18 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said:

 

Yayyyy

Finally! Welp, there's no going back now lol.

5 hours ago, urbanetics_ said:

 

That's a really unique angle, really dig it!

The set back of PNC Tower will allow some great city views looking down Euclid, for future west facing Centennial apartment dwellers. All gaps filled.

Edited February 4, 20223 yr by marty15

You're so right @marty15 about the new views here!  I think this will create something more of an open air room at 9th & Euclid and help to activate the small park in front of PNC with residents and workers from both new developments.  This was my top #1 lunch spot on sunny afternoons when I worked at the May Company, then Huntington Bank while in college - for the best people watching in town.

 

Public square will soon be a complete outdoor room again, and Playhouse Square has surely arrived over the years to become a bookend for the three.

 

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All of this pleases me so.

Edited February 5, 20223 yr by ExPatClevGuy

From today, still moving dirt around. 

23 minutes ago, MayDay said:

From today, still moving dirt around. 

 

Need to keep a chair in that glass room/entryway for UO foreman forumers to watch the crews working. 

1 hour ago, MayDay said:

From today, still moving dirt around. 

Hippodrome remains 😞

Not quite sure if I’d call this “world class signage” 😉 but at least there’s finally something up, especially before NBA All-Star Weekend! Hopefully some renderings will go up as well, but this does make a difference.

3 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said:

Not quite sure if I’d call this “world class signage” 😉 but at least there’s finally something up, especially before NBA All-Star Weekend! Hopefully some renderings will go up as well, but this does make a difference.

Really does make a differences :-) 

Close enough to world class signage 😄

That first picture shows what a huge gap this is going to fill... I am so excited this project was able to begin construction.

Hey, and the red does make it pop lol.

I love how these aerial photos have become so common place:

 

 

Great to see the work start in person. (2-10-22)

 

 

 

Has eastbound Euclid been closed here since the start of construction? I'm ok with re-routing cars onto E6th and Vincent, but the Healthline should be able to keep running down this block. Hopefully it won't be for too much longer. 

 

11 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

Has eastbound Euclid been closed here since the start of construction? I'm ok with re-routing cars onto E6th and Vincent, but the Healthline should be able to keep running down this block. Hopefully it won't be for too much longer. 

 

All of Euclid from 6th to 9th was closed at the very beginning.  Then westbound opened up later, and yes the healthline has been detouring on prospect the whole time.

Edited February 11, 20223 yr by sizzlinbeef

https://www.cityclubapartments.com/usa/cleveland-oh/downtown/cca-cbd-cleveland/explore/

Ugh, my camera card went on the fritz so just some quick iphone pics.

 

 

 

 

 

I really hope the top of this building is not the same as seen in massings/mockups.  I know design/style is personal, but it is not attractive and will make the building instantly "dated".  Nor will it play nice with neighboring buildings.

 

I'm all for more modern functional housing - yes.  This particular building - no.

48 minutes ago, MyTwoSense said:

I really hope the top of this building is not the same as seen in massings/mockups.  I know design/style is personal, but it is not attractive and will make the building instantly "dated".  Nor will it play nice with neighboring buildings.

 

I'm all for more modern functional housing - yes.  This particular building - no.

Kinda give it that Pinnacle Condo's vibe?  I get ya.  Pinnacle looks rough now for a relatively newish building.  But that's probably moreso due to the exposed steel.  Hopefully this one doesn't go the way of that.  

Edited March 8, 20223 yr by Jenny

The roof element will be different- and it looks like Cleveland will get some blue paneling instead of gray- but it will otherwise look similar to the one they built in Minneapolis.  All in all- not bad.  The architect's website has some nice photos. 

https://bkvgroup.com/projects/city-club-apartments-cbd-minneapolis/

 

Apologies for the off-topic post - but here's another city (been there several times) with arguably worse weather and they somehow manage to not have downtown roads that look like a third-world country.  Some might not notice but the crumbling infrastructure - even in our most vibrant areas - but it really neutralizes much of the positive impact of the new development.  Back on topic - I really like the street-level on this one.

 

That is a nice looking building.  I suppose there is an advantage to being on a corner instead of sandwiched between two older buildings.

I just kind of feel that if what we have to be concerned about is how the top of this new baby might not fit in with the neighbors - well, I’ll take that as a measure of progress about how far Cleveland has come in recent years…

 

Design is a personal preference, but I, for one, can’t wait for City Club to disrupt the neighborhood a bit! 

 

 

Edited March 9, 20223 yr by CleveFan
Grammar

Honestly, the top of the building is 20 something stories up, so it's capacity to be a disruptive presence is pretty limited to skyline shots.  What matters at the scale of a neighborhood is what's happening at the ground level.

2 hours ago, CleveFan said:

I just kind of feel that if what we have to be concerned about is how the top of this new baby might not fit in with the neighbors - well, I’ll take that as a measure of progress about how far Cleveland has come in recent years…

 

Design is a personal preference, but I, for one, can’t wait to City Club disrupt the neighborhood a little bit! 

 

 

 

Agreed! At first I was a little off put by the Beacon's design but now I enjoy how it breaks up some monotony. This should do the same nicely. 

The Minneapolis building looks really nice and better than what they are building in Cleveland. It has a more classic design that will blend it better with the surroundings and age well. The blueish purple exterior and sloped roof on the Cleveland building won’t age as well. It’s too trendy. I’m still happy to see a parking lot go away.

1 hour ago, mthompson said:

The Minneapolis building looks really nice and better than what they are building in Cleveland. It has a more classic design that will blend it better with the surroundings and age well. The blueish purple exterior and sloped roof on the Cleveland building won’t age as well. It’s too trendy. 

 

Haha I agree mostly, but I'll argue that purple color has never been trendy, save for maybe a short time period in the late 1980's. 

the minny version is ok, but i prefer the mid-block cle version by quite a bit.

 

it's more vibrant, for good or bad, i would say good -- and the street presence is better with the proposed little cafe in the corner.

 

one thing the mpls city club pic makes me recall from visiting that city is that as they are booming along and filling in downtown toward the river you get a lot of remarkable 360 views of all their new buildings and that is very cool.

14 hours ago, X said:

Honestly, the top of the building is 20 something stories up, so it's capacity to be a disruptive presence is pretty limited to skyline shots.  What matters at the scale of a neighborhood is what's happening at the ground level.

I'd go even further. At 20 stories, it's both too tall to be a big feature from ground level and too short to stick out prominently in the skyline.

The top of City Club will look better than this.  Maybe they can do something with that side eventually.

Edited March 9, 20223 yr by LibertyBlvd

I agree that the design and color scheme of the City Club Apartments will be a dramatic departure from anything else at East 9th and Euclid, but because of those differences I think it will add some visual excitement to the area.

There can be too much harmony in any area-resulting in-

Monotony.

BKV has designed other City Club projects in the Midwest as well.  The Cleveland project looks like it will be more colorful than Minneapolis, but much less colorful than the City Club projects in Detroit or KC.  Of course, the renderings are not as polished as renderings tend to be these days-perhaps intentionally.  I think the renderings leave a little to the imagination when it comes to color and materiality.  Looking forward to seeing what the actual product looks like, and glad they're being a little adventurous.  You can check out those other projects on their website.

 

https://bkvgroup.com/our-work/

 

I am just hoping the owner has not valued engineered this thing to death as rumored.  I imagine most of that would be interior elements.

19 minutes ago, ArtMasterCLE said:

I agree that the design and color scheme of the City Club Apartments will be a dramatic departure from anything else at East 9th and Euclid, but because of those differences I think it will add some visual excitement to the area.

There can be too much harmony in any area-resulting in-

Monotony.

 

I don't think anyone wants more gray/beige sameness, but is it too far-fetched in the city with Sherwin Williams to come up with some appropriate color palette befitting a northern coastal city? 

Edited March 9, 20223 yr by surfohio
palette not palate

1 hour ago, LibertyBlvd said:

The top of City Club will look better than this.  Maybe they can do something with that side eventually.

During the NBA All Star weekend, that wall was a billboard for New Balance using a high-power projector from the City Club building. It looked great.

^ About the only thing I don't like is that blank wall. That is a big fail unless something is in the works. But since City Club doesn't own the 668 building I doubt they have much say. Maybe the 668 people will see this as an opportunity to do something creative (doubt it) with the space. Then again, at some point ownership did add that top piece facing Euclid so maybe something gets done. 

 

One of my pet peeves is the numerous blank (unfinished) walls on some of the downtown buildings. The Standard's huge southern wall cries out for something. Done right it actually has the ability to go from eyesore to an attraction. I know there's been some thought to doing something about it but we'll see. 

I agree that 668's exposed side could be improved.  The return of the cornice bracings should be built out to complete the illusion of a finished top. It would also be nice to reopen the bricked over windows on that wall since it will remain exposed once The City Club Apartments are completed.

 

Edited March 10, 20223 yr by dave2017

I don't mind the blank wall; you see things like that all over in cities.  It's just part of the history of a city.  668 Euclid (Taylor & Son Department Store) was built in 1913, and that wall butted up against the existing Hippodrome (built 1907, demolished in 1981; now the site of City Club Apts).  It was never meant to be seen or exposed.  This was all very typical for the time.  City Club chose to set the building back from the street and not build to the lot line.  Perhaps you could say that is also typical for the times, but I would argue that the large blank wall that we're now stuck with was City Club's choice- not the owners of 668 Euclid.  Maybe the City Club project could have responded more to it's surroundings, rather than expect surrounding buildings to respond to it?

11 minutes ago, Dino said:

I don't mind the blank wall; you see things like that all over in cities.  It's just part of the history of a city.  668 Euclid (Taylor & Son Department Store) was built in 1913, and that wall butted up against the existing Hippodrome (built 1907, demolished in 1981; now the site of City Club Apts).  It was never meant to be seen or exposed. 

It looks like there were windows in the east side of 668 at one time that have been bricked over.  How/why would there be windows on that side if it butted up against the Hippodrome building?

4 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said:

How/why would there be windows on that side if it butted up against the Hippodrome building?

I don't know, there could be several explanations, but I have a theory.  The brick "infill" appears to be the same age and style of the rest of the wall, and I don't see any distinct lintels or jambs.  If these were truly infilled windows I would expect the infill to be a different brick and you'd probably see a sharp vertical line where the new and old brick came together in the window opening.  My guess is that these were never windows in the 668 Euclid Building, but that this wall was built up against existing windows in the Hippodrome Building.  As mortar oozed out of the backside of the brick wall during construction- it probably stuck to the HIppodrome building.  When the Hippodrome came down, it left a faint impression of those windows.  That's my guess.

^Furthermore, the windows on the front don't line up with these openings on the side.  The floor levels wouldn't even line up.  Unless something unusual is going on inside 668, I think this more evidence that the "windows" are actually remanats of a different building.

Dino, I know the reason 668 has a blank eastern wall is because it butted up to the Hippodrome and I know the current blank wall is not the fault of City Club. In fact it appears the City Club setback from Euclid was a conscious decision on their part as they preferred to have a landscaped pull-in drop off/pickup area. And that is a nice look from straight on but to create that entails keeping part of the blank wall. If they had instead chosen to build out to the 668 building the blank wall would be gone BUT they would also have lost the landscaped drop off/pickup. Either decision involves a trade-off. I get that. I also know blank walls are not just a Cleveland thing. 

 

I guess my point was to suggest a modern, better use of those walls where possible. Some aren't too bad but some cry out for something. For me the three worst in Cleveland are the Standard building, the top of the Federal building and the eastern wall of the building on Ontario where the LeBron banner was. Infill would solve that problem while the Standard building is begging for something. I like the idea of a multi-color neon banner. But that's just because I like to see a city light up. Plus it's not my money being spent. Others may hate that idea. As for the Federal building, I doubt anything happens because it's the Feds and apparently they could care less.

Getting the consent of the owners of 668 Euclid to allow them to dress up that wall wouldn't be a huge ask.  It happens all the time.  In fact, looking at City Club's other projects, this might even be their plan.  Check out what they did in KC

1 hour ago, cadmen said:

For me the three worst in Cleveland are the Standard building, the top of the Federal building and the eastern wall of the building on Ontario where the LeBron banner was. 

I think you mean the Superior Building, not the Federal Building.

The Superior building's blank  western wall has been taken up to a significant degree by the Federal Reserve's addition. I did mean the top sections on the northern and eastern sides of the Federal building on East 9th. Those portions were intentionally left unfinished.

Dino, that is an interesting use of color. Not sure l like it but l do appreciate their wild attempts. That sure is thinking outside the box.

I visited skyscraperpage.com today and noticed that City Club has not yet made it to the Cleveland diagram - looking forward to it joining the lineup there - and thanks in advance to the person that makes that happen. 

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Edited April 2, 20223 yr by Agreene
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