Nothing wrong with not tolerating intolerance.

 

 

I tolerate intolerance. I have the moral highground  :angel:

We look like sore losers when all we can do is demonize those we disagree with.  Let's not stoop down to the level of mere caractures.  Stop showing your immaturity or stop pretending this is a serious forum.

I probably agree and disagree with them on many different things. My views aren't cut-and-dry. Get a sense of humor.

This really is a shame. The political tea party patriot morons are really ruining things for those of us that legitimately enjoy getting together for parties where we sample and enjoy fine varieties of tea.

Stop showing your immaturity or stop pretending this is a serious forum.

 

I'll remember that the next time you make the following comments:

 

The Global Warming Thread (now in the Trash Bin)

"Kill yourself and save the planet.  Genius!

 

How do I remove myself from this thread?"

 

:P

We look like sore losers when all we can do is demonize those we disagree with.  Let's not stoop down to the level of mere caractures.  Stop showing your immaturity or stop pretending this is a serious forum.

 

I agree, hopefully everyone remembers to not demonize the GOP (like they did the previous eight) three years from now. :-D

Stop showing your immaturity or stop pretending this is a serious forum.

 

I'll remember that the next time you make the following comments:

 

The Global Warming Thread (now in the Trash Bin)

"Kill yourself and save the planet.  Genius!

 

How do I remove myself from this thread?"

 

:P

^Sherman, if you had quoted my entire post you would see that what I said was a sarcastic response to someone who said "Vegetarians have no trouble reproducing" (ie Vegetarians are hypocrites because they contribute to global warming by having kids).  I found that statement ridiculous and responded in kind.  My question remains: how does one remove oneself from a thread?

 

And David, I have a very good sense of humor but slandering those engaging in peaceful protest is not funny.  Your intolerance veiled as humor is repulsive, that's all.  You and I might agree on a lot of things, just not that joke.

In answer to the thread parent here are some pix of the winter tea party in Dayton, which was a big event for political events here:

 

Dayton Tea Party,  plus some graphs showing how weak Obama polled here and how dependent this area is on Federal spending.

 

 

plus some graphs showing how weak Obama polled here and how dependent this area is on Federal spending.

^I'm glad someone finally pointed that out.  I guess big gummint is ok if it's purpose is pre-emptive warfare, so long as it's not reactive 'welfare.'

 

Maybe the tea parties are doubly ironic.  By splitting the Republican Party base they may empower the weakened Democrats.  I can't help but recall the Perotistas and the outcome of that election.

^

Perot.  These third party or indepenent candidates or movements failed totally during the 20th century.

 

The Tea Party movement would only split the GOP if they run independent candidates. I think they have a better chance by following the religous right and operate within the GOP as a faction or movement or as an outside pressure group.  I don't know if Tea Party is organized for politics or if its limited to putting on these ralleys. 

 

Tea Party isn't that far from the GOP core values of small/limited goverment and low taxes.  They remind me of a more populist version of the movement conservatives who provided the intellectual and rhetorical foundation for the Reagan revolution. So I can see them maybe having a better shot than they think.

 

For Ohio I'm not sure who Tea Party could get behind.  I was thinking John Kasich as he was close to them on fiscal convervatism while in Congress.

 

 

Limited government, fiscal responsibility and true free market capitalism

 

I lean pretty far left on social issues but if these goals would happen to be the true agenda of the right they would get might vote always.  Destruction of all nuclear weapons and ending all government handouts would be nice as well. 

I think in due time libertarianism will become much more popular in America.   

 

I think in due time libertarianism will become much more popular in America.

 

 

So long as they do not form a voting block with the social conservatives like the Reagan republicans did.

I think in due time libertarianism will become much more popular in America.

 

 

So long as they do not form a voting block with the social conservatives like the Reagan republicans did.

 

Do you mean, so long as they don't allow social conservatives to control domestic policy?  Libertarian politics is fine with me so long as they are the ones driving the cart instead of a voting bloc used to get elected and then ignored.

The movement had the right idea imo.  It took the best aspects of right wing american politics and removed the social police notion from the conversation.  It gave pro glbt, pro choice, etc fiscal conservatives a platform to get fully behind.  But it seems that these tea parties have perverted that purpose and simply been an opportunity to rally the outspoken segments of the right wing 

^I agree with that completely.  As a pro choice, pro glbt, fiscal conservative I was pretty excited with the movement initially but I feel like it's been infiltrated by the far right wing.  The initial foundation of the movement is much more moderate than people give them credit for.  It's a shame that the outspoke right wing members of the movement have given them a far right wing image in the media and in public opinion.

^

I saw Tea Party as a sponteneous "we're not going to take it anymore" reaction by grassroots conservatives towards things lke the stimulus and the Federal intervention in the financial sector.

 

@@@@@

 

A few words on the libertarian trend and the LGBT agenda:

 

 

Tea Party style libertarianism and social conservatism are allies on the LGBT issue.  A principled libertarian position would be to oppose things like ENDA at the Federal level and local or state anti-discrimination laws since they are a statist interference in civil society, a diminishment of liberty.

 

A principled libertarian position would oppose any such anti-discrimination law on the same grounds (this is why Goldwater opposed Title II of the 1964 Civil Rights Act), though the practical politics would be that libertarian conservatives would probably not try to repeal things like the ADA protections against discrimination or Title II.

 

But since the horse isn’t out of the barn yet on this re the LGBT community one can take a libertarian position against anti-discrimination legislation while still honestly maintaining one isn’t a homophobe.

 

Though one can see libertarian rhetoric being used by the religious right opposing gay rights in the “no special rights” slogan, which is implies the state acting as a protector of this specific minority (though the religious right opponents usually finesse the issue when one brings up “special rights” for racial minorities and the disabled”). 

 

The underlying motivation is different, since cultural conservatives don't want anti-discrimination protections codified since they couldn’t use the threat and practice of discrimination as a means of social control within civil society.  Cultural conservatives also feels this gives state protection for a subculture and behavior they find immoral, sinful, and destructive.

 

So there is an implied political alliance between the religious right (social conservatives) and the libertarian right (perhaps Tea Party, but libertarians in general, too) against this aspect of the LGBT agenda, but for different reasons.

 

There is an election in Ohio coming up in 2010 for  (Secretary of State), giving someone the power to oversee how the votes are counted in the presidential race in 2012-- to award one candidate the 7th largest electoral haul in the country from key swing state.

 

So you'd think that Democrats in Ohio would unite behind Franklin County Commissioner and devoted Progressive, Marilyn Brown. Sadly, you'd be wrong.

 

...The gist of this story: even though they won't admit it publicly, behind the scenes conservative Blue Dog sympathizer (and now Ohio Democratic Party Chair-- yet, somehow married to a Republican lobbyist) Chris Redfern, and his partner in crime who supported him for that position, Ohio Governor/screw-the-poor Ohio budget author Ted Strickland, are supporting a vicious, homophobic, anti-union, anti-choice, pro-coal, anti-minimum wage, reactionary stooge named Jennifer Garrison in the Democratic Primary. She offers nothing but attack politics, exclusionary policies, an overabundance of botox and the ability to make right-wing men embrace their rifles extra tight in the cold of the night.

...

Garrison beat a Republican incumbent in 2004 to win a state house seat from Southeast Ohio, by ATTACKING HER GOP OPPONENT FOR BEING TOO PRO-GAY. Yes, you read that right.

 

From the Gay People's Chronicle:

 

Garrison already has a rocky relationship with the LGBT community. She won her House seat by gay-baiting her predecessor, Nancy Hollister, in 2004.

 

Earlier that year, Hollister was the only Republican to vote against the so-called "defense of marriage act." It was considered a courageous vote.

 

Garrison sent out mailings that read, "If you believe marriage is between one man and one woman, there's something you should know about Nancy Hollister."

 

The other side of the card said, "DOMA was enacted precisely to protect Ohioans from having to accept 'marriages' or 'unions' entered into in other states. Despite the value of DOMA, Nancy Hollister voted against it. Jennifer Garrison believes marriage is between one man and one woman and will fight to protect our values."

 

In 2006, as a member of the House Education Committee, Garrison helped to kill an amendment that would have required Ohio schools to protect students from bullying for their sexual orientation or gender identity.

 

The anti-bullying bill passed without the LGBT protections.

 

An attorney, Garrison opposed EHEA last year, saying it is wrong to single out classes of people for protection. This is a common talking point that anti-gays use against equality laws, and is legally flawed.

 

 

From the Akron Beacon Journal (November 11, 2004):

Garrison turned the Hollister vote [against the Ohio Defense of Marriage Act] into something seemingly sinister. She told the Parkersburg (W.Va.) newspapers that 'the big difference between Nancy and I is the gay marriage issue. I am against it. She is for it.' Garrison sent mailings into homes that read: 'If you believe marriage is between one man and one woman, there is something you should know about Nancy Hollister.' The mailing then all but declares that Hollister embraces gay marriage, concluding Garrison will 'fight to protect our values.' Karl Rove would be proud. Clearly, Garrison rode the wave of state Issue 1. She and her pals should be ashamed."

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-klein/help-stop-ohios-sarah-pal_b_258452.html

Sounds like my kind of woman!

 

If you really think Ted Strickland is going to support an urban "progressive" against a SE Ohio moderate, you don't quite get who he is. 

 

Strickland's a moderate.  That's why he won in '06 and why he will probably be re-elected this year.  He's also from SE Ohio and if anything, better than Taft vis a vis the Second Amendment. 

 

If Brown gets the nomination she'll lose.  Garrison has a good chance of winning.

You don't win Ohio without winning the southeast.

You don't win Ohio without winning the southeast.

 

I don't think that was true for this past presidential election.  I don't doubt that it is a generally accurate political indicator, but I would bet the Columbus metro is an even better one.

"That's why Strickland did very well in these counties. Look at the election of 2006, and you'll see this. He won a lot of the rural counties in Northwest and Southeast Ohio. Couple that with the fact he completely dominated the metro areas of Cleveland/Toledo (plus did better than expected in Columbus), and you'll see why he scares Republicans."

 

Very good analysis, but I wouldn't say he "scares" us.  Well maybe those to whom the "R" means more than any principles whatsoever.  But we're seeing in DC that it could be worse...much worse.

 

I'm expecting him to try to keep the statewide candidates moderate while throwing the left their bones in the Senate and House races.  That way he can distance himself from them come November, and maintain the comfort level of those who sense of independence requires some ticket splitting. 

 

Political shrewdness dictates keeping his distance from Obama and the left in the general election campaign, and if he's anything, he's shrewd.

So far I've joined facebook groups attempting to "draft" two different alternative democratic candidates.  One has already indicated she will not run.  One left. 

The Dems are going into hiding for November!

At least they're not quitting their jobs to go on Fox.

Forgot to tell you I was glad to have you back!

Thank you Dan, hope you're doing well.  This is a limited engagement... exam prep has temporarily cost me my social life and my civic activities.  I'll be out there raising hell again before you know it!  In a good way...

^

My opinion is to go back to a ward system, or district elections. They have those in San Francisco and Louisville, and they give more power and representation to neighborhoods and communities.  In a way the Priority Board system was intended to do this, but they dont hold true power the way an alderman would.

 

 

Mayor Leitzell is making some moves.  From the DDN:

 

Mayor Announces Development Advisors

 

The members of the Dayton Mayor’s Leadership Council:

 

* David H. McDonald (Co-Chair), president, The McDonald Group LLC

 

* Jeff Samuelson, AIA (Co-Chair), managing member, jz Companies

 

* Phillip L. Parker, CAE, CCE, president & CEO, Dayton Area Chamber of Commerce

 

* Gregory M. Gantt, Esq., partner, Allbery Cross Fogarty, chairman Montgomery County Republican Party

 

* Thomas A. Raga, vice president of advancement Sinclair Community College

 

* S. Ted Bucaro, government and regional relations director University of Dayton

 

* Anne Higdon, president, ISUS Corp.

 

* Larry E. Couchot, partner, Couchot Hogenkamp

 

* William Duncan, partner, Thorn, Lewis and Duncan Inc.

 

* Julie Liss-Katz, director of public affairs, Premier Health Partners

 

* Glenn Alexander, former Dayton Fire Chief

 

* Stacy M. Thompson, Dayton Public Schools board member, KeyBank Vice President

 

* Cassandra S. Mitchell, educator, Journalism/Mass Communications Instructor/Community Outreach Specialist/TV Producer & Host

 

* Steve LaFlame, union liaison

 

* Col. Tim Donohue, 88th Mission Support Group Commander, Wright-Patterson AFB

 

* Richard Haas, president, Grandview/Southview Hospital System

 

∑ Rev. Wilburt Shanklin, Living Word of Faith Church

 

Then there is a blog post and follow-up comments by Esrati and his friend and political ally Greg Hunter critical of the picks, plus the usual peanut gallery of Esrati commentators

 

Leitzells First Folly

 

My opinion is that this is at least a good idea.  I am familiar with ISUS and they have been doing a good job building houses as a vocational training program for high-school age kids as a charter school.  So a good pick there.

 

 

 

Great comments in the first folly post there Jeff (of Louisville & sometimes Dayton). :)

 

Maybe even more important news than his development group is his outreach to the black community, the West side and the NAACP.  I hear he had a very warm welcome from the NAACP after his remarks to them at Westwood elementary.

 

From the Dayton Daily News:

 

Leitzell, pledging to become a lifetime member of the NAACP during a meeting Monday night, Jan. 25, met with 30 or so members of the Dayton Unit and garnered a warm reception from them at Westwood Elementary School.

….

He also pledged to include representatives of the local National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in his economic development discussions.

Garrison quits Secretary of State race, leaving O'Shaughnessy as Democratic candidate

Party liberals didn't like Marietta representative's stand on abortion, guns

Saturday,  January 30, 2010 6:14 PM

By Joe Hallett

 

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Franklin County Clerk of Courts Maryellen O'Shaughnessy is expected to be the Ohio Democratic Party's candidate for secretary of state after state Rep. Jennifer Garrison quit the race today.

 

"I feel very confident that Maryellen O'Shaughnessy is going to win," said state Democratic Chairman Chris Redfern. "She'll be the Democratic nominee if she chooses."

 

Garrison, of Marietta, had emerged as the party's leading candidate to replace Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner, who is seeking the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate on May 4.

 

But liberal Democrats have been cool to Garrison's candidacy due to her stands on social issues, including opposition to abortion rights and her staunch pro-gun views. Many Democrats feared she would be unable to rally strong support from the party's base.

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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/01/30/garrison_out.html?sid=101

I know nothing about this woman, but I don't see how her individual stances on abortion and the 2nd Amendment significantly impacts her qualifications as Secretary of State.

I know nothing about this woman, but I don't see how her individual stances on abortion and the 2nd Amendment significantly impacts her qualifications as Secretary of State.

 

They don't, it's no different than a "purity test" on the other side.  The thought was that she could alienate the base without stealing a single conservative vote, and thus lose.  Can't afford to lose that particular office with redistricting on the horizon. 

This has been covered a bit in the governor 2010 thread, but more specifically... what is this slogan all about?  It sounds bigger than the governors race, doesn't it?  Is Kasich in some kind of heated primary contest?  I wasn't aware of any, I thought he was pretty much the guy.  So is this his plan for the general election?  Even if it is aimed at Republicans... this slogan says forget the middle.  They're either with us or they're against us. 

 

The tea baggers would flip out if Democrats ever made a similar claim, even in jest.  They wanna make Ohio liberal forever!  They don't think we exist!  They don't care what we think!  Buy ammo now!  These moonbats are trying to do away with democracy itself!       

It's just a rallying call for Republicans (and communists). I think you're reading too much into it.

Red state = Republican

Blue state = Democratic

 

There were similar calls made in support of Democrats when Taft was governor or after Ohio went for George W.

Kasich's "Turn Ohio Red Again" ad sure is popping up alot around here isn't it?  Well, that's google adbots for ya!

 

Most of the younger posters here are familiar with the Red=Republican / Blue=Democratic shorthand that's come about in the past few years.  And I'm sure that Kasich's marketing people think the phrase "Turn Ohio Red" is pretty clever.  But do they realize that for most older voters that tend to vote Republican, the term "Red" = "Communist"? 

Send press inquiries / donations / cookies to:

 

Communist Party of Ohio

P.O. Box 93957

Cleveland OH 44101

Email: [email protected]

 

 

Leave it to the Commies to use a GOVERNMENT PO BOX!

Leave it to the Commies to use a GOVERNMENT PO BOX!

 

Huh?

Leave it to the Commies to use a GOVERNMENT PO BOX!

 

Huh?

Sarcasm.

Is he another muslim socialist?  What kind of name is Kasisch anyways?.... sounds Turkish.  I am going to have to spread the word...

Leave it to the Commies to use a GOVERNMENT PO BOX!

 

Huh?

Sarcasm.

LOL, I got it. And I found it pretty amusing. Especially coming from you.

Is he another muslim socialist? What kind of name is Kasisch anyways?.... sounds Turkish. I am going to have to spread the word...

 

It's probably Croatian.

Leave it to the Commies to use a GOVERNMENT PO BOX!

 

Huh?

Sarcasm.

LOL, I got it. And I found it pretty amusing. Especially coming from you.

If I have a keen sense of anything, it's the human comedy.  You have to come to grips with the inevitable to stop voting for either of the two major parties.  Once you reconcile yourself to the infinite and the eternal, contemporary politics is something relegated to thieves and court jesters.

anyone seen this? interesting...

 

 

based on the 2000 census -- new states have formed, all with equal populations of roughly 5,617,000.

 

more fun? here are the states seperated from their largest metros:

 

 

http://fakeisthenewreal.org/reform/

 

 

Very interesting stuff!

Very interesting indeed! I'll be sure to check out the website!

ha ha...Sohio. I love it. Fill 'er up!