February 21, 20205 yr Seems to have a quite a bit of difference in setback compared to 668 next door.
February 21, 20205 yr Maybe I’m blinded by the death of a parking lot but I like it. In a downtown with so much heavy brown, beige and grey I like the quirky brightness of this. What’s wrong with having a blend of all styles? Totally get it’s not for everyone.
February 21, 20205 yr It's different. It's not beige. It'll compliment the Beacon down the road. I love it.
February 21, 20205 yr I've mentioned this before, but I was driving a friend's friend around and he said downtown looked out of the soviet era (harsh) but he did have a little point with all of the conservative architecture and real lack of colors that aren't brown, grey, and black. When we get more things like this our downtown will really have an interesting feel to it. I wish we had a ton of our old downtown architecture like Pittsburgh, but we don't, so here we are- filling in craters where awesome buildings once stood. Here's to this being a future 'awesome building' on Euclid.
February 21, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, GISguy said: I've mentioned this before, but I was driving a friend's friend around and he said downtown looked out of the soviet era (harsh) but he did have a little point with all of the conservative architecture and real lack of colors that aren't brown, grey, and black. When we get more things like this our downtown will really have an interesting feel to it. I wish we had a ton of our old downtown architecture like Pittsburgh, but we don't, so here we are- filling in craters where awesome buildings once stood. Here's to this being a future 'awesome building' on Euclid. Pittsburgh has its fair share of non-historic junk architecture (as well as some newer, conservative architecture). What gives their downtown a nicer feel IMO is the narrow street widths. Our super wide avenues are what give downtown a strange "big but open at the same time" feel.
February 21, 20205 yr 1 minute ago, jam40jeff said: Pittsburgh has its fair share of non-historic junk architecture (as well as some newer, conservative architecture). What gives their downtown a nicer feel IMO is the narrow street widths. Our super wide avenues are what give downtown a strange "big but open at the same time" feel. For sure. I guess the narrow streets just help highlight the older architecture a bit better down there/makes it feel like there's more, not to mention our topography here is a bit different and things aren't forced to be squeezed together in the Golden Triangle. But that's a topic for another thread ? didn't mean to drag things, thanks for pointing that out.
February 21, 20205 yr Perfectly coordinated architectural blocks can be boring - particularly as styles evolve overtime. The eclecticism of a “funky” structure next to a traditional one, to me, is a signature of interesting big cities and creates a special urban energy. In recent years , Cleveland has added a number of modern buildings that have changed the feel of downtown - I think this one will continue that positive trend. Bring it on and hopefully more coming!
February 21, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, mack34 said: I love it!! This city desperately needs a splash of modern design.
February 22, 20205 yr On 2/21/2020 at 3:18 PM, viscomi said: Seems to have a quite a bit of difference in setback compared to 668 next door. YES the sidewalk will be double the width because they want room for patio seating and for street furniture too.
February 22, 20205 yr I think the colors will be great at least initially. Wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t age well, but I also don’t really care. We’ve got a few buildings that didn’t age well, so what’s one more?
February 23, 20205 yr Just now, w28th said: ^Really setting a high bar on design. I’m happy when stuff gets built and when equitable development happens. How many cities are there where 90% of the buildings are attractive? Every city has a bunch of ugly buildings, although obviously in different proportions. I do think the City Club design is attractive, but if it ages poorly, so be it.
February 23, 20205 yr 12 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: They can use Sherwin William's paints to keep it looking fresh! As required by the pending state historic tax credit revisions that will require use of Sherwin Williams paints and coatings for the next 3 generations ?
February 25, 20205 yr On 2/21/2020 at 4:08 PM, mack34 said: I love it!! This city desperately needs a splash of modern design. I'm guessing you mean contemporary. Modernist is an era of Architecture and this does not fit it. Modern architecture, or modernist architecture, was based upon new and innovative technologies of construction, particularly the use of glass, steel and reinforced concrete; the idea that form should follow function (functionalism); an embrace of minimalism; and a rejection of ornament.
February 25, 20205 yr On 1/16/2020 at 2:54 PM, marty15 said: Maybe they prefer “balconies” like they approved for the Langston at CSU. What is this nonsense? Here’s the garbage they sign off on. I suspect that the intent of those "balconies" is to provide a door -- a larger opening than a window, and the door can be opened to let more light and air into the apartment than a window would. The railing is there more as a safety measure when the door is open, and extends across the windows for aesthetic reasons, not to provide outdoor space for the tenants.
February 25, 20205 yr On 2/21/2020 at 1:58 PM, surfohio said: Nobody can convince me that purple color is tasteful on a building. But otherwise I do like the overall design. Go to London. There are wacky colors all over some of the buildings there and its arguably cloudier than Cleveland. I considered it to be a nice change of pace.
February 25, 20205 yr 46 minutes ago, ASP1984 said: There are wacky colors all over some of the buildings there and its arguably cloudier than Cleveland. London sees an average of 1633 hours of sunshine per year. Cleveland sees 2280. Cleveland gets more hours of sunshine in every month of the year than London. For all we dump on Cleveland's weather, Cleveland is also sunnier on average for the year than Columbus, and much sunnier than Pittsburgh. (Columbus gets more sunshine in the winter, but less in the summer.)
February 25, 20205 yr I actually saw blue, not purple...but then again, I saw the gold and white dress not the blue and black.
May 5, 20205 yr Author 15 hours ago, cadmen said: Also, since you feel relatively confident that announced projects will get built have you heard anything more on the City Club building breaking ground this summer? Thanks. I don't feel anything. I share what I know, when I can. And the last I'd heard, City Club is still a go with a January groundbreaking. Edited May 5, 20205 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 28, 20204 yr is there any site prep or poking around here like they are doing for the sw site? it's a colorful apt building and it seems a rare new build geared toward actual regular people living there, not the rich, so it will be a great option downtown. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/proposed-downtown-apartments-would-provide-affordable-living-for-young-professionals
July 28, 20204 yr I think KJP said somewhere in another thread that the fall groundbreaking is pushed back to Qtr 1 2021 because of covid-19. Hopefully he has some new updates on this project.
July 28, 20204 yr 48 minutes ago, mrnyc said: is there any site prep or poking around here like they are doing for the sw site? it's a colorful apt building and it seems a rare new build geared toward actual regular people living there, not the rich, so it will be a great option downtown. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/local-news/cleveland-metro/proposed-downtown-apartments-would-provide-affordable-living-for-young-professionals I may be wrong but I don't believe it has even been to Design Review yet for schematic approval let alone final. I have nothing to base this on other than 15 years on this board and a lifetime in Cleveland seeing projects proposed and not get built but my gut says this is one of the new construction proposals that may not happen. Hope I am wrong. I hate that lot and it is one of the last pieces of the puzzle between Public Square and Playhouse Square (along with 925 Euclid).
July 28, 20204 yr ^ oh geez -- what makes you think that? i thought it was funded and a go for next year, thats why i wondered if anything preliminary was happening as yet??
July 28, 20204 yr *Like I said, no inside information just a gut feeling. Things like it taking so long to enter the city approval pipeline, KJP mentioning that they had to sell something in another city to go ahead with this project (sounds like a company on a bit of shaky financial footing), the pandemic and maybe some thinking, with all the projects going forward and proposed downtown, in the Flats, Ohio City, UC and the Heights that the apartment tipping point might be near (which I don't know is the case but I am sure the discussion is being had) and some of the more shaky projects maybe are being reconsidered. I cannot emphasize enough, just a feeling.
July 28, 20204 yr 17 minutes ago, mrnyc said: ^ oh geez -- what makes you think that? i thought it was funded and a go for next year, thats why i wondered if anything preliminary was happening as yet?? I'd question any developer that claims to have financing in place a year out from construction. If it was funded, they would be building it now.
July 28, 20204 yr I also have nothing to offer other than getting excited for 35 years for downtown projects announced, then reality hits and less than 20% gets built. For me Real Estate development is always peaks and valleys. We seem to always take forever to get something started during the upcycle and then then downturn hits and the project never gets started. Maybe we also have hit a SATURATION point with all of this HIGH PRICED rentals. It make more sense to buy with the low interest rates. We need KJP to fill us in on any tidbits that he is aware of for this project.
July 28, 20204 yr Author City Club sold their ownership in a St. Louis apartment building and said they would use the sale proceeds (about $48M) for developments in other "hot" multifamily markets including Cleveland: https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/central-west-end-apartments-sold-for-48-million/article_806228ac-a6f2-5698-9a9e-10314fbc9451.html I never got the impression from their communications that they had to sell something in order to build in Cleveland. They simply wanted to sell the St. Louis property. I'm pretty sure they have most if not all of their approvals but I'd have to check, which I'd be happy to do when I get back from vacation. ? "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
July 28, 20204 yr 32 minutes ago, Mendo said: I'd question any developer that claims to have financing in place a year out from construction. If it was funded, they would be building it now. i hear you, but even with the money allegedly in place i think its pretty typical to have at least a year out's worth of hoops to jump through and ducks to line up. i would think they would be scratching around the site a bit though.
July 28, 20204 yr I seem to remember that they were conducting some geo-technical drilling about 6 months to a year ago. The project may still be in the works just on a delayed timeline, like so many other things. There is still a need for more affordable housing in the CBD. Edited July 28, 20204 yr by Frmr CLEder
July 28, 20204 yr I don't think we should worry about their financials just because they sell properties. It's my understanding that its pretty common for apartment developers to build their projects, hold on to them for a few years, and then sell them so they can focus on developing new projects. That's what is sounds like to me with City Club.
July 28, 20204 yr 2 minutes ago, PoshSteve said: I don't think we should worry about their financials just because they sell properties. It's my understanding that its pretty common for apartment developers to build their projects, hold on to them for a few years, and then sell them so they can focus on developing new projects. That's what is sounds like to me with City Club. This.
July 29, 20204 yr 13 hours ago, PoshSteve said: I don't think we should worry about their financials just because they sell properties. It's my understanding that its pretty common for apartment developers to build their projects, hold on to them for a few years, and then sell them so they can focus on developing new projects. That's what is sounds like to me with City Club. Yep, super common. Build it, get it stabilized (usually 92-95% leased) and then you can sell it for top dollar. Take the money you made from the sale, move on to the next one. One of my company's biggest partners is a group that doesn't build their own buildings but rather purchases stabilized assets that are 2-5 years old. It's pretty industry standard for developers to sell after a short period.
August 18, 20204 yr Small update. Scheduled to go before design review this Thursday for final design approval. Then city planning commission on Friday. http://clevelandohio.gov/sites/default/files/planning/drc/agenda/2020/DF-DRAC-agenda-8-20-20.pdf Project: DF2020-002: City Club Apartments Cleveland * The proposed Construction of a new mixed use building. Edited August 18, 20204 yr by Mendo
August 18, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, Mendo said: Small update. Scheduled to go before design review this Thursday for final design approval. Then city planning commission on Friday. http://clevelandohio.gov/sites/default/files/planning/drc/agenda/2020/DF-DRAC-agenda-8-20-20.pdf Project: DF2020-002: City Club Apartments Cleveland * The proposed Construction of a new mixed use building. They got the address mixed up with the Viaduct
August 18, 20204 yr It looks like this is actually for the Viaduct not City Club- I think they put the wrong name.
August 18, 20204 yr 5 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said: It looks like this is actually for the Viaduct not City Club- I think they put the wrong name. Your probably right. Didn't city club get final design approval earlier this year before the covid-19 outbreak?
August 18, 20204 yr My read of that design review agenda is that both City Club and Viaduct are on the agenda. They did get the address wrong for City Club (repeating the Viaduct address from the item above) but note there are two different project numbers and different architects for each of the two items listed. Edited August 18, 20204 yr by Htsguy
August 18, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, simplythis said: Your probably right. Didn't city club get final design approval earlier this year before the covid-19 outbreak? They only got schematic approval back in Feb. Still have not received final design approval.
August 18, 20204 yr After reading it again I think you may be right! Vocon was not involved with Viaduct. If true, very exciting to see City Club moving ahead!!
August 19, 20204 yr Author City Club just refinanced their Cincinnati property. Heard a rumor that helps free up remaining dollars for the Cleveland project and others. EDIT: here's the article...... https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/08/17/2079364/0/en/Asia-Capital-Real-Estate-ACRE-Provides-68-5M-Refinancing-to-Newly-Renovated-City-Club-Apartments-CCA-CBD-Cincinnati.html Edited August 19, 20204 yr by KJP "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
August 19, 20204 yr 16 minutes ago, KJP said: City Club just refinanced their Cincinnati property. Heard a rumor that helps free up remaining dollars for the Cleveland project and others. EDIT: here's the article...... https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2020/08/17/2079364/0/en/Asia-Capital-Real-Estate-ACRE-Provides-68-5M-Refinancing-to-Newly-Renovated-City-Club-Apartments-CCA-CBD-Cincinnati.html I must say they do a great job with their buildings. I toured the cincy project a couple years ago and loved it. They are also planning a big expansion of their Cincinnati property too by renovating the entire adjacent Central Trust Tower which was awarded tax credits last year. So hopefully they kick that off as well as Cleveland soon.
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