24 minutes ago, Cincy513 said:

The Bengals had pretty good attendance during the Marvin years which included 7 playoff appearances.  It fell off a cliff when the team got bad.  Reds topped 2 million fans back when they were last competitive.  The fans come out when the teams are competitive and don't go when the teams are bad, which is how most cities operate. 

 

Exactly.  Which is why it's strange to see the comment "I think a Cincinnati NHL team would draw much better than Columbus does" when the Blue Jackets are historically bad.  It all depends on how the team is doing, really.

6 minutes ago, DEPACincy said:

There's about 9 million people within a 100 miles of downtown Cincinnati. That's more than Dallas.

 

I wouldn't use population radius metrics for sports.  It's more income-based than population-based.  Hartford could use the same tactic of wanting the Whalers to return saying there are over 20 million people within 100 miles but does Hartford have the income-base to support it?  I dunno but likely not as it's an already-saturated market.  I'm willing to bet DFW has a higher income-based CSA than the peripheral metros of Dayton, Lexington, and Louisville.

This seems to be timely. Cyclones' GM talks about NHL chances and need for a new arena.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/02/07/cincinnati-cyclones-gm-discusses-nhl-franchise.html

Edited February 7, 20241 yr by Cincy13

19 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

I wouldn't use population radius metrics for sports.  It's more income-based than population-based.  Hartford could use the same tactic of wanting the Whalers to return saying there are over 20 million people within 100 miles but does Hartford have the income-base to support it?  I dunno but likely not as it's an already-saturated market.  I'm willing to bet DFW has a higher income-based CSA than the peripheral metros of Dayton, Lexington, and Louisville.

 

I think you're correct that wealth matters, but I think the overall population matters too. 

 

Plus, I don't think Hartford is a good example. It's one of the smaller metros in the immediate vicinity and obviously dwarfed by NYC and Boston. Cincy is the biggest metro in the vicinity. Louisville, Lexington, and Dayton residents are used to traveling to Cincy for entertainment. Very few NYers are traveling to Hartford in the same manner. 

3 hours ago, Cincy13 said:

This seems to be timely. Cyclones' GM talks about NHL chances and need for a new arena.

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2024/02/07/cincinnati-cyclones-gm-discusses-nhl-franchise.html

NHL in Cincy is such a bad idea. Columbus already has the Blue Jackets, and I could be wrong but find it hard to believe there's a case for Hell is Real: Hockey edition. There's little to no youth hockey culture around here, few ice rinks, little interest... let Columbus have a team in peace, and support them to keep it strong and in Ohio. No reason to bring a fourth pro team into town if we straight up cannot support it. We are fortunate we have the teams we do and the support base for those teams that they enjoy. Adding NHL would just divide that pool more, it overlaps a lot with the end of NFL season and the start of MLB season. 

 

And since a pro hockey team, nor a pro NBA team is going to show up here, why does Cincy need a large arena that's not directly tied to the convention center again? It's a completely frivolous exercise. At the expense, likely, of Cincinnati or Hamilton County taxpayers. At least if an arena was combined with the convention center, or even the casino, it would make some sense as a supplemental draw to the supporting venue for larger conventions, pro wrestling fights and Esports at the casino, etc. 

12 minutes ago, SWOH said:

NHL in Cincy is such a bad idea. Columbus already has the Blue Jackets, and I could be wrong but find it hard to believe there's a case for Hell is Real: Hockey edition. There's little to no youth hockey culture around here, few ice rinks, little interest... let Columbus have a team in peace, and support them to keep it strong and in Ohio. No reason to bring a fourth pro team into town if we straight up cannot support it. We are fortunate we have the teams we do and the support base for those teams that they enjoy. Adding NHL would just divide that pool more, it overlaps a lot with the end of NFL season and the start of MLB season. 

 

And since a pro hockey team, nor a pro NBA team is going to show up here, why does Cincy need a large arena that's not directly tied to the convention center again? It's a completely frivolous exercise. At the expense, likely, of Cincinnati or Hamilton County taxpayers. At least if an arena was combined with the convention center, or even the casino, it would make some sense as a supplemental draw to the supporting venue for larger conventions, pro wrestling fights and Esports at the casino, etc. 

Because a few billionaires worth about $15 billion have a itch to own a sports franchise.They don't need public money to make this happen.

5 hours ago, Cincy513 said:

The Bengals had pretty good attendance during the Marvin years which included 7 playoff appearances.  It fell off a cliff when the team got bad.  Reds topped 2 million fans back when they were last competitive.  The fans come out when the teams are competitive and don't go when the teams are bad, which is how most cities operate. 

Marvin was a terrible coach lol

7 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

I think you're correct that wealth matters, but I think the overall population matters too. 

 

Plus, I don't think Hartford is a good example. It's one of the smaller metros in the immediate vicinity and obviously dwarfed by NYC and Boston. Cincy is the biggest metro in the vicinity. Louisville, Lexington, and Dayton residents are used to traveling to Cincy for entertainment. Very few NYers are traveling to Hartford in the same manner. 

 

Though with that same logic, Columbus is the largest CSA in the I-70/71/75 triangle in which Dayton, all of non-Eastern Panhandle West Virginia, Eastern Ohio, and strangely Ashland, KY all come for entertainment so they (following the Hartford line) should support the Blue Jackets.  But we all know that doesn't work that way since Ohio in general is a provincially-divided state.  Dayton is only an hour from a NHL team and really doesn't care about hockey; the support would not lend itself to Cincinnati either as it's an entirely different market.  I don't see the Kentucky cities caring about Cincinnati NHL either as it's not really their...thing.  Now a NBA team would be a bigger draw but I still don't see that happening anywhere in the Midwest anytime soon.

 

DFW is wealthier market than Cincinnati and adding in DAY/LEX/LOU to the mix likely doesn't help Cincinnati.  Running the numbers, I'm not seeing 9 million people from downtown Cincinnati.  It's looking more like 5 million and that's including the southern outerbelts of Columbus and Indianapolis, two larger CSAs.  Cleveland has a slightly better case of getting a NHL team than Cincinnati (much larger CSA and DMA) but I highly doubt they'd get it either. It's Salt Lake's to lose, IMO.

 

And lastly, I don't think people realize how large the Hartford area is. Hartford-New Haven's CSA is 2,675,229 as of 2022 and that doesn't even include Springfield, MA (which is literally next door, shares the same airport, etc) of around 700,000 more.  That is no slouch and is their own market/DMA, separate from NYC or Boston, similar to how Baltimore is wedged between Philadelphia and Washington DC.  Hartford-Springfield-New Haven is around the exact size of Cincinnati-Dayton-Springfield IF they were a CSA.  Put some respect on Hartford's name! 😄

Yeah I didn’t want to bring Cleveland into this but we have great and established youth programs not to mention the monsters have the best average attendance record in the league plus a closer draw for Canadians 

11 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

 

Though with that same logic, Columbus is the largest CSA in the I-70/71/75 triangle in which Dayton, all of non-Eastern Panhandle West Virginia, Eastern Ohio, and strangely Ashland, KY all come for entertainment so they (following the Hartford line) should support the Blue Jackets.  But we all know that doesn't work that way since Ohio in general is a provincially-divided state.  Dayton is only an hour from a NHL team and really doesn't care about hockey; the support would not lend itself to Cincinnati either as it's an entirely different market.  I don't see the Kentucky cities caring about Cincinnati NHL either as it's not really their...thing.  Now a NBA team would be a bigger draw but I still don't see that happening anywhere in the Midwest anytime soon.

 

DFW is wealthier market than Cincinnati and adding in DAY/LEX/LOU to the mix likely doesn't help Cincinnati.  Running the numbers, I'm not seeing 9 million people from downtown Cincinnati.  It's looking more like 5 million and that's including the southern outerbelts of Columbus and Indianapolis, two larger CSAs.  Cleveland has a slightly better case of getting a NHL team than Cincinnati (much larger CSA and DMA) but I highly doubt they'd get it either. It's Salt Lake's to lose, IMO.

 

And lastly, I don't think people realize how large the Hartford area is. Hartford-New Haven's CSA is 2,675,229 as of 2022 and that doesn't even include Springfield, MA (which is literally next door, shares the same airport, etc) of around 700,000 more.  That is no slouch and is their own market/DMA, separate from NYC or Boston, similar to how Baltimore is wedged between Philadelphia and Washington DC.  Hartford-Springfield-New Haven is around the exact size of Cincinnati-Dayton-Springfield IF they were a CSA.  Put some respect on Hartford's name! 😄

 

We'll have to agree to disagree on whether it would work in Cincy because we both agree it probably isn't happening.

 

But I will say that Dayton, Eastern KY, and a lot of WV have much stronger economic and cultural ties to Cincy than they do to Columbus. I grew up near Ashland and still have family there. People regularly travel to Cincy to go to Reds, Bengals, Kings Island, the Cincinnati Zoo. Growing up I didn't know anybody who had been to the Columbus Zoo. I think those areas would embrace another Cincy team more than they embrace the Blue Jackets. But those aren't the areas that I think sustain a team anyway. It's the corporate money and fans in the Dayton/Cincy/Louisville/Lexington region. 

Probably my last post on this as I don't want to continue this to be off-topic but I'll just say Dayton has always been, well, itself and uses Columbus and Cincinnati when it needs to for various functions (Ohio State, Reds games, Kings Island, COSI, Columbus or Cincinnati Zoo, etc) and WV is solidly Columbus as of 2023.  So much so they have billboards advertising CMH in Charleston near their own airport and migration patterns moving to Franklin County indicate it's WV's Charlotte, basically.  Dayton would not support any NHL team, even if it had one itself.  Trust me, I'm from there and no one cares about hockey. R.I.P. Hara Arena, though.

 

But yes, we'll agree to disagree.

I have seen the sentiment that having the Blue Jackets would harm the chances of Cincinnati getting an NHL team. I don't buy it because this is the same thing we heard when FC Cincinnati started and a lot of people were saying that the proximity of the Crew would keep FCC from getting an MLS slot. 

 

Cincinnati and Columbus are pretty separated especially in terms of sports fandom. The NHL is a pretty niche sport, much like MLS, and there isn't a ton of crossover between the two cities. Those who are Blue Jackets fans in Cincinnati will probably follow a Cincinnati team instead. However, I can't imagine there are a ton of people from Cincy going to CBJ games regularly. 

 

As for "Cincinnati isn't a hockey town". Nowhere south of Chicago is a hockey town yet the NHL has been very successful in Nashville, Tampa, Dallas, and Vegas. I could see an NHL being pretty successful here because Cincinnati is a good sports market overall. I'm still dubious if the market can support it but I'd like to be proven wrong. I'd certainly buy a mini-pack for a local NHL team.

A thought occurred to me and it's pretty obvious now that I think about it.

If you've been following the White Sox stadium situation, they're wanting to build a new ballpark near LaSalle station in downtown Chicago on some vacant land. A person online asked why they wouldn't just build a soccer stadium there and a reporter answered that the Sox owners wanted more dates than soccer could provide to help support the mixed-use development around the new ballpark. 

 

While I love TQL and it's objectively a success, I can see why the FCC owners would want a new arena and potentially an NHL team next door. You could have another attraction bringing customers to their new development for 40+ extra dates a year, especially on week nights when FCC isn't playing. NHL games on Tuesdays and Thursdays aren't unheard of while FCC mainly plays on Saturdays with some Wednesdays mixed in. Combined, that would be 58 regular season dates for the two teams not counting Leagues Cup, playoffs, preseason, and US Open Cup. Also not counting any other events that TQL and the arena would host. 

10 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

A thought occurred to me and it's pretty obvious now that I think about it.

If you've been following the White Sox stadium situation, they're wanting to build a new ballpark near LaSalle station in downtown Chicago on some vacant land. A person online asked why they wouldn't just build a soccer stadium there and a reporter answered that the Sox owners wanted more dates than soccer could provide to help support the mixed-use development around the new ballpark. 

 

While I love TQL and it's objectively a success, I can see why the FCC owners would want a new arena and potentially an NHL team next door. You could have another attraction bringing customers to their new development for 40+ extra dates a year, especially on week nights when FCC isn't playing. NHL games on Tuesdays and Thursdays aren't unheard of while FCC mainly plays on Saturdays with some Wednesdays mixed in. Combined, that would be 58 regular season dates for the two teams not counting Leagues Cup, playoffs, preseason, and US Open Cup. Also not counting any other events that TQL and the arena would host. 

I'm curious if this can be addressed more easily by wrapping the building in retail, which can also be used as entry points during events, and by making the immediate area truly multi-use. This isn't easy, of course, but I worry that putting the arena right next to TQL would just make the area completely empty when neither have an event. Basically, I don't trust them to make it work right in either case, but at one option can evolve over time, while the 2 next immediately next to each other is more locked in.

You can start to see the long game vision FC Cincinnati ownership has for the immediate blocks surrounding TQL Stadium taking shape.Thier own built stadium village with a lot of commerical space bookended by TQL and a new arena too keep the people coming in.Its a decent plan I guess too protect their investments.Meg Whitman was really brought into the FC ownership group because of her ability and connections to make this possible.

I wonder how the people at the Banks feel about all of this. While Heritage Bank isn't very good, it's still pulling events and foot traffic to their bars/restaurants.

4 hours ago, ucnum1 said:

Thier own built stadium village with a lot of commerical space bookended by TQL and a new arena too keep the people coming in.

I guess my point is that they don't need an arena to keep pulling people in if they build out the stadium village properly. An arena doesn't do that as effectively as it only adds dozens of days to pull people in. It seems to me like it's better to pull more people on a random lunch in the spring through good place-making, than adding more evenings when there's another big event in the immediate area.

10 minutes ago, Dev said:

I guess my point is that they don't need an arena to keep pulling people in if they build out the stadium village properly

Agreed, if they just built the proposed site plan with a large hotel, residential tower and an entertainment venue that could host events and concerts that alone would keep it pretty well populated throughout the year. It's also across the street from OTR which if leveraged better and marketed as a the main headquarters hotel for OTR it will be the tourist spot and have year round guests. OTR is great but this site should be leveraging what OTR can't do by building tall modern buildings that wouldn't be allowed in the historic district, and by bringing in popular national chains that have been kept out of OTR. If done property this development should be additive to the OTR businesses and not cannibalistic. 

I’m going to go counter to the consensus and guess that Cincinnati gets an NBA team.

 

i guess that sports gambling has changed the equation and more teams=more games to play = more revenue for the league from gambling and media rights. I guess the NBA could expand by six teams and Cincinnati could be third in line behind Seattle and Las Vegas.

Edited November 15, 2024Nov 15 by thebillshark

31 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

I’m going to go counter to the consensus and guess that Cincinnati gets an NBA team.

 

i guess that sports gambling has changed the equation and more teams=more games to play = more revenue for the league from gambling and media rights. I guess the NBA could expand by six teams and Cincinnati could be third in line behind Seattle and Las Vegas.

Not happening. 

I love Cincy but we already have a  pretty sports saturated market. If I was the NBA I would revive the ABA-era Kentucky Colonels before Cincinnati or any other former NBA/ABA town outside Seattle and maybe Kansas City. Kentucky has over 4 million people, most of whom are already basketball fans first as opposed to Ohio being more of a football state, and the built in fanbases of UK and UofL could support the team especially with how many alum are in the league right now. All those NBA connections, plus local leadership of the ownership group with Dan Issel that our city simply doesn't have. The city isn't huge, 48th largest TV market (still larger than New Orleans or Memphis though), but calling them Kentucky Colonels could get your numbers bumped up by adding Lexington (64th market) and the rest of the state as well. 

Edited November 15, 2024Nov 15 by ucgrady

20 hours ago, ucgrady said:

...and the built in fanbases of UK and UofL could support the team especially with how many alum are in the league right now...

That dollar is already spent. They would compete with each other. If the NBA were going to happen in the Commonwealth, it would have already been done at the YUM.

5 hours ago, Rabbit Hash said:

That dollar is already spent. They would compete with each other. If the NBA were going to happen in the Commonwealth, it would have already been done at the YUM.

Totally agree with you, if the NBA was sold on Louisville it would have already happened when they built the Yum Center almost 15 years ago...

The Cincinnati, OH designated market area (DMA) is a U.S. television market serving the people in the state of Ohio. It is the 36th biggest television media market by size in the United States, with a total population of 989,940 TV households as of the 2022-2023 television season, up +1% from that of the 2021-2022 season.

NBA is going to go to Seattle first and I wouldn't be surprised to see a team in the Eastern Conference added to balance things out but there aren't a lot of cities to choose from. The NBA is never going to Lousiville. UofL's agreement with the YUM Center is going to keep that from happening. I doubt Cincinnati gets an NBA team but if the NBA needs an eastern team, there aren't many options other than Columbus, Pittsburgh and Nashville besides us.

 

17 hours ago, jvarney1 said:

The Cincinnati, OH designated market area (DMA) is a U.S. television market serving the people in the state of Ohio. It is the 36th biggest television media market by size in the United States, with a total population of 989,940 TV households as of the 2022-2023 television season, up +1% from that of the 2021-2022 season.

 

While this is true of course, I don't think it tells the whole story. Cincinnati's DMA is incredibly small and is surrounded by other DMA's like Dayton, Columbus, Lexington and Lousiville that have Cincinnati as the main sports hub. We saw this stat bandied about when MLS expansion was coming up and there were a lot of people who thought that the market was too small for MLS. However, most sports fans in Dayton, Lexington, Louisville and a good chunk of the Columbus area follow at least one Cincinnati sports team. I could see a Cincinnati NHL or NBA team being a big hit in Lexington, Dayton, and Lousiville.

'The missing piece': Potential sites, cost for a new Cincinnati arena unveiled

By: Chris Wetterich, Cincinnati Business Courier

 

 

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• A new arena would cost between $675 million and $800 million.
• Public funding may cover 70% of the costs.
• Sites near the Duke Energy Convention Center are considered the most desirable.

A new arena to replace the 50-year-old Heritage Bank Center will cost $675 million to $800 million and could be built at several sites in the urban core, with sites west of Duke Energy Convention Center and Town Center Garage south of TQL Stadium viewed as the most desirable, according to a new study.

 

But constructing a new arena could require new taxes, a major obstacle in a region where a sizable portion of the public still feels burned by the 1996 Hamilton County stadium sales tax.

 

The Cincinnati Regional Chamber spearheaded a comprehensive study put together by MSA Sport, Populous, the Machete Group and Turner Construction – and released for the first time publicly Monday, Nov. 18.

 

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What happens if a land owner decides to not renew a lease but their "tenant" owns a building built on that land and the air rights above it? How can you even own air rights above land you're renting?

 

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But WCET’s headquarters is at the site, and it owns its building, the air rights above it and has a long-term lease on the underlying city-owned land.

 

 

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The study considered sites around the region for an arena with about 18,000 seats, including the former IRS site in Northern Kentucky and unnamed sites in Sharonville, Blue Ash, Uptown and Warren County.

 

Uptown would've certainly been a choice.

Unnamed sites in Sharonville, Blue Ash, and Warren County would be great for a new Bengals stadium and build an arena on the Banks.

UC really missed the boat by renovating 5/3 and not building an arena comparable to John Paul Jones arena at UVA.

34 minutes ago, taestell said:

What happens if a land owner decides to not renew a lease but their "tenant" owns a building built on that land and the air rights above it? How can you even own air rights above land you're renting?

They must have separated the air rights into an easement, which was a terrible deal. I would assume the city could evict them from the land, but wouldn't be able to use it themselves, similar to the bad deal that exists for the SORTA owned rail rights of way.

11 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

Unnamed sites in Sharonville, Blue Ash, and Warren County would be great for a new Bengals stadium and build an arena on the Banks.

UC really missed the boat by renovating 5/3 and not building an arena comparable to John Paul Jones arena at UVA.

 

UC doesn't need to play in an arena with 6,000 more seats, especially considering student attendance would likely drop. Unless they were highly ranked, the atmosphere would be pathetic. They also keep exclusive access to the arena for University activities outside of men's basketball. 

23 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

UC really missed the boat by renovating 5/3 and not building an arena comparable to John Paul Jones arena at UVA.

 

 No they didn't lol

Very interesting. I am much more in favor of a new arena than doming Paul Brown Stadium personally.

 

I also like the West End Site to keep building up that area. I know a lot of money involved but if the Berding group gets involved money wise and has a path, feel like them and Nederland maybe could partner on the private side to reduce a lot of the public costs. Just seems a better deal for taxpayers overall.

33 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

an arena comparable to John Paul Jones arena at UVA

 

Don't know enough about UVA to understand this comment. What makes UVA's arena better/different? They're roughly similar in terms of seating capacity (UVA's seats ~1500 more). 

1 hour ago, taestell said:

What happens if a land owner decides to not renew a lease but their "tenant" owns a building built on that land and the air rights above it? How can you even own air rights above land you're renting?

 

Obviously, the Town Center Garage site only works if a deal is made that gets a new home for WCET. That's not trivial, but it's also not insurmountable. 

 

Personally, I think the site west of the convention center makes the most sense. And I think the fact that the land won't be available for several more years is actually a plus. Gives more time for planning, design, and development of the financing. The current arena is still hosting ~90 events per year, and I think we can keep that going for several more years until the land is available next to the convention center.

WCET used to produce more original programming from their Cincinnati studios but I don't think they do much of that anymore besides the annual Action Auction. They merged with ThinkTV in Dayton so I think it would be possible to handle any production and broadcasting needs from those studios. So I don't think getting WCET to move is that big of a challenge, the appropriate parties just need to pay them what their real estate is worth.

1 hour ago, jwulsin said:

 

Don't know enough about UVA to understand this comment. What makes UVA's arena better/different? They're roughly similar in terms of seating capacity (UVA's seats ~1500 more). 

 

It's a vastly superior venue that doesn't get passed up for major concerts, etc. Even the renovated 5/3 doesn't lend itself to being good for anything other than basketball or volleyball (which could be played in the fieldhouse tbh). UC could 100% support a 15,000-seat arena and would be able to pocket a lot of the $$ from all the other events that would go on. Look, I like UC, and I'm currently a grad student there, but they've made some huge mistakes with athletic venues over the years, and renovating 5/3 instead of building a new venue near the innovation hub is one of them. 

 

If you look at UVA, OSU, and Pitt, all three have been able to use their nice new arenas to attract concerts, WWE, etc. 

9 minutes ago, JaceTheAce41 said:

 

It's a vastly superior venue that doesn't get passed up for major concerts, etc. Even the renovated 5/3 doesn't lend itself to being good for anything other than basketball or volleyball (which could be played in the fieldhouse tbh). UC could 100% support a 15,000-seat arena and would be able to pocket a lot of the $$ from all the other events that would go on. Look, I like UC, and I'm currently a grad student there, but they've made some huge mistakes with athletic venues over the years, and renovating 5/3 instead of building a new venue near the innovation hub is one of them. 

 

If you look at UVA, OSU, and Pitt, all three have been able to use their nice new arenas to attract concerts, WWE, etc. 

I personally love that UC has both football and basketball facilities on campus. Very rare to see both that close together, just think it’s a cool unique thing to have 

1 hour ago, tonyt3524 said:

 

 No they didn't lol

Looks Like John Paul Jones Arena has close to the same non-sports programming as Heritage Bank Arena 

 

https://www.johnpauljonesarena.com/events/concerts

https://heritagebankcenter.com/events?mode=list

 

 

 

I have to assume Springdale came in 14th here- 

5 minutes ago, thomasbw said:

Looks Like John Paul Jones Arena has close to the same non-sports programming as Heritage Bank Arena 

 

https://www.johnpauljonesarena.com/events/concerts

https://heritagebankcenter.com/events?mode=list

 

 

 

 

And it's the only arena in town.

If you want to see a comparable arena to what we would have, your best bet is to look at Kansas City. They built a new arena in 2007 in the attempt to lure an NBA or NHL team and replace their 1970s arena. Unsurprisingly, they never got an NBA or NHL team. 

 

I'm sure it gets a lot of use for various events, and is a nice arena, but it's not like the arena brought in things they could never have dreamed of in their old arena.

 

I do think we need a new arena, but I don't really want the public to fund $600 Million to build it.

I really don't want tax money to go to an arena when we already are paying for two stadiums and the city desperately needs other improvements. 

The Casino would be a great site but since FCC is heading the arena push, I don't see that happening.

1 hour ago, thomasbw said:

I have to assume Springdale came in 14th here- 

Oakley didn't want anything to do with it.

1 hour ago, thomasbw said:

I have to assume Springdale came in 14th here- 

 

 

Do you have a link to the report?

1 minute ago, Miami-Erie said:

 

 

Do you have a link to the report?

It's on the Chamber's website

 

https://cincinnatichamber.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/2024_NewCincinnatiArenaFeasibilityStudy.pdf

3 hours ago, jwulsin said:

Personally, I think the site west of the convention center makes the most sense.

 

I wonder how much longer it would take to build west of the convention center than in the West End.

40 minutes ago, Miami-Erie said:

 

I wonder how much longer it would take to build west of the convention center than in the West End.

It sounds like they don't know either:
 

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However, the timeline that the land will become available is likely this site’s biggest obstacle. With the construction of the Brent Spence Bridge, ODOT is currently not able to identify when this land would be available. ODOT has consistently worked with local partners to find solutions where possible throughout the bridge project, and a logical next step would be a detailed discussion to more clearly define the arena’s timeline in conjunction with the corridor project.

 

6 hours ago, ryanlammi said:

• A new arena would cost between $675 million and $800 million.
• Public funding may cover 70% of the costs.
• Sites near the Duke Energy Convention Center are considered the most desirable.

A new arena to replace the 50-year-old Heritage Bank Center will cost $675 million to $800 million and could be built at several sites in the urban core, with sites west of Duke Energy Convention Center and Town Center Garage south of TQL Stadium viewed as the most desirable, according to a new study.

every site has pluses and minuses. I thought WCET was already building a new building. if not, they could renovate an old building downtown, Spring Grove Ave., or anywhere around the museum center. It seems to me television won't be around very long. we are putting 200 million into a facelift for the convention center. another 200 million gets a new arena. shopping malls seem so yesterday, and the new bridge and its arteries will take 10 years. there are parking garages nearby and more could be built at the west end of CBD.

1 hour ago, RJohnson said:

every site has pluses and minuses. I thought WCET was already building a new building. if not, they could renovate an old building downtown, Spring Grove Ave., or anywhere around the museum center. It seems to me television won't be around very long. we are putting 200 million into a facelift for the convention center. another 200 million gets a new arena. shopping malls seem so yesterday, and the new bridge and its arteries will take 10 years. there are parking garages nearby and more could be built at the west end of CBD.

 

WVXU/Cincinnati Public Radio is building a new HQ. WCET had no plans to move at the moment, but I'm sure they would if someone pays for them to move.