December 6, 20222 yr Just now, ucgrady said: I've lived most of my life in Covington or adjacent areas and no one has ever called it Scott Boulevard. I think this is because 1. It is not a boulevard and actually is less boulevard-y that Greenup with it's tree lined corridor and 2. Scott Street is alliterative, and only two syllables, making it faster and nicer to say. Should I post all of these?
December 6, 20222 yr I never said you were wrong, just that no one ever says Scott Boulevard. If you ask someone where the library is, they will say "Fifth and Scott", just avoiding the issue altogether and in the entire hour long interview with the city of Covington about the new city hall everyone on both sides of the table referred to it as scott street, because that's just colloquially what people say. My dad worked in the gateway center since it was built and if you ask him he works on Scott Street, but he also still calls the Roebling the Suspension Bridge so who knows. Also again, it's not a boulevard. It isn't wider than other streets, it doesn't have more walking space, it isn't tree lined, it doesn't have a median etc. Instead of fighting for people to use a name that doesn't make sense, you should fight for the city to change the street signs to Scott St.
December 6, 20222 yr I grew up between Madison Ave and Scott Blvd on 18th St and we always called it Madison or Scott, the end.
December 6, 20222 yr Where was Covington's original City Hall? This is kind of like how Moeller doesn't have its own football stadium.
December 6, 20222 yr 53 minutes ago, Rabbit Hash said: Should I post all of these? I mean, you can if you want, but I think the overall consensus is you don't have to.
December 6, 20222 yr TIL it's Scott Boulevard. I admittedly don't spend a ton of time in Covington. But yeah, I agree with ucgrady that it doesn't feel like a boulevard. But I disagree with this: 25 minutes ago, ucgrady said: Instead of fighting for people to use a name that doesn't make sense, you should fight for the city to change the street signs to Scott St. (the figurative) you should fight to make Scott Boulevard a true boulevard, and make it a more interesting/walkable/desirable place
December 7, 20222 yr ^Well yeah that would be much more preferable. There has been talk again of turning Greenup/Scott to two streets and reworking how this area works along with Madison so I think that improvements could be made in the not so distant future. 20 hours ago, Lazarus said: Where was Covington's original City Hall? The original city hall sat where the weird half clover leaf is now at the base of the Roebling, it was semi-replaced by the Kenton Coutny building (now being converted to apartments) but the city itself moved it's city hall after this point in the early 1970s five different times. The one below was built in 1879 and knocking it down was a short-sided mistake like most urban/architectural decisions in the 1970s. Just for fun (or more tears) , this was the post office that sat on the other side of the street: If you are every bored and want to waste a few hours I would highly recommend this website: https://www.nkyviews.com/
December 7, 20222 yr Those are ridiculous losses. Unfortunately, if they had remained, they likely would have been insulted by obnoxious expansions of the sort we just saw defile the Campbell County Courthouse. I recall crossing the Suspension Bridge once when a small kid and the Kentucky approach being lined by old buildings. Whatever they were, they were leveled in order to create the current split approach around 1990. I believe that the approach originally connected directly with Court St. With the weight limit now reduced on the bridge, it would make some sense to return to the original setup. Edited December 7, 20222 yr by Lazarus
December 15, 20222 yr New IRS development fly through. The buildings won’t end up looking like this but I love the scale of the lot sizes and developments instead of it being 4 huge Dallas donuts. Looks great KZF people https://youtu.be/8tUmxT3uMFo
December 23, 20222 yr On 12/6/2022 at 2:56 PM, ryanlammi said: TIL it's Scott Boulevard. I admittedly don't spend a ton of time in Covington. But yeah, I agree with ucgrady that it doesn't feel like a boulevard. But I disagree with this: (the figurative) you should fight to make Scott Boulevard a true boulevard, and make it a more interesting/walkable/desirable place Didn't intend to kick up dust about it, @PrestoKinetic. But there many occasions when a city will have both a Xxxxxxx Street and an Xxxxxxx Court. It is amusing to chat with Covington officials and point out the BLVD signs when they call it Scott Street.
January 26, 20232 yr Covington selects architects for new city hall building The city of Covington is now one step closer to ending the decades-long “migratory existence” of its city hall. The city announced Wednesday its Board of Commissioners authorized city staff to enter negotiations with Brandstetter Carroll Inc. and Elevar Design Group to develop a contract to design a new city building. The building will be located at 620-622 Scott St., a parcel the city purchased in 2020 with the intent of someday constructing a new city hall. Brandstetter Carroll, Inc., and Elevar Design Group have over 50 years of experience in Greater Cincinnati when combined, according to a news release. The two firms have designed more than 200 buildings since they began working together in for the last 10 years, totaling over $100 million in civic construction. Those projects include 40 city halls. “It’s not hard to see their thumbprint in the region,” Andrew Wilhoite, Covington’s director of special projects, said in a release. “They’ve designed the Kenton County Administration Building, the Campbell County Administration Building, Newport City Hall, the Kenton County Jail, and the Delhi Township Town Center.” More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/01/26/covington-kentucky-new-city-hall-architect-chosen.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 6, 20232 yr This building appears to be basically complete and they are leasing it out. Also signage is up and it's being called "the Hayden".
March 20, 20232 yr Former Kenton County Administration Building, jail opens as apartments in Covington A redeveloped downtown Covington apartment community is now open, with the first wave of residents having moved in March 18. The Hayden, located at 303 Court St., is a former office building turned class A apartment community. The building was formerly the Kenton County Administration Building and jail, and included jail cells development partners Al Neyer and Urban Sites gutted as part of the project. Renovating the Hayden also included demolishing the building’s low-rise addition and stripping the building to its 1969 concrete core. The Hayden now features 133 residential units across its 12 floors, with unit balconies added alongside the new exterior. The first floor also has 4,400 square feet of commercial space available for lease. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/03/20/former-jail-administration-building-apartments.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 3, 20232 yr North by Hotel Covington and its Knowledge Bar set April 11 grand opening By Andy Brownfield – Senior staff reporter, Cincinnati Business Courier Apr 3, 2023 A $26.5 million expansion of Hotel Covington will make its public debut next week, with guests able to book rooms beginning in May. North by Hotel Covington, the expansion of the Northern Kentucky hotel into a neighboring former YMCA building, will host its grand opening at 19 E. Pike St. on April 11. Starting that day, guests will be able to book rooms for stays beginning May 1. MORE
April 3, 20232 yr Quote "Sitting on the first floor of North by Hotel Covington is the Knowledge Bar & Social Room. The hotel bar takes its name from a horse, Knowledge, that John Coppin – namesake of Hotel Covington's restaurant and bar – won a bet on in 1906, netting him the $30,000 used to purchase the lot at Seventh Street and Madison Road where Hotel Covington now sits." That's a cool story and nod to history. I love that kind of s**t and Hotel Covington does a great job with these little touches like the Coppins shopping bag shaped trash cans, the magic 8 balls in the rooms, retaining the piece of the original YMCA pool etc.
April 25, 20232 yr With the IRS site redevelopment I hope this parking lot will get redeveloped at some point.
April 26, 20232 yr On 4/24/2023 at 9:32 PM, Ucgrad2015 said: With the IRS site redevelopment I hope this parking lot will get redeveloped at some point. Bill Butler owns that city block, I highly doubt it will be developed in the near future. Our only hope is he sells it to finance his Ovation project further.
April 26, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, savadams13 said: Bill Butler owns that city block, I highly doubt it will be developed in the near future. Our only hope is he sells it to finance his Ovation project further. A fairly large office building rendering was published for this location back in the late 90s or early 2000s, when the garage was built.
May 15, 20232 yr Former Sims Furniture building in Covington could be redeveloped as startup hub Meg Erpenbeck By Liz Engel - Staff reporter May 15, 2023, 06:18am EDT A vacant furniture store located in the heart of Covington’s downtown business district could see new life as an incubation hub, and at least two local startup backers, including one of the region’s fastest-growing venture capital firms, are among its prospective tenants, according to a newly released development plan. The Sims Furniture building, which has sat empty since the retailer closed the location in April 2022, could be renovated to attract and scale tech companies in the region, said Chad Summe, managing partner of EGateway Capital, a local investment and advisory firm that specializes in digital commerce. EGateway plans to relocate its operations – as well as some of its portfolio companies – to the building, located at 727 Madison Ave. Blue North, a Northern Kentucky-focused entrepreneurship support group, is also expected to occupy the space. MORE
May 25, 20232 yr https://linknky.com/business/2023/05/25/onenky-center-coming-to-covington-riverfront/Interesting...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
May 25, 20232 yr Covington's OneNKY Center to house BE NKY Growth Partnership, Northern Kentucky Chamber, others Northern Kentucky leaders plan to build a new office building on a vacant parking lot at the foot of the Roebling Suspension Bridge to house the region’s economic growth organizations. The 43,000-square-foot building, called the OneNKY Center, will be east of the Ascent condo building and southeast of the suspension bridge. Its tenants will include: the OneNKY Alliance, the Northern Kentucky Chamber of Commerce, meetNKY, BE NKY Growth Partnership, the Catalytic Fund of Northern Kentucky, Horizon Community Funds and the Northern Kentucky Bar Association. At this point, the $26 million building is expected to be 93% full, with letters of intent signed by all of the organizations. It also will have 44 underground parking spaces. Corporex won the request for proposals and is the design-build contractor. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/05/25/onenky-center-approval.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 26, 20232 yr looks like a 1980s suburban office park building emerging from a fugue state in a strange town.
May 26, 20232 yr 14 hours ago, zsnyder said: looks like a 1980s suburban office park building emerging from a fugue state in a strange town. Of course it does, Corporex designed and is building it out. Don't expect beauty from Bill Butler... Shame we are wasting a prime piece of real estate for this ugly wanna be twin of the Ascent next door.
May 26, 20232 yr Shall we call it The Descent? "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 26, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, ColDayMan said: Shall we call it The Descent? The Ass-scent Edited May 26, 20232 yr by Lazarus
June 7, 20232 yr Amendments for development on former site of Willie’s Sports Cafe approved The Kenton County Planning Commission approved three measures allowing for the development of townhouses on the former site of Willie’s Sports Cafe in Covington. The measures were approved at a meeting Thursday night in the face of mixed opinions from people in the surrounding area. The property is located on Crescent Avenue atop a hill overlooking the city. The land is mostly vacant with only a parking lot and the skeleton of Willie’s Sports Cafe, which closed in 2014, occupying the space. More below. https://linknky.com/business/2023/06/03/amendments-for-development-on-former-site-of-willies-sports-cafe-approved/ https://goo.gl/maps/AzyJ7t1JeTXmXLCV9
June 8, 20232 yr Seem like a pretty decent site plan, given the topography and existing conditions where the "main level" will be roughly at grade with Western Ave and the lower level will still get some daylight due to the slope. My main concern with the design is with the gable ends facing Western Ave. I'm not an architect and so I'm not entirely sure what would improve the design, but something just looks off to me with those large, windowless gable ends facing the street.
June 8, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, jwulsin said: Seem like a pretty decent site plan, given the topography and existing conditions where the "main level" will be roughly at grade with Western Ave and the lower level will still get some daylight due to the slope. My main concern with the design is with the gable ends facing Western Ave. I'm not an architect and so I'm not entirely sure what would improve the design, but something just looks off to me with those large, windowless gable ends facing the street. Oh boy I cant wait to spend half a million to close to a million for my house to be directly next to the new Brent Spence Expansion bridge and interstate lanes.
June 11, 20232 yr On 6/8/2023 at 8:09 AM, jwulsin said: windowless gable ends facing the street. If you look at the rear of the far left unit, there's a railing for what I assume is a deck, which makes your observation even stranger.
June 11, 20232 yr I would think the highway noise would be nearly constant for those units and while the view (if you can see over the future I-75) would good, the drone of the traffic would not make for a relaxing outdoor environment for a deck.
June 11, 20232 yr On 6/8/2023 at 11:49 AM, savadams13 said: Oh boy I cant wait to spend half a million to close to a million for my house to be directly next to the new Brent Spence Expansion bridge and interstate lanes. People with money willingly buy property next to the interstate highways, but when poor people happen to live next to them, it's an "injustice".
June 12, 20232 yr Related to the highway noise question.. I have a genuine question (not asking rhetorically): how do residents at Parker Flats (corner of West Fourth and Central Ave) in Cincinnati feel about the highway sound? I know those condos were built recently and they seem pretty nice, but I've always wondered if the highway noise is a bother. Specifically, how effective are those garage doors at blocking sounds? And once you're outside on the balconies, is the noise overwhelming?
June 14, 20232 yr On 6/12/2023 at 12:00 PM, jwulsin said: Related to the highway noise question.. I have a genuine question (not asking rhetorically): how do residents at Parker Flats (corner of West Fourth and Central Ave) in Cincinnati feel about the highway sound? I know those condos were built recently and they seem pretty nice, but I've always wondered if the highway noise is a bother. Specifically, how effective are those garage doors at blocking sounds? And once you're outside on the balconies, is the noise overwhelming? Yeah...the renderings of the KY approaches do not capture how ridiculously high they are going to be. I would bet that the ramps will be the extent of the view from these.
July 22, 20231 yr On 6/11/2023 at 8:34 AM, Lazarus said: People with money willingly buy property next to the interstate highways, but when poor people happen to live next to them, it's an "injustice". It’s an injustice because poor people didn’t have a choice that a highway was rammed through their neighborhoods. They don’t “happen” to live next to them.
July 22, 20231 yr 7 hours ago, jeremyck01 said: It’s an injustice because poor people didn’t have a choice that a highway was rammed through their neighborhoods. They don’t “happen” to live next to them. It's unlikely that poor people owned the property that they were displaced from (or lived next to), meaning they didn't lose any home equity. My own family was given a 30-day eviction notice when interstate highway construction caused hillside slippage and they had to tear down ours and a number of other buildings on very short notice. They gave everybody a small sum of money to relocate (like $200), so we...moved to another apartment. It's a minor footnote in our family's history, not the epic fate-sealing slammed door that the "equity" army imagines (wants!) such an event to be.
July 22, 20231 yr 3 hours ago, Lazarus said: It's unlikely that poor people owned the property that they were displaced from (or lived next to), meaning they didn't lose any home equity. My own family was given a 30-day eviction notice when interstate highway construction caused hillside slippage and they had to tear down ours and a number of other buildings on very short notice. They gave everybody a small sum of money to relocate (like $200), so we...moved to another apartment. It's a minor footnote in our family's history, not the epic fate-sealing slammed door that the "equity" army imagines (wants!) such an event to be. Now be black in the 1950s and have almost every landlord refuse to rent to you. Oh, and all those businesses that would have hired you? They're gone, too. So now you have to move to a new neighborhood that doesn't want you there, and you have to find employment? They don't care that you have 8 years of experience with this other business. You're black, so you aren't going to get the job. The social networks of the neighborhood are gone, which takes away tons of opportunity. But I guess your family had to move once, so it's the same experience.
July 22, 20231 yr ^ Dont know what some of this has to do with Covington developments and the noise issues. Probably better saved for the grievance forum on the site.
July 23, 20231 yr 22 hours ago, ryanlammi said: Now be black in the 1950s and have almost every landlord refuse to rent to you. How did millions of black Americans move to the north if "every" landlord was refusing to rent to them? And the key term is rent, not own, which deflates the whole "they built a highway right through 'my' neighborhood" thing. Nobody got rich in Cincinnati, or anywhere else in the midwest, from the appreciation of their single-family home, and in fact many people lost money. Several of my relatives lost big money on their homes thanks to the deterioration of the west side.
July 23, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: How did millions of black Americans move to the north if "every" landlord was refusing to rent to them? 23 hours ago, ryanlammi said: Now be black in the 1950s and have almost every landlord refuse to rent to you. Surprised I'm the first to tell you about racism, but it was really blatant in the middle of the 20th Century. Black people only had a couple of neighborhoods where they could find housing. Then the various governments destroyed many of those neighborhoods. 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: And the key term is rent, not own, which deflates the whole "they built a highway right through 'my' neighborhood" thing. Those who were forced out weren't all renters. I don't have the data (not sure it exists without doing an extensive dive into every individual property record), but I'm sure a lot of homeowners and business owners were forced to become renters and employees after they were forced out of their property and not adequately reimbursed. 1 hour ago, Lazarus said: Nobody got rich in Cincinnati, or anywhere else in the midwest, from the appreciation of their single-family home, and in fact many people lost money. Several of my relatives lost big money on their homes thanks to the deterioration of the west side. I don't know what this has to do with anything, but that's a bummer, I guess. If they held out longer and sold today they probably would've made a good profit.
July 23, 20231 yr I bet i get chastized for this but, here goes anyway. Here is a link to a history of Segregation in Cincinnati Neighborhoods. https://www.cincinnati.com/in-depth/news/2022/02/23/segregation-cincinnatis-neighborhoods-brief-history/9259891002/ It is an easy to read and visually interesting history of black people moving to Cincinnati since the early 18 hundreds. Read the section called 1930s. In the 1930s federal programs helped to red line and monitor the blacks from certain areas in town. The blacks were clustered in the poorest areas and kept from moving into the nicer areas: Mt Auburn, Evanston, Clifton Heights. So, since certain people were not given loans, and clustered into specific areas you can't really blame the color of someone's skin for the demise of old Cincinnati. People have a limited amount they can borrow and if the banks, lawyers, city government decide to ban people they can and did do it. If you could afford a car you needed more room. So, the burbs were a place to go. If you relyed on public transportation you probably lived where there was public transportation. To the moderators; I'm just following the thread of the conversation. https://www.cincinnati.com/in-depth/news/2022/02/23/segregation-cincinnatis-neighborhoods-brief-history/9259891002/
July 24, 20231 yr To bring this back to Covington, William Devou owned much of the property in the West End and was very open about renting to black people, was married to a black woman and became extremely wealthy doing so, he then donated the 500 acres of land he owned in Covington to the city to make a park where his parents lived. When he died his property went to Covington so when choosing where to place the Mill Creek expressway it wasn't just about decimating the black neighborhood, which it clearly was, but ALSO the black neighborhood owned by the city across the border. “It seems rather amusing for tenement houses in Cincinnati’s West End to keep on producing rents for the upkeep of trees and flowers in Covington.” - 10 December 1937 Alfred Segal, Cincinnati Post
July 24, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, ucgrady said: When he died his property went to Covington so when choosing where to place the Mill Creek expressway it wasn't just about decimating the black neighborhood, which it clearly was, but ALSO the black neighborhood owned by the city across the border. Where else should I-75 have been built? The only other option was behind Union Terminal, on a very expensive viaduct above the rail yard, with a bridge parallel to the Southern RR Bridge and an expressway parallel to the railroad up the hill, on the Ludlow side of Devou Park. The problem with that route was that it was not going to be able to serve DT Cincinnati without an east/west expressway through the West End (which was built anyway - the Sixth St. Expressway), and would have left Covington without direct interstate highway access. Even if this alternative possibility had happened, the West End still would have physically and socially deteriorated in a similar way to Over-the-Rhine, with 50% or more of its buildings demolished by 2000.
July 24, 20231 yr It could have followed along, as you say, follow the train tracks and crossed at Ludlow but it didn't need to go behind Union Terminal. Where I-75 currently crossed under Ezzard Charles I-75 could've easily drifted West instead of East, avoiding most of the urban west end, hugged tight to the train tracks and crossed adjacent to the Southern bridge, instead of hugging close to the Clay Wade bridge as it does now. This crossing would've made the most sense from a terrain perspective avoiding the cut in the hill and would've left the west end of downtown mostly intact. Today Covington only has two exits, and crossing between Covington and Ludlow would've still given it one direct exit but it's interesting to think what would've happened to Botony Hills if this had happened and what kind of distributer road would've been built to connect east/west to downtown Covington. I like to imagine the area around the Willow Run creek and Goebel park would've been really pretty.
July 25, 20231 yr 9 hours ago, ucgrady said: It could have followed along, as you say, follow the train tracks and crossed at Ludlow but it didn't need to go behind Union Terminal. I forgot that there actually was such an expressway planned and actually started. The I-74 interchange at Colerain/Beekman originally had preparations for a new expressway north to North College Hill and Mt. Healthy, along with a route south, parallel to I-71, essentially above the Mill Creek. Here: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.157081,-84.5500238,416m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu Cumminsville, obviously, wasn't torn down because this expressway wasn't built. Neither was Lower Price Hill. But they both suffered long declines, just like the West End would have if it hadn't been torn down.
September 14, 20231 yr IRS site got its first load of fill dirt this morning, hopefully a sign of more significant work starting up:
Create an account or sign in to comment