September 15, 20231 yr There's many genres of rock - they can bring in indie rockers, jam band rockers, heavy metal rockers (every year it seems like someone gets snubbed), punk rockers, and so on. They need to catch up with some of the genres and that would definitely pick ppl up.
September 15, 20231 yr 30 minutes ago, cadmen said: I guess l'm kinda getting used to it. Time has a way of doing that. Besides, the original design makes it practically impossible to seamlessly add an addition. A potentially bigger issue is having the Rock Hall becoming obsolete. Its only real audience are aging Boomers. When the idea of a museum dedicated to rock was first broached the music was still current. I don't think that's the case anymore. Are Gen X. Gen Z etc. really interested in rock? And since there aren't really any new rock bands at the rate of inductions how many are there left who warrant getting in? Seems like we'll run out of contenders soon enough. Maybe the answer is to just call it a music museum so the genres can be expanded. I can’t think of too many ways to usher it in to being obsolete, other than: 1. Destroying the look and feel of the original building. Just the look and scale of the building tell you you’re at an important place. And you’ll see that every time you drive by it, with people taking pictures of it in their background. 2. Call it the Music Museum.
September 15, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, cadmen said: I guess l'm kinda getting used to it. Time has a way of doing that. Besides, the original design makes it practically impossible to seamlessly add an addition. A potentially bigger issue is having the Rock Hall becoming obsolete. Its only real audience are aging Boomers. When the idea of a museum dedicated to rock was first broached the music was still current. I don't think that's the case anymore. Are Gen X. Gen Z etc. really interested in rock? And since there aren't really any new rock bands at the rate of inductions how many are there left who warrant getting in? Seems like we'll run out of contenders soon enough. Maybe the answer is to just call it a music museum so the genres can be expanded. The rock hall has certainly been a great attraction for Cleveland since it opened, but you hit on one of my concerns which makes me wonder if this expansion is really necessary. In 20 or 30 years, will visitors still be flocking to the rock hall in the same numbers as they are now? Will future generations really care to see outfits worn by Elvis or the Beatles or see lyrics scribbled on napkins? Rock has splintered into so many different sub-genres over the last few decades. The inductions are getting a bit silly as they now include hip-hoppers, country performers and others that are not associated with rock and roll. And do they really need to induct a dozen or so performers every year? Perhaps eliminating the hall of fame and induction aspect and just transforming it into a pop music museum might be a good idea. That would eliminate the resentment every time the induction ceremonies are not held in Cleveland. Edited September 15, 20231 yr by LibertyBlvd
September 15, 20231 yr I’m part of the problem, in that I went in when I first moved here. Thought it was ‘ok’ and have never been back, other than to see my son drum in a concert on the auditorium stage one time. For me, it just doesn’t cover enough of what I’m into, which is much more alternative, for want of a better expression. For example, I went to see Melvins at the Beachland last night and they’re not going to get in the hall anytime soon, plus the general concept of a ‘hall of fame’ anyway does go against my personal sensibilities around what music should be for. The ‘museum’ aspect of it is just going to grow as the original concept ages and that’s where its future lies. My hovercraft is full of eels
September 15, 20231 yr it's also pretty superficial in its presentation. they're more interested as rock as a cultural phenomenon rather than rock as a form of artistic expression. also a conspicuous lack of Dylan in their exhibit. I'm not convinced their leadership runs a great museum, but I'm happy to see them continue to invest in the project and I'm glad they partner with tri-c for their archives. it's also tough because the building was clearly not designed with function/flow as a priority and the rock hall is always trying to figure out how to use the space. Edited September 15, 20231 yr by Whipjacka
September 15, 20231 yr 6 hours ago, dave2017 said: I know there will be accommodations for people with disabilities, it's just funny to me that there was a conscious decision to put someone in a wheelchair at the bottom of this giant and grand staircase in the promo photos.
September 15, 20231 yr 4 hours ago, cadmen said: I guess l'm kinda getting used to it. Time has a way of doing that. Besides, the original design makes it practically impossible to seamlessly add an addition. A potentially bigger issue is having the Rock Hall becoming obsolete. Its only real audience are aging Boomers. When the idea of a museum dedicated to rock was first broached the music was still current. I don't think that's the case anymore. Are Gen X. Gen Z etc. really interested in rock? And since there aren't really any new rock bands at the rate of inductions how many are there left who warrant getting in? Seems like we'll run out of contenders soon enough. Maybe the answer is to just call it a music museum so the genres can be expanded. Disagree strongly. A museum about everything is a museum about nothing. I also don't think that the (alleged) fading cultural significance of rock and roll decreases the need for a museum or a hall of Fame. Rock and Roll had (and has) huge cultural impact, including and beyond modern music. The Rock Hall's biggest problem is that it's already attempting to cover far too much (and it really lacks the space to do it, hence need for expansion). I'd prefer to see the Rock Hall be more like the Country Hall of Fame. The Country Hall of Fame knows what it is, and is a bit more music focused. Rock and Roll is already a big topic to make a museum about, and popular music is absurdly broad. A museum is supposed to tell a story, Rock and Roll has a fairly cohesive story up through the Beatles, it fractures after that, but the influences are still audible. And at a certain point you're just comparing apples to oranges. There's distinct markets for music (despite a fair bit of blending in modern times), Saying Brad Paisley is worse than Metallica, or Simon and Garfunkel, or Weird Al, isn't a particularly meaningful statement, as they aren't really trying to do the same thing.
September 15, 20231 yr I agree that a museum based on Rock made perfect sense. But in one way it's becoming obsolete almost overnight. I'd love to see the marketing research the Hall does on the demographics of present visitors and expected future visitors. If they still see interest from non Boomers then great. Problem solved. But if that's not the case then they'll have to pivot to remain relevant as an attraction. If nothing else they'll have to do something about new inductees because at some point relatively soon the old rockers are either already in or don't warrant induction and there just aren't enough new artists playing rock and roll. That's why l suggested broadening the focus.
September 15, 20231 yr 1 hour ago, cadmen said: I agree that a museum based on Rock made perfect sense. But in one way it's becoming obsolete almost overnight. I'd love to see the marketing research the Hall does on the demographics of present visitors and expected future visitors. If they still see interest from non Boomers then great. Problem solved. But if that's not the case then they'll have to pivot to remain relevant as an attraction. If nothing else they'll have to do something about new inductees because at some point relatively soon the old rockers are either already in or don't warrant induction and there just aren't enough new artists playing rock and roll. That's why l suggested broadening the focus. If you think Rock is a boomer thing, you’re gravely mistaken. I’m a millennial. (Barely). I grew up to Metallica, AC/DC…. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Smashing Pumpkins, and the like blew up when I was in high school. My generation loves rock. It’s not even close to becoming obsolete.
September 16, 20231 yr Also the Hall has made sure to honor hip hop which should help it stay relevant longer even if Rock's popularity somehow drops off of a cliff. It's not like the Hall prevents other more genre-specific Halls from existing.
September 16, 20231 yr 5 hours ago, cadmen said: If nothing else they'll have to do something about new inductees because at some point relatively soon the old rockers are either already in or don't warrant induction and there just aren't enough new artists playing rock and roll. That's why l suggested broadening the focus. The rock hall really shouldn't be inducting as many performers every year. That was fine in the rock hall's early years since they had to play "catch up". But now, they are including performers that are probably not worthy.
December 28, 20231 yr Construction fencing is up for the Rock ‘n’ Roll Hall of Fame expansion. Practical upshot is that the northern sidewalk of Alfred Lerner way is now closed between the Rock Hall and GLSC and the walkway around the back of the Rock Hall to the GLSC is also fenced off, so you’ll need to use the new bridge to traverse the harbor. My hovercraft is full of eels
March 12, 20241 yr Inspired a lunch walk down there (side note, they're also jackhammering the stadium ramps right now).
March 15, 20241 yr Always love seeing the city from the ROHF/Science Center. - it really looks very modern from that perspective. Wish there was just a little more in the way of a "boardwalk vibe" down there. It would probably be a very popular walk from those attractions in the decent weather months if there was just a little in the way of small food shops and such.
March 15, 20241 yr It sure would be nice if they could do something with that ugly backside, maybe install some glass panels that light up at night. I M Pei (aka I M Well Paid) should have tweaked the design of the backside when the Rock Hall was moved from Tower City to the harbor. Edited March 15, 20241 yr by LibertyBlvd
March 15, 20241 yr The great part of this expansion will be that it will activate the harbor side of The RRHF. IM Pei's design never was designed to have activation on that side. The focus was on it's front plaza. I look forward to the finished product. Hopefully this expansion furthers the harbor's activation.
March 15, 20241 yr 46 minutes ago, dave2017 said: The great part of this expansion will be that it will activate the harbor side of The RRHF. IM Pei's design never was designed to have activation on that side. The focus was on it's front plaza. I look forward to the finished product. Hopefully this expansion furthers the harbor's activation. I really hope you're right! A lot of the renderings still seem to leave out or are ambiguous with depicting what's happening along the water.
March 15, 20241 yr I came across some new interior renderings for the expansion's interior and also included what the harbor side will loo like when completed. I really enjoy the juxtaposition of the 2 styles coming together.
March 15, 20241 yr I'm surprised that they didn't go for a larger performance space (at least it looks small to me).
March 16, 20241 yr Absolutely Foraker. That's consistently been the most overlooked and underserved aspect of the Rock Hall, IMO. Rock n Roll, even in a "museum" situation, should not be just about artifacts to look at. It should be a social, living, happening thing. And that's live music. There should routinely be concerts of importance at the Rock Hall. A venue behind the hall, on the water side, would perhaps still be possible? Think how stunning a vista that would be for the performers to have behind them (or in front of them) while playing. It would rival Red Rock Pavillion outside Colorado Springs for aesthetics. I've written about this before (you see my Avatar?) and feel strongly about it being involved in the music industry. Maybe Cleburger can weigh in. @Cleburger Edited March 16, 20241 yr by CleveFan
March 16, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, CleveFan said: Absolutely Foraker. That's consistently been the most overlooked and underserved aspect of the Rock Hall, IMO. Rock n Roll, even in a "museum" situation, should not be just about artifacts to look at. It should be a social, living, happening thing. And that's live music. There should routinely be concerts of importance at the Rock Hall. A venue behind the hall, on the water side, would perhaps still be possible? Think how stunning a vista that would be for the performers to have behind them (or in front of them) while playing. It would rival Red Rock Pavillion outside Colorado Springs for aesthetics. I've written about this before (you see my Avatar?) and feel strongly about it being involved in the music industry. Maybe Cleburger can weigh in. @Cleburger Nice idea! Also wanna mention the city angles for the NFL draft were amazing and would also serve as a worthy backdrop.
March 16, 20241 yr The second image looks like plenty of "dramatic" space that doesn't add up to a useful or memorable sense of place. LOL - Would individual seats have broken the budget on this performance place? 💰 I perceive this as a place for rock 'n roll fans, not high school football fans. 🙄 Wouldn't auditorium style seating also increase the capacity of this venue? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also - "Acoustic check please!" Edited March 16, 20241 yr by ExPatClevGuy
March 16, 20241 yr 2 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said: The second image looks like plenty of "dramatic" space that doesn't add up to a useful or memorable sense of place. LOL - Would individual seats have broken the budget on this performance place? 💰 I perceive this as a place for rock 'n roll fans, not high school football fans. 🙄 Wouldn't auditorium style seating also increase the capacity of this venue? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Also - "Acoustic check please!" Another negative post from ExPat. I’m pretty sure the people who designed this space know what they are doing because, you know, it’s a music museum.
March 17, 20241 yr 😆 I feel seen, but just partially, lol. Do bookmark and check back on the acoustics later after this room is reviewed post-construction. I'm probably wrong about half the time, but I also don't wet my pants over every airbrushed proposal flashed to the public in early stages. IMO - Early on is the time for criticism. Once things are built and done, you roll with what you get.
March 17, 20241 yr I love the design. It's perfect for people walking through the museum to stop for 10-20 minutes and listen to some small artist playing like you're at the park or something. I don't think this is meant for people to hang out all day here hence the outdoor park vibe.
April 7, 20241 yr During the Eclipse Fest…excellent event by the way. Highly recommend visiting it. Edited April 7, 20241 yr by ragarcia
April 7, 20241 yr Author 1 hour ago, ragarcia said: During the Eclipse Fest…excellent event by the way. Highly recommend visiting it. Eclipse Fest was great and I ran into @MuRrAy HiLL . Here’s my Rock Hall construction photo. oh man imagine if tomorrow’s weather is like yesterday! When is the last time I-71 turned a profit?
April 8, 20241 yr I was down there this afternoon too. So many folks taking pictures of the Long Live Rock sign. It was a fun vibe.
April 8, 20241 yr It was pretty crazy down there with all the network satellite trucks, etc. I really like when they close off Erieside to traffic. Just imagine what a land bridge and Shoreway boulevard might do to help it.
April 8, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Cleburger said: It was pretty crazy down there with all the network satellite trucks, etc. I really like when they close off Erieside to traffic. Just imagine what a land bridge and Shoreway boulevard might do to help it. Yep. We took the waterfront line from tower city and back. Was mostly full each way.
May 25, 20241 yr heck yeah I'm excited about this. This addition and the changes to the landscape will really help with cohesion with the science center and make it really feel more like one big complex
June 11, 20241 yr On 5/24/2024 at 5:17 PM, Blimp City said: Today from the Science Center... Why is this the first time I’ve seen that orange, blue, and green sign on the GLSC?
August 27, 2024Aug 27 They damn well better be throwing consistent concerts at the Rock Hall after this is all said and done.
August 28, 2024Aug 28 18 hours ago, ASP1984 said: They damn well better be throwing consistent concerts at the Rock Hall after this is all said and done. I feel like they still do concerts here and there (the most recent 'big' draw was Sleater-Kinney), but they definitely are hit and miss these days. When I first moved here in 2016 they were ripping with indie acts for cheap(!) saw Car Seat Headrest for $6, and missed out on similarly priced Lucy Dacus and Lower Dens performances. I know bands like these aren't everyone's cup of tea but it was an awesome little incubator experiment (Lucy and boygenius won a Grammy in 2024). They currently have a local bands series in addition to bringing some national acts through, but not to the extent that it seems like they used to. I guess what I'm getting at is hopefully if/when they bring acts through to the new space they're affordable and somewhat subsidized by the RRHOF - get as many ppl in the doors to experience national acts as possible, LiveNation and AEG be damned.
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