June 20, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, OhioFinest said: People i have been talking to have also been hopeful of a new outlet mall or something like it, somewhere in between New Albany and Newark. The 310 and 37 interchanges are perfect places to jump start that part of the economic development in western LC. Something like that at either of those two interchanges would start an economic boom for certain. Intel site is in yellow, the two red circles are the 161/310 and 161/37 interchanges. Right smack in the middle. That would also be the beginning of the growth connecting New Albany to Newark/Granville... Those plots of land in the red circle near Alexandria are absolutely ripe for development. Pretty sure there is 125+ acres for sale on the west side of 37 right there, been surprised it has been up for sale for years and never actually sold. It's right off the highway and could be a solid site for industrial, warehousing, commercial, residential or some combination of those. I'm guessing the big barrier to someone developing these sites would be utilities.
June 20, 20222 yr 38 minutes ago, Luvcbus said: Probably so. With all the misinformation and rumors out there, you definitely have to be careful what you give credence to... I had to go out near Johnstown a couple weeks ago for a CPR recertification and the lady giving the class said one of the big rumors going around Johnstown right now is that New Albany is going to "take over Johnstown and rename it East Albany". Of course, that's not true but apparently a decent amount of people in Johnstown actually believe it. That is tame compared to what I hear on a daily basis out here. Another of my favorites is that Intel will be somehow bringing in Indian construction workers so Ohio crews won't get any of that work. I'm pretty sure that's now anything works. I also think that numbskull telling people that got his Indiana and India mixed up. I could spend hours talking about this nonsense.
June 20, 20222 yr 12 minutes ago, TIm said: Those plots of land in the red circle near Alexandria are absolutely ripe for development. Pretty sure there is 125+ acres for sale on the west side of 37 right there, been surprised it has been up for sale for years and never actually sold. It's right off the highway and could be a solid site for industrial, warehousing, commercial, residential or some combination of those. I'm guessing the big barrier to someone developing these sites would be utilities. 161/310 will be developed more densely and you'll see something like a JEDD along 37/161 for some development. North of that is flood plain country. The large tract of land you're talking about is more than likely not for sale any longer and under an NDA, and has been for some time. The owner of that land stopped returning calls to people, but before that his response to inquiries was never "yes it's for sale or no, it's not" but "what will you offer". That's the same response many of the other landowners gave or are giving now that turned out they were under NDA's and had already sold for all intents and purposes.
June 20, 20222 yr Honestly though... Is it imminent? No Are there folks with pull or future political ambitions in New Albany who have those aspirations? Probably A few decades from now might they have some sort of merger or annexation? Maybe Will it be called East Albany? Who knows It's all going to depend on how Johnstown sets itself up for the future. It isn't unreasonable to think that annexation is in the future for either. Suburban and exurban annexation is a fairly new battleground in the US. We are used to seeing it with cities and suburb, but suburbs and exurbs are the volatile battlegrounds now. Even in rural/suburban areas around Des Moines. Locally, the Pataskala/Lima Township merger of yonder years harkens to those fears. To push back annexation by bigger suburbs, some rural towns are seeking to annex no man's lands to prevent encroachment. Johnstown, while may never be fully annexed, how much of a buffer will it hold as development surrounds it? Of course, alot of this is impacted by state laws around the country but I wouldn't discount future 'concerns' over annexation or absorption of smaller towns as New Albany grows. As some have said before, more than anything, this is most likely going to lead to further unmitigated suburban growth. That's going to come with lots of battles, requests for annexation, etc. More than many have probably seen.
June 20, 20222 yr 6 hours ago, TIm said: So I heard a few things through the grapevine this weekend that may be of interest, but take it all with a grain of salt. Apparently this isn't making the news but New Albany and The City of Columbus are at war right now when it comes to water services. New Albany currently gets its water from Columbus and Columbus wants in on that Intel money. Apparently Columbus is planning to raise water rates in New Albany to astronomical rates to forcibly annex part of New Albany into Columbus. New Albany has been in talks with water providers in Western Licking County to try and work something out as the last thing they want to do is let Columbus weasel its way into their Intel money. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out, but basically Columbus is trying to extort New Albany. I've also heard that there is a potential planned huge retail development somewhere on the Western side of Licking County as well. This one is apparently shrouded in NDAs and all that, but behind closed doors it is being touted as "a new Easton". Again this is all through the grapevine from some Licking County officials who aren't necessarily directly involved in these developments but whose departments needs to be aware of what is going on in and planned for Licking County. The last thing the region needs is another big retail development that will be outdated and abandoned in 20 years when the next wave gets built even further out. It's just cannibalization.
June 20, 20222 yr 47 minutes ago, Airsup said: 161/310 will be developed more densely and you'll see something like a JEDD along 37/161 for some development. North of that is flood plain country. The large tract of land you're talking about is more than likely not for sale any longer and under an NDA, and has been for some time. The owner of that land stopped returning calls to people, but before that his response to inquiries was never "yes it's for sale or no, it's not" but "what will you offer". That's the same response many of the other landowners gave or are giving now that turned out they were under NDA's and had already sold for all intents and purposes. I could have sworn I still saw the for sale sign when I drove past it twice yesterday, but I could be completely wrong there and just assumed it was still there since that for sale sign predates me living in Ohio aka it was 6+ years old haha.
June 20, 20222 yr 11 minutes ago, jonoh81 said: The last thing the region needs is another big retail development that will be outdated and abandoned in 20 years when the next wave gets built even further out. It's just cannibalization. I assume the plan would be to build something modern, not indoors and with a focus on pedestrian foot traffic. There really aren't any huge retail developments anywhere in Licking County other than your typical big box retailer and strip mall stretches in a few spots. I don't see why there wouldn't be a market for your non-essential retail destinations in LC within the next 10 years. Not like this thing would be getting built soon or anything like that.
June 20, 20222 yr 35 minutes ago, DTCL11 said: Honestly though... Is it imminent? No Are there folks with pull or future political ambitions in New Albany who have those aspirations? Probably A few decades from now might they have some sort of merger or annexation? Maybe Will it be called East Albany? Who knows It's all going to depend on how Johnstown sets itself up for the future. It isn't unreasonable to think that annexation is in the future for either. Suburban and exurban annexation is a fairly new battleground in the US. We are used to seeing it with cities and suburb, but suburbs and exurbs are the volatile battlegrounds now. Even in rural/suburban areas around Des Moines. Locally, the Pataskala/Lima Township merger of yonder years harkens to those fears. To push back annexation by bigger suburbs, some rural towns are seeking to annex no man's lands to prevent encroachment. Johnstown, while may never be fully annexed, how much of a buffer will it hold as development surrounds it? Of course, alot of this is impacted by state laws around the country but I wouldn't discount future 'concerns' over annexation or absorption of smaller towns as New Albany grows. As some have said before, more than anything, this is most likely going to lead to further unmitigated suburban growth. That's going to come with lots of battles, requests for annexation, etc. More than many have probably seen. I agree with you here. Johnstown getting annexed into New Albany could be a very real possibility sometime in the future. Is it inevitable? Absolutely not, it's waaaaaaaay too early to have an informed opinion on that, but it isn't something I would be taking off the table at this point. Just look at all the townships and what not on the western edge of LC, they are all trying to revamp their zoning regulations now so they can control development within their boundaries in the future. Could these areas be annexed into other towns? Yes. Will they be? Only time will tell here. I would assume none of these places want to be annexed, but I'm sure it'll be considered at some point.
June 20, 20222 yr Johnstown on its own is a big enough town to expand and it’s in a different township. Why would they even consider being absorbed by New Albany?
June 20, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, jonoh81 said: The last thing the region needs is another big retail development that will be outdated and abandoned in 20 years when the next wave gets built even further out. It's just cannibalization. Usually the lifespan of these developments goes something like this. It's enormously successful initially and continues for several decades. Then, and you never know what the trigger date will be, the perception of crime takes hold and it begins to whittle away percentages of customers who refuse to shop there anymore. Soon that percentage of people staying away dramatically alters the profit margin of the complex and they have to cut costs and the type of stores opening are of a lower quality. We saw it here locally with Eastland, Westland, Northland, and City Center. The only mall I can think of that's still vibrant after decades is the Mall of America in Minneapolis. Sooner or later, Easton will begin to deteriorate.
June 20, 20222 yr Haha, no it's because the income of the area drops or simply doesn't keep up with inflation. Or someone opens up another mall and coaxes the tenants into it. When the income levels are depressed more money goes to basic essentials and less to discretionary.
June 21, 20222 yr 17 hours ago, TIm said: I could have sworn I still saw the for sale sign when I drove past it twice yesterday, but I could be completely wrong there and just assumed it was still there since that for sale sign predates me living in Ohio aka it was 6+ years old haha. Oh, the sign is up still, but that doesn't really mean anything out here any more. They'll stay up until the NDA's are lifted and/or the auditors site is updated.
June 21, 20222 yr 14 hours ago, GCrites80s said: Haha, no it's because the income of the area drops or simply doesn't keep up with inflation. Or someone opens up another mall and coaxes the tenants into it. When the income levels are depressed more money goes to basic essentials and less to discretionary. "The Lord gives them eyes, but they cannot see."
June 21, 20222 yr Most Walmarts are crime dens yet those same people you speak of go there constantly. Edited June 21, 20222 yr by GCrites80s Clarity
June 21, 20222 yr I'm just kind of surprised anyone brings up Mall of America as a healthy example in the context of the traditional retail mall. Or that Mall of America is described as 'vibrant'. Mall of America is meh at best. It's a combination average large market 80s/90s mall and IX Indoor amusement park. The mall isn't what has prevented other regional malls from taking over. It's the attractions. They know the traditional mall that MOA offers is a relic of the past which is why most of their future plans are attractions, hotels, conference space etc. They offer very little in changing the shopping or retail experience from what it was in the 1990s and their retail offerings aren't anything special. Let's be honest, Nickelodeon Universe itself is a hold on 1990s.
June 22, 20222 yr Not a huge surprise here, but another hurdle cleared nonetheless to get us closer to seeing dirt move on site... New Albany City Council approves 30-year, 100% tax abatement for Intel plant "Intel Corp.'s planned semiconductor complex in New Albany promises big economic returns for central Ohio and the entire state, New Albany City Council was told June 21, when it voted 5-0 to approve two resolutions related to the planned project. The project is expected to generate $2.8 billion to Ohio's annual gross state product. Intel plans to invest $20 billion to build two semiconductor facilities and related buildings on about 848 acres in an area south of Green Chapel Road and west of Mink Street on land annexed from Jersey Township in Licking County. Chrysler told council that teams from New Albany and Columbus are negotiating provisions of the water and sewer contracts and are expected to be finished in about two weeks." https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/communities/new-albany/2022/06/22/new-albany-ohio-30-year-100-percent-tax-abatements-intel/7700919001/
June 23, 20222 yr Intel Warns Ohio Factory Could be Delayed Due to Congress' Inaction on Chips Act. Intel seems to be getting antsy about the Federal "Chips Act" getting approved. Both the House and the Senate have approved their own version of the bill and it was then sent to committee to iron out the differences. Sherrod Brown was chosen to head the committee but so far there has been nothing to report. I tried calling Brown's office in DC and Columbus but all I got was leave your name, number, and message and we'll get back with you.
June 23, 20222 yr 9 minutes ago, John7165 said: Intel Warns Ohio Factory Could be Delayed Due to Congress' Inaction on Chips Act. Intel seems to be getting antsy about the Federal "Chips Act" getting approved. Both the House and the Senate have approved their own version of the bill and it was then sent to committee to iron out the differences. Sherrod Brown was chosen to head the committee but so far there has been nothing to report. I tried calling Brown's office in DC and Columbus but all I got was leave your name, number, and message and we'll get back with you. I just found this: Intel Delays Groundbreaking Ceremony for Ohio Plant Amid Uncertainty Over Chips Legislation "The company still plans to build the Ohio chips facility, but frustrated about status of proposed law supporting U.S. semiconductor industry. Intel has told lawmakers and officials that it is delaying indefinitely the groundbreaking ceremony for a planned multibillion-dollar chip-manufacturing facility in Ohio, signaling frustration over uncertainty in Congress about legislation that would provide support for the U.S. chip industry." The groundbreaking ceremony was planned for July 22 https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-delays-groundbreaking-ceremony-for-ohio-plant-amid-uncertainty-over-chips-legislation-11656004874
June 23, 20222 yr 8 minutes ago, Luvcbus said: I just found this: Intel Delays Groundbreaking Ceremony for Ohio Plant Amid Uncertainty Over Chips Legislation "The company still plans to build the Ohio chips facility, but frustrated about status of proposed law supporting U.S. semiconductor industry. Intel has told lawmakers and officials that it is delaying indefinitely the groundbreaking ceremony for a planned multibillion-dollar chip-manufacturing facility in Ohio, signaling frustration over uncertainty in Congress about legislation that would provide support for the U.S. chip industry." The groundbreaking ceremony was planned for July 22 https://www.wsj.com/articles/intel-delays-groundbreaking-ceremony-for-ohio-plant-amid-uncertainty-over-chips-legislation-11656004874 Maybe we should rename the "Chips Act" to some form of arms package to Ukraine. Those seem to pass congress with ease.
June 23, 20222 yr 7 minutes ago, John7165 said: Maybe we should rename the "Chips Act" to some form of arms package to Ukraine. Those seem to pass congress with ease. They should be able to get this ironed out. There's currently bipartisan support in both the House and Senate for the CHIPS act. And Biden has said he will sign it when it gets to his desk. Both already approved their own version of the bill... Sherrod Brown was recently appointed to serve on a committee to reconcile the differences between The House version and The Senate version... (From April 7th) "Today, U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH) was appointed to serve as a conferee on the committee that will reconcile the differences between the House’s America Creating Opportunities for Manufacturing, Pre-Eminence in Technology and Economic Strength (COMPETES) Act of 2022 and the Senate’s U.S. Innovation and Competition Act (USICA). Brown expects a quick negotiation of a final bill to send to the president’s desk to be signed into law. Brown has been pushing for action to support American semiconductor production, which is key to supporting investments in Ohio’s manufacturing. In February, Intel announced a $20 billion investment to build a semiconductor plant in New Albany, which is expected to create 10,000 jobs. The America COMPETES Act will boost Intel’s initial investment to create thousands of additional jobs in Ohio." Edited June 23, 20222 yr by Luvcbus
June 23, 20222 yr Another article I found doesn't describe as much "doom and gloom" "Tech giant Intel Corp. says it will delay its planned ceremonial groundbreaking for a massive semiconductor manufacturing facility in the Columbus area. The company laid out its decision in an email to Gov. Mike DeWine and members of the congressional delegation, citing “uncertainty” over federal legislation that would provide funding to reshore microchip manufacturing to the United States. The groundbreaking ceremony was scheduled for July 22. The move is not a signal that Intel is delaying or canceling construction of the planned $20 billion plant, which could expand to become a $100 billion facility and will continue as planned." https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/intel-delays-ceremonial-groundbreaking-for-multibillion-dollar-manufacturing-facility-near-columbus.html
June 23, 20222 yr Sounds like Intel trying to light a fire under lawmakers’ butts. I hope they get the ball rolling on CHIPS soon. Intel said late Thursday afternoon that work is continuing as planned for the New Albany factories but confirmed that it plans to delay the ground-breaking ceremony for the factories to dramatize the importance of the CHIPS Act. https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/06/23/intel-hints-delays-ohio-project-if-federal-money-isnt-approved/7712685001/ ”For dramatic effect” haha
June 24, 20222 yr Intel is just trying to provide pressure to Congress. This indicates to me that Intel wants to move up the time table for the expansion phases. Looks like they want to build 4 fabs in the initial phase, but need the help for financing. A groundbreaking with framing of 4 fabs in the background might be even better. I expect Senator Brown will get this through rather soon since a version has been approved in both chambers. Looking forward to site work to begin.
June 24, 20222 yr Mega fabs and mega cranes: A look at Intel's ambitious construction Georgian architecture is an impractical ask for Intel’s planned New Albany manufacturing facility, but it very likely will have plenty of white fencing. Aaron Blawn, corporate services site manager, led media members on a construction tour Thursday of the semiconductor company’s two new fabs being built in Chandler, a $20 billion project that has a year’s head start on similar work coming to Central Ohio that also carries a $20 billion estimate. One key point was that Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) aims to match the community in which it locates. Just as the native rocks and trees that dot the desert landscape match Chandler’s aesthetic, so, too, it plans to echo the look and feel of New Albany. It won’t just be a new look for Intel. With an open 900-acre site, Ohio General Manger Jim Evers said the company will be able to master plan the site in a way they weren’t able to at the Ocotillo campus in Arizona. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/24/mega-fabs-mega-cranes-a-look-at-intels-constru.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 25, 20222 yr "Intel expects to hire 50% of its Ohio workforce in 2023-2024" Got this off a reddit thread... "Intel plans to open its $20 billion New Albany operation in three years, but those interested in working there should start polishing up those resumes now – especially those who are still in school. The California-based maker of semiconductors on Thursday said it hopes to have 50% of its initial 3,000-person Ohio workforce hired in 2023 and 2024, well ahead of the New Albany opening. Intel has begun its outreach to colleges and universities across the state and plans to recruit graduating seniors and those in the final year of technical programs. "We’re going to be hiring 2023 grads.” Getting people on board early is key because those first waves of employees will be sent to existing Intel facilities to work and train for 12 to 18 months. “We can’t open a factory with all brand new people,” Harper said. Intel said approximately 70% of the jobs will be technicians, 25% will be engineers and the remaining 5% are support roles. Harper said there are countless degrees and experiences that are transferable to the semiconductor industry – electrical engineering, mechanical engineers, computer science, materials science, mechanics, HVAC, etc. Dozens of Ohio jobs are posted now, though much of that is related to construction." "Tapping directly into colleges and universities is an important tactic for Intel, especially in a state that doesn’t have an established semiconductor workforce. The company already announced a 10-year, $100 million education and research investment in Ohio – $50 million from Intel with a $50 million match from the National Science Foundation. Harper said that despite not having that specialty at the moment, there are countless degrees and experiences that are transferable to the semiconductor industry – electrical engineering, mechanical engineers, computer science, materials science, mechanics, HVAC, etc. “We’ll train them once they get inside (Intel),” she said. “We can take it the rest of the way.” As Intel establishes itself in Ohio, it will work more closely with colleges and universities on curriculum and programs to help build that pipeline of expertise. Key partners in Arizona, for example, include Arizona State University, the University of Arizona and Maricopa Community Colleges. Jeff Goss, assistant dean of ASU’s engineering school, spoke at the event and said Intel and the university have developed a dozen graduate courses aimed at the semiconductor industry as well as digital and augmented reality programs for further education, to name a few examples. Intel’s outreach extends to the high schools and vocational school level as well where the company has numerous STEM-supporting initiatives." https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/24/intel-expects-to-hire-50-of-its-ohio-workforce-in.html
June 25, 20222 yr 1 hour ago, John7165 said: "Intel expects to hire 50% of its Ohio workforce in 2023-2024" Got this off a reddit thread... "Intel plans to open its $20 billion New Albany operation in three years, but those interested in working there should start polishing up those resumes now – especially those who are still in school. The California-based maker of semiconductors on Thursday said it hopes to have 50% of its initial 3,000-person Ohio workforce hired in 2023 and 2024, well ahead of the New Albany opening. Intel has begun its outreach to colleges and universities across the state and plans to recruit graduating seniors and those in the final year of technical programs. "We’re going to be hiring 2023 grads.” Getting people on board early is key because those first waves of employees will be sent to existing Intel facilities to work and train for 12 to 18 months. “We can’t open a factory with all brand new people,” Harper said. Intel said approximately 70% of the jobs will be technicians, 25% will be engineers and the remaining 5% are support roles. Harper said there are countless degrees and experiences that are transferable to the semiconductor industry – electrical engineering, mechanical engineers, computer science, materials science, mechanics, HVAC, etc. Dozens of Ohio jobs are posted now, though much of that is related to construction." "Tapping directly into colleges and universities is an important tactic for Intel, especially in a state that doesn’t have an established semiconductor workforce. The company already announced a 10-year, $100 million education and research investment in Ohio – $50 million from Intel with a $50 million match from the National Science Foundation. Harper said that despite not having that specialty at the moment, there are countless degrees and experiences that are transferable to the semiconductor industry – electrical engineering, mechanical engineers, computer science, materials science, mechanics, HVAC, etc. “We’ll train them once they get inside (Intel),” she said. “We can take it the rest of the way.” As Intel establishes itself in Ohio, it will work more closely with colleges and universities on curriculum and programs to help build that pipeline of expertise. Key partners in Arizona, for example, include Arizona State University, the University of Arizona and Maricopa Community Colleges. Jeff Goss, assistant dean of ASU’s engineering school, spoke at the event and said Intel and the university have developed a dozen graduate courses aimed at the semiconductor industry as well as digital and augmented reality programs for further education, to name a few examples. Intel’s outreach extends to the high schools and vocational school level as well where the company has numerous STEM-supporting initiatives." https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/24/intel-expects-to-hire-50-of-its-ohio-workforce-in.html That was me! Lol
June 27, 20222 yr We were just out in New Albany, so i took a spin around the Intel site again. Clearing continues in multiple different areas on and around the site: The Jug Street rebuilding and widening is moving along as well Crews were also building a new roundabout where Jug Street and the new Harrison Rd Extension come together.
June 27, 20222 yr On 6/23/2022 at 2:33 PM, John7165 said: Intel Warns Ohio Factory Could be Delayed Due to Congress' Inaction on Chips Act. Intel seems to be getting antsy about the Federal "Chips Act" getting approved. Both the House and the Senate have approved their own version of the bill and it was then sent to committee to iron out the differences. Sherrod Brown was chosen to head the committee but so far there has been nothing to report. I tried calling Brown's office in DC and Columbus but all I got was leave your name, number, and message and we'll get back with you. I hadn't seen this until today... (let's hope they're right!) “We expressed our belief that there is no reason that we should not pass this bill through Congress in July,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said in a statement following a meeting about the chip-related legislation on Tuesday." https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/25/23182727/intel-groundbreaking-ceremony-delayed-government-funding-chips-act
June 27, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, CbusOrBust said: We were just out in New Albany, so i took a spin around the Intel site again. Clearing continues in multiple different areas on and around the site: The Jug Street rebuilding and widening is moving along as well Crews were also building a new roundabout where Jug Street and the new Harrison Rd Extension come together. Your photos are always great. For those of us who don't live in the area anymore, these updates are nice to see.
June 27, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, John7165 said: Your photos are always great. For those of us who don't live in the area anymore, these updates are nice to see. Thanks! I love seeing all the development going on seemingly everywhere across Franklin County!
June 29, 20222 yr From New Albany Connects: "We're about to see an increase in truck traffic on Mink Street throughout the month of July associated with prep work ahead of Intel’s investment in New Albany and the region." The 3+ minute video with lots more details can be found here: https://t.co/p0G6txhBHZ
June 29, 20222 yr The last remaining big hurdle to clear got approval Friday... Ohio EPA Issues Permit for Licking County Isolated Wetlands "Ohio EPA issued an isolated wetlands permit today for a project to construct semiconductor manufacturing facilities in Licking County. The application for the permit was submitted by MBJ Holdings, LLC. Discharges from the activity will impact approximately 10 acres of isolated wetlands. MBJ Holdings, LLC will offset these impacts with more than 20 acres of wetland mitigation. Before issuing the permit as final, Ohio EPA reviewed the company’s application to ensure it would comply with state standards, laws, and regulations. Ohio EPA also held a public information session and hearing about the project in May 2022 in New Albany. Ohio EPA reviewed and considered public comments received at the meeting and during the public comment period." https://epa.ohio.gov/about/media-center/news/ohio-epa-issues-permit-for-licking-county-isolated-wetlands Edited June 29, 20222 yr by Luvcbus
June 30, 20222 yr Intel's impact: Water supply 'crucial' for semiconductor complex, but agreement not finalized Building semiconductors, as Intel Corp. plans to do at its $20 billion New Albany complex, requires a lot of water. The average semiconductor fab uses somewhere between 2 million and 4 million gallons of water per day, according to a study completed for the Columbus Foundation by research firm AECOM. New Albany Economic Development Manager Michael Loges pegged the Central Ohio complex's demand at about 5 million gallons a day. That water is expected to come from the city of Columbus, given New Albany's existing contract with the city for its business park, Loges said. Per year, the Columbus delivers more than 51 billion gallons of water to about 1.26 million people. Intel's usage is expected to increase Columbus' water output — which averages 141.9 million gallons a day — by about 3.5% on a daily and annual basis. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/30/intel-infrastructure-columbus-new-albany-deal.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
June 30, 20222 yr 2 minutes ago, ColDayMan said: Per year, the Columbus delivers more than 51 billion gallons of water to about 1.26 million people. Intel's usage is expected to increase Columbus' water output — which averages 141.9 million gallons a day — by about 3.5% on a daily and annual basis. Not only are we home to THE Ohio State University, but we will also henceforth be referred to as THE Columbus.
June 30, 20222 yr 3 hours ago, ColDayMan said: — by about 3.5% on a daily and annual basis. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2022/06/30/intel-infrastructure-columbus-new-albany-deal.html That's a surprisingly significant impact on the city's water usage. No wonder they decided continuing to build fabs in a desert wasn't the best idea. You'd also think with water demands that high Intel would invest in on-site water recycling.
June 30, 20222 yr The goal is that they will be recycling and reusing nearly 100% of the water within a handful of years. Without going back through everything, I believe this build is supposed to be nearly 100% sustainable as possible.
July 1, 20222 yr 2 hours ago, 17thState said: That's a surprisingly significant impact on the city's water usage. No wonder they decided continuing to build fabs in a desert wasn't the best idea. You'd also think with water demands that high Intel would invest in on-site water recycling. "Intel has set out a range of environmental goals for the next decade, including a shift to 100% green energy, zero landfill waste from its manufacturing operations, and a target of “net-positive water use." https://fortune.com/2020/05/14/intel-water-net-positive-csr-diversity/
July 1, 20222 yr Although site clearing on the Intel property began back in February, we hadn't heard any specific dates for when construction on site was supposed to start- until late last night... WBNS is reporting that Intel representatives met with Johnstown residents and other nearby residents Thursday evening to detail construction schedules. In that meeting they revealed new renderings of the project and said they are beginning construction on site today: "An Intel spokesperson tells 10TV the meeting focused on the overall development including new renderings of the project and the white picket fencing that will circle it. Intel said homeowners were shown the berms that will be constructed to block noise and lighting at the site. Intel was expected to detail construction schedules that it said will begin this Friday and likely involve a six-day work week." https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/intel-meets-homeowners-near-future-to-site-in-closed-door-meeting/530-488929a0-b9e7-4818-af9c-518706162be6
July 1, 20222 yr Did a little snooping on the Ohio EPA site and found a slightly different than what we've seen site plan on the wetland permit. We can assume the dark lines are phase 1, and anything in light lines is CHIPS Act - gated plans. https://edocpub.epa.ohio.gov/publicportal/ViewDocument.aspx?docid=1757524
July 1, 20222 yr 7 hours ago, Luvcbus said: Although site clearing on the Intel property began back in February, we hadn't heard any specific dates for when construction on site was supposed to start- until late last night... WBNS is reporting that Intel representatives met with Johnstown residents and other nearby residents Thursday evening to detail construction schedules. In that meeting they revealed new renderings of the project and said they are beginning construction on site today: "An Intel spokesperson tells 10TV the meeting focused on the overall development including new renderings of the project and the white picket fencing that will circle it. Intel said homeowners were shown the berms that will be constructed to block noise and lighting at the site. Intel was expected to detail construction schedules that it said will begin this Friday and likely involve a six-day work week." https://www.10tv.com/article/news/local/intel-meets-homeowners-near-future-to-site-in-closed-door-meeting/530-488929a0-b9e7-4818-af9c-518706162be6 Dispatch has an article on the groundbreaking too, plus an update on the Chips act: https://www.dispatch.com/story/business/2022/07/01/intel-construction-starts-what-expect-economic-development-project/7782748001/ 🙄
July 1, 20222 yr Without getting too far down a political rabbit hole, the more time that has passed I honestly don't think the CHIPS act will pass prior to election. While incredibly impactful for many reasons, it's too obsolete in the daily lives of most Americans that there isn't as much political momentum behind it as there is political leverage over it. And that goes with my original hesitations and tampering of expectations. Any project that relies so heavily on incentives, lending legislation, or 'finding the pieces of the funding puzzle' should be met with caution. Factories to residential towers. Intel will have an impact, but how much is probably overblown with so much in the hands of politics. Where on the scale of FoxConn will Intel fall? I know people get hyped up over the 'largest investment in state history' but that's the nature of the build. For reference, FoxxConn promised 13,000 jobs with $10 bil in investment. Ford is adding 1800 jobs with a $1.5 bil expansion in Avon Lake. The 'guaranteed' part of Intel is 3,000 jobs with $20 billion investment. So whether that 80-100 billion pipe dream means much at this point, I'm not convinced. Build it. They will come. What the impacts of Intel will be beyond the surrounding towns... I'm skeptical.... still. Edited July 1, 20222 yr by DTCL11
July 2, 20222 yr Latest Dispatch article on the effect Intel could have on Central Ohio https://www.dispatch.com/restricted/return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dispatch.com%2Fstory%2Fbusiness%2F2022%2F07%2F01%2Fintel-ohio-plants-turn-new-albany-into-chandler-arizona%2F7662549001%2F Some highlights from the article: "Intel in the 1980s transformed an agrarian economy in the central valley and the southeast valley (of Phoenix) into this now hotbed of tech, the most advanced companies in the world," said Chris Camacho, president and CEO of the Greater Phoenix Economic Council, the region's economic development arm. To his point, a business corridor in Chandler that leads to Intel is filled with big-name companies, including Northrop Grumman, Wells Fargo and GM Financial. "The type of employee who came here because of Intel is a higher wage earner with more disposable income," he said. Intel's investment in Chandler is now up to $52 billion, counting the two fabs that are under construction. Intel — already Chandler's largest employer — will employ 15,000 workers when those factories are finished in 2024. The city says indirect employment from Intel's factories is now up to 55,000 workers. Having Intel inside Ohio is a good thing," Chandler Mayor Kevin Hartke said. "It will benefit the local communities. It will raise education. It will benefit the state coffers." Dennis Hoffman, director of the L. William Seidman Research Institute at the W.P. Carey School of Business at Arizona State University and director of ASU's Office of the University Economist, agreed. "Extending manufacturing in Ohio to electronics will be an important diversification strategy for the region. It will help lead to growth and prosperity in Ohio in a fashion that will tend to parallel that of Phoenix," he said. Both of Intel's two Chandler campuses were once farms. Over time, they have become surrounded by homes, offices and other businesses on what was also once farmland. Residential areas are as close as 1,000 feet to the Intel site, including a retirement community just south of Intel's Ocotillo campus in Chandler. Intel's arrival launched a supply chain of companies in gases, chemicals, tool and dye, and machining, the bulk of which are located within about an hour's drive from Chandler to be close to Intel. Other semiconductor companies such as Taiwan Semiconductor and Microchip have also set up shop in the region. "This is a catalyst," Camacho said of Intel's plans for Ohio. "Eyes-wide-open catalysts create change. That means new retail. That means new multifamily. That means more single-family (homes)." It's also been a catalyst for small businesses that serve Intel... In Chandler, everyone either works for Intel, has a relative who works for Intel or knows someone who works for Intel. "I'm so glad Intel is in our town," said Bob Harvey, 82, who lives in a neighborhood right across the street from Intel's factories. Like others in the neighborhood, Harvey said Intel has been a good neighbor and treated residents with respect. Chandler leaders praise the company as well, citing Intel's tens of thousands of volunteer hours with schools every year, and the company's willingness to work with neighbors and the city to resolve all the issues that come with a big company being located in a town in the desert where water is always top of mind. Planning manager De La Torre said in his 23 years with the city, he's never gotten a complaint about Intel. He said he can't same the same about other companies in Chandler. Intel's presence also has created a more diverse community than other Arizona cities that are primarily white and Latino. "I'm not trying to be a commercial, but the relationships are good. It's a mutually beneficial relationship for the residents of Chandler," said Micah Miranda, the city's economic development director. "It's beneficial for Intel. Everybody has been working with them for years." "They take the feedback they get from stakeholders, their neighbors, seriously," Miranda said. "They listen. They work to avoid a situation. If they do cause one, they actively work to solve it. ... They actually do stuff." Intel will definitely impact New Albany, De La Torre said. "Yes, it will change the community. Yes it will trigger growth," he said. "That's what we saw in Chandler, but you control it and the (New Albany area) should prepare plans. If it is controlled in a manageable way, it benefits the city and benefits the residents, too." Intel has promised to set up a similar system in New Albany that it uses in Chandler to communicate with neighbors about construction and other issues to avoid surprises and to take suggestions on how to handle the landscaping around the New Albany operations, for example. It will set up a 24-hour hotline that neighbors with problems can call."
July 2, 20222 yr 23 hours ago, DTCL11 said: Without getting too far down a political rabbit hole, the more time that has passed I honestly don't think the CHIPS act will pass prior to election. While incredibly impactful for many reasons, it's too obsolete in the daily lives of most Americans that there isn't as much political momentum behind it as there is political leverage over it. With as much power the automakers have over Washington they can hem and haw over the CHIPS act for a while but at the end of the day the politicians almost always do what the automakers want. Way too many trucks sitting at Kentucky Speedway awaiting chips and auto industry influence over McConnell himself since automotive is Kentucky's most important industry by far. Car lots are 20% full still and entire model lines are stalled just so that some of their do-or-die pickup trucks get into Boomer hands. Don't piss off a Boomer by denying them their F-150s!
July 2, 20222 yr 23 hours ago, DTCL11 said: Without getting too far down a political rabbit hole, the more time that has passed I honestly don't think the CHIPS act will pass prior to election. While incredibly impactful for many reasons, it's too obsolete in the daily lives of most Americans that there isn't as much political momentum behind it as there is political leverage over it. And that goes with my original hesitations and tampering of expectations. Any project that relies so heavily on incentives, lending legislation, or 'finding the pieces of the funding puzzle' should be met with caution. Factories to residential towers. Intel will have an impact, but how much is probably overblown with so much in the hands of politics. Where on the scale of FoxConn will Intel fall? I know people get hyped up over the 'largest investment in state history' but that's the nature of the build. For reference, FoxxConn promised 13,000 jobs with $10 bil in investment. Ford is adding 1800 jobs with a $1.5 bil expansion in Avon Lake. The 'guaranteed' part of Intel is 3,000 jobs with $20 billion investment. So whether that 80-100 billion pipe dream means much at this point, I'm not convinced. Build it. They will come. What the impacts of Intel will be beyond the surrounding towns... I'm skeptical.... still. I would argue that it’s passage is actually very relevant to many of the headlines we’ve been seeing dominate the past couple of years—supply chain, inflation, national security. But I would say you’re right, that we may not see it pass until after the election. I was reading in a separate article that Republicans on the committee aimed to stall it, because they didn’t want to hand Biden another legislative win right before the midterm elections. Whether or not Intel, et al. actually need this handout to make the business work, I don’t know enough about the semiconductor industry to say. But my guess is, even without CHIPS, we’ll eventually see additional fabs beyond the initial two built in New Albany. Maybe just not as quickly as we would have otherwise.
July 2, 20222 yr 25 minutes ago, Kriegs said: The sprawl resulting from this development will be insane. Yep, and not a single word about public transit. Building 5 lane roads but ignoring a better way to travel. It’s going to be horrible to get around central Ohio in 10 years
July 3, 20222 yr 7 hours ago, VintageLife said: Yep, and not a single word about public transit. Building 5 lane roads but ignoring a better way to travel. It’s going to be horrible to get around central Ohio in 10 years Well everyone always wants to be like Austin, can't do that without mind numbing traffic.
July 5, 20222 yr ^That looks like a parking lot. Is it near the road? Probably the beginnings of a field office. The equipment on site is not big enough for a mass excavation of a site this large.
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