ten more houses gone today from just a few days ago. Everyone on Miller Rd (from Clover Valley to Mink) has to be out by today because Miller closes for good Wednesday. Once that closes, all the remaining houses and trees on site will come down. That portion of what is currently Miller Rd will also be part of the Intel site. Edited June 7, 20223 yr by CbusOrBust clarity
June 14, 20222 yr $13 million approved for Route 161 widening ahead of Intel project "Ohio officials on Monday approved $13 million to widen a stretch of Route 161. The State of Ohio's Controlling Board, which handles adjustments to the state budget, voted to direct $3 million to the project in the 2022 fiscal year, and another $10 million in fiscal year 2023. Construction crews will add one lane in either direction between Interstate 270 and Route 62. The highway currently has two lanes in both directions. The project is intended to address population growth and accommodate a pair of semiconductor factories that chipmaker Intel plans to build in New Albany." "It is imperative we update our infrastructure in anticipation of future development," he said. "The newly approved funds for this project will further connect businesses and citizens and contribute to the exponential economic growth happening in central Ohio.” https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/06/14/here-ohios-plans-widening-route-161-ahead-intel-project/7615025001/
June 14, 20222 yr The state's spending bill that includes the Intel incentives was signed into law today as well! "Ohio is doling out more than $3.5 billion of taxpayer money and federal COVID-19 relief dollars for a variety of infrastructural improvements and community projects. The biggest highlight is nearly $1 billion in incentives laid out for Intel, which promised to invest $20 billion in Licking County to build two semiconductor factories. Much of that will go toward infrastructural needs, such as local roads and water/sewage projects, and a $600 million "onshoring grant." Tax breaks were also offered for Intel suppliers and others. "He signed the state's spending bill on Tuesday." https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/state/2022/06/14/mike-dewine-intel-gun-control-teachers-cancer-legislation-ohio-incentives-tax-drugs-republican/7532803001/
June 14, 20222 yr Interesting article in Forbes today about Ohio and the Intel megaproject... From The State That Gave Us The Airplane, The First Light Bulb And Superman Comes An Answer To The Shifting Sands Of Globalization "The idea of reshoring is tougher to put into practice than we think, but it is part of a new map for globalization for the year of 2032 and beyond that we will need to navigate towards. The Intel win is the anchor “whale,” that will create tens of thousands of jobs directly and indirectly. However, this is the results of a retooling of the idea of economic development jobs that hopefully is wide spread in the US by 2032. JobsOhio more than tripled its annual funding for impact investments and grants to over $500 million and played a pivotal role in attracting Intel to build its next-generation semiconductor factories in Ohio. According to Intel, its initial investment of more than $20 billion for two “chip fabs” could grow to eight fabs and more than $100 billion in 10 years, making it potentially the largest economic development project undertaken by a single American company in U.S. history." More can be found here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgale/2022/06/14/from-the-state-that-gave-us-the-airplane-the-first-light-bulb-and-superman-comes-an-answer-to-the-shifting-sands-of-globalization/?sh=3c8fca2f79f3
June 15, 20222 yr Dispatch article on the housing construction impact related to the Intel plant. Sounds like much of the rural area may be spared due to a need for utility lines. Licking County housing market: Here's how Intel might change things—or not ‘"The areas that will see initial building will be the incorporated areas east of Intel — Heath, Hebron, Newark," Melchi said. "They have infrastructure already in place and have shown a willingness to work with developers." Wilkos, with United Way, expects Intel to boost housing development to the west, along Rt. 161 and into the Northland neighborhood, which has added far more residents than housing over the past decade. He thinks the Northland area will be especially attractive to construction workers looking for a place to stay convenient to Intel. "I think Northland will be one of the most significant housing markets during the construction of Intel," he said. "You'll see workers from West Virginia, Indiana, Kentucky and elsewhere in Ohio. They’ll rent apartments and hotel rooms with a couple of friends and on Fridays they’ll drive the two to three hour home to family."’ https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/06/15/intels-licking-county-ohio-housing-impact-tough-sort-out/9894892002/?itm_source=premium_bundle&itm_medium=onsite
June 15, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, amped91 said: Dispatch article on the housing construction impact related to the Intel plant. Sounds like much of the rural area may be spared due to a need for utility lines. Licking County housing market: Here's how Intel might change things—or not ‘"The areas that will see initial building will be the incorporated areas east of Intel — Heath, Hebron, Newark," Melchi said. "They have infrastructure already in place and have shown a willingness to work with developers." Wilkos, with United Way, expects Intel to boost housing development to the west, along Rt. 161 and into the Northland neighborhood, which has added far more residents than housing over the past decade. He thinks the Northland area will be especially attractive to construction workers looking for a place to stay convenient to Intel. "I think Northland will be one of the most significant housing markets during the construction of Intel," he said. "You'll see workers from West Virginia, Indiana, Kentucky and elsewhere in Ohio. They’ll rent apartments and hotel rooms with a couple of friends and on Fridays they’ll drive the two to three hour home to family."’ https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/06/15/intels-licking-county-ohio-housing-impact-tough-sort-out/9894892002/?itm_source=premium_bundle&itm_medium=onsite I'm thinking families with children won't want to have anything to do with the Northland area.
June 15, 20222 yr I wouldn't immediately discount the Northland area. If convenience to work, lower housing costs, and broad access to city services are desired, Northland could be a good fit for families. Considering the international diasporas in the area, if Intel is to attract local, domestic, and potentially international talent, being close to these areas could also be desirable.
June 15, 20222 yr ^I was going to say that as well. I lived in Northland for several years when I came to Columbus about a decade ago and it is FILLED with families. But there are definitely going to be folks who won't want to touch it with a 10' pole because... well, you know. So the statement should probably read 'I'm guessing white families from out of town with children won't want to have anything to do with the Northland area' But to the interviewees points, it is a more affordable area within close proximity so plenty of transient workers will probably be more than happy to bunk up in the area. And then as the permanent jobs come in, much like any other part of the city, there's a good possibility of increased gentrification. Northland is filled with plenty of small starter single family homes. Probably also more potential for the old tear down and build new model through swaths of Northland discussed in the UA thread As a side note. There are days when this feels more like a road/infrastructure thread or Ohio Business thread. Seems like anytime someone whispers 'intel' it's news. It's big news, sure, but I feel like we are getting too much overload on it.
June 15, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, DTCL11 said: Seems like anytime someone whispers 'intel' it's news. It's big news, sure, but I feel like we are getting too much overload on it. I think that the Dispatch and the affiliated Newark Advocate are driving a lot of clicks and short term subscriptions due to these articles, so prepare to be buried with everything they can attach "Intel" to.
June 15, 20222 yr 23 minutes ago, Airsup said: I think that the Dispatch and the affiliated Newark Advocate are driving a lot of clicks and short term subscriptions due to these articles, so prepare to be buried with everything they can attach "Intel" to. Well, it is kind of a big deal.
June 15, 20222 yr For Sure. I'm surprised they didn't credit Intel for The Yard Milkshake Bar opening in the Short North at this rate. But they also have to in order to justify the politics of state and local benefits given to the deal. As an example, 161 and the entire area was already on the radar for expansion etc for development anyway. To me, it's neither exciting or newsworthy that an exurb is getting 'an extra lane' regardless of the circumstances. But what feels like 423,912 articles later on expanding 161... cool. 1,654,386 articles on people voluntarily selling their homes... great. 17,534,057 articles on all the speculative ancillary benefits... awesome. 9,742,650,217 stories on people worried about changing the 'rural feel'... gurl bye... /s Edited June 15, 20222 yr by DTCL11
June 20, 20222 yr So I heard a few things through the grapevine this weekend that may be of interest, but take it all with a grain of salt. Apparently this isn't making the news but New Albany and The City of Columbus are at war right now when it comes to water services. New Albany currently gets its water from Columbus and Columbus wants in on that Intel money. Apparently Columbus is planning to raise water rates in New Albany to astronomical rates to forcibly annex part of New Albany into Columbus. New Albany has been in talks with water providers in Western Licking County to try and work something out as the last thing they want to do is let Columbus weasel its way into their Intel money. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out, but basically Columbus is trying to extort New Albany. I've also heard that there is a potential planned huge retail development somewhere on the Western side of Licking County as well. This one is apparently shrouded in NDAs and all that, but behind closed doors it is being touted as "a new Easton". Again this is all through the grapevine from some Licking County officials who aren't necessarily directly involved in these developments but whose departments needs to be aware of what is going on in and planned for Licking County.
June 20, 20222 yr I can’t blame Cbus for wanting in on some of the cash, especially with WFH projected to cost the city a ton in decreased tax revenue. I had been wondering how the water service aspect was going to play out. I hope the “new Easton” is just hyperbole. The “new Easton” is too close to “Easton Easton,” and they would just cannibalize each other.
June 20, 20222 yr Author 33 minutes ago, amped91 said: I can’t blame Cbus for wanting in on some of the cash, especially with WFH projected to cost the city a ton in decreased tax revenue. I had been wondering how the water service aspect was going to play out. I hope the “new Easton” is just hyperbole. The “new Easton” is too close to “Easton Easton,” and they would just cannibalize each other. Polaris isn’t too far from Easton, and is slowly becoming more like Easton. They don’t seem to be cannibalizing each other. But yea, hopefully they can do something a bit different than Easton to offer a different experience.
June 20, 20222 yr 22 minutes ago, cbussoccer said: Polaris isn’t too far from Easton, and is slowly becoming more like Easton. They don’t seem to be cannibalizing each other. But yea, hopefully they can do something a bit different than Easton to offer a different experience. Is Polaris doing better now? I remember 2-3 years ago, they were seen as struggling much more than Easton, with high vacancy and filing for bankruptcy protection. Iirc, part of the blame was put on it being too close in proximity to Easton (plus a general downward shift away from that style of mall).
June 20, 20222 yr I'm not defending Columbus, but if they're going to supply the water, then they should get some sort of cut. I don't know how much water LC can provide.
June 20, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, amped91 said: Is Polaris doing better now? I remember 2-3 years ago, they were seen as struggling much more than Easton, with high vacancy and filing for bankruptcy protection. Iirc, part of the blame was put on it being too close in proximity to Easton (plus a general downward shift away from that style of mall). That was just the indoor mall portion I believe. Polaris as an area is an absolute madhouse basically any day of the week. Honestly a lot of cool unique stores, but it's a different demographic compared to Easton. Easton is Gucci and Crate and Barrel, Polaris is Cabellas and furniture stores. I imagine a Western LC retail development would be a healthy mix of both. You'd be surprised to hear how many people in LC are literally scared to go to Easton haha. Like as in they believe they won't come back from a shopping trip levels of scared.
June 20, 20222 yr 12 minutes ago, TIm said: That was just the indoor mall portion I believe. Polaris as an area is an absolute madhouse basically any day of the week. Honestly a lot of cool unique stores, but it's a different demographic compared to Easton. Easton is Gucci and Crate and Barrel, Polaris is Cabellas and furniture stores. I imagine a Western LC retail development would be a healthy mix of both. You'd be surprised to hear how many people in LC are literally scared to go to Easton haha. Like as in they believe they won't come back from a shopping trip levels of scared. That’s what I’d assumed we were talking about—the malls proper. If it’s a whole “live, work, play” area that’s being planned, then that’s a horse of a different color lol
June 20, 20222 yr People i have been talking to have also been hopeful of a new outlet mall or something like it, somewhere in between New Albany and Newark. The 310 and 37 interchanges are perfect places to jump start that part of the economic development in western LC. Something like that at either of those two interchanges would start an economic boom for certain. Intel site is in yellow, the two red circles are the 161/310 and 161/37 interchanges. Right smack in the middle. That would also be the beginning of the growth connecting New Albany to Newark/Granville...
June 20, 20222 yr At best, Eastern Licking county gets a 'lifestyle center' along the lines of Crocker Park, Legacy Village, Fallen Timbers, etc The life spans of malls is generally relatively short as eventually the n3xt best thing always comes along. So Easton and Polaris's longevity is a testament to what they've offered all these years. Easton needs to up its game like it has alluded to fore several years now. They started and it has stalled. And as long as both continue to evolve, I can't really see much coming along to wipe either out. Maybe the Delaware 36 projects with having more than just retail but that's such a long shot. And whose to say that Easton and Polaris don't have the room to add that stuff anyway before they Delaware projects even get out of court. It is surprising that since Ft Whatever closed, neither has filled that indoor Waterpark void. Generally, Columbus can afford more lifestyle centers. I've said the old Children's School in Worthington is ripe for one or that Lennox could easily be revamped as one. I'm honestly surprised that Columbus has kind of lagged behind in the development of these 'mini-eastons' at large and stuck with mostly traditional retail developments. Even when Easton did the eastern section I was surprised they didn't centralize (edit: more of) the retail for walkability. Edited June 20, 20222 yr by DTCL11
June 20, 20222 yr Author 2 hours ago, amped91 said: Is Polaris doing better now? I remember 2-3 years ago, they were seen as struggling much more than Easton, with high vacancy and filing for bankruptcy protection. Iirc, part of the blame was put on it being too close in proximity to Easton (plus a general downward shift away from that style of mall). I was talking about the overall area. The Polaris area has been adding some mixed-use development and is continuing to grow at a pretty good rate, unlike Tuttle which has pretty much been completely stagnant for the past decade. And Polaris has done all of that with Easton right down the road. They've even converted portions of the mall area to be more of an outdoor shopping center like Easton, albeit on a much smaller scale.
June 20, 20222 yr Looks like City of Columbus getting revenue for its water and sewer services is part of the agreement: ”Right now, it's planned that 22% of Intel's income tax revenue go to the Johnstown-Monroe school district, Chrysler said. The rest of the income tax revenue will be divvied out to Career And Technology Education Centers of Licking County, the city of Columbus through a revenue sharing agreement for providing the project with water and sewer, and finally the city of New Albany itself.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/20/intel-30-year-real-property-improvement-tax-deal.html Is Cbus wanting a bigger share of the revenue?
June 20, 20222 yr 14 minutes ago, amped91 said: Looks like City of Columbus getting revenue for its water and sewer services is part of the agreement: ”Right now, it's planned that 22% of Intel's income tax revenue go to the Johnstown-Monroe school district, Chrysler said. The rest of the income tax revenue will be divvied out to Career And Technology Education Centers of Licking County, the city of Columbus through a revenue sharing agreement for providing the project with water and sewer, and finally the city of New Albany itself.” https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/20/intel-30-year-real-property-improvement-tax-deal.html Is Cbus wanting a bigger share of the revenue? I would guess this is how the rumor got started. Someone probably heard that Columbus wanted a portion of the revenue, and then it snowballed to Columbus forcing New Albany to pay more. In the end it makes sense that Columbus would want some of the cut. It’s their systems providing water and sewage.
June 20, 20222 yr That's what goes on in the Rickenbacker JEDD which gets Columbus water. Some of the water gets marked up by Earnhardt Hill.
June 20, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, DTCL11 said: At best, Eastern Licking county gets a 'lifestyle center' along the lines of Crocker Park, Legacy Village, Fallen Timbers, etc The life spans of malls is generally relatively short as eventually the n3xt best thing always comes along. So Easton and Polaris's longevity is a testament to what they've offered all these years. Easton needs to up its game like it has alluded to fore several years now. They started and it has stalled. And as long as both continue to evolve, I can't really see much coming along to wipe either out. Maybe the Delaware 36 projects with having more than just retail but that's such a long shot. And whose to say that Easton and Polaris don't have the room to add that stuff anyway before they Delaware projects even get out of court. It is surprising that since Ft Whatever closed, neither has filled that indoor Waterpark void. Generally, Columbus can afford more lifestyle centers. I've said the old Children's School in Worthington is ripe for one or that Lennox could easily be revamped as one. I'm honestly surprised that Columbus has kind of lagged behind in the development of these 'mini-eastons' at large and stuck with mostly traditional retail developments. Even when Easton did the eastern section I was surprised they didn't centralize (edit: more of) the retail for walkability. I don't think Eastern LC will be getting anything out of this. It's next level rural over there and they don't want any developments anyways.
June 20, 20222 yr 37 minutes ago, VintageLife said: I would guess this is how the rumor got started. Someone probably heard that Columbus wanted a portion of the revenue, and then it snowballed to Columbus forcing New Albany to pay more. In the end it makes sense that Columbus would want some of the cut. It’s their systems providing water and sewage. Probably so. With all the misinformation and rumors out there, you definitely have to be careful what you give credence to... I had to go out near Johnstown a couple weeks ago for a CPR recertification and the lady giving the class said one of the big rumors going around Johnstown right now is that New Albany is going to "take over Johnstown and rename it East Albany". Of course, that's not true but apparently a decent amount of people in Johnstown actually believe it.
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