The ONLY problem I have with the project is that it is not flush with the front of the 668 building. I guess the architect preferred a cut out on Euclid for drop-offs/pick-ups and maybe some extensive streetscaping and that is a plus but still, I think it would have fit that stretch of Euclid better if there was a more uniform depth building by building. 

18 hours ago, Mendo said:

That's very encouraging. A November ground breaking would be about 2.5 years since Lumen broke ground. Hope we don't have to wait that long before the next one.

When you contrast the 40 years prior to The Beacon with whats happened since 2016, it’s pretty amazing.  Waiting for the next one used to mean decades.  Cleveland has made unbelievable progress but I’m wanting more just like you! 

I'm looking forward to this view changing soon.  This picture also reminded me of the great news this week on the Marble Room re-opening in November.

 

^ ha yeah you said it.

 

nice renders. 

 

looks better than the detroit version by far -- and the cinci version looks like a redevelopment site.

 

https://www.cityclubapartments.com/corporate/media/cleveland-planning-commission-gives-ok-to-new-apartment-buildings-as-vacancies-/

 

 

“City Club Apartments in Cleveland had a stated start date of November, but Holtzman acknowledges it now is likely to launch in January due to delays posed by the pandemic.”

Did the article outline what specifically about the pandemic is causing the slight delay?  Supply chain issues or something like that?  Lately I get the feeling that people just use the pandemic as a convenient  excuse for delays (in all walks of life not just real estate) and people just accept it without question.  

31 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Did the article outline what specifically about the pandemic is causing the slight delay?  Supply chain issues or something like that?  Lately I get the feeling that people just use the pandemic as a convenient  excuse for delays (in all walks of life not just real estate) and people just accept it without question.  

 

It's certainly possible that the pandemic is causing companies to be far less productive by not having all their people in the same place together. Last week I asked someone at Cleveland Construction if there was a groundbreaking date yet for City Club Apartments and they said the subcontracting still was not done yet.

44 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

It's certainly possible that the pandemic is causing companies to be far less productive by not having all their people in the same place together. Last week I asked someone at Cleveland Construction if there was a groundbreaking date yet for City Club Apartments and they said the subcontracting still was not done yet.

Yeah Holtzman in the article states that it was because people were working from home which he says slows things down. Another reason why people working in an office isn’t going anywhere.

5 hours ago, cle_guy90 said:

Yeah Holtzman in the article states that it was because people were working from home which he says slows things down. Another reason why people working in an office isn’t going anywhere.

I get delays to a point as we head into our 9th month of remote work.

 

then a mid November ground breaking shouldn’t have been provided in late August factoring in the “remote work delay” line being used in mid November because there’s no ground breaking.

 

but it’s real estate and real estate folks are full of unrealistic, to be nice, “puffery.”

 

not worried about this project as it’s a  believable “all the subs aren’t lined up” status update. Unless it has nothing to do with remote or subs...hope not.

 

as far as full time office work again, emails are sent cubicle to cubicle anyway and in house meetings etc can be scheduled so the at homes can plan. Besides, if you live and work downtown do you really need to be in house full time?

 

looking forward to this desperately needed infill project 100%.

 

we’ll see...

Also, the lumber supply chains have been under incredible strain the last few months. With imports from Canada essentially stopping for a short while, a lot of things have either been out of stock or cost a whole lot more.

 

As my personal examples, this summer I couldn't find outdoor stair stringers (the things the steps attach to) outside of the menards in Avon. Everyone else was completely out of stock in greater Cleveland for the size I needed. Finish trim has nearly doubled in price with sporadic outages.

 

I could imagine a large new construction project may wait a few more weeks until prices stabilize a bit lower before lining up contracts.

15 hours ago, originaljbw said:

Also, the lumber supply chains have been under incredible strain the last few months. With imports from Canada essentially stopping for a short while, a lot of things have either been out of stock or cost a whole lot more.

 

As my personal examples, this summer I couldn't find outdoor stair stringers (the things the steps attach to) outside of the menards in Avon. Everyone else was completely out of stock in greater Cleveland for the size I needed. Finish trim has nearly doubled in price with sporadic outages.

 

I could imagine a large new construction project may wait a few more weeks until prices stabilize a bit lower before lining up contracts.

I ironically learned how to lay out stair stringers at carpenter school this week. I also learned that supply issues are slowing things down. We even had to reuse some very beat up wood at school, which we typically do, but not for final projects. Much of what we were doing for our projects was being changed on the run to adapt to the size of our smallest material, in order to effectively reuse as much as possible. The teacher said prices such right now.

Edited November 9, 20204 yr by ArtDecoSquirrel

City Club groundbreaking was supposed to be today, December 1st. Did it happen? Weather today is perfect for a groundbreaking ceremony!

10 minutes ago, Pugu said:

City Club groundbreaking was supposed to be today, December 1st. Did it happen? Weather today is perfect for a groundbreaking ceremony!

Where did you get that date from?  

Wouldn’t “groundbreaking” mean besides the formalities, putting up fencing and perhaps a little exploratory excavation going on as the heart of winter is being entered?  

 I guess it would be cool if they have a big hole in the ground by Xmas. 

It was mentioned upthread about 3 weeks ago that the pandemic has caused delays

until january or later due to the Subcontract bids not all in.

34 minutes ago, Htsguy said:

Where did you get that date from?  

 

I don't remember where--just remember it after reading it somewhere and it stuck in my head---probably because I thought the start of December in CLE is a strange groundbreaking date with winter just beginning...

The Crains article posted on this page had a comment from City Club saying the project was delayed to January.

One week ago today, I checked with a source at the general contractor who said they still don't have all of the subcontractors on board yet.

City Club Apartments submitted a new construction permit application yesterday (Dec. 2) for 776 Euclid Ave. But the building size in the application is 9,810 square feet. It's too big for a construction trailer and it's probably not a typo for the size of the apartment tower which will measure 250,000 SF. So I'm wondering what this is for?

 

But it does show visible progress on this project.

On 12/3/2020 at 12:04 PM, KJP said:

City Club Apartments submitted a new construction permit application yesterday (Dec. 2) for 776 Euclid Ave. But the building size in the application is 9,810 square feet. It's too big for a construction trailer and it's probably not a typo for the size of the apartment tower which will measure 250,000 SF. So I'm wondering what this is for?

 

But it does show visible progress on this project.

 

if i had to guess.... the footprint of the apartment portion is probably 9800sqft 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 16, 20204 yr by MrR

On 12/3/2020 at 12:04 PM, KJP said:

City Club Apartments submitted a new construction permit application yesterday (Dec. 2) for 776 Euclid Ave. But the building size in the application is 9,810 square feet. It's too big for a construction trailer and it's probably not a typo for the size of the apartment tower which will measure 250,000 SF. So I'm wondering what this is for?

 

But it does show visible progress on this project.

9810 x 23 floors = 225630sf.  Building footprint?

This is the ground-level site plan. I did a broad-brush measurement of it using the measurements provided elsewhere on the illustration and I came up with 14,200 SF.

That permit may be for the foundation. The part of the building with the dog daycare is only one level (not including the dog run on the roof of it). The floor plates above the 2nd floor to the 23rd don't change and each are about 9,000-10,000 SF. The dog daycare structure doesn't need a deep concrete pad foundation.

Was looking back through this thread and didn't notice anyone posting the interior renderings (unless I somehow missed them). So here you go:

According to Construction Journal, they're planning for a first quarter groundbreaking and have an estimated cost of $100 million.

 

I never really liked the Beacon or the Lumen, but I am in love with this project, inside and out. Rarely does a new building have a level of ornamentation and extravagance comparable to the historic structures downtown, but this definitely gets close. I've never seen anything else quite like it. 

36 minutes ago, tykaps said:

Was looking back through this thread and didn't notice anyone posting the interior renderings (unless I somehow missed them). So here you go:

...

The mountains visible through the windows of a project in downtown Cleveland are a nice touch. 

^ Build them and they will come...

Edited January 4, 20214 yr by roman totale XVII

1 hour ago, tykaps said:

Was looking back through this thread and didn't notice anyone posting the interior renderings (unless I somehow missed them). So here you go:

 

That's indescribably ugly. Thanks for the posting the pics though. Definitely a quirky project.

1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said:

The mountains visible through the windows of a project in downtown Cleveland are a nice touch. 

A taste of Morocco 🇲🇦.  I’m with @tykaps I love it!

^ yeah i hope they go with it.

 

a quirky palm springs mid century interior is a fun change from the usual cool, bland modern look.

 

why not.

This is very on brand for City Club. While I don't hate it, I would never design something in this style. In 5 years this WILL be incredibly dated feeling. This maximalist trend is already starting to fade out after only being "in" for a couple years. I'm concerned that their entire brand looks like this and will need extensive reworking in order to update when the time comes much quicker than the typical lifespan of these kinds of finishes.

 

With that said, if they have that built in to their financial model and are okay with needing to change things fairly regularly, that's fine. Some color and quirk is needed in Cleveland downtown.

It is busy, quirky, will require a lot of maintenance and may grow old quickly but it will definitely differentiate it from the other modern, minimalist furnishings of other recently completed residential developments.

Edited January 4, 20214 yr by Frmr CLEder

Love the north African flavor. It might not be to everyone's taste, but its great to have options and this is definitely something unique for Cleveland. The color (on the outside too) is most welcome.

 

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 13, 2021

Seeds & Sprouts XV - City Club tower groundbreaking & more

 

City Club Apartments groundbreaking due in March

 

Look for activity to get underway in about two months at the surface lot at 720 Euclid Ave. And we're not talking about more commuters returning to the downtown Cleveland parking area.

 

According to a source who was not authorized to speak publicly, groundbreaking on the new City Club Apartments tower is due to occur at the end of the first quarter of 2021. That would put the start date towards mid- to late-March.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2021/01/seeds-sprouts-xv-city-club-tower.html

Woot! Three cheers for Euclid never again looking like this!

 

From Public Square to the interbelt, the only one left is next the the Union Club and the insane lawns at Cleveland State right?

42 minutes ago, w28th said:

From Public Square to the interbelt, the only one left is next the the Union Club and the insane lawns at Cleveland State right?

There's a little gap on the south side by B2B, but that has some patios and a very useful pedestrian path, so not sure it really counts.

52 minutes ago, w28th said:

From Public Square to the interbelt, the only one left is next the the Union Club and the insane lawns at Cleveland State right?

And the insane lawn at the Mather Mansion(!)

The CSU lawns don’t bother me *too* much, but the one on the corner of 18th sends me over the edge. 

Union Club goes first. PLEASE! 🙃🙏 Along with a re-skinning (or should I say DE-skinning) of the Sterling Building. 

 

Cannot wait for City Club to break ground! This is going to have a major major impact. Next time you walk by that lot, imagine a 20+ story building. it is going to be quite the visual!

2 hours ago, roman totale XVII said:

And the insane lawn at the Mather Mansion(!)

The CSU lawns don’t bother me *too* much, but the one on the corner of 18th sends me over the edge. 

The part that bothers me the most is that it's next to the College of Urban Affairs.

16 minutes ago, tykaps said:

The part that bothers me the most is that it's next to the College of Urban Affairs.

 

One of my final papers before graduating from that college was about that lawn. Its beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

18 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

 

One of my final papers before graduating from that college was about that lawn. Its beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

 

I don't know. Its nice to have green space in that part of town, and reminds you that you're on a university campus. I'd first like to see the part of town immediately south of Euclid (i.e. in and around the CSU Wolstein Center) densify first before any change to the CSU lawns, but this risks getting way off topic. 

 

Can't wait to see some North African chic take root in grey and dreary Cleveland. Will be a welcome lift in spirits! Maybe that will inspire a killer Moroccan restaurant in the area one day :)

Edited January 14, 20214 yr by ASP1984

18 hours ago, PoshSteve said:

 

One of my final papers before graduating from that college was about that lawn. Its beyond ridiculous on so many levels.

But what about the moat? That is so cool. /s

3 minutes ago, ASP1984 said:

 

I don't know. Its nice to have green space in that part of town, and reminds you that you're on a university campus. 

I agree and that’s why I don’t mind the rest of it too much. (I was being facetious in my prior comment about the Mather Mansion). That Urban Affairs lawn is right next to PHS though and is too much of a jarring transition. Especially now the Egde and Lumen are there.  

6 hours ago, ASP1984 said:

 

 grey and dreary Cleveland.

 

Why do people say things like this as if Cleveland is the only place in the world that has winter?  Cleveland has winter.  Most places have winter.  Winter can be grey and dreary, but that is the nature of winter.  It's not Cleveland specific.

21 minutes ago, jeremyck01 said:

 

Why do people say things like this as if Cleveland is the only place in the world that has winter?  Cleveland has winter.  Most places have winter.  Winter can be grey and dreary, but that is the nature of winter.  It's not Cleveland specific.

 

Don't get triggered. Boston is much sunnier than Cleveland in the winter and by day count per year Cleveland is a greyer city than Seattle. It was the first thing I noticed upon moving to New England. Just facts. It doesn't mean Cleveland is a bad place, just that it could use more color.

Edited January 15, 20214 yr by ASP1984

I think the colors of this and other buildings downtown are fine. I don't really notice it because I'm such a colorful, cheerful person myself. 🥳 Not everyone needs colors to keep from being dreary.

this is really great news to head into the weekend on -- build, baby, build -- awesome.

I don't mind color but something I thought about the first time I saw the building design was the longevity of the pattern at the top. Is it removable/interchangeable panels or is it semi-permanent that will it be faded out in 6 years and how will that look? Its not a metal where we know it will develop an attractive patina over the years. Just a thought.

The entry from Euclid to the parking in the back will be an ivy covered archway

Are you in one of the units facing the back? Instead of looking at the parking garage, you now have a view of the Cleveland Zoo.