^Return of the Cincy Royals? LOL

 

Not to be pessimistic, but with the Pacers and Blue Jackets as close by as they are I don't see why anyone would want to try to bring a NHL or NBA team to Cincy. Bringing MLS here made perfect sense with how well FC Cincy performed in the USL. But I'm not seeing the Cincy Cyclones or Cincy Warriors bringing in the fanfare or crowds needed to justify a NHL or NBA team here, respectively. I'm guessing Berding wants a new stadium next door so they can use it as an indoor training facility for FCC?

1 hour ago, SWOH said:

Pacers 

While I don't think the NBA or NHL are coming to Cincinnati, Indy also has an NFL team...

and do people in Cincinnati really care about the Pacers?

I always thought Cincinnati was happy with the wealth of NCAA basketball in and around it.

5 hours ago, IAGuy39 said:

“high-level financing models” - did someone with like, a finance degree or something put this type of model together?

 

One of the FC owners founded Quibi. 

2 hours ago, SWOH said:

^Return of the Cincy Royals? LOL

 

Not to be pessimistic, but with the Pacers and Blue Jackets as close by as they are I don't see why anyone would want to try to bring a NHL or NBA team to Cincy. Bringing MLS here made perfect sense with how well FC Cincy performed in the USL. But I'm not seeing the Cincy Cyclones or Cincy Warriors bringing in the fanfare or crowds needed to justify a NHL or NBA team here, respectively. I'm guessing Berding wants a new stadium next door so they can use it as an indoor training facility for FCC?

Lindner and Meg Whitman want to bring a 4th pro team to Cincinnati.Also I'm sure too add to their assets in the West End at over half a billion and counting invested.Hey I thinks it's a pipe dream but  convince net worth of $7-9 billion gets s**t done.Could see a NHL team doing well here 

1 hour ago, Lazarus said:

 

One of the FC owners founded Quibi. 

Between that, Yahoo!, and everything else the trail of things that have failed under Meg Whitman is so long it's almost comical. I feel bad for her in a lot of ways, I don't think the failures are her fault, she just has a knack for picking the wrong opportunities. She is incredibly talented and good at what she does, just hard to see the motivation for an NHL team here, for instance. On the other hand I'd be all about an NBA team here, but feel like Columbus would make more sense since they do not have any pro teams except NHL and OSU generally isn't as strong in basketball?

 

40 minutes ago, SWOH said:

Between that, Yahoo!, and everything else the trail of things that have failed under Meg Whitman is so long it's almost comical. I feel bad for her in a lot of ways, I don't think the failures are her fault, she just has a knack for picking the wrong opportunities. She is incredibly talented and good at what she does, just hard to see the motivation for an NHL team here, for instance. On the other hand I'd be all about an NBA team here, but feel like Columbus would make more sense since they do not have any pro teams except NHL and OSU generally isn't as strong in basketball?

 

Columbus dosent have a few billionaires wanting another pro team

10 hours ago, SWOH said:

Between that, Yahoo!, and everything else the trail of things that have failed under Meg Whitman is so long it's almost comical.

 

 

 

11 hours ago, SWOH said:

Between that, Yahoo!, and everything else the trail of things that have failed under Meg Whitman is so long it's almost comical. I feel bad for her in a lot of ways, I don't think the failures are her fault, she just has a knack for picking the wrong opportunities. She is incredibly talented and good at what she does, just hard to see the motivation for an NHL team here, for instance. On the other hand I'd be all about an NBA team here, but feel like Columbus would make more sense since they do not have any pro teams except NHL and OSU generally isn't as strong in basketball?

 

Columbus has MLS and the Buckeyes are traditionally a good team.

OSU hasn’t won a National title in basketball since 1960


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OSU hasn’t won a National title in basketball since 1960


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What’s your point? UC hasn’t won one either since the 60s. That doesn’t change the fact both are historically good winning college basketball programs.

My point is that OSU’s focus is football. So if Ohio were to get an NBA team, and I had a billion+ dollars to throw around like Meg Whitman, I’d put the team in Columbus not Cincy.

You’re going to be competing with OSU for Columbus area basketball viewers, but it won’t be as stiff of competition as going after OSU for football viewers. Sure, there’s a lot of Cavs fans, but LeBron isn’t here now so the fair weather fans are gone. It could also be an awesome rivalry like Hell is Real is in MLS. And Columbus is growing rapidly now, while Cincinnati is staying steady just like it’s done for centuries.

Just my two cents. Like I said above, Meg Whitman has a knack for picking the wrong horse, and while she has done great with FCC so far by coming into what was already an incredible fan base in USL, I wouldn’t expect lightning to strike twice in Cincy. If I was her personally, I’d put a new NBA team in Louisville as it’s a major basketball town with UofL, which has a fan base that is oversized relative to the power of the university so might as well capitalize on it and bring the pros there. But if not there, Columbus would be my next regional choice for the reasons above.


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53 minutes ago, SWOH said:

My point is that OSU’s focus is football. So if Ohio were to get an NBA team, and I had a billion+ dollars to throw around like Meg Whitman, I’d put the team in Columbus not Cincy.

You’re going to be competing with OSU for Columbus area basketball viewers, but it won’t be as stiff of competition as going after OSU for football viewers. Sure, there’s a lot of Cavs fans, but LeBron isn’t here now so the fair weather fans are gone. It could also be an awesome rivalry like Hell is Real is in MLS. And Columbus is growing rapidly now, while Cincinnati is staying steady just like it’s done for centuries.

Just my two cents. Like I said above, Meg Whitman has a knack for picking the wrong horse, and while she has done great with FCC so far by coming into what was already an incredible fan base in USL, I wouldn’t expect lightning to strike twice in Cincy. If I was her personally, I’d put a new NBA team in Louisville as it’s a major basketball town with UofL, which has a fan base that is oversized relative to the power of the university so might as well capitalize on it and bring the pros there. But if not there, Columbus would be my next regional choice for the reasons above.


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There is a lot that goes into where pro franchises locate. First Ohio is not getting another NBA Team period. Las Vegas and Seattle among others are wayyyyyy ahead in that race it’s not even close. Second Ohio State owns and dominates the Columbus sports market end of story it’s not just Football. Cincinnati is a lot more diversified in its sports scene. Also for its size Cincinnati has a wealth and corporate base that is truly special which makes stories like FC Cincinnati possible.

 

On 3/11/2023 at 12:01 PM, SWOH said:

I'm guessing Berding wants a new stadium next door so they can use it as an indoor training facility for FCC?

??? No. FC Cincinnati would just build an enclosed field (15 millionish ) at the site of its already top notch training facility out in the suburbs, not a 600+ million dollar arena lol

Edited March 12, 20232 yr by 646empire

I can't see Lindner and Whitman with ties to Cincinnati  and near a billion or over that invested in the West End would try and put another franchise anywhere but in Cincinnati.Thier goal is too build around their assets a new arena district like in Columbus

3 minutes ago, ucnum1 said:

I can't see Lindner and Whitman with ties to Cincinnati  and near a billion or over that invested in the West End would try and put another franchise anywhere but in Cincinnati.Thier goal is too build around their assets a new arena district like in Columbus

A good point. For better or worse Cincinnati is VERY Cincinnati. 

In terms of potentially landing franchises as tenants for this theoretical new arena, there’s a few things that need to be considered. 

 

NBA:
As others have pointed out, potential NBA expansion cities in Seattle and Las Vegas already have the momentum and the markets. There’s also a few other American cities that could position themselves before Cincinnati, but I don’t think Louisville is one of them anymore. The “new” arena there is already 13 years old and its primary tenant is the UofL basketball team whose previous arrangements and deals have kept the NBA away. I don’t see the league placing a team that would be second fiddle within a building located in what would be the league’s smallest market. Especially if Cincinnati with a larger population and corporate sponsor base entered the discussion with a brand new, state-of-the-art arena. 

However, even if Cincinnati gets said arena, you then go back to other larger cities and markets being more appealing. At least for expansion. If Carl Lindner waves enough cash around, he might be able to get a team to relocate here, I guess. 

 

The NBA is a growing league with a brand that’s becoming increasingly recognizable globally. Competition for expansion teams or relocations is no doubt going to be tough if the league continues to be a hot commodity. Whereas the…

NHL:

A league not growing anywhere near as fast as the NBA and featuring a sport that’s much more niche. Several teams are currently on shaky financial ground (not destitute or anything, but there’s certainly a big gulf between the haves and have nots). There’s a lot of speculation that even MLS could overtake it in popularity over the next decade or so. In my opinion, the NHL has to be much more strategic with its smaller market teams. I doubt the Blue Jackets would view a Cincinnati expansion team as a bonus (whereas MLS in both cities is a totally different story that’s benefitted both). 

All this to say…
At present, it doesn’t seem likely that either the NBA or NHL (the two major leagues who use indoor arenas) would realistically view Cincinnati as a strong expansion candidate—even with a new arena and rich, local ownership.

 

So, is there really a true push to lure one of these leagues here, or, is it all just a talking point to try and sell people on the idea of a new arena? An amenity which, arguably on paper, would be a nice local asset even if it didn’t have a major sports tenant (depending on how it’s paid for and built, of course).

 

The T-Mobile Center (formerly Sprint Center) in Kansas City is very nice facility built somewhat recently. It was the talk of expansion for awhile with both the NBA and NHL having serious considerations at one point, but neither league ever stepped in. Still, it exists as a modern facility for major concerts, etc. 

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All of this for me brings up two questions….

1. The points above by Gordon are spot on. So if there’s no reason for a new NBA or NHL franchise to come to Cincy, why pretend it’s a legitimate possibility, like Berding is doing?

2. Are there other sports Cincy can host where an arena might make sense, like esports, boxing/wrestling, etc? This is a type of arena that might make sense here but typically is paired with a casino or convention center… both sites mentioned by Berding in the article.


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3 minutes ago, SWOH said:

 why pretend it’s a legitimate possibility, like Berding is doing?

 

Berding lied over and over again in the buildup to Amazon HQ2 the soccer stadium site selection.  He lied over and over again during its construction.  Now he's lying some more. 

 

 

3 hours ago, SWOH said:

while Cincinnati is staying steady just like it’s done for centuries.
 

You're putting your own spin on the truth in this thread in service of your points. Cincinnati grew astronomically in the 19th century...and rapidly in the 20th century... until the 1950s. 

1 hour ago, zsnyder said:

You're putting your own spin on the truth in this thread in service of your points. Cincinnati grew astronomically in the 19th century...and rapidly in the 20th century... until the 1950s. 

 

The Cincinnati metro area has roughly doubled in population since 1950. 

You're putting your own spin on the truth in this thread in service of your points. Cincinnati grew astronomically in the 19th century...and rapidly in the 20th century... until the 1950s. 

Relative to Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit, or other towns that had a major, quick population boom… or one’s going through that now like Austin, Cincinnati has never had anything of the sort. The population growth of the metro has been steady relative to the rest of the nation since at least the dawn of railroads back in the mid 1800s.


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2 hours ago, SWOH said:

All of this for me brings up two questions….

1. The points above by Gordon are spot on. So if there’s no reason for a new NBA or NHL franchise to come to Cincy, why pretend it’s a legitimate possibility, like Berding is doing?

2. Are there other sports Cincy can host where an arena might make sense, like esports, boxing/wrestling, etc? This is a type of arena that might make sense here but typically is paired with a casino or convention center… both sites mentioned by Berding in the article.


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The reasons are a few billionaires want to try and make it happen.There isn't any reason needed beyond that.Berding is just the frontman and doing the bidding of his bosses.FC ownership wants the arena at the CET site and are positioning to get the land from the city for over a year now.

Yeah, they're going to get the police HQ too, plus more free vacated streets.  Lots of free stuff for billionaires.

9 hours ago, SWOH said:

Relative to Cleveland, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit, or other towns that had a major, quick population boom… or one’s going through that now like Austin, Cincinnati has never had anything of the sort. The population growth of the metro has been steady relative to the rest of the nation since at least the dawn of railroads back in the mid 1800s.


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Not exactly true. In the early 19th Century, Cincinnati was maybe the most dramatic boomtown in the country. The population almost tripled between 1810 and 1820. The crazy growth continued through most of the 19th Century. 

I don't think an NBA team or NHL team is coming to Cincinnati, but I do think Cincinnati would be a better NBA market than Columbus. Cincinnati can draw from basketball crazy Kentucky, with two metro areas that are already used to rooting for Cincinnati pro teams. An NBA team in Columbus would be competing directly with the Cavs. It wouldn't work for the same reason that an NHL team in Cincy would be a tough sell.

13 hours ago, Gordon Bombay said:

In terms of potentially landing franchises as tenants for this theoretical new arena, there’s a few things that need to be considered. 

 

NBA:
As others have pointed out, potential NBA expansion cities in Seattle and Las Vegas already have the momentum and the markets. There’s also a few other American cities that could position themselves before Cincinnati, but I don’t think Louisville is one of them anymore. The “new” arena there is already 13 years old and its primary tenant is the UofL basketball team whose previous arrangements and deals have kept the NBA away. I don’t see the league placing a team that would be second fiddle within a building located in what would be the league’s smallest market. Especially if Cincinnati with a larger population and corporate sponsor base entered the discussion with a brand new, state-of-the-art arena. 

However, even if Cincinnati gets said arena, you then go back to other larger cities and markets being more appealing. At least for expansion. If Carl Lindner waves enough cash around, he might be able to get a team to relocate here, I guess. 

 

The NBA is a growing league with a brand that’s becoming increasingly recognizable globally. Competition for expansion teams or relocations is no doubt going to be tough if the league continues to be a hot commodity. Whereas the…

NHL:

A league not growing anywhere near as fast as the NBA and featuring a sport that’s much more niche. Several teams are currently on shaky financial ground (not destitute or anything, but there’s certainly a big gulf between the haves and have nots). There’s a lot of speculation that even MLS could overtake it in popularity over the next decade or so. In my opinion, the NHL has to be much more strategic with its smaller market teams. I doubt the Blue Jackets would view a Cincinnati expansion team as a bonus (whereas MLS in both cities is a totally different story that’s benefitted both). 

All this to say…
At present, it doesn’t seem likely that either the NBA or NHL (the two major leagues who use indoor arenas) would realistically view Cincinnati as a strong expansion candidate—even with a new arena and rich, local ownership.

 

So, is there really a true push to lure one of these leagues here, or, is it all just a talking point to try and sell people on the idea of a new arena? An amenity which, arguably on paper, would be a nice local asset even if it didn’t have a major sports tenant (depending on how it’s paid for and built, of course).

 

The T-Mobile Center (formerly Sprint Center) in Kansas City is very nice facility built somewhat recently. It was the talk of expansion for awhile with both the NBA and NHL having serious considerations at one point, but neither league ever stepped in. Still, it exists as a modern facility for major concerts, etc. 

I think the talk of building an arena with the goal of luring an NBA or NHL team should be put to rest. It would be nice to have one, and it certainly would be possible at some point in the future to lure a team if we had an arena, but that should not be the end goal of the arena project. 

 

The arena should be built to support major league sports but pretty much know it will house the Cyclones and concerts and other events. It should be there to support large convention needs and needs like NCAA tourney that bring a lot of people to town for weekend activities. It should be about showcasing the city for big events not a permanent home to a professional team. if one eventually comes, it is icing on the cake, and it also becomes easier to attract one when you have a new arena and you have a city that puts on events that bring people from out of town and possibly make them want to relocate. 

1 minute ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

It should be about showcasing the city for big events not a permanent home to a professional team. if one eventually comes, it is icing on the cake, and it also becomes easier to attract one when you have a new arena and you have a city that puts on events that bring people from out of town and possibly make them want to relocate

I agree that this is the vision, it's completely unrealistic to even hope for an NBA or NHL team here, it isn't happening. Best case scenario is we are a 33rd or 34th team for the NBA, but they aren't going to add 33+ teams and I highly doubt we're the best option even after Seattle and LV are added.  I don't know enough about the NHL, but I'm sure they feel they have Ohio covered via CBJ.

 

I need to look into some other examples of ad-hoc events venues and see if it comes close to breaking even.  Building one adjacent to the Convention center certainly could kill 2 birds with one stone here.  We get a gigantic convention space when needed, or arena when needed.

On 3/11/2023 at 3:33 PM, SWOH said:

Between that, Yahoo!, and everything else the trail of things that have failed under Meg Whitman is so long it's almost comical. I feel bad for her in a lot of ways, I don't think the failures are her fault, she just has a knack for picking the wrong opportunities. She is incredibly talented and good at what she does, just hard to see the motivation for an NHL team here, for instance. On the other hand I'd be all about an NBA team here, but feel like Columbus would make more sense since they do not have any pro teams except NHL and OSU generally isn't as strong in basketball?

 

I would disagree with that. If Whitman is involved, it would more likely be Cincinnati anyway. She has connections in Cincinnati, she lived in Cincinnati for a few years (which establishes connection), she obviously has investment interest in Cincinnati so that alone would point to her wanting to invest in a team in Cincy.

 

Also, I would argue that an NBA team in columbus would not work given that the NHL is already there and plays an overlapping season with the NBA. If Columbus did not already have an NHL team, an NBA team would likely work, but you have OSU basketball (which is minor in comparison), NHL Hockey and then NBA, all competing for 1) Same corporate dollars at the same time of year, 2) Competing for local and regional TV exposure all at the same time.  It would be one thing if whatever regional sports network carries the Guardians in the Spring/Summer and Cavs in the Winter/Spring. So much of the marketing and attraction of corporate sponsors relies on exposure and being able to have the ability to get exposure in the market is essential. There would be too many conflicts with NHL and NBA in Columbus that could be a challenge for one of the teams in the market (and that does not even take into account Ohio State). 

 

 

4 minutes ago, 10albersa said:

I agree that this is the vision, it's completely unrealistic to even hope for an NBA or NHL team here, it isn't happening. Best case scenario is we are a 33rd or 34th team for the NBA, but they aren't going to add 33+ teams and I highly doubt we're the best option even after Seattle and LV are added.  I don't know enough about the NHL, but I'm sure they feel they have Ohio covered via CBJ.

Cincinnati will not get an NBA/NHL expansion team. There is little incentive for either league to expand to Cincinnati. NBA has a team 90 minutes and 2 more 4 hours away repectively (Det/Cleveland). NHL is pretty much the same, it has a team 90 minutes away from Cincinnati, and 3 more within 4 hours (Nashville and Pitts and Detroit). From each league's perspective Cincinnati is covered. 

 

However, that does not mean that Cincinnati will not be able to get a team through acquisition. If as they say Lindner and Whitman are willing to buy an existing team and move it, that would be an opportunity. In that sense, I could see an NHL team coming over an NBA team because NHL markets tend to be less stable and more ripe for moving. I could see a team like Phoenix who struggles in AZ with hockey to continue, or if more issues with the Canadian dollar return like in the 90s then it may encourage teams like Winnipeg or Ottawa to relocate stateside.   NBA is harder to predict because smaller cities like Memphis or OKC only have one professional team to support so their corporate markets can likely absorb that lift. 

1 hour ago, 10albersa said:

I agree that this is the vision, it's completely unrealistic to even hope for an NBA or NHL team here, it isn't happening. Best case scenario is we are a 33rd or 34th team for the NBA, but they aren't going to add 33+ teams and I highly doubt we're the best option even after Seattle and LV are added.  I don't know enough about the NHL, but I'm sure they feel they have Ohio covered via CBJ.

 

I need to look into some other examples of ad-hoc events venues and see if it comes close to breaking even.  Building one adjacent to the Convention center certainly could kill 2 birds with one stone here.  We get a gigantic convention space when needed, or arena when needed.

I've been in every arena in the country, and there are some very fine buildings that do not have major league tenants in them.   Omaha, Wichita and Sioux Falls come to mind.   Kansas City  of course too, but Sprint Center was built thinking they were definitely going to get an expansion team there.  

I'd be interested to see how big this arena is going to be. The college arenas in town hold around 10K each (give or take). Your standard NBA/NHL arena is usually in the 16-18K range.

 

While I don't think Cincinnati is in line for an NBA or NHL expansion team, I wouldn't count it out either, at least for the NHL. The rumor mill is already starting about adding an expansion team to Atlanta and Houston. A couple of current teams have terrible arena situations as well and may move in the future (AZ, FL, Ottawa) so relocation isn't out of the question either. Again, it's unlikely but I never thought Cincinnati would get an MLS team either.

Also, I don't see how the CET site would be wide enough to house a modern 15K seat arena

1 hour ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

However, that does not mean that Cincinnati will not be able to get a team through acquisition. If as they say Lindner and Whitman are willing to buy an existing team and move it, that would be an opportunity. 

 

I think the only option is buying the Pacers or the Blue Jackets and moving them to Cincinnati.  Of the two, the NBA appears to be on a steady upward trajectory, so you'd prefer The Pacers, all else being even.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Also, I don't see how the CET site would be wide enough to house a modern 15K seat arena

 

It's not.  They'd come after the historic blocks to the west.  They have already shown that they don't care about historic buildings after having torn down a church and OTR-type row buildings on Wade St., which had been renovated into condos just a few months before the stadium was announced.    

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3 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Also, I don't see how the CET site would be wide enough to house a modern 15K seat arena

 

Supposedly they've looked at numerous sites across the urban core and this is the only one that would fit an arena, and could be assembled relatively easily. I say relatively because CET owns their building and does not want to move/be replaced with an arena.

I love FCC but they need to focus on actually getting their planned mixed use development built before talking anything about an arena or more land acquisition. What a joke.

20 minutes ago, 646empire said:

I love FCC but they need to focus on actually getting their planned mixed use development built before talking anything about an arena or more land acquisition. What a joke.

 

I wouldn't bank on a new arena for another 4-5 years at the earliest. FCC has already started work on the mixed use stuff. Just throwing this out there but the Florida Panthers' arena deal is up in 2030. 

 

31 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

 

It's not.  They'd come after the historic blocks to the west.  They have already shown that they don't care about historic buildings after having torn down a church and OTR-type row buildings on Wade St., which had been renovated into condos just a few months before the stadium was announced.    

 

That's dozens of higher end houses that they'd have to buy out and the city isn't going to eminent domain that area for them. There wasn't nearly as much occupied space on the TQL stadium site as there is currently adjacent to the CET site. 

 

32 minutes ago, dnymck said:

 

Supposedly they've looked at numerous sites across the urban core and this is the only one that would fit an arena, and could be assembled relatively easily. I say relatively because CET owns their building and does not want to move/be replaced with an arena.

 

I did some google earth measurements and you might be able to fit a Scotiabank Center (Toronto's arena) in that space but it would be really tight. 

27 minutes ago, 646empire said:

I love FCC but they need to focus on actually getting their planned mixed use development built before talking anything about an arena or more land acquisition. What a joke.

 

A small clarification... Berding is advocating for this in his role as Chair of the CVB. It's not FC Cincinnati's plan. Obviously it would be good for them though. 

12 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

 

A small clarification... Berding is advocating for this in his role as Chair of the CVB. It's not FC Cincinnati's plan. Obviously it would be good for them though. 

It would be wise for CVB to use a different voice on an arena matter. Naturally people are going to link FCC with this proposal and then add the fact the floated arena site is….. next door to TQL Stadium and its proposed entertainment district lol. Gosh do these folks have any PR skills lol.

42 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

That's dozens of higher end houses that they'd have to buy out and the city isn't going to eminent domain that area for them. There wasn't nearly as much occupied space on the TQL stadium site as there is currently adjacent to the CET site. 

 

There was no use of eminent domain for the soccer stadium because its core footprint was on publicly-owned land.  They did, however, succeed in intimidating nearly all area property owners into selling too soon and for too low of a price.  They sent letters to everyone 1-2 days before Christmas, then inserted bad info into the neighborhood chatter.  

 

One guy is still refuses to sell his overgrown corner lot:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1127341,-84.5228313,43m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

55 minutes ago, 646empire said:

It would be wise for CVB to use a different voice on an arena matter. Naturally people are going to link FCC with this proposal and then add the fact the floated arena site is….. next door to TQL Stadium and its proposed entertainment district lol. Gosh do these folks have any PR skills lol.

You're definitely right but if their main goal is to get a new arena, he has the best track record locally to do so. They basically can't not hire him at this point.

55 minutes ago, 646empire said:

It would be wise for CVB to use a different voice on an arena matter. Naturally people are going to link FCC with this proposal and then add the fact the floated arena site is….. next door to TQL Stadium and its proposed entertainment district lol. Gosh do these folks have any PR skills lol.

I dont see how that is necessary. FCC is a natural proponent of bringing people to town. Just like the Casetellini family had power over the Banks development, having Berding as a spokesman is not a horrible idea.  Yes, he can be a lightening rod for detractors fairly or unfairly, but he brings a ton to the table in that he has a lot of experience in sports entertainment, he has a ton of experience in the political process, he knows and is well networked with many of the business and community politicians to make such a project happen. Of all people, he brings a specialty expertise to the table to actually get this project to occur. 

If a new arena were built and you could snap your fingers, what would happen to the current arena site? Being surrounded by the highway, GABP, Taylor Southgate, and the Ohio River... it's somehow simultaneously near amenities but also feels like it's on an island of its own, making it not feel connected very "walkable" since it means the first block or two in any direction is pretty rough. Would there be market demand for new construction there? It's hard to see how an office tower could succeed there when 180 Walnut has struggled to get financed/built. Would a residential tower work there?

Residential condo towers there would be killer.

10 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

If a new arena were built and you could snap your fingers, what would happen to the current arena site? Being surrounded by the highway, GABP, Taylor Southgate, and the Ohio River... it's somehow simultaneously near amenities but also feels like it's on an island of its own, making it not feel connected very "walkable" since it means the first block or two in any direction is pretty rough. Would there be market demand for new construction there? It's hard to see how an office tower could succeed there when 180 Walnut has struggled to get financed/built. Would a residential tower work there?

Office right now is not getting off the ground. Given that there is the public landing and park space along with the recent construction of the Atristry it seems like residential will work best with the development of a mid rise tower or some other types of mixed use property. 

 

Maybe some type of entertainment district would be beneficial too. Also, who knows if they keep the arena around in some type of downsized fashion hosting smaller events like the Gardens used to do. After all it is privately owned, pretty much fully paid for, it could still host shows of some sort even with a new state of the art arena. Also, it pretty much covers its costs just by selling ads on the side of the arena given its exposure to the highway.

i"ll take one from nashville, one from austin, one from brooklyn...

Putting some towers right behind GABP would make the camera angle from behind home base a lot more interesting, and could give some "Wrigley rooftop" vibes if they were at least 15-20 stories high. That being said we can't even get the lots around PBS or the Brady music venue filled out so I'm not holding my breath for anything like that happening. 

28 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

Putting some towers right behind GABP would make the camera angle from behind home base a lot more interesting, and could give some "Wrigley rooftop" vibes if they were at least 15-20 stories high. That being said we can't even get the lots around PBS or the Brady music venue filled out so I'm not holding my breath for anything like that happening. 

Except realistically, the tallest apartment tower built in the city in the last 20 years has been 20 stories so I cant see anything taller than that. 

39 minutes ago, ucgrady said:

That being said we can't even get the lots around PBS or the Brady music venue filled out so I'm not holding my breath for anything like that happening. 

 

The Banks is only 50% developed, almost 25 years after it broke ground, yet we have Lindner pulling public resources + many patrons away from it to his own personal fiefdom.  

 

The Atlanta Braves moved several years ago from their downtown stadium to suburban Truist Park and a development they own and control.  The Chicago Bears are threatening to pull out of DT Chicago to a suburban mega-development of their own creation.  

 

Lindner is doing the same thing with drive-to urbanism in the West End.  Pulling activity away from the huge public investments in The Banks, while ignoring the presence of the unused subway.  

1 hour ago, jack.c.amos said:

i"ll take one from nashville, one from austin, one from brooklyn...

 

Be still my heart.

Didn't the Artistry project have to chop some floors off the top after neighbors (either from Lytle Park area or perhaps Mt Adams, my memory is foggy) complained about how it would impede their views?