Posted May 20, 20232 yr Long overdue for this project to have its own thread Stokes West gets go-ahead By Ken Prendergast / May 19, 2023 Developers of a large apartment complex in Cleveland’s University Circle could start construction of the $40 million project before August if all goes well in the coming weeks. That optimism was earned today after City Planning Commission gave the project final approval of its new, overhauled design and a zoning change to accommodate that design. The development is different from several others nearby because it isn’t trying to brush with or break through the top of the market when it comes to rents. Instead, Stokes West intends to offer smaller, more affordable apartments, many of them already furnished for new arrivals in Cleveland and from across the world. MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2023/05/19/stokes-west-gets-go-ahead/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
May 20, 20232 yr I can't lie- I forgot all about this project! I'm glad to see it moving forward. At 7 stories, will this project bring about the crane porn that we all like to see? Edited May 20, 20232 yr by Oldmanladyluck
May 20, 20232 yr Author I doubt a tower crane will be needed for this. Smaller cranes will likely be used. "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
June 5, 20232 yr (Replying here since it has a thread now) Quote but i strongly disagree this represents anything cleveland at all as your older examples do. this development is emblematic of a wide national style of off the shelf generic apt buildings that you can find today going up in. every. freakin. city. I don’t think the design is unique to Cleveland at all, but I think cities with a large concentration of a particular style of building reflect important periods of their growth and history. Art deco architecture is not “unique” to any particular city or region, but you’ll find concentrations of it in cities from Detroit and New York to Tulsa and Miami. In each, it represents an era of prosperity and development pre-war. In the same way, I think the “five-over-ones” and modern townhomes of today will later serve as a reminder of the resurgence of urban living post-suburbanization and the shift toward health/education sector in Cleveland.
June 5, 20232 yr 5-over-1 buildings are an economical way of constructing a building. It's not reinventing something that doesn't need reworking, and presents a building type that's acceptable, marketable, and manageable - and affordable to construct. Not everything needs to be starchecture.
June 5, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, seicer said: 5-over-1 buildings are an economical way of constructing a building. It's not reinventing something that doesn't need reworking, and presents a building type that's acceptable, marketable, and manageable - and affordable to construct. Not everything needs to be starchecture. no, the tweaks i mentioned like siting are far from starchitecture or reinvention. they are building amenity and urban neighborhood friendly-checture. but the developer would have to hire an architect who does a bit more work than download this generic design off the internet for them. i mean, lets just call it what it is, it’s lazy. maybe the city needs tighter zoning or review to kick this oddly beloved of the era (?) five over one style in the arse, i dk. that said, there is nothing wrong with just ok. in fact, bring on 20 of these around town, its all about roping in the people. Edited June 5, 20232 yr by mrnyc
June 5, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, mrnyc said: no, the tweaks i mentioned like siting are far from starchitecture or reinvention. they are building amenity and urban neighborhood friendly-checture. but the developer would have to hire an architect who does a bit more work than download this generic design off the internet for them. i mean, lets just call it what it is, it’s lazy. maybe the city needs tighter zoning or review to kick this oddly beloved of the era (?) five over one style in the arse, i dk. that said, there is nothing wrong with just ok. in fact, bring on 20 of these around town, its all about roping in the people. The Wikipedia article on 5 over 1 architecture has a good summary of why they are so prevalent nowadays. TLDR: Updates to the 2000 IBC (and 2009 revision) allowed for 5 stories of flammable wood construction over one story of non-flammable (concrete). I can't find what was allowed prior to the 2000 code, but presumably it was something like 3 or fewer, and possibly didn't make the delineation between podium and wood above for fire purposes (today's code allows them to be considered separate buildings for fire purposes as long as they're properly isolated). Prior to these IBC revs basically the only way you could build structures this dense/tall was to move over to steel based construction which is more expensive (by how much is hard to tell. I've seen estimates from 0-50% more expensive after a quick google.)
August 24, 20231 yr Is anything actually happening on the site of this project? If I recall correctly, at the two Planning Commission meetings in May where the revised project plan was submitted for final approval, the presenters keep emphasizing they had to have immediate final approval so they could get shovels in the ground as soon as possible since construction costs just keep rising and rising. Edited August 24, 20231 yr by Htsguy
September 8, 20231 yr Looks like construction has begun on Stokes West!! Trailer and equipment on site and trees have been cleared sometime in the last few days. Edited September 8, 20231 yr by Down_with_Ctown
September 29, 20231 yr Three weeks later, some serious earth works have taken place! Aside from the hills of dirt above, this site looks construction ready!
October 19, 20231 yr The Stokes-West construction site, looking SE towards Stokes (on the left) and Cedar (background, top).
January 30, 20241 yr Looking northwest from the intersection of Cedar and Stokes. First floor rising on the Stokes side!
March 8, 20241 yr On 2/20/2024 at 10:36 AM, MyPhoneDead said: Oh look a baby crane. Coming to work today, I realized how bad this traffic can potentially get based off of the current road configuration .
July 12, 2024Jul 12 20 hours ago, sonisharri said: Still really excited about this one (7-11-24) Well on track to completion before the library!
July 15, 2024Jul 15 story about Stokes West, nothing new... but the councilman mentions a company that the city and Cleveland clinic are trying to get into the area but did not want to mention the name... It can't be Canon Healthcare USA because they have announced that the headquarters is coming to Cleveland...?? Quote We’ve worked hard to really work with a company that I don’t want to disclose yet that the Cleveland Clinic and the City of Cleveland that’s really working hard to entice to build a campus here,” said Griffin. https://www-cleveland19-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cleveland19.com/2024/07/15/stokes-west-housing-project-latest-east-side-rebirth/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&outputType=amp&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17210631795161&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com Edited July 15, 2024Jul 15 by lockdog post link
July 16, 2024Jul 16 ^ let’s hope its something different than canon and in addition. “build a campus” sounds major.
July 16, 2024Jul 16 21 hours ago, lockdog said: story about Stokes West, nothing new... but the councilman mentions a company that the city and Cleveland clinic are trying to get into the area but did not want to mention the name... It can't be Canon Healthcare USA because they have announced that the headquarters is coming to Cleveland...?? https://www-cleveland19-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cleveland19.com/2024/07/15/stokes-west-housing-project-latest-east-side-rebirth/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&outputType=amp&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=17210631795161&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com Thinking it might have to be a foreign company - maybe Siemans (Health). They, of course, have a US sales and service presence but not much R&D. "Campus" might be too grand a term, at least initially. Samsung might also be a possibility. Remember: It's the Year of the Snake
July 22, 2024Jul 22 Kudos to the developer for not cutting down the trees on Stokes. That is going to help the building blend better into the neighborhood.
September 16, 2024Sep 16 looks like it's topped off... more impressive in size than I thought it'd be... Edited September 16, 2024Sep 16 by lockdog
September 16, 2024Sep 16 It's imposing in person and is a surprisingly prominent addition to the UC skyline when you're driving down Cedar Hill. It's really remarkable how much this area has changed in the last ten years, and I can't wait to see the next ten.
October 4, 2024Oct 4 Apartments & townhomes rising at Skyline [insert address] Should this thread get renamed?
October 4, 2024Oct 4 3 hours ago, sonisharri said: Apartments & townhomes rising at Skyline [insert address] Should this thread get renamed? I really need one of these buildings to be teal like this when completed instead of just during construction.
October 4, 2024Oct 4 I was pretty young at the time, but I swear the old Mt Sinai on 105 and Hough was teal. Or maybe it was blue. It was quite the beacon when driving down MLK towards the Cultural Gardens, a building I looked forward to seeing. Edited October 4, 2024Oct 4 by scg80
October 5, 2024Oct 5 ^ That is my recollection as well. I'm sure someone will be able to dig up an old photo. My mom was born there. Edited October 5, 2024Oct 5 by LibertyBlvd
October 5, 2024Oct 5 30 minutes ago, LibertyBlvd said: ^ That is my recollection as well. I'm sure someone will be able to dig up an old photo. My mom was born there. I was born there as well
October 5, 2024Oct 5 Author 5 hours ago, sonisharri said: Should this thread get renamed? Done "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 5, 2024Oct 5 13 hours ago, PlanCleveland said: I really need one of these buildings to be teal like this when completed instead of just during construction. Geis design or not, it really does expand the visual boundaries of the area and will encourage others to fill in gaps - along with the new Meijer Fairfax Market.
October 31, 2024Oct 31 Author Skyline on Stokes tops out in University Circle By Ken Prendergast / October 31, 2024 A new apartment building and row of townhomes called Skyline on Stokes have taken form in Cleveland’s University Circle. The last structural features of the seven-story apartment building, formerly called Stokes West, were added and celebrated last week in a “topping-out ceremony.” MORE: https://neo-trans.blog/2024/10/31/skyline-on-stokes-tops-out-in-university-circle/ "In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage." -- John Steinbeck
October 31, 2024Oct 31 I forgot about this project; maybe because there is so much development going on in UC. Looks great! More density please.
November 27, 2024Nov 27 Walked down here the other night >> the massing is significant from the street level. With the Tudor Arms nearby, the Zulu Club and vacant parking lot across the street from this development could be an interesting location for a retail / restaurant / play with an outdoor patio etc. This little corner offers some long term potential - if we could only get a different operator for the Tudor Arms interested in restoring an actual bar and restaurant vs. whatever cafeteria they decided would suffice. Anyway. Great development.
November 28, 2024Nov 28 On 11/26/2024 at 6:50 PM, MuRrAy HiLL said: A few more angles If only the Clinic would do something with the facades of their mega-garages. What a missed opportunity. https://www.azahner.com/applications/parking-garage
January 28Jan 28 9 minutes ago, lockdog said: SOS... I turn on Cedar to go to work daily right where Stokes West is and the traffic has been a SH*T show, I only can imagine what happens when that building opens. A good problem to have I guess.
January 29Jan 29 And if that picture represents anybody’s idea of bad traffic - well, come on people..
January 29Jan 29 12 minutes ago, CleveFan said: And if that picture represents anybody’s idea of bad traffic - well, come on people.. They've never driven on the 405...at any hour of the day!
January 29Jan 29 11 hours ago, CleveFan said: And if that picture represents anybody’s idea of bad traffic - well, come on people.. I'm not referring to this picture specifically, but frequently for the past couple of weeks the traffic on Cedar has been backed up to around the UC station up to 105 and the Eastbound side has been backed up for blocks. That whole intersection from Cedar to Carnegie is a rush hour nightmare. What makes it worse is that light on Cedar is so strange with how it operates.
January 29Jan 29 13 hours ago, CleveFan said: And if that picture represents anybody’s idea of bad traffic - well, come on people.. The Cleveland definition of "bad traffic" is any traffic that requires you to travel under the speed limit for more than sixty seconds at a time.
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