March 9, 20232 yr 13 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Not quite. There is a process for kicking someone out of office. It is not as simple as a group of people saying he is done once indicted. You still have to respect the fact he was an elected officeholder through the process and that the people chose to elect him. There is a lot of administrative work to kick him out. Not a simple process. Especially when he got re-elected after he got indicted. You certainly remove someone who has been convicted, but not before without due process.
March 9, 20232 yr 6 minutes ago, E Rocc said: The Russo-Dimora case was a "mole hill"? The stuff that went on while Budish was ostensibly in charge? Okay. If repubs ran better candidates, Russo, Dimora and Budish would've never held office. It's the Republican's fault that all happened. That's gOp logic for ya. Edited March 9, 20232 yr by Clefan98
March 9, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, E Rocc said: It most certainly does belong. The fact that you don't like it sounds like you don't want your side held to the same standards as the other. To be honest, I can understand why. No, it doesn't belong here or anywhere else honest people converse. Edited March 9, 20232 yr by Clefan98
March 9, 20232 yr The both sideism is probably very helpful when you want to rationalize your pre-determined beliefs especially when they run counter to actual (not alternative) facts.
March 10, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: If you pay more in taxes, it is common sense that you would see a larger tax cut in dollars than someone who pays less tax. It still means that the wealthy are still paying the lions share of taxes in Ohio. I hate when people act like these numbers are something more than they are and misrepresent them as some windfall to the rich which it isn't Did you actually do the math on this one: 75K in taxable income = $140 in savings. $100K in taxable income = $296 in savings. $150K in taxable income = $870 in savings. $200K in taxable income = $1,490 in savings. $300K in taxable income = $2,730 in savings. Sooo, if you took four people making 75,000 and times it by four, which would equal 300K, they collectively are getting back, checks calculator, a grand total of $560 dollars compared to the person making 300K getting back $2,730 for a difference of close to 500%. Are you trying to say the guy making 300K a year pays 500% more in taxes than the four people making 75K? You do see how ridiculous that sounds?
March 10, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, stpats44113 said: Did you actually do the math on this one: 75K in taxable income = $140 in savings. $100K in taxable income = $296 in savings. $150K in taxable income = $870 in savings. $200K in taxable income = $1,490 in savings. $300K in taxable income = $2,730 in savings. Sooo, if you took four people making 75,000 and times it by four, which would equal 300K, they collectively are getting back, checks calculator, a grand total of $560 dollars compared to the person making 300K getting back $2,730 for a difference of close to 500%. Are you trying to say the guy making 300K a year pays 500% more in taxes than the four people making 75K? You do see how ridiculous that sounds? Don’t bring math to a vibes-based argument When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
March 10, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, Clefan14 said: The both sideism is probably very helpful when you want to rationalize your pre-determined beliefs especially when they run counter to actual (not alternative) facts. Or when you don't want your side held to the same standards you hold the other.
March 10, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: Or when you don't want your side held to the same standards you hold the other. Isn't it a little early for your Olympic-level mental gymnastics routine? The only cancerous Party is the GOP. The only gold medal winning liars are the GOP. The only real existential threat to America is the GOP. The party of the grift
March 10, 20232 yr 43 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: Isn't it a little early for your Olympic-level mental gymnastics routine? The only cancerous Party is the GOP. The only gold medal winning liars are the GOP. The only real existential threat to America is the GOP. The party of the grift Never too early when someone decides to make my point for me.
March 12, 20232 yr I am a big fan of Republican on Republican infighting. OH Rep Carruthers here on bring censured by her county’s Republican Party for the sin of voting for a conservative Republican for Speaker of the Ohio House When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
March 20, 20232 yr No, this is not an Onion article... Ohio GOP Proposes Bill to Allow Teenagers to Become Police Officers The Ohio House version of a bill to lower the age to become a police officer across the state was introduced earlier this month with equal parts support and scrutiny. House Bill 84’s co-sponsors, state Reps. Steve Demetriou, R-Bainbridge Twp., and Josh Williams, R-Oregon, said the bill is aimed at hampering a shortage of law enforcement staff and also bringing up morale, which they say have been brought down not by misconduct or criminal cases brought against fellow officers in the state or by a lack of funding, but by “a social movement” in the state and country against police. “We need to give every opportunity for departments to find those candidates that can step up and protect their community,” Williams told the House Homeland Security Committee. To help that, the GOP sponsors said the state needs to only change one word in Ohio Revised Code: the minimum appointment age for a police officer from 21 years old to 18. In current law, 18-year-olds can join law enforcement, but only in a “cadet” program. Becoming a full officer can’t occur until 21. “While House Bill 84 is not the end-all to the human resource challenges our police departments face, it does give police chiefs of departments big and small another option to utilize when considering candidates to fill vacant rolls in their respective forces,” Demetriou said. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-proposes-bill-to-allow-teenagers-to-become-police-officers-ocj1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 20, 20232 yr Are there any real-life examples where an organization lowered standards and somehow the results were positive?
March 21, 20232 yr This is really effing stupid. And reckless. I can’t imagine any sort of good coming out of it.
March 21, 20232 yr What do you mean that people without a fully developed sense of empathy (merely due to their brain development stage) might make bad cops?
March 21, 20232 yr On the one hand, we let people join the Army at 18. On the other hand, I remember being a freshman at OSU and watching the executive function of other 18-year-olds on display. 😬
March 26, 20232 yr Wow. That's nuts... "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
March 26, 20232 yr On 3/21/2023 at 6:19 AM, Gramarye said: On the one hand, we let people join the Army at 18. On the other hand, I remember being a freshman at OSU and watching the executive function of other 18-year-olds on display. 😬 18 year old kids in the army are in a very controlled environment, with rigorous training and oversight. They aren't normally sent into the streets and forced into life or death situations without supervision.
March 26, 20232 yr Unless they're female, in which it's a free-for-all of harassment and sexual assaults.
March 26, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Cleburger said: 18 year old kids in the army are in a very controlled environment, with rigorous training and oversight. They aren't normally sent into the streets and forced into life or death situations without supervision. The amount of autonomy, responsibility, and supervision provided to an 18-year-old E1 and that we entrust with police officers could not be further apart. Edited March 26, 20232 yr by brtshrcegr
March 29, 20232 yr Ohio GOP Legislators Pushing for Major Changes to Lawmaking & Elections Ohio state senators began hearings Tuesday for their measure to impose a 60% supermajority to pass constitutional amendments. If the proposal passes both chambers with the support three-fifths of members, it goes to the ballot. The sponsors of the resolution are also backing a bill to revive August elections — just in time for their supermajority ballot measure. They introduced that bill on Tuesday, as well. The supermajority resolution, SJR 2 In committee, state Sens. Theresa Gavarone, R-Bowling Green, and Rob McColley, R-Napoleon, described their proposal as an idea whose time has come. “SJR 2 preserves the ability of any group to propose amendments to the Constitution,” Gavarone argued. “But it also ensures that all communities are represented for purposes of determining what ideas will make it to the ballot.” Gavarone recently sponsored a suite of new voter restrictions in Ohio elections that was passed by the Ohio General Assembly and signed by Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, and she is sponsoring a host of other, new election changes. Although Gavarone’s Senate resolution establishes the same 60% threshold for passing constitutional amendments included in the House version, it doesn’t carry other provisions. The House resolution, HJR 1 would require organizers gather signatures from all 88 counties. Current law requires signatures from 44. The measure would also eliminate the “cure period” in which signature gatherers can collect additional petitions if their first effort falls short. Democrats on the committee criticized the idea of subverting majority rule. Sen. Bill DeMora, D-Columbus, asked the sponsors if they’d be willing to apply the same standard in the legislature. “Are the sponsors okay with 14 members of the Senate or 40 members of the House, stopping any the bill from getting passed?” he pressed. “Because that’s what this is doing. It’s allowing 40% of the population to stop what the clear majority wants to pass.” Full article below: https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-legislators-pushing-for-major-changes-to-lawmaking-elections-ocj1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
April 4, 20232 yr "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
April 18, 20232 yr Survey: Most Ohio Republicans Don’t Want Citizen-Led Amendments A majority of Ohio’s Republican lawmakers want to make it harder for voters to amend the state Constitution. But significantly fewer think it’s something Ohioans would support at the polls, according to a Gongwer-Werth poll published on Friday. Some Ohio House Republicans — and Secretary of State Frank LaRose — are reviving a measure that failed in last year’s lame-duck legislative session. It would raise the percentage of votes it would take to amend the Ohio Constitution from 50% to 60%. Only about a quarter of lawmakers responded to the Gongwer-Werth poll, but the responses might be indicative of the legislature as a whole. Among them, 88% of Republican lawmakers supported the measure, while far fewer — 56% — believed it would get more than 50% of the vote. Another 19% said they believed it would fail and 25% were undecided. That means most Republicans aren’t convinced their proposal to require at least 60% of voters to change the Constitution would meet that threshold. But because they’re pushing to hold an election under the current, 50% requirement, it wouldn’t have to. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/survey-most-ohio-republicans-dont-want-citizen-led-amendments-ocj1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 1, 20232 yr Former Ohio Governors Oppose GOP Changes to Amendment Threshold A group of Republican Ohio lawmakers are dead set on raising the threshold for passing amendments to the state constitution and resurrecting an August special election to do so. But some in the party aren’t comfortable with such an aggressive maneuver. Last week, former Ohio Governor Bob Taft, a Republican, spoke out forcefully against it. “I urge you (1) not to revive the August special election and (2) not to support a constitutional amendment to raise from a simple majority to 60% the voter approval threshold for amendments to the Ohio Constitution,” he wrote in letter to members of the General Assembly. Last week, Cleveland.com reported that former Republican Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Democratic governors Dick Celeste and Ted Strickland have also all now spoken out against the proposal. Meanwhile, current Republican Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine last week said he would sign legislation to bring back the August election for the proposal, Cleveland.com reported. Just months ago, DeWine signed legislation to eliminate August elections in Ohio. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/former-ohio-governors-oppose-gop-changes-to-amendment-threshold-ocj1/ You know it's bad when Taft, KKKasich, Strickland, and Celeste all agree on something. "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 2, 20232 yr Where our our resident forum conservatives to share their opinion on a ballot initiative that the past 20+ years of Ohio leadership says is terrible? Edited May 2, 20232 yr by BigDipper 80 “To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”
May 2, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, BigDipper 80 said: Where our our resident forum conservatives to share their opinion on a ballot initiative that the past 20+ years of Ohio leadership says is terrible? Maybe they're busy trying to find a way to blame it on the liberals? Just kidding, I'm sure they're out there somewhere, polishing their "Make Ohio Great Again" hats and sharpening their arguments against anything that doesn't fit their worldview.
May 9, 20232 yr Ohio GOP Leaders Met on Friday to Talk Abortion and the August Election The Ohio Republican Party central committee gathered in a downtown Columbus ballroom Friday morning. Ahead of the pledge of the allegiance, one committee member urged her fellows not to pause before “under god.” The members dutifully took her advice; some even ad-libbed “born and unborn” at the end. Party chairman Alex Triantafilou joked “we take orders very well,” and voiced hopes it might be a harbinger of things to come. The impromptu inclusion of abortion policy in the pledge of allegiance certainly foreshadowed the day’s debate. As for members falling in line though, it didn’t quite work out that way. ... 60 percent Later that afternoon, the committee took up a resolution imploring lawmakers to get the supermajority measure on the ballot and to pass another bill establishing an August special election. Supporters want to ensure the supermajority proposal gets a vote in August before the abortion amendment goes to voters. Otherwise, they’d get no benefit from the higher threshold. The plan’s sponsors initially argued the effort had nothing to do with abortion. Any pretense to that effect is gone. The snag is lawmakers got rid of August elections just a few months ago. So they’d first need to pass legislation restoring them, and the clock is ticking. The deadline to get something on an August ballot is May 10. “I think it’s absolutely pathetic that we are standing here five days before the deadline,” Barbara Holwadel complained. She argued they wouldn’t be in such dire straits if not for Speaker Stephens and his Republican supporters. “The 22 who voted with the Democrats,” she described, “which in my opinion is unforgivable.” Leneghan called those reluctant Republicans “The blue 22.” “Even though this body voted to censure them, they basically flipped us off and said, we’re gonna continue on this road of hellfire setting this party back 40 years, and we don’t care what you say or what you do, we’re killing this bill.” More of this silliness below: https://columbusunderground.com/ohio-gop-leaders-met-on-friday-to-talk-abortion-and-the-august-election-ocj1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
May 9, 20232 yr 12,000 young folks graduated from Ohio State yesterday at the Shoe. The Ohio GOP is up the street chasing most of them to the coasts. Truly shameful.
May 9, 20232 yr 58 minutes ago, Cleburger said: 12,000 young folks graduated from Ohio State yesterday at the Shoe. The Ohio GOP is up the street chasing most of them to the coasts. Truly shameful. I'm curious: Which faction of the Ohio GOP are you arguing is chasing young OSU graduates to the coasts? Because the 22 Ohio House Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote with the Democrats won. The Speaker's chair in the Ohio House went to a centrist Republican who would not have been elected without bipartisan support. Also, considering the geometric increase in major corporate investments in Ohio under the last however-many years of unified Republican control of the General Assembly and the governor's mansion, I'm honestly curious whether the share of Ohio public university graduates who leave the state for work is higher or lower than it was 5 or 10 years ago. It would not be at all surprising if brain drain is less of a phenomenon now in Ohio than it has been in living memory. Though of course I could be wrong; anecdotally, of the core group of my own friends who graduated from Ohio State, most have left the state and not returned. (Also by potentially staggering coincidence: I'm the only one of that group with kids.) Of the other Buckeyes I know who were more casual acquaintances: I know a surprising number who left the state, made some bigger-city money for a little while, and then came back. I suspect that that life script is alive and well for many newly-minted Buckeyes. And other Ohio state universities that are not The Ohio State University, too. My wife (graduate of a different Ohio state university) went to San Francisco for a while after graduation, and still has great memories from there, but I seriously asked her about moving back recently when a job listing that would be a potentially good fit there came across my feed, and she was emphatically not interested anymore. Even her income alone (to say nothing of our combined income) is substantially higher now and would get hit hard by California's tax rates, and of course real estate prices for a house for a family of five there are astronomical. Rumors of Ohio's demise have been greatly exaggerated.
May 9, 20232 yr Lol please use caution when using your individual life and anecdotal references to extrapolate out to the broader population. I went to OSU graduated in the past 10 years and I would say the majority of people I know left Ohio. Of those who were from Ohio originally, a lot moved to larger cities for various things (diversity, jobs, real city living, etc). The only (few) ones I’m aware of keen on staying around are those that are from and can’t wait to get back into their hometowns. Yikes I know. All of our “perspectives” are a grain of salt. regarding Ohio’s “demise”. I sure don’t think the socialism for the rural areas and super Christian people due to the political favorability is doing the state any good from a financial perspective. But it seems to be the playbook. Sure Ohio has a better cost of living (what area that doesn’t attract residents doesn’t?) but as someone who works remote and I’m the only person from the Midwest everyone tries to contain their laughter when I tell them I’m from cleveland and went to osu. Can’t really blame them tbh, as most of their assumptions are spot on.
May 9, 20232 yr 8 hours ago, Gramarye said: I'm curious: Which faction of the Ohio GOP are you arguing is chasing young OSU graduates to the coasts? Because the 22 Ohio House Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote with the Democrats won. The Speaker's chair in the Ohio House went to a centrist Republican who would not have been elected without bipartisan support. Speaker Stephens isn’t even remotely centrist and neither are a bunch of the R’s who voted for him. (E.G. Bill Seitz!) Just because he demonstrated enough willingness to work w Democrats that they decided to strategically vote him over the completely reviled Merrin doesn’t make him a centrist. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
May 9, 20232 yr 7 hours ago, Clefan14 said: Lol please use caution when using your individual life and anecdotal references to extrapolate out to the broader population. I went to OSU graduated in the past 10 years and I would say the majority of people I know left Ohio. Of those who were from Ohio originally, a lot moved to larger cities for various things (diversity, jobs, real city living, etc). The only (few) ones I’m aware of keen on staying around are those that are from and can’t wait to get back into their hometowns. Yikes I know. All of our “perspectives” are a grain of salt. And yet I don't see you advising any kind of caution or asking for a scintilla of evidence in response to this sweeping, stereotyping generalization: 10 hours ago, Cleburger said: 12,000 young folks graduated from Ohio State yesterday at the Shoe. The Ohio GOP is up the street chasing most of them to the coasts. Truly shameful. Confirmation bias maybe just a little? Does anyone actually have any data on what percentage of OSU graduates left the state in 2003, 2013, and 2023? Not to mention how many returned in 5-10 years? Data is better than anecdotes, but anecdotes are better than nothing. And I was responding to a nothing. 33 minutes ago, Boomerang_Brian said: Speaker Stephens isn’t even remotely centrist and neither are a bunch of the R’s who voted for him. (E.G. Bill Seitz!) Just because he demonstrated enough willingness to work w Democrats that they decided to strategically vote him over the completely reviled Merrin doesn’t make him a centrist. I think we have different definitions of centrism. But at the very least, Stephens and Merrin differ on their support for restoring the August election just to attempt to pass the 60% threshold for citizen-initiative constitutional amendments, and Merrin supports the complete elimination of the state income tax. But perhaps even more damningly for Stephens (or good for Allison Russo and the Democrats who voted him in, from your perspective), is that Merrin was more committed to the backpack bill to make school choice universal statewide. Getting that necessary corrective to overreliance on government schools passed with Stephens in the speakership chair with Democratic backing will be a much heavier lift. https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2023/02/23/ohio-state-rep-derek-merrin-lays-out-competing-set-of-republican-priorities/ Russo's reach across the aisle was a brilliant strategic move from the perspective of the teachers unions, and her getting her caucus to follow suit was a substantial leadership accomplishment. Stephens might not look like a centrist to anyone far enough left that they're occasionally critiquing Bernie Sanders from the left, but at the very least, he's going to be watching his right flank as much or more than his left one.
May 9, 20232 yr 11 hours ago, Cleburger said: 12,000 young folks graduated from Ohio State yesterday at the Shoe. The Ohio GOP is up the street chasing most of them to the coasts. Truly shameful. This is such a false statement and really does not recognize the reality of why people move. Maybe today, there are a few of the chicken little types who move to a state because of some overarching political preference that is a bit dethatched from reality, but for the most part, people are moving to areas where there are jobs in their field and opportunities to start in their career. Chances are, where they start is not where they finish. To @Gramarye's point. Ohio lost more people in the 80s and 90s to other states that they currently are losing now. What are the top reasons why people were leaving Ohio? Certainly, many went for weather and went down to Florida. Many of them older people but there were a good number of graduates who moved South to Florida and Texas to take advantage of the weather. Maybe many of those people tend to be conservative because most of the positions that young graduates move to Florida for tend to be in certain sales industries that cater to more conservative leaning people, but most likely, they are not moving for political considerations, they are moving for lifestyle preference. many of the people in the 80s and 90s who left Ohio were not college grads and they tended to move to the Sun Belt. Looking specifically at the college grads (and you can take HS Grads going to elite colleges), they are going to areas where they have there was a concentration of jobs in the fields where they desired to work. Some people wanted political jobs and to work for a Congressman/Senate or government agency. Those low level entry jobs (and influence) did not exist in Ohio. It is hard to be a top lobbyist and be based in Ohio. I know a few, and they had to cut their chops in larger cities first before returning. Whether they are personally progressive or MAGA Republican, their politics had little to do with their job choice after graduation. For many in the high finance industry, there are not too many investment banking opportunities in Ohio, and where there are some, they typically are not hiring the new grads. You need to go to New York, Chicago, San Fran, or Houston for many of those jobs. Again politics is not the primary reason for those moves rather, it is the concentration of employment there. Same thing with the movie industry or with the technology industry. What hurt Ohio, which was understandable if you think about it, is that many of the early 21st century job center concentrations did not develop in Ohio. Ohio was focused on manufacturing which is what led to their tremendous growth n the 20th century. They wanted to protect that and the Ohio economy was built around that. New York was always a finance capital, LA was the entertainment capital. Boston always had the medical sciences, etc. They were better positioned to take advantage of this going back to the 80s when these trends started to emerge. Politics had almost nothing to do with it (after all, in the 80s and 90s IL was more of a Republican State, New York and a lot of Republicans in leadership and even California trended Republican at that time).
May 9, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, Gramarye said: Rumors of Ohio's demise have been greatly exaggerated. I think there is much more of a false narrative going on about Ohio than what is actually true. Yes, Ohio is not a fast growing state, but it is still growing, albeit slowly. What I find ironic is that people rail against the current GOP as chasing people away yet not a peep from them about why Illinois and New York (2 supposed liberal bastions) are actually losing population. @Cleburger If people were running away from Ohio because of the GOP politics, then what are the reasons why they are leaving New York and Illinois?
May 9, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: . Politics had almost nothing to do with it (after all, in the 80s and 90s IL was more of a Republican State, New York and a lot of Republicans in leadership and even California trended Republican at that time). Texas was Democrat in the 80s. Almost nobody moves purely for political reasons. Remember when all of those people said they were going to move to Canada if Bush won reelection? He did and they didn't. It's a lot easier to switch states than move to Canada, but almost nobody does it for anything other than job, family, or retirement. Some businesses do switch states for tax purposes or to gain access to a workforce that doesn't exist where the business was founded.
May 9, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: If people were running away from Ohio because of the GOP politics, then what are the reasons why they are leaving New York and Illinois? This is a good question and one I should have asked, too.
May 9, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Lazarus said: Almost nobody moves purely for political reasons. Remember when all of those people said they were going to move to Canada if Bush won reelection? He did and they didn't. I remember back in law school, there was a faction of people who said they were moving to Canada if Bush won. A few of us as jokes made some Canadian Welcome Packets and placed it in their mailboxes. I can't remember anyone actually moving. One girl did move to London and Denmark I guess, but it took her a few years to do so.
May 9, 20232 yr The NY Times has charts for every U.S. state illustrating where people have moved from and to. Ohio is almost unbelievably steady over the past 100 years. Contrast our data with Alabama or Mississippi one and and then California or Texas on the other.
May 9, 20232 yr ^ Not surprisingly, the states where most Ohioans have movedin in the last 40 years have been in the Sunbelt.
May 9, 20232 yr Now post a chart showing the # of people who won't move to Ohio because of how backwards it's perceived.
May 9, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: @Cleburger If people were running away from Ohio because of the GOP politics, then what are the reasons why they are leaving New York and Illinois? Housing costs.
May 9, 20232 yr 27 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Yes, Ohio is not a fast growing state, but it is still growing, albeit slowly No it's not. Ohio has lost over 43,000 residents between 2020 and 2022.
May 9, 20232 yr 28 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: Now post a chart showing the # of people who won't move to Ohio because of how backwards it's perceived. Ohio has been perceived as boring farms and sad closed factories for 50+ years. The self-important people who watch political shows and waste a lot of energy on Twitter aren't going to move here anyways, but they comprise only a tiny fraction of the population. They can't stop talking but they have very little influence on people outside of their niche.
May 9, 20232 yr On 5/9/2023 at 9:34 AM, DEPACincy said: Housing costs. I know a lot of people that won't live near Columbus because of cost and unavailability. Closest they will come is like, outside Circleville. And a lot of them grew up closer to Columbus than where they live now or have lived there in the past. Edited May 11, 20232 yr by GCrites80s
May 9, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: Now post a chart showing the # of people who won't move to Ohio because of how backwards it's perceived. ^ this. Our legislature is doing its best to compete with Florida and Texas to outdo themselves. If only this state wasn't gerrymandered to hell and the GOP had to pay attention to its constituents vs pushing things through with their illegal supermajority. Why the heck would you move here these days when Michigan and PA and so many other states are moving in a completely opposite direction politics-wise.
May 9, 20232 yr The brain drain narrative in Ohio is complicated, but mostly imagined. Ohio has two problems - it does not attract any domestic migrants any more, and it attracts very few international immigrants outside of Columbus. Nearly every place that has been growing strongly in the last 50 years has done so with robust international immigration. My issue with Ohio is how Ohio-centric it is. Ohio sees itself as a major center of industry left behind with industrialization and automation, and rather than opening itself up to the world and its new possibilities, its is closing itself up tighter and tighter trying to hold on to the past. Kind of like the old river cities of Cincinnati, Louisville, St. Louis, the glory days of the steamboats are gone, and people my age still talk about what high school they attended. Columbus, Indianapolis, Chicago and Minneapolis (Detroit?) might be exceptions to this, but the hinterlands seem to be folding over on themselves trying to recapture a past that probably never really existed. Hence the support for Trump.
May 9, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, GISguy said: ^ this. Our legislature is doing its best to compete with Florida and Texas to outdo themselves. If only this state wasn't gerrymandered to hell and the GOP had to pay attention to its constituents vs pushing things through with their illegal supermajority. Why the heck would you move here these days when Michigan and PA and so many other states are moving in a completely opposite direction politics-wise. Florida and Texas are two of the fastest-growing states in the country, and not coincidentally, also either red or at least reddish-purple. Who do you think we should be trying to outdo? Illinois? New York? California?
