Posted August 10, 200618 yr I really hope the rest of you want to tear into this story as much as I do! Schmidt's SUV uses ethanol Says she won't be buying much Persian Gulf oil PHOTO: Rep. Jean Schmidt's new ride is a 2007 Chevrolet Tahoe that can run on ethanol. The Enquirer / Leigh Patton BY MALIA RULON | ENQUIRER WASHINGTON BUREAU WASHINGTON - U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Miami Township, said Wednesday that she has struck her own blow in the war on terrorism: She bought an ethanol-powered vehicle. "I will be one of the first in line to buy ethanol this month," said Schmidt, the proud owner of a red 2007 Chevy Tahoe that runs on either the E85 blend of 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline or - if it must - gasoline. Her license plate reads: "E85 4 OH." E-mail [email protected] http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060810/NEWS01/608100367/1077
August 10, 200618 yr I'm on her mailing list - here's her message: Black Gold It wasn't until the 1930's when major oil discoveries were made in the Persian Gulf States. The United Kingdom controlled most of the region politically for almost two hundred years. Only at the beginning of World War II did the U.S.S.R. and the United States begin to see the economic significance of the region. Four years ago all of the world's oil producers collected about $300 billion annually. It was an enormous sum of money for regions that frankly had few resources until the last half century. Entire towns grew in the desert. Petrol dollars fueled construction, trade, and vast wealth for royal families. Almost half of the world's known oil can be found in the Persian Gulf. This is an economically stunning amount of resources contained in a handful of small countries. Those energy resources will keep increasing in value. Today the $300 billion annual figure has grown to over $800 billion. Oil producing states will collect over $800 billion for the oil they produce this year alone. Half of that sum will end up in the Persian Gulf. That figure may increase dramatically as the Asian demand for oil grows rapidly, further increasing the demand and thus the price for oil. This growing Persian Gulf wealth is becoming a significant problem because it is beginning to filter down to individuals and groups that desperately want to harm America. The first goal of any monarch is to wake up tomorrow and still be in power. The royal families of the Persian Gulf have made hundreds of billions in oil profits. The only thing keeping them in the way of making even more is political instability at home. Far too often these families are willing to buy off domestic political trouble. Extremist groups take royal money and use it to plot terrorism in the West. Peace at home for the royals comes with a hefty price tag for everywhere else. The United States has launched a major financial operation at tracking down these funds and exposing the guilty parties. We have made great progress but money often finds a way around the barriers. Our government must continue to do everything it can to stop the flow of terrorism funding. I am confident that the government will make a huge impact. However, more needs to be done. There is another way to impact terrorism funding. We simply must reduce the amount of oil we purchase from the Persian Gulf. Our nation must become energy independent as soon as feasible. For decades we have heard the virtues of mass transit and alternative sources of energy. Those virtues now include our national security. We have come a long way with hybrid technology already. Ethanol will be available at the pump this month in Cincinnati. Hydrogen fuel cells are working on test cars. However, we need to continue to invest in technologies and research. We also need to increase the minimum mileage requirements on our cars and trucks. I recently purchased a new ethanol powered vehicle as my daily driver. I will be one of the first in line to buy ethanol this month. Not because ethanol is less costly or even because it is much better for the environment; I will be filling up with Ethanol because I no longer want to send my money to the Persian Gulf. I'll send my money to our farmers instead. Corn growers, as it turns out, are not so prone to extremism. We have had decades of talk. It is now time to act in the best interests of our country.
August 10, 200618 yr "Corn growers, as it turns out, are not so prone to extremism," she wrote in her weekly column. Um, Terry Nichols? By the way, I try to buy gas from Citgo whenever possible (even though they're pulling out of central-ohio). In most cases, their crude comes from Venezuala. I think if you're going to support an oilogarchy*, you might as well shop local, hemispherically-speaking. * Did I just coin a word?
August 10, 200618 yr Wulsin said that if she's elected, she'll ride her bicycle. If I'm elected, I'll walk!
August 10, 200618 yr Wulsin said that if she's elected, she'll ride her bicycle. If I'm elected, I'll walk! If I'm elected, I ain't doing sh*t.
August 10, 200618 yr Author ^Sounds like our current state representatives in Washington DC. If the other two were walking or riding a bicycle then at least they would be doing something! :laugh:
August 10, 200618 yr What I want to know is where have elected representatives like Schmidt been all this time? Pardon me for being a bit cynical, but talk about a thinly-veiled play for votes. What has she done to advance legislation to advance improved mass transit, passenger rail, bikeways and pedestrian accomodations? What has she done to create a better energy policy than what we have now, which is pretty feeble.
August 10, 200618 yr What I want to know is where have elected representatives like Schmidt been all this time? Pardon me for being a bit cynical, but talk about a thinly-veiled play for votes. What has she done to advance legislation to advance improved mass transit, passenger rail, bikeways and pedestrian accomodations? What has she done to create a better energy policy than what we have now, which is pretty feeble. What have the Jean Schmidts done for sustainable transportation? My (cynical) guess is nothing. If there weren't a connection between terrorism and oil, they'd have no position on green technologies whatsoever, which is exactly the position she (they) had a year ago, long after The President of the United States declared in his State of the Union Address: "I'm determined that the United States will remain the strongest of all nations, but our power will never be used to initiate a threat to the security of any nation or to the rights of any human being. We seek to be and to remain secure--a nation at peace in a stable world. But to be secure we must face the world as it is. ...basic developments have helped to shape our challenges: ...the overwhelming dependence of the Western democracies on oil supplies from the Middle East; and the press of social and religious and economic and political change in the many nations of the developing world..." That address was delivered on January 23, 1980, and that president was Jimmy Carter.
August 10, 200618 yr Schmidt's actually been a supporter of alternative fuels all along...at least as far back as when she first ran against Paul Hackett, which is when I first heard of her. http://www.communitypress.com/CommunityPress/Elections.asp?pageType=Endorsement She also talks about the Eastern Corridor, but I don't know if that's just the asphalt portion of it, or the light rail part as well...
August 10, 200618 yr ^Then this makes her current tactics even sadder. The closest she comes to the big transportation picture in her press release is "For decades we have heard the virtues of mass transit and alternative sources of energy." Which she immediately undercuts with: "Those virtues now include our national security." Like this is somehow news. Well, I guess it is news. Sexier news than mass transit. Again, Jean: January 23, 1980.
August 11, 200618 yr I'm on her mailing list - here's her message: RV this makes some sense since she disgraces Ohio every day in DC
August 11, 200618 yr When will politicians take a real stand against our car culture of death™? (I coined and trademarked that mutha!)
August 11, 200618 yr Dammit, one person came up with it before me. http://mblog.lib.umich.edu/autoabstain/ Funny shirt, though.
January 2, 201411 yr Appears the Butler County GOP has found a way to cut spending - don't pay the rent... http://cincinnati.com/blogs/politics/2014/01/02/butler-county-gop-sued-for-back-rent/
January 2, 201411 yr They are probably waiting for welfare to be cut so it can be applied to their rent. Or maybe Cranley promised he'd pay it when he cranceled the streetcar.
January 6, 20232 yr Alex Triantafilou elected Ohio Republican chairman Hamilton County Republican Chairman Alex Triantafilou is getting a promotion. The state GOP's central committee elected Triantafilou as the Ohio party chairman Friday afternoon. Triantafilou, an attorney at downtown law firm Dinsmore & Shohl, has been Hamilton County Republican chairman since 2008. He has spent the last month crisscrossing Ohio, trying to secure the votes he needed for the statewide job. The local party must now pick a replacement. More below: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2023/01/06/alex-triantafilou-elected-ohio-republican-chairman.html "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
February 25, 20232 yr but but muh illegals! Ohio’s Jim Jordan tries to stage an immigration stunt but comes up empty: Today in Ohio Published: Feb. 24, 2023, 11:43 a.m. By Staff reports CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan led a convoy of congressional Republicans, staffers and reporters into a desolate area of Arizona this week to try to catch illegal border crossers in action. But the group saw none of the 4,000 immigrants they were told cross the border in that location each day. We’re talking about Jordan’s ridiculous immigration stunt and how it backfired on Today in Ohio. more: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/ohios-jim-jordan-tries-to-stage-an-immigration-stunt-but-comes-up-empty-today-in-ohio.html
February 25, 20232 yr 37 minutes ago, mrnyc said: but but muh illegals! Ohio’s Jim Jordan tries to stage an immigration stunt but comes up empty: Today in Ohio Published: Feb. 24, 2023, 11:43 a.m. By Staff reports CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan led a convoy of congressional Republicans, staffers and reporters into a desolate area of Arizona this week to try to catch illegal border crossers in action. But the group saw none of the 4,000 immigrants they were told cross the border in that location each day. We’re talking about Jordan’s ridiculous immigration stunt and how it backfired on Today in Ohio. more: https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/ohios-jim-jordan-tries-to-stage-an-immigration-stunt-but-comes-up-empty-today-in-ohio.html He made such a splash about it that the cartels got word. That's Jim. He loves to grandstand.
February 25, 20232 yr 32 minutes ago, E Rocc said: He made such a splash about it that the cartels got word. That's Jim. He loves to grandstand. oh that jim, he just loves his grandstanding -- completely harmless! and of course because everybody knows who jordan is you have a link from cartel.mx to confirm they "got word" ... or was that intel from one of your unlinkable dark web 'sources'?
February 25, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, E Rocc said: He made such a splash about it that the cartels got word. That's Jim. He loves to grandstand. In all fairness, Jim Jordan couldn't spot a sexual predator in his own locker room. There's no reason to expect he'd be able to track down coyotes in the desert.
February 25, 20232 yr 15 minutes ago, X said: In all fairness, Jim Jordan couldn't spot a sexual predator in his own locker room. There's no reason to expect he'd be able to track down coyotes in the desert. 👏
March 9, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Boomerang_Brian said: If you pay more in taxes, it is common sense that you would see a larger tax cut in dollars than someone who pays less tax. It still means that the wealthy are still paying the lions share of taxes in Ohio. I hate when people act like these numbers are something more than they are and misrepresent them as some windfall to the rich which it isn't
March 9, 20232 yr The Ohio GOP is a modern day crime syndicate: Guilty: Former Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder, ex-Ohio GOP chairman Matt Borges convicted in $60M bribery scheme https://www.cleveland.com/open/2023/03/guilty-former-ohio-house-speaker-larry-householder-ex-ohio-gop-chairman-matt-borges-convicted-in-60m-bribery-scheme.html Please keep the both sides argument out of this one, it's embarrassing to those of us with a brain.
March 9, 20232 yr 52 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: Guilty: Former Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder, Housholder is a crook and always known as corrupt. He was elected by the people in his county but the GOP did not like him nor trust him. It is important to remember that the only reason why he was speaker was because the majority of votes he received were from Democrats who voted for him and not the Republicans. So when the speaker was arrested, he was only in that position because of the Democrats who put him there.
March 9, 20232 yr 59 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: Please keep the both sides argument out of this one, it's embarrassing to those of us with a brain. 5 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Housholder is a crook and always known as corrupt. He was elected by the people in his county but the GOP did not like him nor trust him. It is important to remember that the only reason why he was speaker was because the majority of votes he received were from Democrats who voted for him and not the Republicans. So when the speaker was arrested, he was only in that position because of the Democrats who put him there. lol
March 9, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Housholder is a crook and always known as corrupt. He was elected by the people in his county but the GOP did not like him nor trust him. It is important to remember that the only reason why he was speaker was because the majority of votes he received were from Democrats who voted for him and not the Republicans. So when the speaker was arrested, he was only in that position because of the Democrats who put him there. Please stop acting like the majority (and base) of the gop isn’t hell bent on doing whatever to secure power. If it’s not things like this, it’s political violence, coups, screaming election fraud for every race they don’t win (even if others in gop on the same exact ballot win). This is the MTG party not the mitt Romney party and Ohio is no exception. Please don’t try to wash your hands and draw a line. They support mass income inequality, self segregation in schools, communities, etc, they are anti woman/lgbtq, and I can go on. But please go on to name one time trickle down economics has ever worked.
March 9, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, ryanlammi said: lol 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: Please keep the both sides argument out of this one, it's embarrassing to those of us with a brain. it is the truth that he was only speaker because of a majority of Democrats who voted for him. If it were up to the state GOP, Householder would have been just another member in the legislature without the power of the speaker gavel. So yeah, the Dems have blood on their hands in this one too.
March 9, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: The Ohio GOP is a modern day crime syndicate: Guilty: Former Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder, ex-Ohio GOP chairman Matt Borges convicted in $60M bribery scheme https://www.cleveland.com/open/2023/03/guilty-former-ohio-house-speaker-larry-householder-ex-ohio-gop-chairman-matt-borges-convicted-in-60m-bribery-scheme.html Please keep the both sides argument out of this one, it's embarrassing to those of us with a brain. There you go again.....as if we aren't in Cuyahoga County. Oh yeah, the majority party up here is squeaky clean and always has been.
March 9, 20232 yr Because the US Dems (which policy wise are very moderate on a global scale compared to other democracies) stormed the capitol. It’s MTG and tuckers party now. Look how at Vance’s progression.
March 9, 20232 yr 2 minutes ago, Clefan14 said: Please stop acting like the majority (and base) of the gop isn’t hell bent on doing whatever to secure power. If it’s not things like this, it’s political violence, coups, screaming election fraud for every race they don’t win (even if others in gop on the same exact ballot win). This is the MTG party not the mitt Romney party and Ohio is no exception. Please don’t try to wash your hands and draw a line. They support mass income inequality, self segregation in schools, communities, etc, they are anti woman/lgbtq, and I can go on. But please go on to name one time trickle down economics has ever worked. I think you are painting a caricature that you get watching MSNBC or some other cable news program. There are certainly bad eggs in the GOP just like there are a lot of bad eggs in the Dem party too. Householder was certainly a bad egg. Most of his GOP colleagues saw him as that. They cant do anything about his election to the legislature though, he comes from a small town and if the people of that town choose him against the wishes of the state party, there is nothing they can do about that. HOWEVER they can try and keep him from power, and they worked to keep him from the speaker's gavel. It was only because a majority of Democrats in the legislature that he was able to ascend to the speakership. Just like it is Democrats that give money to people like MTG or other fringe candidates in hopes that they will beat the "Normal" candidate in the primary and knock them out. So please stop acting like the Democratic party cares about anything more than securing power too, because based on their actions, they don't.
March 9, 20232 yr 1 minute ago, Clefan14 said: Because the US Dems (which policy wise are very moderate on a global scale compared to other democracies) stormed the capitol. It’s MTG and tuckers party now. Look how at Vance’s progression. Time to quit watching cable news. It poisons people's brains, no matter what side you watch.
March 9, 20232 yr 25 minutes ago, E Rocc said: There you go again.....as if we aren't in Cuyahoga County. Oh yeah, the majority party up here is squeaky clean and always has been. There you go again, unable to decipher mountains from mole hills.
March 9, 20232 yr 30 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: it is the truth that he was only speaker because of a majority of Democrats who voted for him. If it were up to the state GOP, Householder would have been just another member in the legislature without the power of the speaker gavel. So yeah, the Dems have blood on their hands in this one too. I'm not sure I see the relevance here. First Energy didn't spend $60M to not get Householder elected Speaker.... Householder is the one who took the bribe and got other Republicans elected. It was Republicans that were in the majority that passed HB6. It continues to be Republicans that are in the majority that refuse to repeal the corrupt bill. And it took Republicans almost a year after the indictment to expel Householder from the House... The Ohio Democratic party has its own faults, but these are the kind of problems you get with single party rule. This would have happened, with or without Democratic participation.
March 9, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Time to quit watching cable news. It poisons people's brains, no matter what side you watch. 35 minutes ago, E Rocc said: There you go again.....as if we aren't in Cuyahoga County. Oh yeah, the majority party up here is squeaky clean and always has been. “Both-sidesism” does not belong in an honest discussion of politics and media propaganda. People on the right are simply more likely to fall for fake news than those on the left, the research shows, and for a number or reasons.
March 9, 20232 yr "So when the speaker was arrested, he was only in that position because of the Democrats who put him there." Edited March 9, 20232 yr by Clefan98
March 9, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, Luke_S said: I'm not sure I see the relevance here. First Energy didn't spend $60M to not get Householder elected Speaker.... Householder is the one who took the bribe and got other Republicans elected. It was Republicans that were in the majority that passed HB6. It continues to be Republicans that are in the majority that refuse to repeal the corrupt bill. And it took Republicans almost a year after the indictment to expel Householder from the House... The Ohio Democratic party has its own faults, but these are the kind of problems you get with single party rule. This would have happened, with or without Democratic participation. Nice, logical response to BB's red herring riddled post.
March 9, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said: If you pay more in taxes, it is common sense that you would see a larger tax cut in dollars than someone who pays less tax. It still means that the wealthy are still paying the lions share of taxes in Ohio. I hate when people act like these numbers are something more than they are and misrepresent them as some windfall to the rich which it isn't Wealthy people benefit FAR more from government spending and infrastructure, it is common sense that you would see wealthy people pay a higher tax rate than poor people who benefit less from government spending. It still means that wealthy people in this country (and state) are getting the better end of the bargain - the opportunity to get extremely wealthy while having to pay less of their income in taxes than other income groups. I hate it when people act like wealthy people (and companies) aren't extremely dependent on government spending and public works to have generated that wealth in the first place; thus misrepresenting who is the biggest beneficiaries of government spending really are. When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
March 9, 20232 yr 11 minutes ago, Luke_S said: I'm not sure I see the relevance here. First Energy didn't spend $60M to not get Householder elected Speaker.... Householder is the one who took the bribe and got other Republicans elected. It was Republicans that were in the majority that passed HB6. You are conflating HB6 and Householder when they are 2 different things. Yes, he obviously had the GOP caucus push it over the line, but that is a separate issue than the fact that the guy was corrupt. The bigger issue is Householder was known in the GOP as corrupt. There are other corrupt politicians. The unfortunate thing about elections is that it makes it hard to get rid of them. You have to deal with them. Just because the state GOP did not like Householder does not mean they can expel him from the party. He won his election and is entitled to be there as representative of the people. However, what they can do is not work to promote him for leadership. That is what they were doing. Now he had a few allies in the party but not enough to get elected speaker. Without speaker, he does not control the gavel and cannot peddle the influence to pass HB6 or other legislation that he championed. When it came time to elect speaker, the GOP caucus was fractured (similar to this past year). The majority of the members of the GOP caucus did not want Householder to be speaker while a small minority did. Even though the Dems are the minority party, they can still vote for speaker. The majority of Dems (sans Brigid Kelly and a few others with scruples) voted for Householder for speaker to give him the gavel despite the majority of Republicans who were against it. So that is why the Democrats share the responsibility for putting him in power. 21 minutes ago, Luke_S said: nd it took Republicans almost a year after the indictment to expel Householder from the House... Separate issue. Householder has due process rights. It is not a simple process to expel someone. He did not have many defenders when he got indicted, and remember the Dems have a vote too. They could have stonewalled the process. 22 minutes ago, Luke_S said: The Ohio Democratic party has its own faults, but these are the kind of problems you get with single party rule. This would have happened, with or without Democratic participation. But his acension into the speakership was because of the Ohio Democratic party. If the GOP got to choose alone, he never would have been there. This is an important fact.
March 9, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, Clefan98 said: Nice, logical response to BB's red herring riddled post. So explain to me how the Dems dont share any responsibility for Householder being speaker of the house when more Dems voted for him to become speaker than members of his own party. If the GOP voted to elect him speaker then it is all on the GOP, but he only had a minority of Republican votes. If Republicans were votingsolely for speaker, then your argument has merit, but the fact is that if it were not for a majority of the Democratic caucus, Householder would never have become speaker. If it were up to the GOP, Householder is never speaker. So, no the Democrats cannot claim purity in this entire event, they are just as responsible. In fact, they are 50% responsible because they gave him 50% of his votes for speaker https://www.cleveland.com/politics/2019/01/larry-householder-elected-ohio-house-speaker.html
March 9, 20232 yr What about Matt Borges who was the former Chair of the Republican party? Did the Democrats put him in his position. What about former Republican Housed speaker Cliff Rosenberger who had to resign under an FBI investigation back in 2018? Househoulder was speaker 2 times. The first time he received a majority Republican votes. The second time the Democrats voted for him because they have next to no political power in this state because of severe gerrymandering. Househoulder promised them he was not going to try and ram thru a Right to Work bill so the Democrats held their noses and voted for him. Househoulder still needed and received as many Republican votes to become speaker. Blaming this on the Democrats take a lot of mental gymnastics here.
March 9, 20232 yr Larry Householder & Matt Borges Found Guilty of Racketeering After more than nine hours of deliberation, a jury on Thursday found former Ohio House Speaker Larry Householder and state Republican Chairman Matt Borges guilty of felony racketeering charges in connection with a billion-dollar utility bailout that was passed in 2019. Both men face maximum sentences of 20 years. U.S. District Judge Timothy Black will schedule a sentencing hearing shortly. Householder and Borges were accused of playing different roles in what former U.S. Attorney David DeVillers said it was likely the biggest bribery and money laundering scandal in Ohio history. More below: https://columbusunderground.com/larry-householder-matt-borges-found-guilty-of-racketeering-ocj1/ "You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers
March 9, 20232 yr 8 minutes ago, fcb43215 said: Blaming this on the Democrats take a lot of mental gymnastics here. I am not just blaming the dems. there are just as many GOP members with the blood on their hands. 26 GOP members voted for him too. 26 Dems voted for him. All 52 of these members have blood on their hands and are responsible. It is not a GOP or Dem thing. There are a lot of corrupt politicians and they cant shield behind the cloak of one party. 10 minutes ago, fcb43215 said: What about Matt Borges who was the former Chair of the Republican party? Borges was corrupt too. He clearly was in Householder's back pocket, and going to jail because of it. Corrupt officials do not wear GOP or Dem stripes. Borges lost his position in the GOP before the whole Householder thing happened. Back in 2019 he was not in charge of the party, but certainly was peddling influence. 12 minutes ago, fcb43215 said: The first time he received a majority Republican votes. Yes he did, and then they learned he was a scumbag. He would have never got the pwoer back without majority Dem support. So no, not letting Democrats off the hook here.
March 9, 20232 yr 7 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: You are conflating HB6 and Householder when they are 2 different things. Yes, he obviously had the GOP caucus push it over the line, but that is a separate issue than the fact that the guy was corrupt. Yes, Householder was corrupt, its why First Energy colluded with him on this entire bribery scheme. I am not conflating two disparate issues, they are directly linked as evidenced by the conviction of Householder today. HB6 got First Energy their $1B bailout which is what they spend the $60M in bribes on. 10 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: The bigger issue is Householder was known in the GOP as corrupt. There are other corrupt politicians. The unfortunate thing about elections is that it makes it hard to get rid of them. You have to deal with them. Just because the state GOP did not like Householder does not mean they can expel him from the party. He won his election and is entitled to be there as representative of the people. However, what they can do is not work to promote him for leadership. That is what they were doing. Now he had a few allies in the party but not enough to get elected speaker. Without speaker, he does not control the gavel and cannot peddle the influence to pass HB6 or other legislation that he championed. When it came time to elect speaker, the GOP caucus was fractured (similar to this past year). The majority of the members of the GOP caucus did not want Householder to be speaker while a small minority did. Even though the Dems are the minority party, they can still vote for speaker. The majority of Dems (sans Brigid Kelly and a few others with scruples) voted for Householder for speaker to give him the gavel despite the majority of Republicans who were against it. So that is why the Democrats share the responsibility for putting him in power. Sure, Democrats could have, and probably should have, not voted for a speaker and let Republicans eat themselves, but it was only a small majority of Republicans that didn't want Householder (34-26), and its not like he won with more Democratic support than Republican support (26). Also, and again, First Energy's entire effort was to get Householder elected speaker. Given the pressure campaigns they conducted against the repeal efforts they likely would have twisted some Republican arms, or paid off more Republicans than they already had, to get their guy in the Speaker's chair. 16 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: Separate issue. Householder has due process rights. It is not a simple process to expel someone. He did not have many defenders when he got indicted, and remember the Dems have a vote too. They could have stonewalled the process. Yes, he had due process rights... in court. The House can choose to expel members as they see fit. I would think the largest bribery scheme in the state's history would fit... If he was as unpopular as you say I would have thought the other Republicans in the House would have jumped at a legitimate opportunity to be rid of him. 20 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said: But his acension into the speakership was because of the Ohio Democratic party. If the GOP got to choose alone, he never would have been there. This is an important fact. It is just not a fact that he "never would have been there" if Democrats didn't vote for him. You might believe that to be true, but it does not make it so.
March 9, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Luke_S said: Yes, he had due process rights... in court. The House can choose to expel members as they see fit. I would think the largest bribery scheme in the state's history would fit... If he was as unpopular as you say I would have thought the other Republicans in the House would have jumped at a legitimate opportunity to be rid of him. Not quite. There is a process for kicking someone out of office. It is not as simple as a group of people saying he is done once indicted. You still have to respect the fact he was an elected officeholder through the process and that the people chose to elect him. There is a lot of administrative work to kick him out. Not a simple process. 6 minutes ago, Luke_S said: It is just not a fact that he "never would have been there" if Democrats didn't vote for him. You might believe that to be true, but it does not make it so. You seem to want to keep glossing over the fact that he never would have been speaker without Dem votes. He had 26 Dems vote for him to put him over the top. You may want to believe it true that the GOP is solely corrupt and Dems have no blame for the Householder mess but the facts do not line up to the narrative you want to believe. Facts are facts, and the fact is that he needed strong support from the democratic caucus to put him over the top. There were some bold Dems that broke with their caucus because they knew he was corrupt but they risked the punishment from Dem leadership by voting against Householder. The fact is that the minority leadership whipped their members into voting for Householder to elect him speaker. While you may not want to believe it, the facts are undisputable.
March 9, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: “Both-sidesism” does not belong in an honest discussion of politics and media propaganda. It most certainly does belong. The fact that you don't like it sounds like you don't want your side held to the same standards as the other. To be honest, I can understand why.
March 9, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Clefan98 said: There you go again, unable to decipher mountains from mole hills. The Russo-Dimora case was a "mole hill"? The stuff that went on while Budish was ostensibly in charge? Okay.
